Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
You nailed it Tom! Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom. Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and destroy small competitive providers. Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached. Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of view. On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing that right now, and compromising our Free country? What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access providers? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions I just sent ours in. Cameron On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: While normally an ally of WISPA, in this case Free Press is taking a position that is opposite WISPs feelings on this topic. This is a MAJOR reason while it is absolutely essential that ALL WISPs take the time to file by 5:00 PM tomorrow. I have attached the WISPA filing and a template to use. Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file and upload it at the following website. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc. If you choose not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd. The proceeding number ET Docket Nos. 09-191 and WC Docket No. 07-52. You can add the second Proceeding Number by clicking Add Proceeding. Free Press Floods FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions Group wants Commission to toughen up chairman's proposed compromise order By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting Cable, 12/13/2010 11:45:52 AM Free Press is killing some trees to try and save the Internet. Free Press says that http://www.broadcastingcable.com/common/jumplink.php?target=http%3A%2F%2Fac t2.freepress.net%2Fsign%2Freal_net_neutrality%2F%3Fsource%3Dposterous SavetheInternet.com volunteers will be hand-delivering 2 million petitions to the FCC, with volunteers making the trek every hour on the hour until sometime Tuesday. Free Press wants the FCC to toughen up the chairman's proposed compromise order expanding and codifying its network openness rules. The order does not rely on reclassifying broadband access under some common carrier regs (Title II), allows for specialized services, and does not apply most of them to wireless broadband. The FCC is planning to vote on the order Dec. 21, which is still subject to edits and emendations as the commissioners vet the draft. Free Press calls the chairmen's proposal a toothless effort that give[s] just about everything to giant phone and cable companies, and leave[s] Internet users with almost nothing. That two million are not all in response to the compromise FCC proposal, but represent the names on a number of different petitions on net neutrality cirucluated over the past couple of years, according to Free Press' Craig Aaron. Copies of the different petitions are being attached to the appropriate list of names, approximately 50,000 per boxful, which are being delivered hourly to the commission through Tuesday. To monitor the progress of
[WISPA] Email Accounts
Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We've been very happy with MagicMail by LinuxMagic. Solid platform and the support is very good. Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 12/15/2010 9:38 AM, Matt wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We do Gmail. Cheap, it works, next to no support cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We use fasthosts.com. 50.00 per month for unlimited standard email accounts. 9.95 per year for advanced. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We do our own email too with linux and just upgraded some stuff for the same and similar issues. Old box: amd64x2 or phenom9500 with postfix/amavisdnew/clamav/spamassassin spamd/spamc. New box: phenom 1075t, postfix/clamsmtp/clamav/spamassassin spamd/spamc/usermin. A new seagate enterprise hard drive seems a lot better performing than old 120-250gig consumer seagate drives. ddr3 memory and the new processor absolutely blows the old stuff out of the water. going from 4-8 or 8-16gb ram makes a huge improvement in simultaneous mail flow. I think the new faster parts and clamsmtp instead of amavis have made a big difference. We actually run things over a couple boxes with perdition to divide the load by first letter of the customer username. Then we can migrate customers to new servers one or more letters at a time and add capacity as needed. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:38:01AM -0600, Matt wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
+1 on Google... tech support for email has about gone away. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Icewarp here. There are some that don't like it, personally, I haven't had to adjust any server settings for several years. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I get a call every few months, for one thing or another (forgotten password, forgotten email address, etc). I wish mine had gone away, but I sure can't complain how minimal it is now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: +1 on Google... tech support for email has about gone away. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Icewarp here. There are some that don't like it, personally, I haven't had to adjust any server settings for several years. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I agree with chuck. If you are looking to outsource e-mail go with Google. To e-mail outsourcing e-mail is a deeply personal decision. After maintaining mail servers for the past 15+ years I had to spend a lot of time thinking about outsourcing for a client. It was a great fit for them. At current google rates 2000 customers would cost you $700 a month. If you don¹t have to maintain servers and deal with many of the technical issues you might actually save money. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:54:31 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts +1 on Google... tech support for email has about gone away. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Icewarp here. There are some that don't like it, personally, I haven't had to adjust any server settings for several years. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
