Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I did not mean to sound like i was saying anything bad about MT. Their NStream simply did not work for me and I did not have time to speed weeks working it out. I love my MT firewalls. I have two issues with the setup, once a month or two, DNS 'goes loopy' and I ahve to reboot the router. This also runs my core hotspot, which reaches a point where it also is a little drunk. Both problems likely have been fixed in a newer version (this is 3.30), but if it is not too broken, do not fix it, and 3.30 was the first very stable mlppp release. I to am in love with the rockets. Airmax is a game changer. I can pull 50mb at a few miles off my main setup. That is changing what I do and where I will be going and offering. I do need to get around to snagging some M365's and free up some AP space. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I have nothing bad to say about Mikrotik as my RB1000 firewall runs without complaint. I also have a tower in the forest running an RB433AH with an XR9 radio that I never hear from. LOL, that reminds me of an old saying, only I'll amend it some: If a radio in the forest fails, does anyone hear it? For backhaul links, my RocketM5's in PTP mode (no ack) and Airmax kick butt! Best thing I ever did to my network! For AP's, just keep in mind that the M radios dont like legacy CPE. So, I continue to upgrade CPE first then the tower AP's, in that order. :) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe. I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO. I know Rocket will be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the amount of bandwidth and packets they can process. I am leaning towards MT on the links and Rocket for AP. I am concerned about the plastic cases. I really like having the boards in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well. I know I have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded. With MT I can put ethernet surge protection in the enclosure. What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and reliability of Rockets? Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks and have a great Labor Day. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
NO! I will yell the dream from every tower! I suspect they could do GPS with a multiport USB device to make the timing and have all APs sync to it. After reading a bit about the BSD TDMA software I am pretty sure this is technically possible. Not having a great in-depth understanding of the Atheros SoC's and the HAL in use, I could just be dreaming. Even if it meant a new AP, if the existing CPE worked with a firmware upgrade they would be sitting on silver plated gold (and so would the people using it). mmm, if only i had a gnu radio with a airmax load on it, I would lose my self for weeks. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: UBNT + GPS?!!! Stop it! You're making me think that there may be a brighter future after all! Shame on you for causing me to dream yet again! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti We are already there. I am firmly locked into Ubnt airmax. I tried MT's NStream, it did not work well for me. I am seeing enough 5ghz noise that I need airmax (or something like it). I was this close to going back to canopy only because I knew that while slow, it would work. If moto had wised up and dropped the price of the AP's, I would have, but they want people that are making 100 and 500 pack orders, not 10's and 20's. Mind you, I had canopy back in Nehalem days of 01. Days were good back then and got better when they fixed the NAT, added some port filters, and a few tweaks. Right till they closed the SM-- AP 'hole' in the firmware (gotta love check boxes and hidden web pages). After that it took some creative firmwares to do it, and they sniffed that one out too. Everything i've heard about Airmax says it will stand toe to toe with a canopy ap. I am glad airmax came when it did, and ubnts 900 is crazy affordable. If it works half as well in 900 as it does in 5ghz, I will have a medical condition called 'more then happy'. I have little fear that Ubnt will go away over night, or start changing the prices of gear like some vendors do, or suddenly changing the vendor/dealer relationships, or any number of other games. They just need to step up on delivery capabilities and GPS. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: What I wish is a standardized Linux TDMA mechanisim. Not airmax nor nstreame 2, a TDMA that you can use with a cross-vendor mix. Mikrotik is a (to me the only) router OS. Ubiquity is my major Wireless vendor, from CPE's to the XR2 that go in each Mikrotik AP. I really like Tranzeos as well and some have a bunch of Engenius. There has got to be away to get these vendors to one day work and make this a standard. If not all the sudden we will have a market that requires you to standardize 100% on one vendor alone. And that vendor will have you hook line and sinker (like MOTO). I like my cross vendor options. