Re: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second
I just put in the order for my 5 new core border routers, capable of pushing about 10Gig. Cost me $1500 each. You gotta love Linux and SuperMicro. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20100216/fcc-to-propose-faster-broadband-speeds.htm But in reality. I just spent 140K (list) today on a new border router to handle the multi gig pipes we are bringing in. This was needed to allow us to service our PRESENT bandwidth requirements. Makes me wonder what they are smoking in DC? -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WISP's are killingthemselves!!!!- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless
One thing I've always wondered is why they only want to know what areas you have customers in, not what areas you can service. -- Original Message -- From: Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:28:30 -0600 Which is probably why my state just started their own required bi-annual broadband filing report. The preferred method was census BLOCK, luckily that was optional and tract was acceptable. Hopefully it stays that way! I spent over 30 man hours (much of it after hours, and with Brian's help) getting the tract data / correct format the first time, but since we are now maintaining it I have already completed the March 1 FCC filing - took less than 1 hour! I refuse to let my brain contemplate starting from scratch again to get block level data. Nope. Not happening. Forget it. No way, (You know we're gonna have to eventually!!) Ed On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Yes there is a check box, that has been the problem with sharing the data. The FCC was even sued for a FOIA release of the From 477 data by The Center for Public Integrity in 2007. They were not required to release the information. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [mailto:khoh...@kwom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:33 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless Well, I can see how that's a problem. Is there actually a checkbox where you choose to protect or not protect your data? I don't remember that. But I haven't done the March 1 submission yet. If that's the case, and they are prohibited from sharing the data with other government entities doing broadband mapping, I don't have a solution for that. From: Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:22 AM To: Ken Hohhof ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless The biggest problem with not providing the 477 data to the state or making it available to those seeking grants, is the fact that people who file the data have checked the box that requires the FCC to protect it under NDA (Marlon do you remember this issue? As I recall you were one of the cheerleaders on that topic). The WISP's were the ones insisting that that option be available before they would file. Now the same industry it bitching about the fact that the data is not being distributed...can't have it both ways. The FCC has shared the data with NTIA and RUS and those agencies are protecting that same NDA. Those agencies are using the data to cross reference grant applications and challenges. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [mailto:khoh...@kwom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out,not looking good for Fixed Wireless Brian, this thread leaves me puzzled about a few things. 1) Why are we so worried about the US falling behind the rest of the world in broadband, while the fact that China is leaving us in the dust in high speed rail generates a mere yawn? (same with solar and wind power ... technology, manufacturing, and deployment) 2) Does anyone really believe this is about high speed pipes for telemedicine, or kids doing their homework? What is the national security issue with making sure every house is wired for 4 simultaneous streams of on-demand high definition 3D entertainment? Are we afraid of falling behind the Chinese in the couch potato race? 3) This is a census year. Why is the census not being used to get this data directly from end users? Think of the questions you could ask, not just about what speeds people have, but why they don't have higher speeds. (unavailable? too expensive? not needed? don't even have a computer? only use the Internet for texting and tweeting from their cellphone?) 4) Any other statistical survey would correct for known measurement errors. For example, by checking a sample of the data against independently obtained data known to be accurate. Or correcting for known measurement inaccuracies. Like if you know that only 10% of Amish households have phones while 90% of the general population does, you might want to multiply the Amish responses in a phone survey by 9. So if they know only 50% of WISPs are submitting Form 477, wouldn't it make sense to multiply the numbers by 2? It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be more accurate than making decisions based on clearly wrong
[WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
You raise the money. I'll do the programming. WISPA can keep the money. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
You still need power to the AP but no need to run Cat5 through a building for new locations. This takes some engineering and additional products but not hard at all. Any location under 4 APs though (should be most) you don't even need the ZoneDirector. Just the 3 APs. Cool part is, 3 APs can cover a ton of ground. We put one up and got good signal from over 3 buildings away in our business park. Very cool and inexpensive stuff. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
