Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
we are a little drive from you, but if you are interested, we are better equipped and trained then local EMS and would we willing to go over stuff with you Freeport, IL - Scott M Piehn From: Bob Moldashel Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements Tim, Here is a quick summary. The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work environment. With that said anyone climbing an elevated structure is expected to be trained and properly equipped with the correct personal safety equipment. OSHA has basic requirements (of which I don't have in front of me but will try to get you a link or two). The ultimate responsibility falls on the employer regardless of the amount of employees he or she has. Regardless where the training was received, the business owner is responsible for certifying the person doing the climbing. A sole proprieter or the company owner has the right to climb without the need to comply with OSHA requirements. He is not considered an employee and, as such, is exempt from OSHA regulations. There are numerous companies out there that are providing varying levels of training and will provide a certificate showing that training was completed. Most training is only a day or two long with one day classroom and one day on a structure. Actual time on the structure is usually only a few hours. Most are just awareness classes IMHO and don't really cover everything that's needed to be known to safely operating in the air. Now the next issue. It also depends who owns the structure and what their requirements are. Many large tower companies like SBA, American Tower, etc are requiring Comtrain or equivalent outside training certifications for anyone on their towers. Others could care less as long as you have the proper insurance. And while we are on the subject of Insurancea lot of tower companies/water tanks are looking for high general liability coverage. $5 million is not unusual anymore. A few sites we work on have $10 million GL requirements. You should ask that question before committing to any work. Anything over 6' and you need fall arrest harness and lanyard. Hope that helps and is not confusing the matter. -B- Bob Moldashel On 1/7/2015 1:28 PM, Tim Way wrote: How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: a.. What kind of training or certifications might be needed b.. Which government offices that I would need to register with a.. Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices c.. Are there break points where you either need training or don't a.. Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) d.. Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4794 / Virus Database: 4257/8887 - Release Date: 01/07/15 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Can't find the download for today's broadcast. Thanks On Jan 7, 2015 4:18 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: [image: http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNG] http://www.ispradio.com/Co-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! *Wednesday 11am CST* Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n *UPCOMMING SHOWS!* n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Was a short one, we should get it up shortly. The bridged vs routed a few weeks ago was much better. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed Can't find the download for today's broadcast. Thanks On Jan 7, 2015 4:18 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/ Co-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.comRemember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Should be up. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed Was a short one, we should get it up shortly. The bridged vs routed a few weeks ago was much better. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed Can't find the download for today's broadcast. Thanks On Jan 7, 2015 4:18 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: http://www.ispradio.com/ Co-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.comRemember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Thanks. Is the previous one available? On Jan 8, 2015 12:44 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Was a short one, we should get it up shortly. The bridged vs routed a few weeks ago was much better. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed Can't find the download for today's broadcast. Thanks On Jan 7, 2015 4:18 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: http://www.ispradio.com/[image: http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNG] http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/Co-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing and recent advancesments in TowerCoverage.com Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” and towercoverage.com! *Wednesday 11am CST* Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n *UPCOMMING SHOWS!* n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: - What kind of training or certifications might be needed - Which government offices that I would need to register with - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices - Are there break points where you either need training or don't - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
we use these guys to train our employees http://safetyoneinc.com we are in colorado and their headquarters are in Denver so it's convenient to send people there for training. There are a lot of other companies that provide training and many of them are WISPA members. I'd highly recommend training!!! if you don't want to send a bunch of people you can send one guy to get trained as a trainer for your company and then he can come back and train the rest of the crew. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote: Any handy links by chance? I appreciate the quick response. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: you have to follow OSHA rules. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote: How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: - What kind of training or certifications might be needed - Which government offices that I would need to register with - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices - Are there break points where you either need training or don't - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
Any handy links by chance? I appreciate the quick response. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: you have to follow OSHA rules. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote: How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: - What kind of training or certifications might be needed - Which government offices that I would need to register with - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices - Are there break points where you either need training or don't - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
you have to follow OSHA rules. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote: How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: - What kind of training or certifications might be needed - Which government offices that I would need to register with - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices - Are there break points where you either need training or don't - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements
Tim, Here is a quick summary. The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work environment. With that said anyone climbing an elevated structure is expected to be trained and properly equipped with the correct personal safety equipment. OSHA has basic requirements (of which I don't have in front of me but will try to get you a link or two). The ultimate responsibility falls on the employer regardless of the amount of employees he or she has. Regardless where the training was received, the business owner is responsible for certifying the person doing the climbing. A sole proprieter or the company owner has the right to climb without the need to comply with OSHA requirements. He is not considered an employee and, as such, is exempt from OSHA regulations. There are numerous companies out there that are providing varying levels of training and will provide a certificate showing that training was completed. Most training is only a day or two long with one day classroom and one day on a structure. Actual time on the structure is usually only a few hours. Most are just awareness classes IMHO and don't really cover everything that's needed to be known to safely operating in the air. Now the next issue. It also depends who owns the structure and what _their_ requirements are. Many large tower companies like SBA, American Tower, etc are requiring Comtrain or equivalent outside training certifications for anyone on their towers. Others could care less as long as you have the proper insurance. And while we are on the subject of Insurancea lot of tower companies/water tanks are looking for high general liability coverage. $5 million is not unusual anymore. A few sites we work on have $10 million GL requirements. You should ask that question before committing to any work. Anything over 6' and you need fall arrest harness and lanyard. Hope that helps and is not confusing the matter. -B- Bob Moldashel On 1/7/2015 1:28 PM, Tim Way wrote: How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me. I'm interested in knowing: * What kind of training or certifications might be needed * Which government offices that I would need to register with o Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which offices * Are there break points where you either need training or don't o Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) * Anything else you experienced folks happen to know. Thanks in advance, Tim ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
Yep, I do. Maybe Miltary or other DoD contractors, but you may own the leased of the corp space, but still do not own the frequencies within. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their corporate space. If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your network, but you should not be able to interfere with other operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or leave, but that’s another issue. lol Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every time the deauthing activity is. https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged for Internet (and a lot at that). Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests. Sounds like security is a viable defense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You cannot do it at all…. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other reasons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue