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik. We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules. That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots, with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features. As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is correct. We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have used an Orthagon (sic?) We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will frost the cake. The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't break more things than it fixes. And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed (this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking). -Original Message- Data Technology Said: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
Won't happen... at least not with the current radios. Travis Microserv On 9/3/2010 9:50 PM, Robert West wrote: UBNT + GPS?!!! Stop it! You're making me think that there may be a brighter future after all! Shame on you for causing me to dream yet again! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti We are already there. I am firmly locked into Ubnt airmax. I tried MT's NStream, it did not work well for me. I am seeing enough 5ghz noise that I need airmax (or something like it). I was this close to going back to canopy only because I knew that while slow, it would work. If moto had wised up and dropped the price of the AP's, I would have, but they want people that are making 100 and 500 pack orders, not 10's and 20's. Mind you, I had canopy back in Nehalem days of 01. Days were good back then and got better when they fixed the NAT, added some port filters, and a few tweaks. Right till they closed the SM-- AP 'hole' in the firmware (gotta love check boxes and hidden web pages). After that it took some creative firmwares to do it, and they sniffed that one out too. Everything i've heard about Airmax says it will stand toe to toe with a canopy ap. I am glad airmax came when it did, and ubnts 900 is crazy affordable. If it works half as well in 900 as it does in 5ghz, I will have a medical condition called 'more then happy'. I have little fear that Ubnt will go away over night, or start changing the prices of gear like some vendors do, or suddenly changing the vendor/dealer relationships, or any number of other games. They just need to step up on delivery capabilities and GPS. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: What I wish is a standardized Linux TDMA mechanisim. Not airmax nor nstreame 2, a TDMA that you can use with a cross-vendor mix. Mikrotik is a (to me the only) router OS. Ubiquity is my major Wireless vendor, from CPE's to the XR2 that go in each Mikrotik AP. I really like Tranzeos as well and some have a bunch of Engenius. There has got to be away to get these vendors to one day work and make this a standard. If not all the sudden we will have a market that requires you to standardize 100% on one vendor alone. And that vendor will have you hook line and sinker (like MOTO). I like my cross vendor options. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
Exactly Maybe with the M radios Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 4, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Won't happen... at least not with the current radios. Travis Microserv On 9/3/2010 9:50 PM, Robert West wrote: UBNT + GPS?!!! Stop it! You're making me think that there may be a brighter future after all! Shame on you for causing me to dream yet again! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti We are already there. I am firmly locked into Ubnt airmax. I tried MT's NStream, it did not work well for me. I am seeing enough 5ghz noise that I need airmax (or something like it). I was this close to going back to canopy only because I knew that while slow, it would work. If moto had wised up and dropped the price of the AP's, I would have, but they want people that are making 100 and 500 pack orders, not 10's and 20's. Mind you, I had canopy back in Nehalem days of 01. Days were good back then and got better when they fixed the NAT, added some port filters, and a few tweaks. Right till they closed the SM-- AP 'hole' in the firmware (gotta love check boxes and hidden web pages). After that it took some creative firmwares to do it, and they sniffed that one out too. Everything i've heard about Airmax says it will stand toe to toe with a canopy ap. I am glad airmax came when it did, and ubnts 900 is crazy affordable. If it works half as well in 900 as it does in 5ghz, I will have a medical condition called 'more then happy'. I have little fear that Ubnt will go away over night, or start changing the prices of gear like some vendors do, or suddenly changing the vendor/dealer relationships, or any number of other games. They just need to step up on delivery capabilities and GPS. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: What I wish is a standardized Linux TDMA mechanisim. Not airmax nor nstreame 2, a TDMA that you can use with a cross-vendor mix. Mikrotik is a (to me the only) router OS. Ubiquity is my major Wireless vendor, from CPE's to the XR2 that go in each Mikrotik AP. I really like Tranzeos as well and some have a bunch of Engenius. There has got to be away to get these vendors to one day work and make this a standard. If not all the sudden we will have a market that requires you to standardize 100% on one vendor alone. And that vendor will have you hook line and sinker (like MOTO). I like my cross vendor options. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