Also, we have a couple SPs that are using indoor wifi as an additional source of income to their existing business customers. Sell the hardware and a get monthly maintenance contract signed for $15.00 a month. Adds almost 10% profit for $200.00 T1 customers with no investment. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP You still need power to the AP but no need to run Cat5 through a building for new locations. This takes some engineering and additional products but not hard at all. Any location under 4 APs though (should be most) you don't even need the ZoneDirector. Just the 3 APs. Cool part is, 3 APs can cover a ton of ground. We put one up and got good signal from over 3 buildings away in our business park. Very cool and inexpensive stuff. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP
I keep seeing inexpensive, but the proof is in the pudding. Jeff - Could I get a quote for a dozen BG ZoneFlex 2942? Would anything be needed in addition to the APs like a controller? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: You still need power to the AP but no need to run Cat5 through a building for new locations. This takes some engineering and additional products but not hard at all. Any location under 4 APs though (should be most) you don't even need the ZoneDirector. Just the 3 APs. Cool part is, 3 APs can cover a ton of ground. We put one up and got good signal from over 3 buildings away in our business park. Very cool and inexpensive stuff. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP What about batteries? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: another interesting feature, should be the possibility to NOT use ethernet cables to build your network. In few words, there is no need to put cables to connect the AP to the switch, only power cable. This is interesting in places where ethernet cable cannot be used. Obviously, power cable is always needed. Paolo Yeah, beam forming seems like it's definitely the way to go. Greg On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: In general, the Ruckus product line is very inexpensive for access points. Plus, their beamforming technology allows their product to use about 1/2 the APs as their main competitors (Cisco...). This is accomplished because they don't use the typical omni antenna that most do. The beamforming searches out other Ruckus access points and creates a PtP link between them so the throughput and connection between APs is much greater and they can be further apart. When an omni is used to create connections between access points, they have to be placed much closer together. Not to mention the channel bonding they use for additional throughput. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP We are the highest partner with Ruckus and have a services division that has deployed tons of their APs in schools around the area. We can assist with configuration and getting anyone going with this product. -Jeff Ehman General Manager Phone: (312) 205-2509 There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Want to try a Ruckus home AP I'm thinking of trying a Ruckus home AP. I'm going to use a Mikrotik router and then the Ruckus as AP only. At the Ruckus website it seems like I'd use the MediaFlex 2835. When I Google shopping'ed this I don't get a single hit - Your search - MediaFlex 2835 - did not match any products.. Does one have to buy straight from Ruckus? There's a form to fill out for finding a big dog value-added reseller but why wouldn't they just put a list of their resellers on their site? So they can collect all my contact info and then have follow up contact? I don't like it when our relationship has to be on their terms. If I want follow-up presales communication I'll call them. It almost seems like they don't want to sell them. The more obstacles they put between me and the buy now button the less likely it is that I'm going to buy it. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Trango Fox 5300
I have 28 working pulls radio only, no poe or ps. Hit me offlist if your interested. They've being sitting around for a while, would like to get rid of them. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. Database can be .csv or MS Access, maybe more. Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:54, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. How accurate is it, though? We actually tried something similar to that, and when we started reviewing and sanity-checking its output, got maybe 50% accuracy. Nearly 100% accurate in city areas, much lower for our rural customers. I ended up having one of my techs basically re-do the whole thing by hand over the course of a couple quiet Saturdays. At that time, we had around 1000 addresses to geocode, so it was feasible, but it might not be so for larger outfits. Trust, but verify. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WISP's are killing themselves!!!!- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless
Ideally that would be the way to do it. I think the original rationale with the zip code reporting was that it did not require any broadband provider to map out their whole network with complex mapping tools. Just sending a zip code list was easier. Now that it has morphed in to a reporting requirement that you have to map or do complex queries against mapping data, they might as well ask that question. The mobile cellular carriers report tracts covered with signal not necessarily where the customers live. I wonder what they would do if you reported tracts with zero customers? Or maybe you could list yourself as a mobile broadband provider and report under those guidelines? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WISP's are killingthemselves- NewFCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless One thing I've always wondered is why they only want to know what areas you have customers in, not what areas you can service. -- Original Message -- From: Edward Spoon edsp...