If you want to continue hosing your own look at clustering with some fast disks backing it up. We have one client that has a 6 machine cluster with a SAN ³feeding² it. They have two machines at the front end which direct the traffic and 4 machines behind it which do the actual work. All the data is mounted via a fiber switch to a SAN. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:38:01 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Email Accounts Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] Network Neutrality Ex Parte Letter Template for Operators to file
At 12/15/2010 01:27 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Fred, Excellent Filing. Thanks. The big risk is abuse of power by those with dominent market power, thus possibly the need for some targeted regulation. But I'm not aware of any WISPs that has scaled large enough to have dominent market power to the extent to become a risk to consumers or other providers. I asked for Fixed Wireless to be exempt from NetNeutrality restrictions simply because there is no market need to regulate a small provider. This is a classic case of where American-style regulation goes awry. In most other countries, regulation addresses market power. Big companies are regulated more closely than small ones if the market is concentrated. In the EU, a 25% market share is presumptive of significant market power (SMP), the first step towards regulation. But in the US, we draw false analogies based on what people do, rather than on what power they have, and we pretend it's fair to the powerful megacorporations to make the same rules apply to everyone, however small. This goes beyond telecom. In the current food safety debate, there's a major press to rid the country of The Scourge of the Bake Sale, wherein people cook food in, gag, *home kitchens*, not certified, and sell them. We all[1] know how many millions of people die every year from home cooking, of course, so safe food must come from regulated, managed industrial-scale factories! [1] We all in this case refers to certain op-ed columnists who only eat in restaurants, but who portray themselves as centrists by taking positions nobody else has, and to a handful of politicians who live to please them. So the same sort of thing applies to telecom and Internet. Most people get it from a Big Company that has SMP, and they've been scared into assuming that the big company will abuse it. This is perfectly understandable; I think that certain large companies (no names, but they tend to have the rights to the collective trademark Bell) would love to put the squeeze on. So they want to put rules on ISPs. If asked, I doubt most people who support neutrality on principle would want to squeeze a little WISP -- they're thinking big telco and MSO -- but the big telcos are using this as a way to put the squeeze on the little guys. I even noticed a Verizon-funded front group putting in ex parte comments yesterday for real neutrality. CLECs are subject to similar silliness, btw, being regulated entities. Not neutrality -- as common carriers, CLECs are neutral. Federal law says that states cannot price-regulate them, and they have no market power. But states still require them to file tariffs, with pretend rates, as if they were ILECs. States and the FCC require detailed filings of reports. It's all set up to be fair to the Bells by making small competitors do the work that big ones do. That's why the regulatory debate has to be refocused. I'm impressed by the great turnout of WISP ex-parte letters. The FreePrers did submit long lists of names of supporters, but even some of them, if asked, would recognize that WISPs shouldn't be held to the same standards as the big guys. But they generally neither know nor care about our existence. They are already suffering from Broadband Stockholm Syndrome, and would rather argue about the food in the prison canteen than think about real freedom. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 9:38 AM, Matt wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Agreed. VMware is amazing. Server management is no longer cumbersome and with HA (high availability) running there are no more hardware worries. Servers are no longer rack-mounted boxes, but instead just files we can drag - drop - copy - start - stop - upgrade - downgrade with a click of a mouse. The power savings are terrific too. Fewer servers (hosts) running = power savings. Less heat generated in datacenter means fewer Liebert A/C systems running = power savings. More datacenter floor space to sell...virtual servers are better in every aspect. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 9:38 AM, Matt wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. I have heard that for I/O intensive applications they are not a good choice. Email is definitely I/O intensive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I think it really depends on your load. A client of mine has a 1500+ account Exchange installation and everything there is virtualized. I think it just depends on your infrastructure, hardware, load balancing, etc. I haven't reached that much volume, however, to know myself how that pans out. Also, RAID 10 is better for IO intensive operations than 5. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 11:33 AM, Matt wrote: I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. I have heard that for I/O intensive applications they are not a good choice. Email is definitely I/O intensive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Anyone used iRedMail? http://www.iredmail.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi8CF3RKRm4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Virtualization requires more hardware to be thrown at it. Since your are running the Applications within an operating system it requires beefier CPU and more memory. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:39:05 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts I think it really depends on your load. A client of mine has a 1500+ account Exchange installation and everything there is virtualized. I think it just depends on your infrastructure, hardware, load balancing, etc. I haven't reached that much volume, however, to know myself how that pans out. Also, RAID 10 is better for IO intensive operations than 5. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 11:33 AM, Matt wrote: I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. I have heard that for I/O intensive applications they are not a good choice. Email is definitely I/O intensive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I'm sure that would largely depend on the host or hosts platform you are using for the virtual servers. Ours is a Dell blade chassis with M610 blades currently attached to 7TB of 15K drives. We haven't seen any I/O issues... Just because you can spin up 100 servers on one host doesn't mean that's a good idea! The great thing about VMware is its ability to constantly monitor all servers and manage your total host resource pool to maximize your hardware utilization. As our CPU, RAM or HDD needs increase we simply add additional blades (hosts) and additional storage. We can manually migrate virtual servers away from any particular host that we want to remove or take down for maintenance without losing a single ping to the server being migrated. Ok, maybe I saw one ping lost once doing this... Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts I put everything on virtual servers. There's no reinstallation, reconfiguration, etc. required to migrate to new hardware. Just install on the host OS on a new box and migrate the container over. I have heard that for I/O intensive applications they are not a good choice. Email is definitely I/O intensive. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We are hosting 10,000 email accounts on a single box running Linux with Postfix. Using 4GB of RAM and a simple RAID10 config with SATA drives. Travis Microserv On 12/15/2010 8:38 AM, Matt wrote: Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jumbo Frames
Well, I havent analysed it yet but with all the facebook uploads, online backups, and email attachedments going on I wonder if that is the case? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 23:23, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any reason to enable Jumbo Frames? My RB1000 and Dell switches have the capabilities. Time Warner says they can enable it on my fiber switch if I want. It probably won't hurt, but unless you're regularly moving very large files point-to-point (and can enable jumbo frames on all the intermediate gear) it also probably won't have any noticeable benefit. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps-key-features_vendor.asp .35 cents a user a month. $4.20 a user per year. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:28:53 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jumbo Frames
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:30, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I havent analysed it yet but with all the facebook uploads, online backups, and email attachedments going on I wonder if that is the case? First, by very large files I'm thinking tens of terabytes. Second, there's only a benefit to jumbo-frames if EVERY device between the two endpoints supports it. Chances are, the end-user's desktop doesn't support it (or doesn't have it enabled), or you've got an old switch at a tower, or someone at a co-lo on the other coast forgot to enable it. If any piece of gear between the two doesn't support jumbo frames, your giant packet will get fragmented anyway, and you may end up with worse performance. Obviously, you want to bench-test for your particular application, but outside of some specialized environments (like Internet2) jumbo frames don't really win you very much. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
You need to get with the Partner edition. If you join FISPA the pricing is better, but I think the advertised price is .35/mailbox/year. My rep is Shaun Hogan s...@ikano.com Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jumbo Frames
Thats what I wanted to know. You're right - no benefit for my end users. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:40 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:30, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I havent analysed it yet but with all the facebook uploads, online backups, and email attachedments going on I wonder if that is the case? First, by very large files I'm thinking tens of terabytes. Second, there's only a benefit to jumbo-frames if EVERY device between the two endpoints supports it. Chances are, the end-user's desktop doesn't support it (or doesn't have it enabled), or you've got an old switch at a tower, or someone at a co-lo on the other coast forgot to enable it. If any piece of gear between the two doesn't support jumbo frames, your giant packet will get fragmented anyway, and you may end up with worse performance. Obviously, you want to bench-test for your particular application, but outside of some specialized environments (like Internet2) jumbo frames don't really win you very much. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I asked the google rep and he said it is not available anymore...maybe he's an idiot. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: You need to get with the Partner edition. If you join FISPA the pricing is better, but I think the advertised price is .35/mailbox/year. My rep is Shaun Hogan s...@ikano.com Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jumbo Frames