And even then, it won't be backward compatible with everything else in the field. And, you will have to set the up/down percentage, etc. just like with Canopy... it can't be a free for all and still have sync. Doesn't work like that. ;) Travis Microserv On 9/4/2010 8:29 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Exactly Maybe with the M radios Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 4, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: Won't happen... at least not with the current radios. Travis Microserv On 9/3/2010 9:50 PM, Robert West wrote: UBNT + GPS?!!! Stop it! You're making me think that there may be a brighter future after all! Shame on you for causing me to dream yet again! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti We are already there. I am firmly locked into Ubnt airmax. I tried MT's NStream, it did not work well for me. I am seeing enough 5ghz noise that I need airmax (or something like it). I was this close to going back to canopy only because I knew that while slow, it would work. If moto had wised up and dropped the price of the AP's, I would have, but they want people that are making 100 and 500 pack orders, not 10's and 20's. Mind you, I had canopy back in Nehalem days of 01. Days were good back then and got better when they fixed the NAT, added some port filters, and a few tweaks. Right till they closed the SM-- AP 'hole' in the firmware (gotta love check boxes and hidden web pages). After that it took some creative firmwares to do it, and they sniffed that one out too. Everything i've heard about Airmax says it will stand toe to toe with a canopy ap. I am glad airmax came when it did, and ubnts 900 is crazy affordable. If it works half as well in 900 as it does in 5ghz, I will have a medical condition called 'more then happy'. I have little fear that Ubnt will go away over night, or start changing the prices of gear like some vendors do, or suddenly changing the vendor/dealer relationships, or any number of other games. They just need to step up on delivery capabilities and GPS. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: What I wish is a standardized Linux TDMA mechanisim. Not airmax nor nstreame 2, a TDMA that you can use with a cross-vendor mix. Mikrotik is a (to me the only) router OS. Ubiquity is my major Wireless vendor, from CPE's to the XR2 that go in each Mikrotik AP. I really like Tranzeos as well and some have a bunch of Engenius. There has got to be away to get these vendors to one day work and make this a standard. If not all the sudden we will have a market that requires you to standardize 100% on one vendor alone. And that vendor will have you hook line and sinker (like MOTO). I like my cross vendor options. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
To each their own... we use 100% MT on our backbone (over 70 production links, some up to 73 miles). We are fully routed (even on each wireless hop), so using MT works great because I don't have to have a separate router like if I used UBNT. I have full telnet, speed test, packet sniffing, and routing protocols at EVERY wireless hop (we run OSPF). And MT didn't build the case that holds an MT radio on a UBNT dish... that's a 3rd party thing. I guess it's hilarious that UBNT made a 2ft dish because Pac Wireless has had a 2ft dish for 6+ years? :) Travis Microserv On 9/4/2010 8:17 AM, Ralph wrote: Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik. We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules. That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots, with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features. As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is correct. We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have used an Orthagon (sic?) We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will frost the cake. The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't break more things than it fixes. And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed (this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking). -Original Message- Data Technology Said: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir
Exalt - ExploreAir http://www.exaltcom.com/ExploreAir-all-outdoor-licensed.aspx Is anyone using these in a production environment that want's to share performance and reliability data? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir
Marco, I don't have experience but there is a PowerPoint presentation on the wiki from the regional meeting. Rick Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Exalt - ExploreAir http://www.exaltcom.com/ExploreAir-all-outdoor-licensed.aspx Is anyone using these in a production environment that want's to share performance and reliability data? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
Got to love this, a simple question about a comparison of 802.11n performance on the two platforms turns into a tirade of primary school 'pissing contest' ! No ONE is trying to dis any platform... and hopefully we all are mature enough to understand that ... Mikrotik is a great routing platform that can do Wireless Links, While the UBNT is a great Wireless Radios that can do some routing.. Folks that is apples and oranges Myself, I am greedy... I am looking for MORE PLATFORMS that can do 802.11n MIMO Wireless Links... I don't care if they are MADE BY UBNT or Mikrotik or Suzuki or commissioned by local WALMART I need a product line that is STABLE, Performs WELL, and Provides a good ROI. Let's get back to the ORIGINAL POINT of DISCUSSION. WHO HAS Mikrotik 802.11n Deployments, which are running STABLE (key emphasis on 802.11n), and PERFORMING WELL ? What type of Antenna's are you Using ?and is there anyone who has done some comparison on the two platforms ? Can we please have a 'To the point' discussion without the snide remarks ? Thanks Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/4/2010 11:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: To each their own... we use 100% MT on our backbone (over 70 production links, some up to 73 miles). We are fully routed (even on each wireless hop), so using MT works great because I don't have to have a separate router like if I used UBNT. I have full telnet, speed test, packet sniffing, and routing protocols at EVERY wireless hop (we run OSPF). And MT didn't build the case that holds an MT radio on a UBNT dish... that's a 3rd party thing. I guess it's hilarious that UBNT made a 2ft dish because Pac Wireless has had a 2ft dish for 6+ years? :) Travis Microserv On 9/4/2010 8:17 AM, Ralph wrote: Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik. We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules. That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots, with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features. As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is correct. We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have used an Orthagon (sic?) We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will frost the cake. The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't break more things than it fixes. And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed (this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking). -Original Message- Data Technology Said: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Over-water shots
What kind of experience does anyone here have in shooting backhaul links over water? I know that it does all sorts of nasty things to microwave propagation, but I have a large group of lakeside access points that will depend on backhaul being delivered from across the lake, about 10-15 miles. For the most part we're high enough so that the surface of the water is beyond the second fresnel zone, often beyond the third. This is at 5.8 GHz. Specifically, Should I expect that ducting and other lake effects will knock them all out at once, or will it help a lot that the lake shore units mesh with each other? Will having two backhaul antennas on the tower five feet vertically separated help, or will both paths usually go out at once? (I'm thinking that some weird reflection issues will hit different heights at different times.) Horizontal polarization is said to work better over water. So is it crazy to try a dual-polarization MIMO link? Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I like MT for APs but Ubnt for CPEs and ptp. On Sep 4, 2010 11:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Got to love this, a simple question about a comparison of 802.11n performance on the two platforms turns into a tirade of primary school 'pissing contest' ! No ONE is trying to dis any platform... and hopefully we all are mature enough to understand that ... Mikrotik is a great routing platform that can do Wireless Links, While the UBNT is a great Wireless Radios that can do some routing.. Folks that is apples and oranges Myself, I am greedy... I am looking for MORE PLATFORMS that can do 802.11n MIMO Wireless Links... I don't care if they are MADE BY UBNT or Mikrotik or Suzuki or commissioned by local WALMART I need a product line that is STABLE, Performs WELL, and Provides a good ROI. Let's get back to the ORIGINAL POINT of DISCUSSION. WHO HAS Mikrotik 802.11n Deployments, which are running STABLE (key emphasis on 802.11n), and PERFORMING WELL ? What type of Antenna's are you Using ?and is there anyone who has done some comparison on the two platforms ? Can we please have a 'To the point' discussion without the snide remarks ? Thanks Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/4/2010 11:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: To each their own... we use 100% MT on our backbone... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Over-water shots