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:28:30 -0600 Which is probably why my state just started their own required bi-annual broadband filing report. The preferred method was census BLOCK, luckily that was optional and tract was acceptable. Hopefully it stays that way! I spent over 30 man hours (much of it after hours, and with Brian's help) getting the tract data / correct format the first time, but since we are now maintaining it I have already completed the March 1 FCC filing - took less than 1 hour! I refuse to let my brain contemplate starting from scratch again to get block level data. Nope. Not happening. Forget it. No way, (You know we're gonna have to eventually!!) Ed On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Yes there is a check box, that has been the problem with sharing the data. The FCC was even sued for a FOIA release of the From 477 data by The Center for Public Integrity in 2007. They were not required to release the information. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [mailto:khoh...@kwom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:33 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless Well, I can see how that's a problem. Is there actually a checkbox where you choose to protect or not protect your data? I don't remember that. But I haven't done the March 1 submission yet. If that's the case, and they are prohibited from sharing the data with other government entities doing broadband mapping, I don't have a solution for that. From: Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:22 AM To: Ken Hohhof ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless The biggest problem with not providing the 477 data to the state or making it available to those seeking grants, is the fact that people who file the data have checked the box that requires the FCC to protect it under NDA (Marlon do you remember this issue? As I recall you were one of the cheerleaders on that topic). The WISP's were the ones insisting that that option be available before they would file. Now the same industry it bitching about the fact that the data is not being distributed...can't have it both ways. The FCC has shared the data with NTIA and RUS and those agencies are protecting that same NDA. Those agencies are using the data to cross reference grant applications and challenges. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [mailto:khoh...@kwom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] WISP's are killing themselves- New FCC form 477 report is out,not looking good for Fixed Wireless Brian, this thread leaves me puzzled about a few things. 1) Why are we so worried about the US falling behind the rest of the world in broadband, while the fact that China is leaving us in the dust in high speed rail generates a mere yawn? (same with solar and wind power ... technology, manufacturing, and deployment) 2) Does anyone really believe this is about high speed pipes for telemedicine, or kids doing their homework? What is the national security issue with making sure every house is wired for 4 simultaneous streams of on-demand high definition 3D entertainment? Are we afraid of falling behind the
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:54, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. How accurate is it, though? We actually tried something similar to that, and when we started reviewing and sanity-checking its output, got maybe 50% accuracy. Nearly 100% accurate in city areas, much lower for our rural customers. I ended up having one of my techs basically re-do the whole thing by hand over the course of a couple quiet Saturdays. At that time, we had around 1000 addresses to geocode, so it was feasible, but it might not be so for larger outfits. Trust, but verify. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:30, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. Weird. Out of curiosity, does your area use 911 addressing? Most of our problems were with customers where the address is just a rural route, which is just about impossible to geocode (especially if there are three tracts covering the same postal route and half the addresses don't even have box numbers). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
Yes, as far as I know my entire area has 911 addressing. That would make a huge difference. David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:30, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. Weird. Out of curiosity, does your area use 911 addressing? Most of our problems were with customers where the address is just a rural route, which is just about impossible to geocode (especially if there are three tracts covering the same postal route and half the addresses don't even have box numbers). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second
We're a linux house except for the edge. While cisco may be expensive, you measure uptime in years. And a 7609-S can shuck a lot of bandwidth intelligently (as can linux). mc On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I just put in the order for my 5 new core border routers, capable of pushing about 10Gig. Cost me $1500 each. You gotta love Linux and SuperMicro. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20100216/fcc-to-propose-faster-broadband-speeds.htm But in reality. I just spent 140K (list) today on a new border router to handle the multi gig pipes we are bringing in. This was needed to allow us to service our PRESENT bandwidth requirements. Makes me wonder what they are smoking in DC? -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second
