Re: [WISPA] Jay Fuller

[Cameron Crum]

Good time to go car shopping if you don't mind a few hail dings. It's
amazing how well some of those hail ding repair places do in getting most
of them out.



On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:11 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> Cullman mostly took hail damage.  SERIOUS hail damage.  Some company
> vehicles in bad shape.
> Lots of our business districts are closed with roof damage and word is
> unable to reopen.
> Additionally several car lots have millions in damaged inventory.
>
> How are ya'll coping in west GA?
> Not much power problems or infrastructure problems really.  Network is
> fine...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* ralph 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2018 11:03 PM
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Jay Fuller
>
> Saw a tornado in Falkville just now.
>
> Hope you guys are OK, since you are close.
>
> We have had some serious ones here in West GA tonight.
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Re: [WISPA] A sad day for All

[Cameron Crum]

Always a great guy to be around. So sad and so young really.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Eric Sooter  wrote:

> This is very sad news.Being a Platypus user,  I had quite a few
> enjoyable talks with him at his WISPA booth during conferences.   He was a
> great guy.   My condolences and prayers go out to his family.
>
> Eric Sooter
> The Junction Internet LLC
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 11:09 AM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations wrote:
>
> Hello
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>
> WISPA is saddened to learn of the passing on September 19, 2016 of longtime
> WISPA member and good friend Grant Spradling. Grant was involved in an
> accident a few days ago and succumbed to his injuries. Our hearts and
> prayers go out to Jennifer and the rest of the Spradling family.  If you
> would like to help the family, a Go Fund Me page has been set 
> up.https://www.gofundme.com/2pr6z5sk?ssid=743233687
>   =1
>
>
>
> The world has lost a little of its sparkle with the passing of Grant, we
> will miss him.
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Trina Coffey
>
> Director of Operations
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Cameron Crum]

Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
actual subscribers in tracts.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Chris Fabien" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>> them shortly.
>>
>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adair Winter" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>>
>>> *shrug*
>>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [WISPA] security certificate

[Cameron Crum]

SSLs.com $4.99/year

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Jon Hebb j...@hebbnetworks.com wrote:

 You can find a 1-Yr Comodo PositveSSL Wildcard cert for less than $100
 online if you search around, which would be more than enough to install on
 your AP's.

 On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 There ya go!  Slap on DNS and that goes away.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 19, 2014 1:28 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

 http://www.netcentraldomains.com

 $209 per year.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Few hundred?  I remember them being crazy expensive.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 19, 2014 10:08 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:

 Or you can buy a wildcard for a few hundred dollars and use it on all
 your devices.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Pay for a certified SSL cert for each host.  That's 50/device/year.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 17, 2014 5:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Ignore it.



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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  There is a problem with this website's security certificate.

 How do I correct this problem? I get this almost every time I log in
 to a Ubiquiti radio.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

[Cameron Crum]

Might have already been mentioned, but Patrick Fidell
pfid...@bandwidthsolutions.com.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:16 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Marcus at giglynx
 On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 There's a few WISPA members that perform those services.



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

 Does anyone have some contacts?

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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Cameron Crum]

Kristian et al,

While the ogr2ogr would work, this would require having the blocks in
individual shape files if you wanted only a few. I think you can only get
them as a shape (for free anyway) by whole state...could be wrong. That
would either create a very large kml, which may not load in a google map,
or could eat a lot of memory in google earth. i.e. Texas has almost 1
million blocks. I'm not sure you could load that many objects into either
program although I haven't tried. Using a GIS tool to only select the ones
you need and export to KML might be a better approach for those only
needing a few blocks mapped. It might be well worth the time to have Brian
or another GIS competent person do it for you.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
wrote:

  Specifically...

 ogr2ogr -f output.kml input.shp

 -Kristian


 On 08/11/2014 09:00 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

 ogr2ogr will do all sorts of Geo formats, geojson, tiger shape, kml, kmz.


 On 08/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Cameron Crum]

How dies this show you the census block boundary?


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Torin Dow t...@airspan.com wrote:

 Here is a link to a website that allows you to upload a spreadsheet so
 that you can view the information in Google Earth:

 http://www.earthpoint.us/ExcelToKml.aspx

 It tells you what columns are required and you can even pick what icons,
 colors, sizes , etc to use.

 Good luck,

 Torin

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 Mobile: (914) 582-3888
 Email: t...@airspan.com
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 Josh Luthman
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 Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Cameron Crum]

Are you sure we don't need an NDA to buy one?


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 is that price per link or per radio


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 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote:


 http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html

 The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an
 antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized
 radio-only version (B5c). The B5 (*List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c*)
 will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014.

 Brett Woollum
 Senior Sales Engineer
 br...@tekify.com

 *Tekify Broadband Internet Services*
 Web: http://www.tekify.com
 Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200

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 where is price on this? cant find it on website

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 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote:

 Joe  Adair

  Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am
 PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the
 Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow.

  2 more hours guys!

  Cheers!

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  What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly
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   http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html



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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

Sam,

I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything
over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the
service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the
amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount
of the service or product.

Cameron



On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you
 are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your
 customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are
 exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it
 you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of
 that charge. Or is that not the way it works?

 Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through
 that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all
 around Omaha NE.

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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

Not that simple either. Since taxes for different items on an invoice can
be taxed differently, it gets more complex.
On Jun 4, 2014 7:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 Ok. That was a somewhat legit question. :). So it's invoice total not
 service total.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
 wrote:

 It would go by the Account/invoice

 Sate of Texas/ Tax Dept. spells out rather clearly in detail on how
 they want this type of situation handled.

 If you want to know, just google for State of Texas Communication Taxes ...


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 *Sent: *Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:51:55 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

 What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each?  What
 happens then?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 Sam,

 I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything
 over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the
 service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the
 amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount
 of the service or product.

 Cameron



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 Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you
 are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your
 customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are
 exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it
 you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of
 that charge. Or is that not the way it works?

 Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through
 that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

I think there are only two states that were grandfathered under that act.
Texas is one of them and I think, OH.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
wrote:

 Varies by State..
 I will suggest that you do some reading, googleing, start with Wikipedia..

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act

 and also consult your state's tax site / office etc. for more specific
 details.

 Regards.

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 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

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  Subject: [WISPA] Sales Tax
 
  Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc)
  to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by
  location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far,
  far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

[Cameron Crum]

Might check with Belwave in DFW...Brad is usually on the lists.
b...@belwave.com if you need faster response.

Cameron


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 Hit me off list thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Redirect clients

[Cameron Crum]

Most of the billing systems will do this (ours will!), but barring that,
you could use the web proxy with some firewall rules to do it in a MT
router.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

  How can I redirect slow pay clients to a Pay your bill web site.
 Is there a inexpensive way to do this?
 What do you suggest?
 Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Redirect clients

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Nat rules work as long as you have an ip. If it is a url you will need Web
proxyunless this has changed recently.
On May 14, 2014 7:56 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:

  No proxy required, just some NAT rules

 On 5/14/2014 4:28 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 Most of the billing systems will do this (ours will!), but barring that,
 you could use the web proxy with some firewall rules to do it in a MT
 router.


  On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

  How can I redirect slow pay clients to a Pay your bill web site.
 Is there a inexpensive way to do this?
 What do you suggest?
 Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

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You'll probably get a visit from the fbi soon.  We had a server penitrated
for a couple hours one day a few years back. I pulled the hd and rebuilt
the box on a new disk and tightened up my firewall. A year later I got a
visit from two agents asking about it with a warrant. I told them what
happened and gave them the hd. Luckily I just left it sitting on top of the
box all that time. Never heard anything else.

Cameron
On Apr 17, 2014 6:28 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
their own financing, you don't want to sell.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.




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 *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
 buyer (Jab) lately.


 On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


 The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
 about 1.5x annual revenue

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Eagle One Wireless e...@e1w.com
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:33 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

  We priced ours at 2.5x gross revenue. We had about 10 companies contact
 us.
 I would say 5 were serious but they wanted us to finance it so we decided
 not to sell.

 Thanks,

 Kevin Melson
 Eagle One Wireless
 1505 Hwy 72 E
 Corinth, MS 38834
 662-287-1722
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 What is the current rate for selling your ISP! I would like to sell, for
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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Doug,

The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the
other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the
terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final
judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice
for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband,
customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is
left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all
your  own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and
they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the
buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a
good buyer?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote:

  Of course!  You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start.  My
 point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or
 as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do.
 Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to
 consider.  Then is the time to say I'm only taking cash or I'll finance,
 but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me.



 Doug





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP




 Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy.

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM



 Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
 will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
 network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
 walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
 as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
 their own financing, you don't want to sell.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.





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 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
 buyer (Jab) lately.

 On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



 The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
 about 1.5x annual revenue


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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Of course there are lots of ways to get money too, besides banks. When it
comes down to it, I don't care where the money comes from, as long as it
isn't my pocket.

