Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FYI, Mikrotik makes a whole line of actual switches called the CRS line... 
These are switches with a smaller/weaker RouterOS CPU/Processor... 

Perfectly good for line rate switching, and a small amount of Routing 
(management ? ) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Colton Conor" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 3:25:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

> Daniel,
> What functions would I want in RouterOS that are no in SwOS for this
> application? Can RouterOS devices be turned into a switch, and operate at full
> line speed rates? 1 Gbps in and out?

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Dan Harling < harl...@capeanncomm.com > wrote:

>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor < colton.co...@gmail.com > 
>> wrote:

>> > - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but
>> > not required.
>> > - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these 
>> > ports.
>> > - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> > - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> > - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> > - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> > can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> > - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> > - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> > - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might 
>> > be
>> > hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.


>> > So far, options that come to mind are:

>> > https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not
>> > sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS.
>> > Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it
>> > support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.

>> There have been several updates to SwOS over the past couple years
>> (currently at 1.17), but I would recommend a 2011, 3011, or CRS--all
>> of which run RouterOS--over a SwOS device. ROS has far, far more
>> features that you would want to have in this situation. (I only use
>> SwOS for passive PoE distribution: RB260GSP.)

>> Daniel Harling <><
>> Engineering, Cape Ann Communications
>> 183 Main Street, Gloucester, MA 01930
>> 978-879-7744 (cell)
>> harl...@capeanncomm.com
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Bryce Duchcherer]

Cisco ME3400. There is a 12-port Ethernet/sfp combo version.

Bryce Duchcherer
NETAGO

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Of Colton Conor
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:44
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU 
applications. This is a garden style community where each building has between 
4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the property. 
We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building to each unit. 
This central point would either be in the attic, or on the side of the exterior 
wall in some type of enclosure.

 Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend room. 
The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router, and an 
uplink to the internet.

We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then the 
could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in directly to 
the wall.

I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally this 
switch needs to have:

- At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but not 
required.
- 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these ports.
- SNMP For remote monitoring
- CLI or some sort of web based remote management
- Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
- Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers can 
see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
- Rate limiting for each individual port
- Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
- We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might be 
hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.


So far, options that come to mind are:

https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not sure 
about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS. Feature 
set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it support 
Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of the 
Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so might be 
overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used a passive 
poe injector to still power it remotely?

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks like its 
basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this model supports 
PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber slack management 
like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE injector to power 
unit.

I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet ports on 
it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most outdoor ONT's 
are like $250+ each.


What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per building 
max.






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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Gino Villarini]

Yes, we use it extensively on MDUs .  Good gear, no major issues

From: > on behalf 
of Colton Conor >



Gino Villarini


President
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Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 8:33 PM
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

Gino,

Do you have any expierence with that Planet switch? I believe its this one: 
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48527#ov  Price point looks 
great at $118 
https://planetechusa.com/gsd-1002m-ipv6-managed-8-port-10-100-1000mbps-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-gigabit-desktop-ethernet-switch-poe-pd-external-pwr/

How is Planet's OS compared to the other solutions?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
Planet has a nice managed 8 Gige 2 SFP port SW you can power with POE, GS-1002 
or somethink like that… iirc $150 price

From: > on behalf 
of Colton Conor >



Gino Villarini


President
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Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price, but 
the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely powered by 
POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP and GIG-e ports. 
The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware there are copper 
SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require a larger case, take 
up more power, and space. I don't think this is an valid option for this 
environment.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski 
> wrote:
Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.

Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.

But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
10Gb uplinks.
They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
from it.