Based on my understanding, it won't make a difference unless both ends of the connection and every router in between has its MTU set 1500. You can have the MTU set to 9000 on every router on your network, but if your customer's router/PC is 1500, all frames will be 1500. People on NANOG were discussing this a couple of weeks ago when talking about optimizing multi-hundred megabit transfers across the Internet where they had optimized it on their network, both endpoints, and arranged it with all of their transit providers. But it's not something you can just turn on in the middle and get more speed. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 13:30 -0500, RickG wrote: Well, I havent analysed it yet but with all the facebook uploads, online backups, and email attachedments going on I wonder if that is the case? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 23:23, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any reason to enable Jumbo Frames? My RB1000 and Dell switches have the capabilities. Time Warner says they can enable it on my fiber switch if I want. It probably won't hurt, but unless you're regularly moving very large files point-to-point (and can enable jumbo frames on all the intermediate gear) it also probably won't have any noticeable benefit. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I was told the ISP partner edition is no longer available, which is different from the Google Apps Partner edition. In a nustshell the ISP edition was free if you qualified. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:43:54 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts I asked the google rep and he said it is not available anymore...maybe he's an idiot. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: You need to get with the Partner edition. If you join FISPA the pricing is better, but I think the advertised price is .35/mailbox/year. My rep is Shaun Hogan s...@ikano.com Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Colo contract language
Does anyone have some language they can share on a colo agreement? I've got everything worked out except for exclusive use of the unlicensed bands at that site. I want to prevent someone from renting space and parking their gear on the same frequencies I am using. Richey AISG NetOps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Send Shaun an email...tell him Chuck Hogg from Shelby Broadband sent you...he'll take care of ya. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I asked the google rep and he said it is not available anymore...maybe he's an idiot. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: You need to get with the Partner edition. If you join FISPA the pricing is better, but I think the advertised price is .35/mailbox/year. My rep is Shaun Hogan s...@ikano.com Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. OpenVZ (managed through ProxMox) is a great way to host many resource-lite containers. There's only 2 - 3% overhead and they can really add up low use servers. If you're not using OpenVZ, I'd probably go to VMWare. They have a free version and you can migrate that to the paid version when you're ready. The paid version has all the fancy HA and load balancing features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 12:07 PM, Matt wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom. Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and destroy small competitive providers. Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached. Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide best effort 911 service? I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's a two edged sword. Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of view. On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing that right now, and compromising our Free country? Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come from the amount of information that is collected and collated on individuals and used to target advertising. Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv). They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies. How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other large brands. There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running eyeball networks). Very few people from the content provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good deal for everyone because of all the interdependencies in the digital asset supply chain. (Comcast being the obvious exception). Now I am of the impression that we need to have some regulation. It needs to let us run our networks in the best way possible. That means everything from traffic shaping on our customer facing links, to whatever traffic engineering policies we deem necessary to improve the bottom line. Also WISPS do need to be recognized (at a national level) as wireline replacement. We should not be lumped in with the JOKE that is mobile broadband ^H^H^H toy broadband. What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access providers? Take a look at the supply chain sometime. The market will dictate self regulation. It's only when people like Comcast get greedy and have a monopoly, that things get nasty. At that point it is my opinion that the market rapidly steps in and shuts out that player. ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCRuDAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt9LEP/3bsR6dcyXUVBTGIF6kM++pA 5pg+vEqL0G5d6i+XR1DvDs+SlfILOfdSWsv3oRFSN/AHmopznq/2lB4AR/9SMqZs fdntkaB2wiuQBbAFeZUhXxJkKo8i/3hFzFLfzKApfTA0I6NoD3uUpO4kbzLFjMsq 17SJAN2RX9RxhmNTayyPnpb4Fj+otX4/NukWMB2da04k6f04jP1ok5uuAQOFErMm O6yi+KOVycp432LecNrVsHXwYHLdR0flpqfy8++SZ1M04aluUhCU8d8MUrU4Y96d