The guy we ended up using was an attorney and cpa and had done nothing but
put together business sales of all kinds for the last 40 years. He had
actually just retired but came back to do our deal as a favor to one of our
partners. He said a strong majority of the seller financed deals ended with
the sellers seeing less than promised for one reason or another. What he
told us was that if you are going to finance it, don't expect to ever see
anything past the down payment. Treat the financed portion like an
unexpected bonus. I followed Steve Miller's advice, Went ahead, took the
money, and ran.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com wrote:

  Next time you talk to the business attorney or accountant, ask them How
 many purchase agreements for ISPs, telecom companies, and Internet/web
 properties have you negotiated?



 I'll bet you a beer at the next WISPA show that the answer is either
 None or 1



 Doug





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *can...@believewireless.net
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:16 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 Every business attorney and accountant has told me the same thing, cash
 only.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 Doug,



 The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the
 other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the
 terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final
 judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice
 for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband,
 customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is
 left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all
 your  own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and
 they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the
 buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a
 good buyer?



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 wrote:

 Of course!  You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start.  My
 point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or
 as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do.
 Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to
 consider.  Then is the time to say I'm only taking cash or I'll finance,
 but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me.



 Doug





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM


 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP




 Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy.

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM



 Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you

Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Because there are foreclosure laws with homes, but have you ever tried
evicting someone? It can take months.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:


 Then why do people sell houses on owner financing ?

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
 Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM


 Having been a part of a deal gone bad I recommend cash up front.  Once you
 hand over the keys it's pretty hard to get it back.  If you have to go to
 Litigation you are going to be spending money out of pocket for attorneys.
  I agree with Cameron.   Cash at closing. If you don't do 100% cash at
 closing you should be prepared to not see another dime if you do anything
 else.

 I know ISPs who sold, got some money at closing, and then ended up
 spending twice that money on attorney fees and still ended up with nothing.
  Selling a business should be like selling a high dollar item.  If I was
 going to sell a car I sure wouldn't sell it on contract.   Too many things
 can go wrong.

 If I had 100% ownership in an ISP today and wanted to sell I would take a
 hit on the overall price.  If then user couldn't afford it and I really
 needed to sell for whatever reason I would simply take a lower price.  Less
 stress that way.

 Justin


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 From: Hass, Douglas A. d...@franczek.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Cameron--



 There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
 if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
 up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
 all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
 court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
 agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
 due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
 that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).



 To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
 closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
 someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
 it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
 best one.



 To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
 the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
 might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
 information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
 speakers for WISPAmerica.



 Doug



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP



 The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
 happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
 ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
 will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
 network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
 walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
 as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
 their own financing, you don't want to sell.



 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 There's many more buyers out there.





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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM


 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

 Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
 buyer (Jab) lately.

 On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



 The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
 about 1.5x annual revenue


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:2

[Cameron Crum]

Car or bag phones were 4 watts (and the old brick phones too).



On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

 On 2/23/2014 9:20 PM, Robert wrote:
  I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar to clear
  wire   I loved thinking about the power levels coming out of clear
  wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where they work for 8
  hours.

 My recollection is that the old analog cell phones were allowed 3 watts;
 hand-helds were limited to 600 milliwatts.  I was just researching the
 actual limits, reading OET Bulletin 65 on RF exposure.  It appears to me
 that the legal limit for uncontrolled exposure above 1500 MHz (e.g.,
 Clearwire) is 1 mW/cm^2.  From 300-1500, it's f/1500, so at 700 MHz (VZ
 LTE), it's about half that.

 Turning that into exposure uses this formula:

 EIRP/(4*pi*(d^2))

 So 6 watts EIRP at 1 meter gives a density of .05 mW/cm^2.  So that's
 about a tenth of the limit. But at about 30 cm, around a foot, you cross
 over the line, if I'm doing the calculations correctly.

  On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com
  mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:
 
   I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective customer.
   Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a competitor
 was
   able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so bad they
   _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology in 8
 years and
   go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover them,
 none
   of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and do
 use a 4g
   verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell phone
 rates
   from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it will
 give
   them 2x data at about the same price and will not have to be on a
   charger all the time. 900 will not reach them.  Oh well...
  Even the
   devil gets his due...
 
   Robert
 
   On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
   
Regards,
Chuck
   
   
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen 
 wi...@mncomm.com
   mailto:wi...@mncomm.com
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:
   
I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a
 town an
hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression that
 she was
going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile
 where we
are the only WISP or service around, aside from satellite or
 cell
service. Our equipment was laying by her house as she was
 away for
the day when we were there, but stated that the new
 equipment was
mounted in our old spot. So my tech took this picture and it
 said
Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the Cantenna I
 have
   seen
in the past. I am real positive that I do not have another
 WISP in
the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest
   business is a
John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT
 would not
allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses
   in the
area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one had any
   ideas
of what they could be using this for. I have had other
 customers
cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different Cantennas,
 but I
would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service, if
 that's
whats going on
   
thanks
heith
   
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 6052801...@mms.att.net
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Re: [WISPA] WISP Referral Needed in San Antonio, TX

[Cameron Crum]

What part? There are a lot of wisps down there.




On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.comwrote:

 Hi Wisps,

 I hope you are all doing well and gearing up for Thanksgiving.

 If anyone can please refer me to a local WISP in San Antonio, TX, I would
 appreciate it. I checked the WISP Directory already with no luck.

 Thanks in advance  happy holiday,


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Re: [WISPA] Help identifying this shackle

[Cameron Crum]

Why not use a load spreader instead?


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM, LaRoy McCann w...@dtisp.com wrote:

 Can anyone identify this shackle?
 I think I have seen it before on the internet but can't find it now.





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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Cameron Crum]

Or just invest in an $80 cable tension gauge. These can fit in your toolbox
or your glove compartment. Why would you want to guess at this?


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote:

 If you just need a tuner...

 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.cohortor.gstrings

 It works on guitars and violins, so I guess it'll work on your tower.
 Strange.

 -Kristian

 On 08/12/2013 10:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  You can use one of these:
  http://loosnaples.com/how-to-use-pt-series-tension-gauges
 
  Or do it by sound!
 
  All you  need is a small tape recorder and a 3 ft piece of 2 by 4 lumber.
 
  Cut two small blocks off the ends of the 2x4, and nail them to the ends
 of the long piece, on the side.  File or saw a v notch in the  small
  blocks, along the long axis, so the guy wires can sit in the  notches.
  This forms two bridges, so that when the 2x4 is placed agains  the guy
  wire, it can be plucked to produce a vibration.
 
  Now you need to calibrate the instrument.  Take a piece of the  same
  guy  wire, hang it from any tree, tower, frame, swingset, anthing  you
  can find overhead that can support about 300 lbs.  Form a loop  in the
  guy to put your foot in.
 
  If you step in the loop and hang you will tension the guy to your
  weight. (say about 200 lbs).  While under tension, perhaps from a
  friend, place the 2x4 against the wire, and pluck it like a guitar
  string.  Record the tone on your tape recorder several times. Hint:
  placing the recorder directly on the 2x4 helps capture the tone.
 
  Now, while you tension your tower guys wires, place the 2x4 against the
 guys, and pluck them in the same way, listening to the tape recorded
  tone. When the tension is the same as your weight, the tones will be
  equal.
 
  If you want to double the tension to twice your weight (say to 400 lbs),
 the tone will have to be twice the frequency. There are several ways
  to  do this.
 
  One is to make another bridge from a notched block of wood,  and place
  it at 1/2 of the original separation distance. Another (if  you have a
  sound card and microphone) is to use your computer to measure the
  frequency, and then produce one with  twice that frequency with a tone
  generator.  Record that frequency on your tape recorder,
  and use it in  the field for the 400 lb note
 
 
  Matt Hoppes
  Director of Information Technology
  Indigo Wireless
  +1 (570) 723-7312
 
  On 8/12/13 1:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I'm looking for a field expedient (read not requiring fancy tension
  meters and special equipment) to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
  are undertensioned.
 
  I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
  locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
  good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
  He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
  product.
 
  Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
  guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
  on what's good and what's bad.
 
  Any help greatly appreciated!
 
  Andris
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Cameron Crum]

http://www.shopsoundboatworks.com/losttega39.html?cmp=googleproductskw=losttega39gclid=CPfV3ue8-LgCFepZ7Aod_mYA6Q


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Bobby Burrow brbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 These work (http://amzn.to/11ZHKc5) for guy wires up to 3/8 and are
 easy to find on the web.

 Bobby

 On 8/12/2013 12:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I'm looking for a field expedient (read not requiring fancy tension
  meters and special equipment) to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
  are undertensioned.
 
  I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
  locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
  good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
  He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
  product.
 
  Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
  guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
  on what's good and what's bad.
 
  Any help greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?

[Cameron Crum]

Can you have different voltage on different ports or is it just one voltage
on all ports? It would be cool if someone could build one that took 48v in
and allowed 12/24/48 out selectively. Add in surge protection and that
would be a neat device. I'm sure it would cost a little bit, but it sure
would make things tidy. Although with a small unit like this, you could
have two or three running different voltages and probably have some ports
to spare. Not that I need such  a device anymore, but it could be cool.