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way > wrote:
>
> They come in all shapes and sizes.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
>
> You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
>
> If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. They 
> have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like on 
> device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them from 
> TAC if that wets your whistle.
>


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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Saurabh Nagpal]

Yes it's our new launch  I will just share data sheet with you in while.
Saurabh 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 02-Nov-2016, at 9:24 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> Saurabh,
> 
> Thank you for the information. You have some interesting products to say the 
> least. Basically, it looks like low cost pon solutions which is what I am 
> looking for.
> 
> Can you provide more information on "The 8 port out door switch ONU allows 
> you to give Ethernet ports to customers house and option has reversed POE"? I 
> do not see this on your website. 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Saurabh Nagpal  
>> wrote:
>> Hello Colton ,
>> REVO has all the solutions in FTTH application including 24 port MDU with 
>> the voice feature L2 managed 
>> http://multilink.us/REVO-624FE-24FXS-24-Port-24-FXS-ONU_p_910.html
>> 
>> You can drop cat 5 to customer house and draw voice too in same port in 
>> analogue format.
>> 
>> In case you want to use any other switch  like Mikrotik we have solutions so 
>> that you can use EMS based OLT switch at central location which allows you 
>> to create point to multipoint distribution network on passive fibre without 
>> carrying power.
>> http://multilink.us/REVO-612-OLT-2-Ports_p_909.html
>> 
>>  And use SFP https://routerboard.com/SFPONU
>> To act Mikrotik or Cisco as ONU if it has SFP slot.
>> 
>> 
>> But in case you want to use Indoor or outdoor ONU the options are many 
>> 
>> The 8 port out door switch ONU allows you to give Ethernet ports to 
>> customers house and option has reversed POE , so power is drown from any of 
>> the customer drops. So no need to arrange power at drop location.
>> 
>> http://multilink.us/GPON-Basic-Link-_b_2.html
>> 
>> You can just use fast connector and splitter using a clever in case You 
>> don't want to use FUSION Splicer although we have that too . Cost is very 
>> reasonable.
>> Offer can be given as on revenue sharing model also for the entire equipment 
>> cost as we are confident of the solution which perfectly works and gives 
>> performance too.
>> We are able experts in this case
>> Also Miikrotik master distributors 
>> 
>> We can guide you more about it weather you want to use just switches or ONU 
>> Please call us or drop a mail 
>> Saurabh 
>> Multilink Solutions Inc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 02-Nov-2016, at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU 
>>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has 
>>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the 
>>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building 
>>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the 
>>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure. 
>>> 
>>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend 
>>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router, 
>>> and an uplink to the internet. 
>>> 
>>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then 
>>> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in 
>>> directly to the wall. 
>>> 
>>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally 
>>> this switch needs to have:
>>> 
>>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but 
>>> not required. 
>>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these 
>>> ports. 
>>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers 
>>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred. 
>>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might 
>>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>> 
>>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not 
>>> sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS. 
>>> Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it 
>>> support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>> 
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of the 
>>> Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so 
>>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used 
>>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?  
>>> 
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks like 
>>> its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this model 
>>> supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't 

Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Saurabh,

Thank you for the information. You have some interesting products to say
the least. Basically, it looks like low cost pon solutions which is what I
am looking for.

Can you provide more information on "The 8 port out door switch ONU allows
you to give Ethernet ports to customers house and option has reversed POE"?
I do not see this on your website.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Saurabh Nagpal 
wrote:

> Hello Colton ,
> REVO has all the solutions in FTTH application including 24 port MDU with
> the voice feature L2 managed
> http://multilink.us/REVO-624FE-24FXS-24-Port-24-FXS-ONU_p_910.html
>
> You can drop cat 5 to customer house and draw voice too in same port in
> analogue format.
>
> In case you want to use any other switch  like Mikrotik we have solutions
> so that you can use EMS based OLT switch at central location which allows
> you to create point to multipoint distribution network on passive fibre
> without carrying power.
> http://multilink.us/REVO-612-OLT-2-Ports_p_909.html
>
>  And use SFP https://routerboard.com/SFPONU
> To act Mikrotik or Cisco as ONU if it has SFP slot.
>
>
> But in case you want to use Indoor or outdoor ONU the options are many
>
> The 8 port out door switch ONU allows you to give Ethernet ports to
> customers house and option has reversed POE , so power is drown from any of
> the customer drops. So no need to arrange power at drop location.
>
> http://multilink.us/GPON-Basic-Link-_b_2.html
>
> You can just use fast connector and splitter using a clever in case You
> don't want to use FUSION Splicer although we have that too . Cost is very
> reasonable.
> Offer can be given as on revenue sharing model also for the entire
> equipment cost as we are confident of the solution which perfectly works
> and gives performance too.
> We are able experts in this case
> Also Miikrotik master distributors
>
> We can guide you more about it weather you want to use just switches or
> ONU
> Please call us or drop a mail
> Saurabh
> Multilink Solutions Inc
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 02-Nov-2016, at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>
> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Saurabh Nagpal]