Vyatta.com (free) and also www.PFSense.org (free) both have support options. We shed our Cisco VAX 7200 - and have never looked back. Cisco are expensive - think about it. A power PC 300mhz processor - $1K for 512mb of ram for some units... vs. $2K for an 8 Core Xeon system running 2.6Ghz 2MB cache and 16GB Ram Yeah - it handles what you throw at it for sure... AND - if you do it right - you dont even need a drive! _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: We're a linux house except for the edge. While cisco may be expensive, you measure uptime in years. And a 7609-S can shuck a lot of bandwidth intelligently (as can linux). mc On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I just put in the order for my 5 new core border routers, capable of pushing about 10Gig. Cost me $1500 each. You gotta love Linux and SuperMicro. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet datatransmission speeds of 100 megabits per second http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20100216/fcc-to-propose-faster-broadband-speeds.htm But in reality. I just spent 140K (list) today on a new border router to handle the multi gig pipes we are bringing in. This was needed to allow us to service our PRESENT bandwidth requirements. Makes me wonder what they are smoking in DC? -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic field requirements. The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom DragonWave bundled cable. It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail! Thanks for the information. I've got some more reading to do before we decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote: Hello, We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any feedback from those that have deployed these. The good, bad and ugly. We have a few Horizon Compact links. They've done very well except for when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft. The DW engineer called the effect ducting. We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects, but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had. So instead of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse. So make sure you get the latest firmware if you can. We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with prices on cable length options. The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well. Something along the lines of this... http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item% 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary cables like the Air-Pair radios. What a pain in the tail... -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic field requirements. The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom DragonWave bundled cable. It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail! Thanks for the information. I've got some more reading to do before we decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote: Hello, We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any feedback from those that have deployed these. The good, bad and ugly. We have a few Horizon Compact links. They've done very well except for when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft. The DW engineer called the effect ducting. We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects, but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had. So instead of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse. So make sure you get the latest firmware if you can. We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with prices on cable length options. The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well. Something along the lines of this... http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item% 20detailitemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic field requirements. The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom DragonWave bundled cable. It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail! Thanks for the information. I've got some more reading to do before we decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote: Hello, We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any feedback from those that
[WISPA] WISPA WISP Map
Although I wasn't quite ready to make this public yet, given the discussion on the Form 477 today, I am bringing this out a little premature. I did spend a portion of the weekend developing a map of WISPA members. It can be found at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170. If you enlarge the map with the link below, please note that there are two pages..must be a google map defect. Clicking on the icon bubble will give information about each company. The color codes are as follows: Yellow - Principal Member, Blue - Associate Member, Purple - Vendor Member, I will add blue/white flags for those WISPs who are not members. I have had several requests to add additional bubbles in other service areas. I will allow 3 communities maximum at this time. Anything over three sites will have an annual fee..yet to be determined. This project is developing in to an administrative chore and maintaining records will become burdensome. Therefore, the more detail that is requested, the more we will need to charge. This was not done as a fund raiser, but I can see that the volunteer effort needed will be substantial. I am willing to take volunteer assistance if anyone wants to help out. My apologies if I have missed anyone. If you want to change your information, please send the text to rharn...@wispa.org and I will amend it. Please be patient as I may be overwhelmed. If you want your icon removed, just let me know. I will be auditing the WISPA membership roles in the next few weeks and may be removing some that have not paid their dues in quite some time. If you think you are delinquent on your dues, have not gotten an invoice or would like to join, please email bill...@wispa.org or to join, go to http://signup.wispa.org. I'm open to suggestions and I am also open to allow non-members to be added to the map. One suggestion I have thought might be great is if the icon tags would link to a coverage map of your territory. Please take a look at this promptly and check address, company name, website and phone numbers for accuracy. I can delete or add whatever information you request. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Just put a call into DragonWave Support to ask about AirPair IF cable length limitations. It'll be interesting to see how well their call center system works as compared to actually getting a live tech when calling Trango... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic field requirements. The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom DragonWave bundled cable. It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail! Thanks for the information. I've got some more reading to do before we decide on deploying these radios or just to punt