Cameron


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 Price?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:27 AM
 To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?

 Looks nice for small pops,

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:35 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?

 Hi all

 anybody using this switch?

 http://tinycontrol.eu/en/kontroler,poe-switch,168,368

 Do you like it? Any feedback is appreciated


 Thank you

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[WISPA] job opening

[Cameron Crum]

A buddy of mine who contracts with the government is looking for the
following:

Housing and security are provided in addition to the pay. Any adventurous
types looking?

Required: IT Professional
Location: Kabul, Afghanistan
Assess and optimize the national IP network – Perform assessment of
backbone, recommend how to improve the configurations, train local staff
while performing the work:

• MPLS implementation
• Cisco hardware software – Consultant must have strong Cisco networking
skills
• PGP
• Routing
• Filtering

Up to 6 months
$7K- $9K$ a month tax free (See your tax advisor)
Location Kabul
Travel/local accommodation/transport provided

Hit me offlist if you or anyone you know might be interested.

Regards,

Cameron
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Re: [WISPA] Easy hotspot programs

[Cameron Crum]

We have a solution with MT and radius. Hit me off-list and I can give you
more info.

Cameron

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 This comes up time and time again, but I wonder if anyone has found an
 easy solution yet.

 I have a Mikrotik.  I used to use Wireless Orbit and they did it the way I
 expect, but with the lack of support or contact I found it too odd to use.
  I want a solution so users can easily get online via their
 phone/tablet/computer without any complication, like hotels and such.

 Does anyone know of a solution for this?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Cameron Crum]

Joe,

This has been American Towers MO since the mid 90's when I was designing
cellular networks. I not surprised it hasn't changed.

Cameron

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@cableone.netwrote:

 Rick,

 ** **

 I find it pretty odd that a company that was at the convention, which they
 paid money to be there would return calls from possible new clients. I’ve
 been waiting for a return call from a rep for about two weeks now. With the
 downturn on radio repeaters that are going away due to the new technologies
 that are out there, I would think that American Towers would consider us as
 a new “honey hole” for their lost revenue. They cannot be that busy to not
 call people back in a timely manner.

 ** **

 Just not getting the warn fuzzes here.

 ** **

 Joe Miller

 www.dslbyair.com

 228-831-8881

 ** **

 *From:* Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org]
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
 *To:* joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 ** **

 I added Beth Powers to this list and the members list today.  We also
 scheduled a Webinar on December 12th.  It is found on the WISPA homepage
 calendar.  I doubt she will answer this until next week as she is running a
 marathon tomorrow in Florida.  Go Beth!

 ** **

 *American Tower 4WISP Program 
 Webinarhttp://my.wispa.org/event/view/profile/id/17217
 *

 12/12/2012 2:00 pm EST -
 12/12/2012 3:00 pm EST
 GoToWebinar

 ** **

 ** **

 *Where there is a Wisp, there is a 
 way!http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way
 *

 ** **

 Respectfully,**

 * *

 *Rick Harnish*

 Executive Director

 WISPA

 260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

 Skype: rick.harnish.

 rharn...@wispa.org

 adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Joe Miller
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 7:46 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 ** **

 Charles,

 ** **

 Can you post it on the thread here? I’ve been waiting well over a week for
 a response from them.

 ** **

 Joe

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Spann, Chip
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 10:04 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Cc:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

 ** **

 I have their entire US inventory KML just in case anyone needs a specific
 state but doesn't get an immediate response from their rep

 Charles Spann

 (270) 779-0448

 {Sent from my iPhone}


 On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I just heard back from my rep.  Got the towers in Ohio in kml and Excel.**
 **

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Nov 9, 2012 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:**
 **

 I think they've had that for about a year now.



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 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:41:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal




 AT boasts a 4WISP program. Not sure what sparked it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 8, 2012 8:38 PM, Mike Lyon  mike.l...@gmail.com  wrote:




 Did WISPA score a deal with them or something?


 -mike

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 8, 2012, at 17:36, Joe Miller  joemiller...@cableone.net  wrote:







 I called them last week…. Still waiting on a call back from them… L






 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
 To: a...@afmug.com
 Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal



 I have my name in. Waiting on info from my rep.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote:



 Anyone has the details on this?



 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] 2 new tower linking web sites

[Cameron Crum]

Keep in mind that the profiles from heywhatsthat.com don't include clutter.
Without clutter it is difficult to get an accurate LOS.

Cameron

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Eric Williams {WISP} 
w...@williamsteldata.com wrote:

 Ops my bad here is the 2 sites

 www.towercoverage.com this is the new radio mobile site. Lots of new wisp
 tools here 

 http://wisp.heywhatsthat.com/ this Guy was a speaker at Wispalooza this
 year.


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 619-698-3904 {office}

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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Cameron Crum]

Because you are pulling more energy from a given cell. Current typically
flows in one direction at a time. If you are pulling current off of the
whole system all the time, AND pulling more from part of the system, then
there is never a chance for the system to come back to equilibrium. Think
of it like having four tanks of water each connected with siphon hoses. If
you have two hoses pulling water from one of the tanks, it will drain
faster than the other three tanks with only one hose. Your charger doesn't
realize that one cell is being drained faster as it is only looking at
total voltage across the system.

Cameron

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com wrote:

   I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now
 to small of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower.

 Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I
 was seeing 28 vdc.

 I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added
 cost, yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t
 need to burn a radio out.

 I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would
 drain it in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one
 of our EE members can explain this.

 4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most
 equipment is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc.
 Why does this not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar
 at +27 volts.

 Tim Kerns
 CV-Access, Inc.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org ; fai...@snappydsl.net
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question


 Because batteries are 27v.
 On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ?

 Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. .
  Will they work ?  maybe...
  Will they fail ?  maybe
  If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at
 UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our
 of Specs.
  Will it shorten the life of the Radio  ?   maybe...
  Will is just work fine ?   maybe.

 This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum..
 If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on
 your own ..
 If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to
 stay within the Mfg. Specs ...

 I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed
 Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky
 stuff'

 Of Course YMMV

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom

 On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with
 no load.
Obviously load will have an impact on this.
 
Justin
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
 
  That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
  so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
  seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
   27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500
 foot
  distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
 
  On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
  saying it's ideal but it works.
  27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
 
  --
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Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Cameron Crum]

Square is convenient, but expensive as far as those things go. And I'd bet
if you used it with a Euro based system, it would cost even more for the
conversion if it would even work. You might be better off negotiating a
deal with IP Pay or Pro Pay, or even Authorize.

Cameron

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote:

  Not sure if this works in Europe. https://squareup.com/


 On 10/17/2012 07:55 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:

 Hi Mike

 I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I
 guess they gave up :(

 Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly
 with them...

 Thanky ou


  I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?



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 - Original Message -
 From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it 
 paolo.difrance...@level7.it
 To: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com ch...@shelbybb.com
 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

 Hi Chuck

 first of all thank you for your considerations.

 Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as
 I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to
 start with the process they were telling me why do you want this? your
 volumes are so low, stay with paypal...
 But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start
 accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg
 problem...

 At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with
 paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with
 walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the
 feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system
 as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of
 issues...

 Thank you



  Paolo:

 In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
 are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
 as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
 that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.

 Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
 $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
 full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
 Paypal without the hassles.

 Regards,
 Chuck


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 paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it 
 paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote:

  Hi All

  I am looking for a new paypal like system for European merchants. The
  ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
  not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.

  I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
  think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee

  Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
  wanted to see if there could be an alternative

  Thank you

  --


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  Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale

  Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo

  C.F. e P.IVA  05940050825
  Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Cameron Crum]

Funny, I don't recall rove or cheney heading the fcc. How about we dump all
the taxes or fees or whatever they want to call it and really label the
playing field?

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
 At 8/28/2012 04:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:

 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=multipart/alternative;
  boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01CD855A.858D9814

 http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/


 It's jut an idiotic screed from an idiotic extreme right-wing website
that looks at everything through red-colored conspiracy glasses.  USF was
created by Congress in TA96 as a way to pay for telephone service in rural
areas, mostly in fact red states, by taxing everyone, but mostly from blue
states.  At the time, all that officially mattered was POTS.  (However, any
facilities that could carry POTS could be subsidized, including Fiber to
the Ranch.  Only the actual ISP content was not subsidized.)  Now POTS is
declining so the FCC has decided that something called broadband should
be subsidized instead.

 Now the right thing would have been to subsidize the telecommunications
part of the service (basic service, el broadband) and allow open access
competition to use it by ISPs and other content providers (la
broadband).  But the Bells wanted vertical integration to keep off those
pesky ISPs.  So the Cheney-Rove FCC revoked Computer II/III and took away
the right of ISPs to use common carrier telco facilities, except dial-up.
The Genechowski FCC then decided that this vertically-integrated
broadband was more important than dial tone and so it will get the
subsidies.  The actual subsidy flow was capped so it, and the tax rate,
will be lower than it would have been otherwise under the pre-2011 blank
check USF.