Hello Colton ,
REVO has all the solutions in FTTH application including 24 port MDU with the 
voice feature L2 managed 
http://multilink.us/REVO-624FE-24FXS-24-Port-24-FXS-ONU_p_910.html

You can drop cat 5 to customer house and draw voice too in same port in 
analogue format.

In case you want to use any other switch  like Mikrotik we have solutions so 
that you can use EMS based OLT switch at central location which allows you to 
create point to multipoint distribution network on passive fibre without 
carrying power.
http://multilink.us/REVO-612-OLT-2-Ports_p_909.html

 And use SFP https://routerboard.com/SFPONU
To act Mikrotik or Cisco as ONU if it has SFP slot.


But in case you want to use Indoor or outdoor ONU the options are many 

The 8 port out door switch ONU allows you to give Ethernet ports to customers 
house and option has reversed POE , so power is drown from any of the customer 
drops. So no need to arrange power at drop location.

http://multilink.us/GPON-Basic-Link-_b_2.html

You can just use fast connector and splitter using a clever in case You don't 
want to use FUSION Splicer although we have that too . Cost is very reasonable.
Offer can be given as on revenue sharing model also for the entire equipment 
cost as we are confident of the solution which perfectly works and gives 
performance too.
We are able experts in this case
Also Miikrotik master distributors 

We can guide you more about it weather you want to use just switches or ONU 
Please call us or drop a mail 
Saurabh 
Multilink Solutions Inc



Sent from my iPhone

> On 02-Nov-2016, at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU 
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has 
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the 
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building 
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the side 
> of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure. 
> 
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend 
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router, and 
> an uplink to the internet. 
> 
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then 
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in directly 
> to the wall. 
> 
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally this 
> switch needs to have:
> 
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but 
> not required. 
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these ports. 
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers can 
> see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred. 
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might be 
> hard however to get power to the attic or side of building. 
> 
> 
> So far, options that come to mind are:
> 
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not 
> sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS. 
> Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it 
> support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of the 
> Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so might 
> be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used a 
> passive poe injector to still power it remotely?  
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks like 
> its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this model 
> supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber slack 
> management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE 
> injector to power unit. 
> 
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet ports 
> on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most outdoor 
> ONT's are like $250+ each. 
> 
> 
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per 
> building max. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Gino,

Do you have any expierence with that Planet switch? I believe its this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48527#ov  Price point
looks great at $118
https://planetechusa.com/gsd-1002m-ipv6-managed-8-port-10-100-1000mbps-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-gigabit-desktop-ethernet-switch-poe-pd-external-pwr/

How is Planet's OS compared to the other solutions?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Planet has a nice managed 8 Gige 2 SFP port SW you can power with POE,
> GS-1002 or somethink like that… iirc $150 price
>
> From:  on behalf of Colton Conor <
> colton.co...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch
>
> I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price,
> but the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely
> powered by POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP
> and GIG-e ports. The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware
> there are copper SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require
> a larger case, take up more power, and space. I don't think this is an
> valid option for this environment.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski 
> wrote:
>
>> Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.
>>
>> Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s
>> in my home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
>> They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.
>>
>> But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with
>> the 10Gb uplinks.
>> They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing
>> much at L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
>> The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay
>> away from it.
>>
>> > On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
>> >
>> > They come in all shapes and sizes.
>> >
>> > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750
>> -series-switches/models-comparison.html
>> >
>> > You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have
>> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use
>> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
>> >
>> > If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great.
>> They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like
>> on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them
>> from TAC if that wets your whistle.
>> >
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Eric Tykwinski]