Re: [WISPA] WISPA WISP Map
Hello Rick, Maybe just running through the WISPA Principle Members list and making sure they are on your map would be a good start? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:58 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive' Subject: [WISPA] WISPA WISP Map Although I wasn't quite ready to make this public yet, given the discussion on the Form 477 today, I am bringing this out a little premature. I did spend a portion of the weekend developing a map of WISPA members. It can be found at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170. If you enlarge the map with the link below, please note that there are two pages..must be a google map defect. Clicking on the icon bubble will give information about each company. The color codes are as follows: Yellow - Principal Member, Blue - Associate Member, Purple - Vendor Member, I will add blue/white flags for those WISPs who are not members. I have had several requests to add additional bubbles in other service areas. I will allow 3 communities maximum at this time. Anything over three sites will have an annual fee..yet to be determined. This project is developing in to an administrative chore and maintaining records will become burdensome. Therefore, the more detail that is requested, the more we will need to charge. This was not done as a fund raiser, but I can see that the volunteer effort needed will be substantial. I am willing to take volunteer assistance if anyone wants to help out. My apologies if I have missed anyone. If you want to change your information, please send the text to rharn...@wispa.org and I will amend it. Please be patient as I may be overwhelmed. If you want your icon removed, just let me know. I will be auditing the WISPA membership roles in the next few weeks and may be removing some that have not paid their dues in quite some time. If you think you are delinquent on your dues, have not gotten an invoice or would like to join, please email bill...@wispa.org or to join, go to http://signup.wispa.org. I'm open to suggestions and I am also open to allow non-members to be added to the map. One suggestion I have thought might be great is if the icon tags would link to a coverage map of your territory. Please take a look at this promptly and check address, company name, website and phone numbers for accuracy. I can delete or add whatever information you request. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
I would think no BUT Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with an outdoor modem unit. The gain may be set real low and when you finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you may not work. Call tech support to find out for sure. It won't cost you anything and they will know for sure. Or send them an e-mail: supp...@dragonwaveinc.com Good Luck -B- Brad Belton wrote: Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic field requirements. The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom DragonWave bundled cable. It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom cables in a variety
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Thanks for the feedback Bob. I just emailed DragonWave Support as well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... I would think no BUT Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with an outdoor modem unit. The gain may be set real low and when you finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you may not work. Call tech support to find out for sure. It won't cost you anything and they will know for sure. Or send them an e-mail: supp...@dragonwaveinc.com Good Luck -B- Brad Belton wrote: Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up on one cable. On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Kristian, Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable. It's a shame the product engineers some manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic
Re: [WISPA] WISPA WISP Map
Brad, I created a .csv dump from the WISPA billing server and then geocoded the data to create the map. If the information is wrong in the billing server then it is wrong on the map. That is why I am encouraging everyone to check it and send me corrections. I don't want to make changes myself and then have to do it again when the member emails me with correct information. Importing the membership list was much more efficient than trying to convince everyone to put their own icon on the map. This way, there is at least some consistency in the data for each WISP. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA WISP Map Hello Rick, Maybe just running through the WISPA Principle Members list and making sure they are on your map would be a good start? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:58 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive' Subject: [WISPA] WISPA WISP Map Although I wasn't quite ready to make this public yet, given the discussion on the Form 477 today, I am bringing this out a little premature. I did spend a portion of the weekend developing a map of WISPA members. It can be found at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170. If you enlarge the map with the link below, please note that there are two pages..must be a google map defect. Clicking on the icon bubble will give information about each company. The color codes are as follows: Yellow - Principal Member, Blue - Associate Member, Purple - Vendor Member, I will add blue/white flags for those WISPs who are not members. I have had several requests to add additional bubbles in other service areas. I will allow 3 communities maximum at this time. Anything over three sites will have an annual fee..yet to be determined. This project is developing in to an administrative chore and maintaining records will become burdensome. Therefore, the more detail that is requested, the more we will need to charge. This was not done as a fund raiser, but I can see that the volunteer effort needed will be substantial. I am willing to take volunteer assistance if anyone wants to help out. My apologies if I have missed anyone. If you want to change your information, please send the text to rharn...