 So money will flow from New York, Massachusetts, California, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and other states that are either a) almost all Bell or b) low
cost, and go to Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska, Iowa, the Dakotas, Idaho,
Puerto Rico, and Utah, to name some big per-capita recipient states.  This
is hardly robbing the poor to give to the rich.  It's a direct result of
the two senators per state rule and the negotiations that led to the
Telecom Act, a subsidy to rural states.

 WISPs are caught in the middle since they're the unsubsidized companies
proving that in many places it is possible to do the job far more cheaply
than the subsidy whores can do it.  The FCC recognized that with the
unsubsidized competitor rule that CenturyLink is trying to overturn.  It's
not perfect but WISPA did an excellent job of lobbying, certainly by the
standards of the otherwise-does-a-great-possum-imitation ISP industry.  So
it could have been a lot worse -- the old USF would have funded ILECs to
compete with WISPs anyway, and did so in some locations.

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Form 477 Reports Due September 1st

[Cameron Crum]

Yes, typically they want your advertised rates.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.netwrote:

 I report what they are buying.




 Martha Huizenga
 DC Access, LLC
 Ph: 202-546-5898
 Fax: 202-546-6020

 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab
 Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 So I'm curious here

 The FCC Form 477 asks for: Download information transfer rate to the
 end user (8 categories): 

 Is this actually what the customer is buying, or what they are getting?
   I've always reported what they are buying, but we generally provide
 faster service to our customer than what they purchased, and as I was
 reading it this time around I wondered if I'm filling this out incorrectly?


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 8/21/12 3:42 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
  The deadline for filing your Form 477 reports is rapidly approaching.
  Below are several links to assist you.
 
 
/*Form 477*/Resources for Filers -/*FCC*/
http://www.fcc.gov/form477/
 
  www.*fcc*.gov/*form477*/Share
 
  Jul 5, 2012 –/*Form 477*/Resources for Filers.*...*Activities /
  Broadband Data and Reporting Resources (/*FCC Form 477*/) /*Form
  477*/*...*/*Form 477*/System/*Guide*/*...*
 
 
FCC Form 477 http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/inst.htm
 
  FCC Form 477 collects information about broadband connections*...*
 
 
 
 
FCC Form 477 - Local ...
https://specialreports.fcc.gov/wcb/Form477/%20
 
  Announcing a new FCC.gov. Tell us what you think and help*...*
 
 
Instructions http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477inst.pdf
 
  1. FCC Form 477. Approved by OMB. Filing due 9/1/2012*...*
 
 
 
 
Technical FAQs http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/techfaqs.html
 
  FCC Form 477 Technical Frequently Asked Questions*...*
 
 
Form 477 System Guide
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477systemguide.pdf
 
  Form 477 System Guide. 2/17/2010 iii. 3.18 Printing, Checking*...*
 
 
 
 
Form 477 Tutorial 
 http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf
 
  Completing and Filing FCC Form 477. Overview. • This*...*
 
  More results from fcc.gov »
  
 https://www.google.com/search?hl=enrlz=1C1TSNF_enUS465US465q=+site:fcc.gov+fcc+form+477+instructionssa=Xei=m-MzUJ8jwuvKAZudgZAIved=0CEMQrAM
 
 
  Chuck Hogg also has a quick resource to help: http://477.shelbybb.com/
 
  Several of the Billing Software companies also have 477 reporting
  functionality.  I’m not sure which ones, I’ll let other members
 contribute.
 
  */Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
  http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way__/*
 
  Respectfully,**
 
  **
 
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  Executive Director
 
  WISPA
 
  260-307-4000 cell
 
  866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
 
  Skype: rick.harnish.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Houston TX WISP - looking for 50mb. Anyone?.

[Cameron Crum]

I think Internet America is down that way.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 **
 Any WISPA members, WISPs or Contractors, serve Downtown Houston, TX?

 If so, I'd like to refer an exciting profitable job to you, for an event.

 (Originally, I was going to fly down and do it, using a 24Ghz link to a
 nearby building with Cogent Fiber. But unfortuantely I have a conflict I
 cant get out of, so my company will be unavailable to accept job)

 If interested, reply to me ASAP, and I'll disclose details.
 There is plenty of time before event date, but I could really use a reply
 today.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support

[Cameron Crum]

Noise doesn't change for different radios, only how it is reported. I can't
imagine that you would have -105 on a busy tower if even a couple nearby
radios are in the same band. Either they are under reporting or the others
are over reporting, but it seems low for a busy tower.

Cameron

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote:

 Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT
 but something seems foo there!

 The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually
 worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the
 client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency
 frequency change on the base.

 On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
  I am not sure it is.  I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is
 not an actual detected floor but a calculation.
 
  Steve Barnes
  General Manager
  PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
 
  why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff?
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net
 wrote:
 
  A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in
  the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping,
  reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in
  and sent me a how-to.
 
  Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing.  I still use the
  TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working
  with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of
  Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85.
 
  YMMV, Dave
 
  --
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  Portative Technologies, LLC
  1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100
  Corydon, IN 47112
  812-738-7007
  www.portative.com
 
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Re: [WISPA] High Bandwidth 900 MHz/1900 MHz

[Cameron Crum]

Good luck. The only thing they will offer is 4G mifi type routers. They
simply don't do one-off backhaul. They make a lot more off cell traffic
than off a few hundred dollar event and they certainly aren't going to
carve out a piece of spectrum for one organization.

Cameron

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.comwrote:

 Hi Wisps,

 Though it may be taboo to ask, is anyone familiar with a high bandwidth
 (50-100+ Mbps) solution from any of the cellular carriers on 700/800/1900MHz 
 licensed frequencies?

 We're looking for a way to bring in a large amount of wireless bandwidth
 for conferences at hotels and convention centers without having to tango
 with the venue over roof access rights for a site survey, mast location,
 low voltage requirements for running ethernet cable, etc.

 Perhaps the cellular carriers offer some sort of
 non-commercially-available 4G Premium plan that is available upon request?

 Thanks in advance for your ideas,


 Ian Framson
 Co-founder/CEO



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Re: [WISPA] Airband

[Cameron Crum]

If you are looking for commercial bandwidth in Dallas, you might also try
Belwave. They are a Wispa member.


Cameron

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.comwrote:

 here is a link to there LinkedIn page you might get the contact you need
 that way.


 http://www.linkedin.com/company/15499?goback=%2Efcs_GLHD_AirBand_false_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2trk=ncsrch_hits

 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 Does anyone know of have a management contact at Airband in Dallas, Texas?
 

 ** **

 *Where there is a Wisp, there is a 
 way!http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way
 *

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 Respectfully,**

 * *

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 WISPA

 260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

 Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

[Cameron Crum]

Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting
coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of
default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns,
gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other
info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and
elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as
it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing
just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a
network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand
seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we
have to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where
we want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and
do it right when we decide to actually perform the study.

Cameron

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

  Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
  cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
  Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

 One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
 to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
 WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
 data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
 propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
 benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
 use themselves.
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Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions

[Cameron Crum]

IPPay and Authorize are both very easy to integrate into programming. I'd
save the money.

Cameron

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Robert Canary rwcan...@mchn39.ocdirect.net
 wrote:

 I have had only good dealings with PayPal.  Yes a little more expensive
 than others, but their API has allowed me to integrate some very gnarly
 programming into our back end.  They have always helped with issues, both
 as a buyer and a seller.

 Robert Canary
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  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 *Date:* 5/16/2012 3:14:15 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions

 PayPal is a nightmare for the merchant if the client is not honest.

 They are not a bank nor regulated as one, last I recall.

 And if you do deal with them, take precautions.

 setup a separate bank account to deal with them in a different bank than
 you use for your main business accounts and never leave any real money in
 it that you are not willing to loose.

 And last of all, they can't be trusted, nor can you get a person on the
 phone to fix things when they mess them up.





 On 5/16/2012 8:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 If u think PayPal rates are low... Then u have not seen what rates IP Pay
 offers... :)

 The real benefit with IP Pay is that there is no finger pointing between
 multiple entities involved with credit card processing.

 Pay pal is easy to sign up, easy to use, more expensive tan other
 optionsbut pain in the rear to deal with when u have  charge backs and
 other issues

 Faisal

 On May 16, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing 
 evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote:

  Guys..

 believe it or not... paypal's rates are really low if you're billing over
 3,000 USD a month
 AND as an organization like WISPA... someone can just call in and get
 negotiated rates using a promo code...

 I did it for several organizations i was a part of!

 WISPMon and IP Pay handle this for me.

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Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

[Cameron Crum]

Or tile it.

Cameron

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 FYI, you can overlay multiple files.
 Regards,
 Chuck



 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Brian Webster 
 bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:

 It’s an issue with the size of the file. Google Maps is only supposed to
 support a file overlay size of up to 1 meg. This one is about 2.2 meg so
 sometimes it does not act properly. And yes this file needs to be updated,
 problem is it’s going to make the file larger and probably break it.

 ** **

 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com

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 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2012 10:34 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

 ** **

 Working for me now.  Weird.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 

 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:
 

 Way out-dated..but it's good here too.