Sorry,

The 3750E was just an aside, as yes it won’t do PoE input or anything else.
RB3011, not the greatest stats, but might fit the bill:

Tested ambient temperature  -30 + 70 C
PoE in  Yes

ModeConfiguration   1518 byte   512 byte64 byte
kppsMbpskppsMbpskppsMbps
Bridgingnone (fast path)325.0   3,946.8 939.8   3,849.4 1,530.2 
783.5
Bridging25 bridge filter rules  325.0   3,946.8 384.2   1,573.7 348.6   
178.5
Routing none (fast path)325.0   3,946.8 939.8   3,849.4 1,437.6 736.1
Routing 25 simple queues325.0   3,946.8 419.6   1,718.7 419.7   214.9
Routing 25 ip filter rules  202.0   2,453.1 204.1   836.0   188.4   96.5

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price, but 
> the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely powered by 
> POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP and GIG-e 
> ports. The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware there are 
> copper SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require a larger 
> case, take up more power, and space. I don't think this is an valid option 
> for this environment. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski  wrote:
> Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.
> 
> Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
> home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
> They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.
> 
> But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
> 10Gb uplinks.
> They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
> L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
> The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
> from it.
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
> >
> > They come in all shapes and sizes.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
> >
> > You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> > suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> > different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
> >
> > If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. 
> > They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like 
> > on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them 
> > from TAC if that wets your whistle.
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Gino Villarini]

Planet has a nice managed 8 Gige 2 SFP port SW you can power with POE, GS-1002 
or somethink like that… iirc $150 price

From: > on behalf 
of Colton Conor >



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Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price, but 
the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely powered by 
POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP and GIG-e ports. 
The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware there are copper 
SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require a larger case, take 
up more power, and space. I don't think this is an valid option for this 
environment.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski 
> wrote:
Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.

Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.

But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
10Gb uplinks.
They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
from it.

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way > wrote:
>
> They come in all shapes and sizes.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
>
> You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
>
> If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. They 
> have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like on 
> device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them from 
> TAC if that wets your whistle.
>


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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price,
but the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely
powered by POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP
and GIG-e ports. The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware
there are copper SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require
a larger case, take up more power, and space. I don't think this is an
valid option for this environment.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski 
wrote:

> Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.
>
> Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in
> my home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
> They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.
>
> But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with
> the 10Gb uplinks.
> They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much
> at L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
> The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay
> away from it.
>
> > On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
> >
> > They come in all shapes and sizes.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-
> 3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
> >
> > You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have
> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use
> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
> >
> > If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great.
> They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like
> on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them
> from TAC if that wets your whistle.
> >
>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Sean Heskett]

we've always used https://planetechusa.com

planet switches are easy to use, very affordable and you can get them in
industrial versions that are temp hardened.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Which distributor do you recommend for planet switches?
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> planet
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>>
>>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>>
>>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>>> directly to the wall.
>>>
>>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>>> this switch needs to have:
>>>
>>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>>> but not required.
>>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>>> ports.
>>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other
>>> subscribers can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required.
>>> Might be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>>
>>>
>>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>>
>>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>>
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>>>
>>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
>>> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
>>> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
>>> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
>>> injector to power unit.
>>>
>>> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
>>> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
>>> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>>>
>>>
>>> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
>>> building max.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Eric Tykwinski]

Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.

Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.  

But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
10Gb uplinks.
They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
from it. 

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
> 
> They come in all shapes and sizes.
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
> 
> You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
> 
> If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. They 
> have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like on 
> device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them from 
> TAC if that wets your whistle.
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Tim Way]

They come in all shapes and sizes.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html

You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have
suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use
different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.

If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great.
They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like
on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them
from TAC if that wets your whistle.