@wispa.org and I will amend it. Please be patient as I may be overwhelmed. If you want your icon removed, just let me know. I will be auditing the WISPA membership roles in the next few weeks and may be removing some that have not paid their dues in quite some time. If you think you are delinquent on your dues, have not gotten an invoice or would like to join, please email bill...@wispa.org or to join, go to http://signup.wispa.org. I'm open to suggestions and I am also open to allow non-members to be added to the map. One suggestion I have thought might be great is if the icon tags would link to a coverage map of your territory. Please take a look at this promptly and check address, company name, website and phone numbers for accuracy. I can delete or add whatever information you request. Respectfully, Rick Harnish --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2695 - Release Date: 02/18/10 07:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Just FYI...DragonWave Support has contacted me and is already on the case. They promise an answer shortly. Certainly acceptable response time. Kudos to DragonWave! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Thanks for the feedback Bob. I just emailed DragonWave Support as well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... I would think no BUT Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with an outdoor modem unit. The gain may be set real low and when you finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you may not work. Call tech support to find out for sure. It won't cost you anything and they will know for sure. Or send them an e-mail: supp...@dragonwaveinc.com Good Luck -B- Brad Belton wrote: Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Since your unit is out of warranty anyway... If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug. We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf and peeled the power off that. We were then able to push power + ethernet up
Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
Hello Bob, DragonWave Support was very prompt and helpful. They confirmed the outdoor IDU is capable of the same IF cable lengths as the indoor IDU. However, both IDU style distances are ultimately limited by the firmware they are running. In my case about 202'. Just FYI if anyone else ever runs into this issue. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Just FYI...DragonWave Support has contacted me and is already on the case. They promise an answer shortly. Certainly acceptable response time. Kudos to DragonWave! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Thanks for the feedback Bob. I just emailed DragonWave Support as well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... I would think no BUT Keep in mind that they are expecting the cable length to be short with an outdoor modem unit. The gain may be set real low and when you finally go ahead and put 150 LMR400 in and increase the attenuation you may not work. Call tech support to find out for sure. It won't cost you anything and they will know for sure. Or send them an e-mail: supp...@dragonwaveinc.com Good Luck -B- Brad Belton wrote: Correct. I've been reading over the manuals Tom was good enough to send me. Thanks again Tom! These particular radios are only 50MB and the application is for a client looking for an alternate path from their existing 45MB DS3. In this case we're good with a 100MB cable limitation. Whenever their DS3 agreement expires we'll propose a 100MB+ circuit and likely remove the DragonWave gear for new Trango gear. It appears the Air-Pair radios will auto adjust for IF cable losses. I'm considering running 100-150' of LMR400 between the outdoor IDU and ODU on our side to eliminate us needing to source a second proprietary cable. Does anyone that has deployed DragonWave Air-Pair radios see that as a problem? Thanks! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... Brad, I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before. My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll need GigE I assume. This will require all 4 pairs for data. You'd need more cable for power. At worst you'll need two separate cables, but it's still workable. Randy On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with? It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only. If anyone has a cable they are willing to sell let me know. I think we've got one cable that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other side. Thanks! Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback... We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs. I would think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem. Randy On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Randy, Ha! Very interesting. How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side of the link? At what power level do you have the radios set to? Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way inside to the outdoor designed IDU. This would limit the length of the proprietary cables to a minimum. The question I have if we do this is: Will the outdoor IDU be able to power operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
[WISPA] FCC creating policy...