 --- On *Fri, 5/11/12, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com* wrote:


 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com


 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:02 PM

 ** **

 Works for me
 Regards,
 Chuck

 

 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Rick Harnish 
 rharn...@wispa.orghttp://mc/compose?to=rharn...@wispa.org
 wrote:

 Worked for me


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 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:55 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

 Yes.

 On 05/11/2012 05:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Does this fail to load at all or completely for anyone else?
 
  http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm
 
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Re: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis

[Cameron Crum]

1G was typically scrapped when they went to 2G. 1G for most was Analog
cellular (AMPS). Since digital technologies made spectrum much more
efficient, they were able to chop out some channels to deploy simultaneous
1 and 2G. They then phased out analog eventually replacing it with digital
of some sort either TDMA or GSM initially. Some waited long enough to go to
IS-95 CDMA skipping the TDMA phase and later auction winners (post 96)
started with either IS-95 or GSM. I was involved in a lot of that back in
the day.

Cameron

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 There are too many 2G devices out there to eliminate the 2G network.

 Where, how much and what happened with the 1G bands, though?



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: r...@ashtonbrooke.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:50:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis





 Add that none are re-farming current spectrum. New technologies are
 deployed in new bands instead of reforking 2g and 3g networks and reuse the
 spectrum…. Only case is Sprint fading out Iden network for LTE…




 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Brough Turner
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:23 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis



 Interesting that this gets into the NYT:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/technology/mobile-carriers-warn-of-spectrum-crisis-others-see-hyperbole.html
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Re: [WISPA] vUnity DSL bonding service

[Cameron Crum]

We have a customer using them in CA. They seem to be doing what they claim
and are very responsive to his needs. They even worked with us directly to
help him out. This particular guy has zero MT experience and was burned by
a consultant who told him he could set up the MT  to do the DSL bonding,
charged him a bunch of money, then drug his feet for two months trying to
make it happen. It never did. By the time we got to him, he had already
signed a contract with Vunity, but it works as advertised for him.

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

  No, but then again a lot of WISP's do this using Mikrotik routers
 easily.. so I would not be surprised if you don't find someone familiar
 with this stuff here on this list.

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 3/21/2012 11:52 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 Is anyone familiar with this provider? They are offering a service using a
 bonding appliance that communicates over GRE tunnel to their equipment in a
 datacenter to bond multiple DSL/cable lines into a bigger pipe. Seems to be
 a fairly new company, has anyone worked with them or heard anything about
 them? Seems similar to what SharedBand and Mushroom Networks offer but
 their pricing and IP availability seem more geared toward ISP usage.

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Re: [WISPA] Fleet Vehicles for Sale

[Cameron Crum]

The avalanches can have a long bed and less cab. The back seat becomes more
cab...that was the whole idea of the truck.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Don Marino d...@greataukwireless.com wrote:

 okay. thanks anyway.


 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I need way less cab and way more bed =(

 Thanks for posting, hopefully someone else needs one of these.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Don Marino d...@greataukwireless.com
 wrote:
  No problem Josh.  Here is a picture for you to take a look at.
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
  Pictures?  What's the 2003 Avalanche look like?  Utility bed?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Don Marino d...@greataukwireless.com
  wrote:
   Hello All,   Anyone interested in buying bucket trucks please let me
   know.
We are selling a 1997 and 1999 bucket trucks with hydraulic lifts.
Also
   selling 2003 Chevy Avalanche and 2004 Special edition Envoy.
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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Cameron Crum]

There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ )
 that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting
companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety
analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every
penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause
some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit
properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives
including your own.

Cameron

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

 will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

 http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

 will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The
 NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

 https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

 Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only
 takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do,
 fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


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 From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport


  I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
  path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
  clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
  200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
  into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
  close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
  yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
  all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
  issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
  airport.
 
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  100 N Roland St, Suite B
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Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers

[Cameron Crum]

For sure we haven't tested the mobile apps with ice-cream sandwich. We will
soon.

Cameron

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

 **
 I was thinking more along the lines of Mixology.  Awesome program.

 I also use ICMPing, Droid LIght from Motorola, Quickoffice, Ping  DNS,
 and I used to have a subnet calculator but can't find a new one.

 Wispmon also has a cool ap that uses GPS of your local and points you to
 all of your towers.  Great for installs in the fog, snow, dark etc.  I
 think.  It doesn't work with the latest droid update for my Motorola X2
 phone  We're not on Verizon though, it's a smaller local cell company
 that's tied in with Verizon.

 marlon


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 *Cc:* Washington State WISP Discussion washing...@wispa.org
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers

 GPS Status.   WiFi analyzer.
 On Feb 24, 2012 12:45 PM, Pat Oapos;Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote:

 Upgrading to a smartphone, HTC Hero S.  Just wanted to see what tools
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Re: [WISPA] Yuma, TX

[Cameron Crum]

I don't think there is such an animal as Yuma, TX

Cameron

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote:

 I can't find Yuma, TX on a map.

 Do you mean Yuma, AZ? Yuma is in my coverage area. We have a large influx
 of snowbird customer's whom we service on a month-to-month basis.

 www.beamspeed.com

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 On Feb 8, 2012, at 19:33, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:

  Anyone know of a service in Yuma TX. Client is a snowbird. Will be
  there another two months and is generally on site for 3 to 5 months
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Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Cameron Crum]

With a radome, the ice shouldn't be too much of an issue unless it gets
really thick. I had some dished here in Texas that I did not put radomes
on, thinking that the one or two days of ice we get a year would not
matter. With about 1/2 inch of ice directly on the end of the feed, my
throughput went to nothing. I added a radome and then next ice storm with
about the same covering of ice had no effect and my throughput remained
constant. I would go with a radome with even a possibility of ice.

Cameron

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote:

  Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a PTP
 link that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for rime Ice. It
 would be a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm not aware at what
 effect rime ice might have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really
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[WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

[Cameron Crum]

Kevin,

Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page
that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp
Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together
software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo.

Regards,

Cameron Crum
Wispmon.com

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby ke...@battersby.netwrote:


 Greetings

 We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for
 some
 time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.

 Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
 regular basis throughout the month.

 At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get
 this
 done.

 My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation?
 Any
 success stories?

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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

[Cameron Crum]

SORRY!

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:

 Didn’t make it off list.  You get the DOOOHHH!  For the day.

 ** **

 Steve Barnes

 General Manager

 PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:17 PM
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 *Subject:* [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

 ** **

 Kevin,

 ** **

 Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page
 that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp
 Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together
 software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo. 

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Cameron Crum

 Wispmon.com

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 wrote:


 Greetings

 We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for
 some
 time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.

 Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
 regular basis throughout the month.

 At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get
 this
 done.

 My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation?
 Any
 success stories?

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

[Cameron Crum]

Yagis, are by nature on single pol.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

 **
 Shane,

 Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.

 I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct
 comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree
 sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all
 unlicensed bands?

 In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi,
 if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying
 to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but
 have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many
 consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels
 from  ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.

 Scottie Arnett
 President
 Info-Ed, Inc.
 Electronics and More
 931-243-2101
 sarn...@info-ed.com

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 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

 A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?

 Scottie Arnett
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 Info-Ed, Inc.
 Electronics and More
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 sarn...@info-ed.com

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

  I’d vote for the 90s, but we aren’t likely to use anything other than
 120s in the near future anyway.

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
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 *Subject:* [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

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 We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in
 December.

 Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release
 date and want your feedback.

 The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion
 between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.

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 Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Without Limits

[Cameron Crum]

I would think if the guy was one of your customers and specifically went on
the cruise to be a part of the show, then you could let it slide or at
least have a door price. It seems to me a little good will for someone who
helps support you all year is in order. And as to others attending, I say
charge a door price and let them come if they really want. I doubt there
would be a lot of takers.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 I see your point and agree.

 Regards,

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 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, David Sovereen
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  Shafty really?  How much are they charging for the event?  Zero, except
 that
  you need to book through them, and they derive some revenue through the
  booking.  How much was registration to Wispapalooza?  How much is
  registration to Animal Farm?
 
  The policy seems fair to me.
 
  I suppose they could charge an event registration fee of ___ for persons
 who
  booked through another means, which might help Ralph's situation, but I
  don't think Double Radius' position is without merit.
 
  Dave
 
 
  
  From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:09 AM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Without Limits
 
  +1 for pretty shafty!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 8:09 PM
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  That's pretty shafty!
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck
 
 
 
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  I will be on the cruise, but Double Radius is refusing to allow me to
  participate because I got my room through an employee discount and not
  their
  travel agent.
 
  If you want to meet up or talk, then the only thing I know is for you
  to
  leave me a note or voice mail for cabin 0004.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Cameron Crum]

What would you do if you caught someone taking a computer out of your
office?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

 Let them know that it is against the TOS of service and if they continue
 you will disconnect them.