We have three shots across the same Estuary all around 7 miles. We see significant variances due to fading particularly during the heat of the day with no wind. On the first link I had initially tried a RocketM5 with a 25dB grid. It would fade to the point of dropping off. Once I replaced it with MIMO it's been good. AP: Ubuquity Rocket5M 90deg sector antenna Elevation ~150' ASL 0deg elevation (tilted up to compensate for downtilt) Client 1: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 40' ASL Signal varies between -50 and -75 (yes, 25dB swing) Client 2: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 200' ASL Signal varies between -55 and -60 Client 3: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 40' ASL Signal varies between -60 and -72 - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Over-water shots What kind of experience does anyone here have in shooting backhaul links over water? I know that it does all sorts of nasty things to microwave propagation, but I have a large group of lakeside access points that will depend on backhaul being delivered from across the lake, about 10-15 miles. For the most part we're high enough so that the surface of the water is beyond the second fresnel zone, often beyond the third. This is at 5.8 GHz. Specifically, Should I expect that ducting and other lake effects will knock them all out at once, or will it help a lot that the lake shore units mesh with each other? Will having two backhaul antennas on the tower five feet vertically separated help, or will both paths usually go out at once? (I'm thinking that some weird reflection issues will hit different heights at different times.) Horizontal polarization is said to work better over water. So is it crazy to try a dual-polarization MIMO link? Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Over-water shots
At 9/4/2010 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: We have three shots across the same Estuary all around 7 miles. We see significant variances due to fading particularly during the heat of the day with no wind. On the first link I had initially tried a RocketM5 with a 25dB grid. It would fade to the point of dropping off. Once I replaced it with MIMO it's been good. This is really good information... and may lean towards confirming one of my suspicions. Tropo ducting will bend a signal, making a high-gain antenna fail, while a less-directive antenna will still work. I'm planning on using a 5G20-90 as the main sector antenna for feeding a dozen or so APs on the other side of the bay. I really only need 45 degrees or so but the 5G20-90 is rated at 6 dB points, so it's really closer to a 60 degree sector. For the longer shots, though, I was leaning towards a higher-gain panel, since they're within a few degrees of each other. (The AP end of the path is sort of tangential to the curved shoreline, though the first 8 miles or so are straight over open water.) But maybe I should give myself some extra degrees. I used to be a VHF contester, going up mountaintops and hoping for interesting tropo, and an FM-band DX listener, so I'm well aware of the strange stuff that can happen even at 88 or 144 MHz. So every link here has to be redundant. AP: Ubuquity Rocket5M 90deg sector antenna Elevation ~150' ASL 0deg elevation (tilted up to compensate for downtilt) So it works more reliably now? Funny about that theoretical fade margin. Client 1: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 40' ASL Signal varies between -50 and -75 (yes, 25dB swing) Wow. The low elevation might be key here; the water is closer so it has more of an impact. Client 2: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 200' ASL Signal varies between -55 and -60 Client 3: Rocket5M 30dB dish Elevation 40' ASL Signal varies between -60 and -72 This is much appreciated... thanks! - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Over-water shots What kind of experience does anyone here have in shooting backhaul links over water? I know that it does all sorts of nasty things to microwave propagation, but I have a large group of lakeside access points that will depend on backhaul being delivered from across the lake, about 10-15 miles. For the most part we're high enough so that the surface of the water is beyond the second fresnel zone, often beyond the third. This is at 5.8 GHz. Specifically, Should I expect that ducting and other lake effects will knock them all out at once, or will it help a lot that the lake shore units mesh with each other? Will having two backhaul antennas on the tower five feet vertically separated help, or will both paths usually go out at once? (I'm thinking that some weird reflection issues will hit different heights at different times.) Horizontal polarization is said to work better over water. So is it crazy to try a dual-polarization MIMO link? Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly?