I note with some interest the note published about how these lobbying groups want the FCC to provide broadband at very high speed via policy.There's a nice menu of dreams in the article referenced...There's two kinds of people in the world.. Dreamers and doers. And some of us are a little or a lot of both.You have to dream it before you can do it, or else you are just implementing someone else's dream, which never works all that well.But, to propose dreams to people who can neither do, nor know how to do, but possess too much power already, asking them to wield more... ARRGH! Don't get me started on the vapid stupidity of it all. I note with interest that there are magic bullet prescriptions, such as tearing down the duopoly, etc, etc. The proponents of these often see specific items as the key. Yet, in real life, there isn't a single key, and the answers are a lot more complex than the dreamers like to write. So, in that realm of thought, I'd like to make my own list... Two lists, actually... First, the things that obstruct, and then, the things that could be done to help. I'm writing this as I see it, not intending to speak for all.You may wish to make your own list... But if WISPA is a lobbying organization, then we need a cohesive view of the things that obstruct OUR growth and the things we generally need. First, the obstructions I find... 1. Lack of capital.I have had only a tiny amount of credit for my entire time in business, and I'm not getting more anytime soon. Besides, DEBT isn't going to help. Whether you're buying growth out of profits... or paying debt out of profits... Debt still has to be paid, even when the cash flow has hickups, and I had a real big one about 18 months ago. 2. Public property restrictions.The inability to use public facilities - be it buildings, towers, land - is often a factor.The minimum cost for a USFS site is based on the size of your market (not who you reach, your potential), and it starts out at several times my only paid lease on private land. Cities, counties, states, have entirely inconsistent regulatory frameworks, and just locating who to reach is often a maze. Often local politics throws up barriers, as you could be an outsider to the process. 3. Regulatory fiat: Not just reporting mandates, but threatened neutrality, and other mandates present risks that make future investment harder, as margins get slimmer and costs higher per customer.Regulating your tasks. Like classifying making a network cable as a licensed position, one that requires YEARS of outside of the industry experience, and then hiring someone with a very high price tag, just to do utterly simplistic things with no valid reason to be restricted. 4. Public perceptions:Often, I've seen the only the phone and cable co are REAL broadband providers meme repeated by even my own friends who know what I do. 5. Slow technological change - especially as it concerns regulatory bodies. 6. Spectrum unavailability: Right now, I'm seeing so much noise in some places that no frequency is useable. 7. Spotty availability of hardware: This seems to be related to economic conditions, but it doesn't help, that's for sure. Importing yourself isn't THAT hard, but it's still not easy. 8. The cost of doing business. Everyone wants a chunk of your backside... State, federal, county, local, workman's comp, unemployment, insurance, and the list goes on and on. Whether you're a WISP or a used clothing store, we're all getting killed here. What could help: 1. A much faster regulatory process, one with easier public access, and more interactive. The FCC seems to talk to only the big players on their own initiative. They're in DC and only talk to who comes to DC to meet them. I certainly haven't got time, nor do hardly any of you - witness how hard it is for WISPA to get people to events and doing stuff. No fault on WISPA's or the guys who DO contribute the time... Just pointing out how isolated they are in DC from where the rubber meets the road. 2. Easy and assured access to things like utility poles and easier rules to running our own cables over public ways, etc. 3. A concerted effort by public officials to be inclusive when it comes to promoting the types of providers. Would help overcome public misperception. 4. Access to capital.This is a huge thing, and I'm not holding my breath, considering that the current government fad is to destroy any enterprise that doesn't promote specific partisan politics. It's complex, it reachs into things like securities, lending, tax policy, and a huge number of other things. And, it's as easily applied to WISP's as it is to tire shops and roofers and farmers. 5. This one's blank for the moment.How about you? What have you got? And please don't put get more taxpayer's money here.That's only
Re: [WISPA] FCC creating policy...