 On 10/31/11 11:56 AM, Matt wrote:
  What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
  router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
  sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
  about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Cameron Crum]

Trust me, I know the game well. People in corporate jobs love tot protect
their turf even if it means losing money.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 wrote:

 But what did you know right Cameron? The arrogance and ignorance of
 carriers still never ceases to amaze me. Most times it is due to the fact
 that the person in that position of network design authority, who should
 already know those answers, simply does not and feel like they need to draw
 the line in the sand and make it seem like they know more than the
 consultant, otherwise they fear their bosses will question their value to
 the organization…..

 ** **

 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:46 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

 ** **

 That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity
 came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part
 in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different
 countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They
 quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage
 meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like
 with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with
 CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban
 morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate
 near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more
 area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least
 initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a
 waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play,
 then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it
 yet. It was  tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint
 first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage
 was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to
 add 25% more sites after turning the network up. 

 ** **

 Cameron

 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

 Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have
 so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.

 In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of
 intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with
 very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels.
 (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to
 be able to talk to it)

 Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may
 have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network,
 may
 have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the
 equipment inside is different TOE.


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 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

 

 I have a dissenting opinion...
 
 It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
 effectively provide broadband.
 
  A cellular network is built for coverage
 
  Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective,
  will tend to put the same equipment everywhere
 
  What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the
  tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway
  where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment
 and
  capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous
  users
 
  So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base
 station
  have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage
  requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity
 
  In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP
 and
  putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers
 aren't
  affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money --
  self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower
  with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor
 
  -Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Cameron Crum]

That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity
came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part
in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different
countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They
quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage
meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like
with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with
CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban
morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate
near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more
area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least
initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a
waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play,
then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it
yet. It was  tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint
first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage
was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to
add 25% more sites after turning the network up.

Cameron

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have
 so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.

 In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of
 intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with
 very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels.
 (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to
 be able to talk to it)

 Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may
 have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network,
 may
 have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the
 equipment inside is different TOE.


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie


 I have a dissenting opinion...
 
 It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
 effectively provide broadband.
 
  A cellular network is built for coverage
 
  Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective,
  will tend to put the same equipment everywhere
 
  What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the
  tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway
  where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment
 and
  capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous
  users
 
  So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base
 station
  have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage
  requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity
 
  In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP
 and
  putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers
 aren't
  affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money --
  self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower
  with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor
 
  -Charles
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mounts

[Cameron Crum]

Why don't you call Commscope?

Cameron

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Troy Settle tset...@thewiredroad.netwrote:

 Can anyone point me to a specific antenna mounting kit for 3 and 4’ Andrew
 dishes?  I’ve been advised to mount both on a 4” pipe directly on the tower,
 but as this is my first construction project, I’m more than a little lost on
 the specifics.

 ** **

 Of course the consultants and contractors on this project are being very
 vague with their answers, and about the only thing I’ve heard from the
 vendor, was a mention of “stabilizer bars.”

 ** **

 Thanks,

 ** **

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[WISPA] Steve Jobs

[Cameron Crum]

Maybe in poor taste, but the headline should have been iDied.



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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

[Cameron Crum]

I'm guessing you'll sub in if a booth babe from one of the other booths
needs a turn. ;)



On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

 **
 *WHEW!*


 On 10/04/2011 10:07 PM, Layne Sisk wrote:

 Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will 
 be giving out free massages (not by me).

 Layne Siskwww.ServerPlus.com801.426.8283, ext 102

 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
 Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to our 
 MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.



 If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make it 
 a party;-)





 Jim Patient

 Link Technologies, Inc.
 314-735-0270
 www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ http://www.linktechs.net/
  
 http://mail.serverplus.com/exchange/layne/Drafts/RE:%20[WISPA]%20[Bulk]%20Re:%20%20Wispalooza!.EML/1_multipart/image001.png
  
 http://mail.serverplus.com/exchange/layne/Drafts/RE:%20%5BWISPA%5D%20%5BBulk%5D%20Re:%20%20Wispalooza!.EML/1_multipart/image001.png







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in 
 their booth one day.



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Hope they bring some!

 On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

 They generally have very good cigars too!



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager800-813-5123 x106

 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It 
 is no way intended to be derogatory.

 People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow 
 away most of us US attendees

 Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

  :-)

 -B-




 On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:

 Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



 On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia, 
 England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess 
 the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider 
 Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training 
 and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the week.



 Rick



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!



 ---
 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
 http://www.linktechs.net/ http://www.linktechs.net/
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ 
 http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/  - Author of Learn RouterOS 
 http://routerosbook.com/ http://routerosbook.com/



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!


 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com 
 j...@boonlink.com wrote:

 I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just 
 deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)



 John M. McDowell 256.996.0252j...@boonlink.com



 On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:



 What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


 --
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net 

Re: [WISPA] coverage in Lowell Maine

[Cameron Crum]

They won't do it. Tried that several times. They will not trade any type of
service, cell phone or bandwidth, for lease space. They would rather pay
what that service is worth than trade it.

Cameron

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Dorn Hetzel d...@hetzel.org wrote:

 Maybe she should negotiate some bandwidth from VZ as part of the lease :)
 On Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM, cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote:
  Does anyone have coverage in Lowell Maine. I have web hosting client
  looking for access. She owns land on a big hill. Verizon is leasing some
  land from her to put up a tower so she might have LOS to whoever might be
  in the area.
 
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[WISPA] anyone still using an original moto droid

[Cameron Crum]

I am in need of some assistance with an original moto dorid. If you are
using one and can spare a couple minutes, please hit me off list.

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
 other is not

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Me
 *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

  ** **

 24ghz is unlicensed.

 *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*



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 Sent: *Thu, Jul 28, 2011 14:02:52 GMT+00:00*
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

  At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
 band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
 dish, I guess you are pretty limited.


 Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
 rather fun...

 But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
 afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
 but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
 maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
 formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
 dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
 (Values are from memory, not precise.)


 Cameron

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
 other is not

 **

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

 ** **

 I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
 fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
 hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 wrote:

 At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 

 I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
 band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
 dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 

 ** **

 Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
 rather fun...

 But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
 afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
 but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
 maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
 formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
 dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
 (Values are from memory, not precise.)




 

 Cameron

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 

 There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
 other is not

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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  What about below$6k?

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

 ** **

 $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
 you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
 the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
 not that much if I have to finance the link. 

 ** **

 Cameron

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 

 Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”

  

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM


 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

  

 I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
 fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
 hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 wrote:

 At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
 band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
 ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
 dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 

  

 Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
 rather fun...

 But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
 afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
 but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
 maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
 formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
 dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
 (Values are from memory, not precise.)



 

 Cameron

 On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 

 There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
 other is not

  --
  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein at ionary.com
  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701





 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Cameron Crum]

I think Matt's advantage is the licensed freq. There is something to be said
for putting it up and forgetting it. With unlicensed BH you are always going
to be fighting the interference monster. I guess it depends on your budget
and time.

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500.  A ptp230 or 250 could get
 close.  Mikrotik could do that for probably 500.

 Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget.
 On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 wrote:
  I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for
  almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding
  piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago,
  after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the
  cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our
  throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db
  of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages
  lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a
  bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.
 
  The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection
  that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for
  itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful!
 
  Matt Larsen
  vistabeam.com
 
  On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps
  radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz,
  too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate
  more bandwidth?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
  mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 
  Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's
  why I said I am told.. Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...
 
  :-)
 
 
 
 
  On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 
  That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
  radio is for Licensed 24 ?
 
  Gino A. Villarini
 
  g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
  787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

 
  *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
  *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
  *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org

  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
 
  Two more things...
 
  Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-)
 
  And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
  polarity plane for data...Not two.
 
  -B-
 
 
 
  On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do
  with them?
 
  On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
  mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
   Nice! Price?
  
   Gino A. Villarini
   g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
   Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
   787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
  
   No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
  
  
   -B-
  
  
  
  
   On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
   IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
  
   Gino A. Villarini
   g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
   Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
   787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
   To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org

   Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
  
   The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
  
   Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that
  will do
   100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The
  price is the same or cheaper.
  
   I believe its 2 year warranty also.
  
   -B-
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
   Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?
  
  http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
   shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works,
  that's
   pretty good, in my book
  
   On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
   This question has probably been asked on this list before
  ... if
   needed, just tell me to check the archives ...
  
   Becoming 

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius
on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going
to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you
using as a billing/provisioning platform?

Cameron

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.netwrote:

 I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
 wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
 it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
 mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
 more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
 improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
 authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
 speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
 open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
 mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
 when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
 private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
 currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
 in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
 Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the network
who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to redirect
non-paying customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used properly.
It's not jsut for PPPOE.

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all
 wireless customers)?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.netwrote:

 I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not
 want to get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.
 

 ** **

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

 ** **

 What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
 radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
 is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
 are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?

 ** **

 Cameron

 ** **

 Cameron

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net
 wrote:

 I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
 wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
 it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
 mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
 more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
 improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
 authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
 speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
 open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
 mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
 when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
 private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
 currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
 in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
 Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.

  

 Regards,

  

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

  





 
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

You don't need hotspot or pppoe. I have customers using straight mac auth
through radius (Freeradius) and the radius passes back whatever attributes
are in either the radreply or radgroupreply tables.