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I use Proxmox and love it. OpenVZ is the way to go. It's an amazing piece of software. Combine it with Proxmox and you get everything VmWare offers for free. On 12/15/2010 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCRvcAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtRLcP/RXR/z1/vecdETmNOVCdumED xKYggiHzMwWoXmENCCTPwfbDtPPOdsNnweN80rAdq+yXMfC0CeidlOTgHaKewemE ijrp4HN+/xsxcyZMz9ygFXHfXfDT7P0TEV4/hlV/+TXOeGaUYX4JqIY/4FPvc32f aprMy8qNfPRQtGClthFyVa6P/N4u+9g6aIg7Z9WyFglRqySj9P+aXFrXAY4UZc6n FyqfRKM86OJzcM56tTlPQH39dRRHUGjlgpVIF6A1PxD0Cl5lCvq0zBNHjDI7q/M3 DODPTsLsmmJKI29uGHu1gPhiOhAW463/MFut2vpL53IMK/+SY236otB3Wvg6bD4K cFoT5LZZYyW0nNSib7cjQYXbPODVGzz0lMADEy/mHK2Sgv8WCqMwDwbC4Lu3V9eX dcamhrGH5JVctVtZKMir65N89R4Y6hpl3uOlR1ZTXPkmPgZsdkCrUHDeWotVWqvr knACeKFdz3X4J4ztcygUkw73QjrnaYbOk/QMeK1vvGLXfWDgTvtgryQ/V4Z9bkKJ gbWBQXE9GEy9TOujmTOrAR05jS+lOhJgBU/9nBhIHFYbiP7tYZ5i7VY7dDfu6Xl4 r/F8iXVpeBq8jXERSxYeHTnREo8JGv3JixXK+CZynNu7KAL145nYN7RI9IMUPzuk z1PzNyuF4+tdmTc6fyCJ =zoVr -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Xen has a higher learning curve than Vmware. There is quite a bit of documentation to help, but still has a curve. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:42:36 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. OpenVZ (managed through ProxMox) is a great way to host many resource-lite containers. There's only 2 - 3% overhead and they can really add up low use servers. If you're not using OpenVZ, I'd probably go to VMWare. They have a free version and you can migrate that to the paid version when you're ready. The paid version has all the fancy HA and load balancing features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 12:07 PM, Matt wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo contract language
Most tower owners will NOT give exclusives on frequency bands, prefering to go with FILO agreements in the lease for interference. Basically anyone that comes on a tower after the first user cannot make interference - if they do they have to fix it or get off. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Richey myli...@battleop.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Colo contract language Does anyone have some language they can share on a colo agreement? I've got everything worked out except for exclusive use of the unlicensed bands at that site. I want to prevent someone from renting space and parking their gear on the same frequencies I am using. Richey AISG NetOps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
RHEL/CentOS/Fedora switched from Xen to KVM On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. OpenVZ (managed through ProxMox) is a great way to host many resource-lite containers. There's only 2 - 3% overhead and they can really add up low use servers. If you're not using OpenVZ, I'd probably go to VMWare. They have a free version and you can migrate that to the paid version when you're ready. The paid version has all the fancy HA and load balancing features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 12:07 PM, Matt wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
It is important to note KVM is actually part of the linux kernel. KVM stands for Kernel Virtual Machine Since it is part of the kernel - it makes running it much more simple. Unlike Xen and others - (i like xen btw) - you do not need to worry about the kernel on an upgrade killing your ability to do virtulization as much as you would elsewhere On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Jon Auer wrote: RHEL/CentOS/Fedora switched from Xen to KVM On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen. I'm not sure if any other methods are working their way into current releases. OpenVZ (managed through ProxMox) is a great way to host many resource-lite containers. There's only 2 - 3% overhead and they can really add up low use servers. If you're not using OpenVZ, I'd probably go to VMWare. They have a free version and you can migrate that to the paid version when you're ready. The paid version has all the fancy HA and load balancing features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 12:07 PM, Matt wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set of VMWare. Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java applications. Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM it has a CPU usage bug. Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short end of a long rope. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of*Josh Luthman *Sent:*Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM *To:*WISPA General List *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com mailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... and yes - that short rope I think you are right. On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set of VMWare. Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java applications. Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM it has a CPU usage bug. Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short end of a long rope. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Java sees the memory of the entire host vs. just the container. There is a myriad of config file changes to make it work, but I don't want to run a severely molested config. It's just that much harder to troubleshoot when things are wrong. It is a known issue between Java and OpenVZ, just no one seems able and willing to fix it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:26 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... and yes - that short rope I think you are right. On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set of VMWare. Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java applications. Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM it has a CPU usage bug. Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short end of a long rope. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of*Josh Luthman *Sent:*Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM *To:*WISPA General List *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com mailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