On Nov 2, 2016 3:52 PM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Isn't a Cisco 3750 switch a 24 or 48 port switch? I would think that would
> be overkill since I only need 4 to 8 ports?
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
>> INC 5000 #2593
>> CRN Fast Growth #105
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
>> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
>> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
>> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
>> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
>> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
>> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
>> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
>> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
>> On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>
>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>
>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>
>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>> directly to the wall.
>>
>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>> this switch needs to have:
>>
>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>> but not required.
>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>> ports.
>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>
>>
>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>
>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
>> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
>> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
>> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
>> injector to power unit.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
>> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
>> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>>
>>
>> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
>> building max.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Mike,

I agree with you on price point and functionality, but the form factor is a
concern. By the looks of the switch, it is not temperature hardened. Plus,
there is no way to remotely power it. Meaning I have to get the landlord to
supply power to wherever I am putting this switch.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Mike Francis 
wrote:

> For the price, functionality and stability I think it is a very good
> choice... Especially if you are going to do more of these, then standardize
> on something. Who cares if it has too many ports.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-Catalyst-3750-24-Port-
> Ethernet-Switch-WS-C3750-24TS-S-/262701129682?hash=item3d2a351fd2:g:
> bPAAAOSwXeJYGPZy
>
> Regards,
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
> INC 5000 #2593
> CRN Fast Growth #105
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
> On 11/2/2016 3:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Isn't a Cisco 3750 switch a 24 or 48 port switch? I would think that would
> be overkill since I only need 4 to 8 ports?
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
>> INC 5000 #2593
>> CRN Fast Growth #105
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
>> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
>> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
>> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
>> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
>> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
>> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
>> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
>> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
>> On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>
>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>
>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>
>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>> directly to the wall.
>>
>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>> this switch needs to have:
>>
>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>> but not required.
>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>> ports.
>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>
>>
>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>
>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>> a passive poe 

Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Mike Francis]

For the price, functionality and stability I think it is a very good 
choice... Especially if you are going to do more of these, then 
standardize on something. Who cares if it has too many ports.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-Catalyst-3750-24-Port-Ethernet-Switch-WS-C3750-24TS-S-/262701129682?hash=item3d2a351fd2:g:bPAAAOSwXeJYGPZy

Regards,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

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anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 11/2/2016 3:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

Mike,

Isn't a Cisco 3750 switch a 24 or 48 port switch? I would think that 
would be overkill since I only need 4 to 8 ports?


On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:


We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069 
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives.
Do good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends
and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be
forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make
you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend
years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People
who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help them
anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt.
Give the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for
an MDU applications. This is a garden style community where each
building has between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There
are 15  buildings on the property. We would run a new CAT6 drop
from a central point in the building to each unit. This central
point would either be in the attic, or on the side of the
exterior wall in some type of enclosure.

 Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a
headend room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber
switch, a router, and an uplink to the internet.

We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit,
and then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their
computer in directly to the wall.

I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and
ideally this switch needs to have:

- At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy
chaining, but not required.
- 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on
these ports.
- SNMP For remote monitoring
- CLI or some sort of web based remote management
- Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
- Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other
subscribers can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
- Rate limiting for each individual port
- Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
- We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not
required. Might be hard however to get power to the attic or side
of building.


So far, options that come to mind are:

https://routerboard.com/RB260GS 
for $36. Looks like a good option, but not sure about SwitchOS.
Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS. Feature set
seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it
support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/
 $72. Double the
price of the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a
router than switch so might be overkill for application. NO
Poe-IN power option, but could I used a passive poe injector to
still power it remotely?

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
 The EP-R6 is about
$105. Looks like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an
outdoor case, and this 

Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Mike,

Isn't a Cisco 3750 switch a 24 or 48 port switch? I would think that would
be overkill since I only need 4 to 8 ports?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Mike Francis 
wrote:

> We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
> INC 5000 #2593
> CRN Fast Growth #105
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
> On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>
> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Mike Francis]

We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an 
MDU applications. This is a garden style community where each building 
has between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15 
 buildings on the property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a 
central point in the building to each unit. This central point would 
either be in the attic, or on the side of the exterior wall in some 
type of enclosure.


 Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a 
headend room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber 
switch, a router, and an uplink to the internet.


We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and 
then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer 
in directly to the wall.