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.netwrote:

 With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP
 pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik AP’s
 

 ** **

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Sam Tetherow
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

  ** **

 How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of
 PPPoE, last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you
 couldn't pass IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have
 changed.

 On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

 Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the
 network who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to
 redirect non-paying customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used
 properly. It's not jsut for PPPOE. 

 ** **

 Cameron

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all
 wireless customers)?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373 



 

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net
 wrote:

 

 I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not
 want to get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.
 

  

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

  

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

  

 What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
 radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
 is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
 are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?

  

 Cameron

  

 Cameron

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net
 wrote:

 I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
 wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
 it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
 mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
 more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
 improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
 authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
 speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
 open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
 mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
 when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
 private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
 currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
 in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
 Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.

  

 Regards,

  

 Joshua S. Bowsher

 Director of Internet Services
 Midwaynet.net

 Midway Electronics

 NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
 1250 N McKinley Ave
 Rensselaer, IN 47978
 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212

 Cell 219-863-0678

 www.midwaynet.net

 jbows...@midwaynet.net 

  





 
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

[Cameron Crum]

Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in the
90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product sold to
cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! Other competitors
were selling their software for $30,000 per seat per YEAR! The fact that he
gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So the next time you use RM casually,
think about that retail price of similar tools and see if it isn't worth
coughing up a little cash. I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free
edition and a commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe
it's time?

Cameron

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 Agreed.  I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well.  Come on
 guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!?  The man needs
 our help!

 Regards,
 Chuck


 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netwrote:

 For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate
 if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year.  Roger got laid off from
 his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile.  I think a
 little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone
 that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program.

 ** **

 There is a donate button on his website.
 http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html

 ** **

 ** **

 Jim Patient

 Link Technologies, Inc.

 314-735-0270

 www.linktechs.net
 

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Re: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz ?

[Cameron Crum]

See if you can find the dielectric constant for both materials and pick the
lowest one. The best material I found was made by a company called Stealth
Technologies back in the 90's. I had Andrew perform tests on their range
with a variety of materials including 1/4 PVC, 1/4 fiberglass, 1/4 ABS
Plastic, and the stealth sandwich which was a 1 thick piece of closed
cell foam between two 1/8 pieces of ABS. The stealth material won out. The
fiberglass was the worst. The PVC and ABS were about the same and presented
only a small amount of loss. These were at PCS frequencies right around 1800
MHz. You have to figure a bit more loss the higher frequency you go.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:28 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 *Not gonna be a problem. I have antennas behing 1 Lexan with no real
 discernable difference
 **
 **
 **
 **Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*


 -Original message-

 *From: *Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com*
 To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org*
 Sent: *Wed, May 25, 2011 22:45:26 GMT+00:00*
 Subject: *[WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz?

 Subject: Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic plastic?


 Hi, we're building a wireless video observation system for a lumber mill
 loading area.
 This is an extremely rough-duty environment with huge logs swinging around,
 and any exposed antennas, cameras, etc. would shortly be smashed to bits.
 We're thinking of installing everything in a 1.5 ft. diameter thickwall
 steel pipe, and installing our required 5.8Ghz panel antenna flush with the
 end of the pipe, covered with a 2 thick piece of polycarbonate or acrylic.
 The link only needs to work at a distance of around 150 feet. However I
 can't find much info on-line about the RF attentuation of clear plastic
 materials (or if it's even enough to matter) at 5.8Ghz. Anyone out here
 ever
 had to do something like this?

 Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Towers

[Cameron Crum]

Ditto on that Rick. We had a Trylon T200 loosen a set of leg bolts over
about a year and fold over after and ice storm followed by high winds. We
torqued the bolts to mfg specs, but being on a high windy hill, the constant
oscillation loosened the bolts on one leg at about the top of the second
section. And, you are right, they are uncomfortable to work on for extended
periods with no flat cross bracing to stand on.

A neighboring wisp had the same tower fold over on them a couple months
later. I would not use them again unless VERY lightly loaded and under ideal
conditions.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe their heavy duty models but the light and medium weight have weak
 cross bracing that hurts your feet? I've seen heavy winds twist  bend them
 too easily.

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:33 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 *Price wise  Titan freestander...  Make sure you buy it from a
 distributor that gets it already kitted.  Got several of these from Tessco a
 few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower *
 *themselves**
 **
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Re: [WISPA] Staff Apparel

[Cameron Crum]

Or go buy all the shirts and take them to an embroidery place. I got a bunch
of the same brand/style in the sizes and colors I needed at Costco and had
one of my customers who had an amazing computer controlled embroidery
machine put our logo on them. They turned out great!

Cameron

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:


 On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 13:54, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:

 I have found this to be an issue.  All the retail shops want to do a min
 or 12 like shirts.  Basically I have 4 staff that are everywhere from size
 small to 4X with me doing different names and different colors and different
 sizes I doubt that I have more than 2 shirts the same.


 You'll probably have better luck finding a small local outfit to do this,
 precisely because the big companies usually have large minimum orders.

 If you do want to do it all online, try customink.com. Can't vouch for
 their embroidery, but I've ordered hundreds of screen-printed T-shirts
 through them with no problems. Their Web site they have a minimum embroidery
 order of just 6 shirts, and you can mix-and-match.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Cameron Crum]

Well it is certainly concerning that they are calling a WISP with fewer than
300 customers and threatening fines. I'd be curious to know how many other
wisps have been called. BTW, we still have the free 477 CSV generator
available on our site if anyone needs to file.

Cameron

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Harold Bledsoe hbledso...@gmail.comwrote:

 Their ability to fine an entity is covered by Title 47, Chapter 5, Section
 502:


 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVEFILE=$$xa$$busc47.waisstart=1559935SIZE=1041TYPE=TEXT

 -Hal

 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:
  FCC regulation made it mandatory to report. Its not optionional.
  They limited reporting detail to a level that they felt would not
 compromise
  other privacy or confidenciality or competition laws.
 
  With that said...
  I personally feel that the FCC is on legally weak grounds to force WISPs
 to
  provide such data, for a number of reasons.
  If I got a fine, I'd go to court to fight it, before I'd pay it.
  However,
  if the FCC took the time to make the cortesy call, the party in violation
 is
  on the radar, and it would sure be much easier for the party to just
 report
  the data, after they got that call.
 
  I dont think the FCC has ever fined anyone or audited the data reported.
 I
  dont think it would go over very well if they did.
  But I surely dont think its worth the risk to test them. They have the
  authority to impose the fine on ISPs and WISPs for not filing.
  (unless over turned faught in court)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Brian Webster
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
 
  I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it.
 
 
 
  Thank You,
 
  Brian Webster
 
  www.wirelessmapping.com
 
  www.Broadband-Mapping.com
 
 
 
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Cameron Crum
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
 
 
 
  One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC
 representative
  on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his
 477
  form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
  soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify
 with
  our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
  offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
  threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
  unable to tell us when the law went into effect, or which piece of
  legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined
 for
  this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to
 know.
 
  Regards,
 
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[WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Cameron Crum]

One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative
on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477
form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with
our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
unable to tell us when the law went into effect, or which piece of
legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for
this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Cameron Crum]

What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would
think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow
analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than
radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside
to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output
the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec).
So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you
would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are
attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the
accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343

 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote:

 Can this script be made available for everyone?

 Joe Miller
 DSLbyAir, LLC
 228-831-8881
 www.dslbyair.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should
 too.


  I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps
 and
  costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for
  them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback
  to them on their bandwidth consumption.
 
  Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for
 a
  Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the
 client
  when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content
 of
  the email to say.
 
  What did your letter say ?
 
  -- Original Message --
  From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700
 
 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
 the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these...
 
 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
 for more  costs more), or
 2. change their behavior to not use so much
 3. leave
 
 I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
 customers...
 
 On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
  continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out
 yet.
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck
 
 
  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
  Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
  if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
  more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
  capitalize on something.
 
  Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
  cable companies, for example.
 
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 
  25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck
 
 
 
  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com
  mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Robert
   up/down/aggregate
   103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
  
   The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
  4 megabits down.
  
   I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
  previous email, but if
   anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
  you are using I
   would greatly appreciate it.
 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Disaster Fund - Cyber Broadband

[Cameron Crum]

How is he for equipment? I've got several 2.4 and 5.8 grid dishes, a few 5
GHz solid dishes, and some other stuff that might be useful. Do you have an
email for him?

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

  Last evening, Jay Fuller and Cyber Broadband of Culman, Alabama, took a
 direct hit on his main distribution tower where his fiber backbone
 originates.  This is a severe hit for any WISP company.  I am seeking
 immediate financial donations to assist Jay in getting his business back up
 and operational as quickly as possible.



 Often times in emergencies like this, insurance payments are delayed,
 delaying network repairs.  As we all know, our businesses cannot experience
 extended outage periods. Hopefully, over time, we can continue this
 immediate need and develop a Disaster Fund, which will be an investment in
 the bank, awaiting the next disaster.