Can anyone tell me how to disassemble the bullet5M? (yes, I googled, searched the UBNT forum, WISPA archive, etc and didn't find anything) I have one that little black ants got into. It's been acting funny and locking up and needing to be reset. I just noticed the ants today and gassed them. The bullet is still running but I think I'd better open it up and clean out any dead ants and any debris they might have left behind. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I am 99.9% all UBNT now. The UBNT are quick, plug and play. Cheaper to stock, antennas integrated into the CPE give a clean look. Signals are steady and my ROI is zero day. The 411AH are fantastic but for now I'd use them for a weird install where I need additional config features. The ONLY issue I have is firmware lockups. I still get the occasional Rocket or Bullet not responding. Not as much as before but still an issue. For the plastic case, I use the double shielded cable with static drain and shielded connectors. Have never had an issue with the grounding. Lucky maybe, who can tell! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe. I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO. I know Rocket will be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the amount of bandwidth and packets they can process. I am leaning towards MT on the links and Rocket for AP. I am concerned about the plastic cases. I really like having the boards in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well. I know I have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded. With MT I can put ethernet surge protection in the enclosure. What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and reliability of Rockets? Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks and have a great Labor Day. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
Be lucky you didn't throw Motorola in the mix.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti Got to love this, a simple question about a comparison of 802.11n performance on the two platforms turns into a tirade of primary school 'pissing contest' ! No ONE is trying to dis any platform... and hopefully we all are mature enough to understand that ... Mikrotik is a great routing platform that can do Wireless Links, While the UBNT is a great Wireless Radios that can do some routing.. Folks that is apples and oranges Myself, I am greedy... I am looking for MORE PLATFORMS that can do 802.11n MIMO Wireless Links... I don't care if they are MADE BY UBNT or Mikrotik or Suzuki or commissioned by local WALMART I need a product line that is STABLE, Performs WELL, and Provides a good ROI. Let's get back to the ORIGINAL POINT of DISCUSSION. WHO HAS Mikrotik 802.11n Deployments, which are running STABLE (key emphasis on 802.11n), and PERFORMING WELL ? What type of Antenna's are you Using ?and is there anyone who has done some comparison on the two platforms ? Can we please have a 'To the point' discussion without the snide remarks ? Thanks Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/4/2010 11:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: To each their own... we use 100% MT on our backbone (over 70 production links, some up to 73 miles). We are fully routed (even on each wireless hop), so using MT works great because I don't have to have a separate router like if I used UBNT. I have full telnet, speed test, packet sniffing, and routing protocols at EVERY wireless hop (we run OSPF). And MT didn't build the case that holds an MT radio on a UBNT dish... that's a 3rd party thing. I guess it's hilarious that UBNT made a 2ft dish because Pac Wireless has had a 2ft dish for 6+ years? :) Travis Microserv On 9/4/2010 8:17 AM, Ralph wrote: Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik. We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules. That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots, with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features. As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is correct. We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have used an Orthagon (sic?) We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will frost the cake. The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't break more things than it fixes. And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed (this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking). -Original Message- Data Technology Said: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly?
Really simple. Right at the N connector is a threaded ring. You'll see the grooves on the top side of it. Take a pair of channel locks and screw off the ring. That's what holds the entire thing in. At the RJ45 connector, you can push in and at the same time pull the N connector out of the housing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Can anyone tell me how to disassemble the bullet5M? (yes, I googled, searched the UBNT forum, WISPA archive, etc and didn't find anything) I have one that little black ants got into. It's been acting funny and locking up and needing to be reset. I just noticed the ants today and gassed them. The bullet is still running but I think I'd better open it up and clean out any dead ants and any debris they might have left behind. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly?