I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and 
ideally this switch needs to have:


- At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy 
chaining, but not required.
- 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these 
ports.

- SNMP For remote monitoring
- CLI or some sort of web based remote management
- Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
- Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other 
subscribers can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink

- Rate limiting for each individual port
- Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
- We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. 
Might be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.



So far, options that come to mind are:

https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but 
not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve 
switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation 
options? Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.


https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price 
of the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than 
switch so might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, 
but could I used a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?


https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks 
like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and 
this model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have 
any fiber slack management like the other units in the edgepoint 
lineup. Includes POE injector to power unit.


I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet 
ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, 
most outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.



What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per 
building max.









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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Sean,

Which distributor do you recommend for planet switches?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> planet
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>
>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>
>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>> directly to the wall.
>>
>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>> this switch needs to have:
>>
>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>> but not required.
>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>> ports.
>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>
>>
>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>
>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
>> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
>> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
>> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
>> injector to power unit.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
>> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
>> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>>
>>
>> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
>> building max.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Netonix switches look nice, but at $249 for the 8 port with SFP uplink
that's a bit pricy compared to the other options. I really don't need at
the POE functionality that the Netonix switches provide.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:

> Netonix switches.
>
> On Nov 2, 2016 12:43 PM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:
>
>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>
>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>
>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>> directly to the wall.
>>
>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>> this switch needs to have:
>>
>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>> but not required.
>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>> ports.
>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>
>>
>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>
>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
>> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
>> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
>> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
>> injector to power unit.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
>> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
>> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>>
>>
>> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
>> building max.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Sean Heskett]

planet


On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Chadwick Wachs]

Netonix switches.

On Nov 2, 2016 12:43 PM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Daniel,

What functions would I want in RouterOS that are no in SwOS for this
application? Can RouterOS devices be turned into a switch, and operate at
full line speed rates? 1 Gbps in and out?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Dan Harling  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> >
> > - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but
> > not required.
> > - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> > - SNMP For remote monitoring
> > - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> > - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> > - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> > can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> > - Rate limiting for each individual port
> > - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> > - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required.
> Might be
> > hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
> >
> >
> > So far, options that come to mind are:
> >
> > https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not
> > sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS.
> > Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it
> > support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> There have been several updates to SwOS over the past couple years
> (currently at 1.17), but I would recommend a 2011, 3011, or CRS--all
> of which run RouterOS--over a SwOS device.  ROS has far, far more
> features that you would want to have in this situation.  (I only use
> SwOS for passive PoE distribution: RB260GSP.)
>
> Daniel Harling  <><
> Engineering, Cape Ann Communications
> 183 Main Street, Gloucester, MA  01930
> 978-879-7744 (cell)
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

Shawn,

We would prefer to run CAT5 or CAT6 instead of fiber due to cost. The cost
of the cable and install is about the same, but the cost of splicing and
electronics is widely different. With fiber, you are talking about a cost
of at least $40 per unit for the most basic fiber ONT or media convert with
1 optical in and 1 electrical Gig-e out. So with a building of 8 units you
are looking at $320. Not to mention you either have to have a OLT in the
case of GPON/EPON, or a multi port fiber switch if using media converts. If
you go with a media converter option like the IgniteNet Fiber Switch and
their media convert, you then have to buy an SFP for each side as well.
Plus you have to have a SFP for both the swith and media convert. All for
the same 1G electrical handoff. I would think fiber to the unit would cost
at least 4x the cost.




On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Shawn C. Peppers <
videodirectwispal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you going to run a new cat5 why wouldn't you just do a FTTH
> application?  Anyways You can pick up decent cisco switches on ebay.  I use
> all cisco on my mdu applications.
>
> Shawn C. Peppers
> Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
> 866-680-8433 Toll Free
> 480-287-9960 Fax
> http://www.video-direct.tv
>
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>
> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
> and an uplink to the internet.
>
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
> directly to the wall.
>
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
> this switch needs to have:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
> but not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
> ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
> injector to power unit.
>
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>
>
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
> building max.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Dan Harling]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but
> not required.
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these ports.
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might be
> hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>
>
> So far, options that come to mind are:
>
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not
> sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS.
> Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it
> support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.

There have been several updates to SwOS over the past couple years
(currently at 1.17), but I would recommend a 2011, 3011, or CRS--all
of which run RouterOS--over a SwOS device.  ROS has far, far more
features that you would want to have in this situation.  (I only use
SwOS for passive PoE distribution: RB260GSP.)

Daniel Harling  <><
Engineering, Cape Ann Communications
183 Main Street, Gloucester, MA  01930
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Shawn C. Peppers]

If you going to run a new cat5 why wouldn't you just do a FTTH application?  
Anyways You can pick up decent cisco switches on ebay.  I use all cisco on my 
mdu applications. 

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment
866-680-8433 Toll Free
480-287-9960 Fax
http://www.video-direct.tv

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU 
> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has 
> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the 
> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building 
> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the side 
> of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure. 
> 
>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend 
> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router, and 
> an uplink to the internet. 
> 
> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then 
> the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in directly 
> to the wall. 
> 
> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally this 
> switch needs to have:
> 
> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but 
> not required. 
> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these ports. 
> - SNMP For remote monitoring
> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers can 
> see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
> - Rate limiting for each individual port
> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred. 
> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might be 
> hard however to get power to the attic or side of building. 
> 
> 
> So far, options that come to mind are:
> 
> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not 
> sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS. 
> Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it 
> support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of the 
> Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so might 
> be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used a 
> passive poe injector to still power it remotely?  
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks like 
> its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this model 
> supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber slack 
> management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE 
> injector to power unit. 
> 
> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet ports 
> on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most outdoor 
> ONT's are like $250+ each. 
> 
> 
> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per 
> building max. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Colton Conor]

I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.

 Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
and an uplink to the internet.

We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and then
the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
directly to the wall.

I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
this switch needs to have:

- At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining, but
not required.
- 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
ports.
- SNMP For remote monitoring
- CLI or some sort of web based remote management
- Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
- Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
- Rate limiting for each individual port
- Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
- We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.


So far, options that come to mind are:

https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but not
sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve switchOS.
Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options? Says it
support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of the
Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks like
its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this model
supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber slack
management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
injector to power unit.

I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet ports
on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most outdoor
ONT's are like $250+ each.


What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
building max.
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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

[Kevin Neal]

The ability to "steer" PD's is where we are having issues.  We can allow
DHCP-PD to just run and let customers get IPv6 addresses just fine, they
can even change as often as the protocol would like.  We just need the
ability to tie the customers PD lease to a customer.  We can parse the link
local address or the DUID for a MAC but there are some devices out there
that don't have the MAC encoded in either the link local or the DUID.  Once
we're able to tie these PD's to a customer then we can perform the access
control and appropriate bandwidth shaping at the edge.