This is good. If you are a member, why don't you put it on the Wiki so it is easier to reference. MDK wrote: I note with some interest the note published about how these lobbying groups want the FCC to provide broadband at very high speed via policy.There's a nice menu of dreams in the article referenced...There's two kinds of people in the world.. Dreamers and doers. And some of us are a little or a lot of both.You have to dream it before you can do it, or else you are just implementing someone else's dream, which never works all that well.But, to propose dreams to people who can neither do, nor know how to do, but possess too much power already, asking them to wield more... ARRGH! Don't get me started on the vapid stupidity of it all. I note with interest that there are magic bullet prescriptions, such as tearing down the duopoly, etc, etc. The proponents of these often see specific items as the key. Yet, in real life, there isn't a single key, and the answers are a lot more complex than the dreamers like to write. So, in that realm of thought, I'd like to make my own list... Two lists, actually... First, the things that obstruct, and then, the things that could be done to help. I'm writing this as I see it, not intending to speak for all.You may wish to make your own list... But if WISPA is a lobbying organization, then we need a cohesive view of the things that obstruct OUR growth and the things we generally need. First, the obstructions I find... 1. Lack of capital.I have had only a tiny amount of credit for my entire time in business, and I'm not getting more anytime soon. Besides, DEBT isn't going to help. Whether you're buying growth out of profits... or paying debt out of profits... Debt still has to be paid, even when the cash flow has hickups, and I had a real big one about 18 months ago. 2. Public property restrictions.The inability to use public facilities - be it buildings, towers, land - is often a factor.The minimum cost for a USFS site is based on the size of your market (not who you reach, your potential), and it starts out at several times my only paid lease on private land. Cities, counties, states, have entirely inconsistent regulatory frameworks, and just locating who to reach is often a maze. Often local politics throws up barriers, as you could be an outsider to the process. 3. Regulatory fiat: Not just reporting mandates, but threatened neutrality, and other mandates present risks that make future investment harder, as margins get slimmer and costs higher per customer.Regulating your tasks. Like classifying making a network cable as a licensed position, one that requires YEARS of outside of the industry experience, and then hiring someone with a very high price tag, just to do utterly simplistic things with no valid reason to be restricted. 4. Public perceptions:Often, I've seen the only the phone and cable co are REAL broadband providers meme repeated by even my own friends who know what I do. 5. Slow technological change - especially as it concerns regulatory bodies. 6. Spectrum unavailability: Right now, I'm seeing so much noise in some places that no frequency is useable. 7. Spotty availability of hardware: This seems to be related to economic conditions, but it doesn't help, that's for sure. Importing yourself isn't THAT hard, but it's still not easy. 8. The cost of doing business. Everyone wants a chunk of your backside... State, federal, county, local, workman's comp, unemployment, insurance, and the list goes on and on. Whether you're a WISP or a used clothing store, we're all getting killed here. What could help: 1. A much faster regulatory process, one with easier public access, and more interactive. The FCC seems to talk to only the big players on their own initiative. They're in DC and only talk to who comes to DC to meet them. I certainly haven't got time, nor do hardly any of you - witness how hard it is for WISPA to get people to events and doing stuff. No fault on WISPA's or the guys who DO contribute the time... Just pointing out how isolated they are in DC from where the rubber meets the road. 2. Easy and assured access to things like utility poles and easier rules to running our own cables over public ways, etc. 3. A concerted effort by public officials to be inclusive when it comes to promoting the types of providers. Would help overcome public misperception. 4. Access to capital.This is a huge thing, and I'm not holding my breath, considering that the current government fad is to destroy any enterprise that doesn't promote specific partisan politics. It's complex, it reachs into things like securities, lending, tax policy, and a huge number of other things. And, it's as easily applied to WISP's as it is to