gotcha using kvm here - but interesting. Heck - i have opennms running in openvz and see none of those - so must be a zimbra deal. I am fighting some vmware issues now sadly - ready to pull the few hairs i have left out. Wishing this was proxmox ... resource issues - and resource pools not being followed ... fun On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Java sees the memory of the entire host vs. just the container. There is a myriad of config file changes to make it work, but I don't want to run a severely molested config. It's just that much harder to troubleshoot when things are wrong. It is a known issue between Java and OpenVZ, just no one seems able and willing to fix it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:26 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... and yes - that short rope I think you are right. On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set of VMWare. Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java applications. Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM it has a CPU usage bug. Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short end of a long rope. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
oh, I had CPU usage issues. Basic Zimbra LDAP server with nothing else attached would use 100% CPU. It was some timing incompatibility. I split Zimbra up into 7 separate servers for scale and redundancy (2x LDAP, 2x MTA, 2x mailstore, 1x proxy). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:36 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: gotcha using kvm here - but interesting. Heck - i have opennms running in openvz and see none of those - so must be a zimbra deal. I am fighting some vmware issues now sadly - ready to pull the few hairs i have left out. Wishing this was proxmox ... resource issues - and resource pools not being followed ... fun On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Java sees the memory of the entire host vs. just the container. There is a myriad of config file changes to make it work, but I don't want to run a severely molested config. It's just that much harder to troubleshoot when things are wrong. It is a known issue between Java and OpenVZ, just no one seems able and willing to fix it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:26 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have a zimbra setup and it runs just fine... not sure what you are seeing - but interesting to know... and yes - that short rope I think you are right. On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is that ProxMox has nowhere near the enterprise class feature set of VMWare. Also, both KVM and OpenVZ have incompatibilities with certain Java applications. Zimbra, for instance, on OpenVZ it has a memory bug and on KVM it has a CPU usage bug. Personally, anyone who codes an email server in Java needs to meet the short end of a long rope. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/15/2010 2:08 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: I have found vmware to be a nightmare in many instances. In others I absolutely love it. Check out the opensource project called ProxMox. It allows you to run containers as well as KVM instances - and has tons and tons of template machines (including the ability to use any VMWare one. http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve We have tons of templates from Cacti, WHMCS, cPanel, Zimbra, PRoxMox AntiSpam and others - well worth the testing On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Great thing about ESXi is that its footprint is so small. It uses like 300k of memory and you can run it from a USB thumbdrive and all the storage is simply virtual machines. EUREKA! *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of*Josh Luthman *Sent:*Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:55 PM *To:*WISPA General List *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts That's for premier. You want partner, like an ISP. Someone said like a dollar forty? On Dec 15, 2010 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com mailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote: On the Gmail...how cheap is cheap? They just quoted us $50 per user per year (that's over $4/month per user JUST for email). That's pretty pricey to me. People complain about the price of our software which does a ton of stuff at less than $1/month/sub. Cameron On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Great stuff...can't say enough good about VMware and their support. Dell support has been fantastic too. I think Redhat uses KVM? http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/server/ Imagine it will work its way into CentOS soon. How does it compare to VMware? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
gotcha have a few setup for a client - never saw that stuff @ all. Might want to peek @ the kernel your using - 1.7 has a few updates that should help a ton. Like anything - its always the little stuff :-) On Dec 15, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I had CPU usage issues. Basic Zimbra LDAP server with nothing else attached would use 100% CPU. It was some timing incompatibility. _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps-key-features_vendor.asp .35 cents a user a month. $4.20 a user per year. I am hearing to switch to google all my users must change there SMTP and POP3 settings to point at google. Ugh, not gonna happen. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Just change your DNS Settings for your domain name. Did you think Google was going to put a server in your facility? Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps-key-features_vendor.asp .35 cents a user a month. $4.20 a user per year. I am hearing to switch to google all my users must change there SMTP and POP3 settings to point at google. Ugh, not gonna happen. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We just did a domain. We did a cname of the existing mail servers and away they went. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:03:35 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps-key-features_vendor.asp .35 cents a user a month. $4.20 a user per year. I am hearing to switch to google all my users must change there SMTP and POP3 settings to point at google. Ugh, not gonna happen. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Just change your DNS Settings for your domain name. Did you think Google was going to put a server in your facility? Regards, Asked that, was told no. Wanted to just use a cname to point at them. Don't think a cname is allowed on an MX though. Wanted to use an aname to just point at the google IP. Was told no due to the SSL cert or something. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave
You might also check with Surplus Wireless Gear. They've done repairs and such for us in the past, pretty good customer service too. http://surpluswirelessgear.com/ -Tim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave Yes, there are more cost effective alternatives to repair, if you have time. First, there is a third party company that will repair your modems or sell you refurbished modems for your IDUs. I ran into one not to long ago, unfortuantely I forget who it was off the top of my head. (But I'll try to find out) I'm assuming you have the Split archetecture models. What model do you have? I might have a resource for you. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivanmailto:kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave We bought a used Dragonwave link, and it appears that both ends have broken radio modems. Dragonwave wants $2,000 to replace each modem card assembly, for a total of $4k. Does anyone know what that is, and if it is possible to repair without paying Dragonwave unholy amounts of cash? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave
We have the AirPair 200 split system. Currently both the radio and modem are outdoor mountable, but we'd be fine with moving the modem indoors if needed. Kevin - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave Yes, there are more cost effective alternatives to repair, if you have time. First, there is a third party company that will repair your modems or sell you refurbished modems for your IDUs. I ran into one not to long ago, unfortuantely I forget who it was off the top of my head. (But I'll try to find out) I'm assuming you have the Split archetecture models. What model do you have? I might have a resource for you. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: [WISPA] Broken Dragonwave We bought a used Dragonwave link, and it appears that both ends have broken radio modems. Dragonwave wants $2,000 to replace each modem card assembly, for a total of $4k. Does anyone know what that is, and if it is possible to repair without paying Dragonwave unholy amounts of cash? Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] content filtering as a premium service for subscribers
I've used squidguard and has worked really well. I have a script that updates the database every hour. On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 11:23 -0500, Justin Wilson wrote: WebSense is a good product. The thing about any type of web filtering is you have to keep on top of it. Companies such as Websense push out almost daily updates on new sites, false positives, etc. If you “roll your own” be prepared to be writing exceptions a lot. There are new web-sites everyday. Not only that you have new content everyday on exiting web-sites. The example I always use is a site that goes into detail about breast cancer. A simple solution may block the site one day, but not the next. Depends on what the author of the web-site wrote that day. My .02 is pay someone who has dedicated staff to do it for you. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support __ From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:38 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] content filtering as a premium service for subscribers Anyone offering web content filtering as a premium service to subscribers? If so what have you found works best? We’ve had a few requests, and are trying to see if it is worthwhile. Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 __ Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. __ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Are you operators in Ohio, wanting to do a State WISP meeting this winter? If so, start a thread on the Ohio mailing list http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ohio . The meeting in Indiana http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434 is almost to capacity (80) with 74 signed up so far. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I'd be up for that. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Are you operators in Ohio, wanting to do a State WISP meeting this winter? If so, start a thread on the Ohio mailing list http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ohio . The meeting in Indiana http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434 is almost to capacity (80) with 74 signed up so far. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
We converted 2500 accounts...1-2 weeks of calls about turning on ssl... Regards, Chuck On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Just change your DNS Settings for your domain name. Did you think Google was going to put a server in your facility? Regards, Asked that, was told no. Wanted to just use a cname to point at them. Don't think a cname is allowed on an MX though. Wanted to use an aname to just point at the google IP. Was told no due to the SSL cert or something. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: [WISPA Members] Open Internet Update