Correction, you have to push the N connector IN and pull the RJ45 end OUT! I said that backwards... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Really simple. Right at the N connector is a threaded ring. You'll see the grooves on the top side of it. Take a pair of channel locks and screw off the ring. That's what holds the entire thing in. At the RJ45 connector, you can push in and at the same time pull the N connector out of the housing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Can anyone tell me how to disassemble the bullet5M? (yes, I googled, searched the UBNT forum, WISPA archive, etc and didn't find anything) I have one that little black ants got into. It's been acting funny and locking up and needing to be reset. I just noticed the ants today and gassed them. The bullet is still running but I think I'd better open it up and clean out any dead ants and any debris they might have left behind. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
? -- fmen...@xittel.net On 2010-09-04, at 15:41, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Be lucky you didn't throw Motorola in the mix.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti Got to love this, a simple question about a comparison of 802.11n performance on the two platforms turns into a tirade of primary school 'pissing contest' ! No ONE is trying to dis any platform... and hopefully we all are mature enough to understand that ... Mikrotik is a great routing platform that can do Wireless Links, While the UBNT is a great Wireless Radios that can do some routing.. Folks that is apples and oranges Myself, I am greedy... I am looking for MORE PLATFORMS that can do 802.11n MIMO Wireless Links... I don't care if they are MADE BY UBNT or Mikrotik or Suzuki or commissioned by local WALMART I need a product line that is STABLE, Performs WELL, and Provides a good ROI. Let's get back to the ORIGINAL POINT of DISCUSSION. WHO HAS Mikrotik 802.11n Deployments, which are running STABLE (key emphasis on 802.11n), and PERFORMING WELL ? What type of Antenna's are you Using ?and is there anyone who has done some comparison on the two platforms ? Can we please have a 'To the point' discussion without the snide remarks ? Thanks Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/4/2010 11:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: To each their own... we use 100% MT on our backbone (over 70 production links, some up to 73 miles). We are fully routed (even on each wireless hop), so using MT works great because I don't have to have a separate router like if I used UBNT. I have full telnet, speed test, packet sniffing, and routing protocols at EVERY wireless hop (we run OSPF). And MT didn't build the case that holds an MT radio on a UBNT dish... that's a 3rd party thing. I guess it's hilarious that UBNT made a 2ft dish because Pac Wireless has had a 2ft dish for 6+ years? :) Travis Microserv On 9/4/2010 8:17 AM, Ralph wrote: Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik. We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules. That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots, with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features. As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is correct. We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have used an Orthagon (sic?) We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will frost the cake. The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't break more things than it fixes. And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed (this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking). -Original Message- Data Technology Said: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly?
Thank you very much! Greg On Sep 4, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Robert West wrote: Correction, you have to push the N connector IN and pull the RJ45 end OUT! I said that backwards... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Really simple. Right at the N connector is a threaded ring. You'll see the grooves on the top side of it. Take a pair of channel locks and screw off the ring. That's what holds the entire thing in. At the RJ45 connector, you can push in and at the same time pull the N connector out of the housing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Can anyone tell me how to disassemble the bullet5M? (yes, I googled, searched the UBNT forum, WISPA archive, etc and didn't find anything) I have one that little black ants got into. It's been acting funny and locking up and needing to be reset. I just noticed the ants today and gassed them. The bullet is still running but I think I'd better open it up and clean out any dead ants and any debris they might have left behind. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
We have tested RB 411AH, (AR7161 680MHz, RAM 64 MB), miniPCI R52Hn (AR9220 802.11n, OS Mikrotik v.4.6 and UNBT Rocket M5 (Atheros MIPS 24KC, 400MHz) 1) LAB tests (connection via coax cable with attenuators) -max duplex throughput (iperf udp, 1470 bytes payload ) in 20 MHz channel bandwidth, MIMO 2x2 Tx/Rx Rate 130/130 of RB/R52Hn ( Nstreme Off ) is 49 Mbps duplex , Rocket -39 Mbps - max duplex throughput at 64 bytes UDP packet size is reduced for RB to 6.8 Mbps duplex, Rocket - 5.7 Mbps duplex. Throughput at small packets size of both devices is the same in 20 , 40 MHz channel bandwidth, and does not depend on using 1 or 2 chains. We noticed that internal bandwidth test ( between wireless interfaces ) at small packets shows much higher throughput than via Ethernet+wireless. - RB pps is higher than Rocket and is equal approx 28K ( in + out) in lab. Rocket has about 24K. Max pps does not depends on channel size 20 or 40, 1 or 2 chains, In comparison we tested in lab the same board RB411AH with CM9 802.11a card ( Nstreme On, packet aggregation frame policy is 3200). In this mode unit has 39K pps. In Nstreme off mode this unit has only 4K pps. Vyacheslav Vasilyev UNIDATA Fixed BWA solution WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly?