On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> *sigh*
>
>
>
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>
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> 
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> 
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> *To: *wireless@wispa.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 6:04:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?
>
>
> The sooner you realize that IPv6 was a practical joke, the better off
> you'll be.
>
> On 11/1/2016 4:51 PM, Art Stephens wrote:
>
> OK.. so we can not use static addressing then...
>
> So I programmed a Mikrotik to do DHCP-PD and connected it to our server
> network.
> [admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 dhcp-server> pr
> Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, I - invalid
>  #NAME   INTERFACE ADDRESS-POOL PREFERENCE
> LEASE-TIME
>  0server1ether2pool1   255 3d
>
> Flags: D - dynamic
>  #   NAMEPREFIX  PRE EXPIRES-AFTER
>
>  0   pool1   ::3::/60 64
>
>
> I gave that Mikrotik an address in the IPV6 address space.
> [admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 address> pr
> Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, D - dynamic, G - global, L - link-local
>  #ADDRESS FROM-POOL INTERFACE
> ADVERTISE
>  0  G ::0:32::77/64 ether2
>  yes
>  1 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa7/64   ether3  no
>
>  2 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa6/64   ether2  no
>
>
> I can ping from ::0:32::77 from our office router
> (::0:32::32)
> I can not ping ::0:32::77from my office desk which can ping other
> addresses on that network.
>
> And when I set the customer ASUS router to native IPV6 DHCP-PD enabled and
> plug it into the server network.
> Nothing happens.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
>
>> Art,
>>
>> Are you talking about the DHCPv6-PD allocation ranged I talked about? If
>> so those prefixes are intentionally different than what would be present in
>> the routing table. Those prefixes would normally be injected into the tower
>> agent by the router performing DHCP relaying and / or the DHCPv6-PD server.
>> If you are just labbing add the customer prefix to to the router where
>> appropriate.
>>
>> As far as routing protocols you will only be able to use EIGRP, OSPF,
>> RIPv6 and BGP.
>>
>> You likely want the relay agent, tower router, to learn the routes. In
>> Cisco land you have to tell the router to snoop on the DHCP packet it
>> relays and to inject the route.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2016 6:03 PM, "Art Stephens"  wrote:
>>
>>> So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using
>>> OSPFv3 only.
>>>
>>> Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and
>>> virtual works.
>>>
>>> But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer
>>> no luck.
>>>
>>> I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the
>>> router.
>>>
>>> The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik.
>>> Can only ping directly connected devices though.
>>> I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can
>>> not ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same
>>> PC that works if I plug directly in.
>>>
>>> IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static
>>> configs.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or is anyone else running into this?
>>> If you solved it care to share?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Senior Networking Technician
>>> Ptera Inc.
>>> PO Box 135
>>> 24001 E Mission Suite 50
>>> Liberty Lake, WA 99019
>>> 509-927-7837
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>>>  

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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

[Mike Hammett]

*sigh* 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 6:04:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!? 


The sooner you realize that IPv6 was a practical joke, the better off you'll 
be. 

On 11/1/2016 4:51 PM, Art Stephens wrote: 



OK.. so we can not use static addressing then... 


So I programmed a Mikrotik to do DHCP-PD and connected it to our server 
network. 

[admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 dhcp-server> pr 
Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, I - invalid 
# NAME INTERFACE ADDRESS-POOL PREFERENCE LEASE-TIME 
0 server1 ether2 pool1 255 3d 

Flags: D - dynamic 
# NAME PREFIX PRE EXPIRES-AFTER 
0 pool1 ::3::/60 64 




I gave that Mikrotik an address in the IPV6 address space. 

[admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 address> pr 
Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, D - dynamic, G - global, L - link-local 
# ADDRESS FROM-POOL INTERFACE ADVERTISE 
0 G ::0:32::77/64 ether2 yes 
1 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa7/64 ether3 no 
2 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa6/64 ether2 no 


I can ping from ::0:32::77 from our office router (::0:32::32) 
I can not ping ::0:32::77from my office desk which can ping other 
addresses on that network. 


And when I set the customer ASUS router to native IPV6 DHCP-PD enabled and plug 
it into the server network. 
Nothing happens. 






On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Tim Way < t...@way.vg > wrote: 



Art, 
Are you talking about the DHCPv6-PD allocation ranged I talked about? If so 
those prefixes are intentionally different than what would be present in the 
routing table. Those prefixes would normally be injected into the tower agent 
by the router performing DHCP relaying and / or the DHCPv6-PD server. If you 
are just labbing add the customer prefix to to the router where appropriate. 
As far as routing protocols you will only be able to use EIGRP, OSPF, RIPv6 and 
BGP. 
You likely want the relay agent, tower router, to learn the routes. In Cisco 
land you have to tell the router to snoop on the DHCP packet it relays and to 
inject the route. 
Tim 


On Oct 28, 2016 6:03 PM, "Art Stephens" < asteph...@ptera.com > wrote: 



So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using OSPFv3 
only. 


Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and virtual 
works. 


But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer no luck. 


I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the router. 


The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik. 

Can only ping directly connected devices though. 
I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can not 
ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same PC that 
works if I plug directly in. 



IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static 
configs. 


Is it just me or is anyone else running into this? 
If you solved it care to share? 





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