This just in from WISPA's attorney Steve Coran. We ended up with 120 filings. Good Job to all those that voiced your opinions. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Coran Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:34 PM To: memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Members] Open Internet Update Yesterday, I was asked by a member if the FCC bothers to read the letters that are submitted to them in rulemaking proceedings. Today, I can tell you that they do. More specifically, I can tell you that WISPA's letters in the Open Internet proceeding have created a positive impact. At about 5:30 this evening, I received a phone call from Julius Knapp, Chief of the FCC's Office of Engineering Technology, and Zach Katz, Chairman Genachowski's point person on the open Internet proceeding. I don't ever recall receiving a call from the FCC Chairman's office on these sorts of matters, much less one beginning beginning with we've noticed that there are quite a few letters that WISPs have written. Because we are in the quiet period where we can't advocate positions, my job was listen and take notes. Here's what I heard: First, the rules the Chairman hopes to adopt (remember, he needs three votes) should not require providers to make significant changes in their network management practices. The language in the draft Order will acknowledge that reasonable network management should be a flexible definition. More to the point, the language in the draft Order recognizes the unique challenges that unlicensed fixed users face, i.e., the fact that they have no assured access to spectrum and do not control the spectrum. Zach said more than once that the rules the Chairman hopes to adopt are a beginning and not an end and future changes will be made as the competitive landscape evolves. As Zach said -- with a nod to Julie for being our inside guy (my words) -- the WISP community is not being ignored. Second, the draft rules will distinguish between fixed and mobile networks. Mobile is at an earlier stage than fixed and is evolving more rapidly based on business models and relationships with content and application providers. Zach also mentioned that open networks are evolving (e.g., 700 MHz C-block). He emphasized that the rules the FCC adopts will stay constant for a long period of time and that the FCC will monitor the marketplace. The takeaways: - While I can't say that the draft Order is different than it was last week, our advocacy campaign was effective enough to be noticed by Julie such that he contacted the Chairman's office and the Chairman's office called me. Its important for you, the members, to know that your voices were heard and will have an impact in this important proceeding - The draft Order acknowledges the unique challenges that WISPs face with respect to restrictions on bandwidth use. Not all fixed networks are the same. That was one of our messages. - The draft Order will provide for flexibility in the way WISPs (and others) manage networks. Again, that was a key point in our letters. - Our previous and fairly frequent contacts with Julie have made him a WISP advocate within the FCC with some degree of influence with the Chairman's office. Guess we are seeing how sausage is made, and looks like we are part of it. Though there are a lot of details we don't yet know, for now its nice to know that our collective brainpower and hard work can be effective. More as I hear it. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ www.telecommunicationslaw.com http://www.telecommunicationslaw.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matter addressed herein. ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
If the disk space requirements allow go buy some large SSD Intel drives and your disk IO problem will likely go away. I don't buy anything but SSD any more unless I can't fit what I need on one. We have a larger one I put in our mail server and its not a fast machine but the performance of the SSD made up for it then some. Just a thought... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Email Accounts Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded. Disk I/O is getting to be an issue on it. Hosting about 2000 accounts. Likely just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array. Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out there? Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down. Current solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs upgraded. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Hey, that's good to know! They may be adjusting their pricing. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I'm still trying to find a factory in China that manufactures cheap bandwidth. Then I'll import it and make a killing! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
40 megs for $2100 here Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20 Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo contract language
The site owner is verbally ok with such language so we are going to put it in. One of the companies we compete in another market does the same thing with their leases. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colo contract language Most tower owners will NOT give exclusives on frequency bands, prefering to go with FILO agreements in the lease for interference. Basically anyone that comes on a tower after the first user cannot make interference - if they do they have to fix it or get off. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Richey myli...@battleop.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Colo contract language Does anyone have some language they can share on a colo agreement? I've got everything worked out except for exclusive use of the unlicensed bands at that site. I want to prevent someone from renting space and parking their gear on the same frequencies I am using. Richey AISG NetOps. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Should USF Funds be used for broadband in areas that already support private sector investment?
My second attempt at a blog. This time I look at what threshold already supports private sector broadband systems and pose the thought that USF fund reform should not go to areas that fit that criteria. That criteria can easily be determined now. Check out the sample chart. http://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/should-usf-funds-be-u sed-for-broadband-in-areas-that-already-support-private-sector-investment/ Thank You, Brian Webster http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What is this?
DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch If you consider the above to be of value, then yes. If you don't want it, I do. -- Blake Covarrubias On Dec 15, 2010, at 22:16, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