Not a problem. I take EVERYTHING apart. It's a problem, I know.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Thank you very much! Greg On Sep 4, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Robert West wrote: Correction, you have to push the N connector IN and pull the RJ45 end OUT! I said that backwards... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Really simple. Right at the N connector is a threaded ring. You'll see the grooves on the top side of it. Take a pair of channel locks and screw off the ring. That's what holds the entire thing in. At the RJ45 connector, you can push in and at the same time pull the N connector out of the housing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5M disassembly? Can anyone tell me how to disassemble the bullet5M? (yes, I googled, searched the UBNT forum, WISPA archive, etc and didn't find anything) I have one that little black ants got into. It's been acting funny and locking up and needing to be reset. I just noticed the ants today and gassed them. The bullet is still running but I think I'd better open it up and clean out any dead ants and any debris they might have left behind. Greg -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Vyacheslav Vasilyev s...@unidata.com.ua wrote: We have tested RB 411AH, (AR7161 680MHz, RAM 64 MB), miniPCI R52Hn (AR9220 802.11n, OS Mikrotik v.4.6 and UNBT Rocket M5 (Atheros MIPS 24KC, 400MHz) 1) LAB tests (connection via coax cable with attenuators) -max duplex throughput (iperf udp, 1470 bytes payload ) in 20 MHz channel bandwidth, MIMO 2x2 Tx/Rx Rate 130/130 of RB/R52Hn ( Nstreme Off ) is 49 Mbps duplex , Rocket -39 Mbps Airmax was on or off? What were the single direction speeds for each? - max duplex throughput at 64 bytes UDP packet size is reduced for RB to 6.8 Mbps duplex, Rocket - 5.7 Mbps duplex. Throughput at small packets size of both devices is the same in 20 , 40 MHz channel bandwidth, and does not depend on using 1 or 2 chains. We noticed that internal bandwidth test ( between wireless interfaces ) at small packets shows much higher throughput than via Ethernet+wireless. MT, Ubnt, or both? With or with out NStream/NStream2/Airmax? Running as a bridge, a router, WDS? - RB pps is higher than Rocket and is equal approx 28K ( in + out) in lab. Rocket has about 24K. Max pps does not depends on channel size 20 or 40, 1 or 2 chains, In comparison we tested in lab the same board RB411AH with CM9 802.11a card ( Nstreme On, packet aggregation frame policy is 3200). In this mode unit has 39K pps. In Nstreme off mode this unit has only 4K pps. Vyacheslav Vasilyev UNIDATA Fixed BWA solution WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I hate to tell you your tests are flawed... I have in excess of 70MB TCP passing between two towers 30 miles apart with Rocket M5 and 20Mhz channels. If you only got 39Mbs you have a problem and it isn't the radios. That being said, I have radios running MT with N and 20Mhx channel that double your throughput tests live on towers too... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102 From: Vyacheslav Vasilyev s...@unidata.com.ua Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:38 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti We have tested RB 411AH, (AR7161 680MHz, RAM 64 MB), miniPCI R52Hn (AR9220 802.11n, OS Mikrotik v.4.6 and UNBT Rocket M5 (Atheros MIPS 24KC, 400MHz) 1) LAB tests (connection via coax cable with attenuators) -max duplex throughput (iperf udp, 1470 bytes payload ) in 20 MHz channel bandwidth, MIMO 2x2 Tx/Rx Rate 130/130 of RB/R52Hn ( Nstreme Off ) is 49 Mbps duplex , Rocket -39 Mbps - max duplex throughput at 64 bytes UDP packet size is reduced for RB to 6.8 Mbps duplex, Rocket - 5.7 Mbps duplex. Throughput at small packets size of both devices is the same in 20 , 40 MHz channel bandwidth, and does not depend on using 1 or 2 chains. We noticed that internal bandwidth test ( between wireless interfaces ) at small packets shows much higher throughput than via Ethernet+wireless. - RB pps is higher than Rocket and is equal approx 28K ( in + out) in lab. Rocket has about 24K. Max pps does not depends on channel size 20 or 40, 1 or 2 chains, In comparison we tested in lab the same board RB411AH with CM9 802.11a card ( Nstreme On, packet aggregation frame policy is 3200). In this mode unit has 39K pps. In Nstreme off mode this unit has only 4K pps. Vyacheslav Vasilyev UNIDATA Fixed BWA solution WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