 Obviously, the Board will need to approve this fund and establish a
 committee and the rules the fund will operate within.   Anyone interested in
 volunteering for a Disaster Committee, email me back.



 Below is a link to a Disaster Fund Paypal Donate button.




 https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclickhosted_button_id=7KTTJBGG8K6BN



 I have also created a page on the WISPA website called WISPA Disaster 
 Fundhttp://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4531.
 After a committee is established and the rules are set, this page will serve
 as the base of operations and financial need requests.  The donate button is
 also on this page.





 Respectfully,**

 * *

 *Rick Harnish*

 Executive Director

 WISPA

 260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

 Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

  Thanks Cameron,

 Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
 at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

 But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
 time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
 current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
 used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

 Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
 dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

 We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
 case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
 and how you run the numbers.

 You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer
 during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit
 caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's
 service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.

 Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
 enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).

 For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
 Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
 send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
 lot.

 We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
 days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
 then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
 net account.

 It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer
 can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

 We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
 But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
 They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
 isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
 the customers.

 How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
 the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
 per tower.

 Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
 questions I can.  509.988.0260

 marlon


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

 Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
 for years.

 Cameron

 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.comwrote:

 They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
 uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
 cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
 for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
 for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
 speed.

 Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
 caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
 of caps.

 Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

 Jason

 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote:
  We

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

Gosh, I need to hit the right button. That reply was supposed to be offlist.
It was not meant to be a sales pitch. Sorry about that. Marlon and I had
were talking on the phone earlier and I was replying in part to some of that
conversations. My apologies.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Cameron...

 That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help
 operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look
 forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year
 or so...

 As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB,
 they will look to Wispmon  other key players in this area more  more.


 On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
 looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
 Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
 certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
 of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
 issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
 or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
 customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
 our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
 work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
 do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
 better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
 realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
 that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
 formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
 as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
 business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
 accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
 across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.

 Cameron

 On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

  Thanks Cameron,

 Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
 at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

 But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
 time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
 current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
 used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

 Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
 dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

 We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
 case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
 and how you run the numbers.

 You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
 transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We
 use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone
 else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond
 them.

 Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
 enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).

 For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
 Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
 send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
 lot.

 We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
 days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
 then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
 net account.

 It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
 customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

 We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
 But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
 They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
 isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
 the customers.

 How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
 the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
 per tower.

 Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
 questions I can.  509.988.0260

  marlon


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

  Talk with Marlon at Odessa

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com wrote:

 They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
 uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
 cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
 for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
 for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
 speed.

 Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
 caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
 of caps.

 Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

 Jason

 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote:
  We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
  to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
  video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
  looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
  model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
  block pricing.
 
  Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
  much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
  anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
  this, the simpler the better?
 
  Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
  and automate billing of overages, etc?
 
  Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?

[Cameron Crum]

What about using an RB411auh and buying a sim card?

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I have used a pair of bullets and 24db grids to do a bounce off a water
 tower before...


 On 4/13/2011 8:00 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

 Thanks for the info about 900MHz. It sounds like it would work.

 The only thing I can find in country is 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz gear. So I'll have 
 to import the 900MHz if I want it or just go with 2.4GHz. I might try the 
 2.4GHz NanoBridges since I can buy them locally. With the 18dbi antennas it 
 might be enough. There's a water tower that both ends could see. I'm thinking 
 of pointing the NanoBridges at the water tower and hope I get enough scatter.

 For the controller I'm going to use this: http://www.controlbyweb.com/x301/  
 It's really cool. It's got two inputs you can watch, two outputs, plus you 
 can watch the temp and input voltage. We use the timers here to start and 
 stop the generator, one input shows the gen's run/not running condition and 
 the other input is for alarms. On alarms I have it email me and others 
 notifications.

 Greg
 On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:47 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:


  We use Tranzeo TR-902's in hills all the time, and have good luck.
 I use this unit to reboot my Ap's on the towers, it is controlled with a
 pager.http://www.wesellpagers.com/wireless_switch.htm

 Bob Rothstein
 Prime Access
 (877) 333-1003

 Works flawless
 NGL

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 From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?


  I've been asked by the powers that be in a nearby small municipality to
 remote control their generators as I have done on our own, so they can
 quickly shut it down when lightning approaches. They just lost one of
 their 500KVA generators to lightning. I'd be volunteering my time and
 expertise in return for brownie points.

 What I did where I live is use UBNT 2.4GHz gear because the distance is
 short and it's line of site.

 Where I've been asked to do this job the layout is the generator is up on
 a small hill on the far side of the peak from the town (not line of site).
 The link distance would be about a mile. The hilltop has a smooth rounded
 transition, not a jagged peak. I'm wondering if 900MHz would be choice
 here since it's nlos.

 If I did this in 2.4GHz I think I'd need an intermediate hop. There is a
 convenient place to put an intermediate hop which might consist of a
 Picostation plus car battery, charge controller and solar panel. The
 problem with this is the complexity, cost and theft issues.

 There's no good data for the area to do something like Radio Mobile.

 I'm just curious what people's experience has been with 900MHz and hills.

 Thanks!
 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] Question about QMailToaster and Powercode

[Cameron Crum]

I don't know about Powercode, but Wispmon can ;). In all truthfullness,
toaster is easy to script and should be easy to do with anything that can
run scripts through ssh or cgi. I've done it both ways using perl scripts on
the qmt box.

Cameron

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr 
pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:

 Anyone know if there is a way to integrate qmailtoaster into powercode so
 that email accounts can be managed from within PC?  Also is there a way to
 allow users to add their own accounts into QMT without having to call us.



 Thanks in advance



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Cameron Crum]

It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and
the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a
good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance
with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based
technologies is to keep everyone transmitting at the lowest power possible.
The more power a single user has to put out, the more power everyone has to
put to out just to be heard. With CDMA, everything is based on the noise
floor and the higher that floor becomes, the worse the system performs. That
is why you don't want a user 5 miles away maintaining a link to a tower (in
a typical urban or suburban morphology). His phone ramps up to maintain the
link making the noise floor higher, the sector ramps up, then everyone else
close in starts shouting just to get their code heard above the noise.
Pretty soon, the whole sector becomes unstable and everyone drops. CDMA
technologies also have the luxury of the rake receiver which essentially
correlates received signals from several sectors at once to maintain
communication with a device. All of this makes for a far superior technology
than we have access to, and you have to have clean spectrum for this all to
work so well...something we don't have.

Cameron

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, St. Louis Broadband
li...@stlbroadband.comwrote:

 Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying
 that big bag phone around.

 That has to be a lot of power on the ap side.

 ~V~

 -Original Message-
 From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM
 To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is
 throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

 That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
 far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it
 side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
 way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
 handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
 and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
 I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
 big file via FTP or whatever.
 It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

 ~V~

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles Wu
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
 router on phone

 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
 all

 to yourself.

 I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
 the big antenna outside.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
 To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org
 
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


  It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
  Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
 
  most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
  direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
  then the customer upload).
 
  Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
  have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
  the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
  totally different ;)
 
  Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
  interface when the test is running...
 
  Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  Speedtest.net test are
  bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
  algorithms.
 
  On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
 
  Just got my HTC 

[WISPA] MT 5.0 broke cli

[Cameron Crum]

Has anyone else noticed that running commands from the CLI on the 5.0 full
release does not work? I've tried this on 2 routers and nada. I can change
directories, put doing a pr or trying to run a command shows nothing. Anyone
else seeing this?

Cameron



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Cameron Crum]

A bit off topic...

For instance, what if there were no traffic lights or laws such as speed
limits and those that keep slower traffic in the right lane? The roads would
be a mess!

Try living in Buenas Airesmost intersections have no stop signs or
lights and the ones that do rarely get paid attention to. It's downright
scary trying to cross the street let alone drive. I can see your point.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you use QOS then they are not using the internet the way they choose.
 They want it wide open. Besides, this is not about choice. In my scenario,
 they still have a choice. If people understood how a network works then they
 would glad to do as I say. For instance, what if there were no traffic
 lights or laws such as speed limits and those that keep slower traffic in
 the right lane? The roads would be a mess! Tell me the difference? For me, I
 want a nice, neat, efficient network that allows me to take advantage of it
 when I need it to. I'd pay a premium to do so just like those who pay to use
 high capacity lanes in the big city.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think alot of what your talking about is going to be market driven.
 Right now none of my competition uses caps on their business customers and
 neither can I.  I use QOS and wimax to try to keep everything fair but my
 customers feel like they should be able to use their Internet in any way
 they choose.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on my
 network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on it and
 therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can run on it.
 Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and tax the network more
 than non-priority. Everyone expects their high priority apps (video/voice)
 to be first in line without delays and that's really what all the fuss is
 about. Meanwhile, we have been focusing on raw usage but that is only a part
 of the equation. Just billing for monthly overages does not consider daily
 peak usage times. In fact, in questioning many customers, they would be
 happy to pay a premium for a high-priority, low latency connection for
 certain apps. Heck, I can even see premiums for usage based on the time of
 day but that may be pushing it. This may sound extreme but everyone laughed
 at me back in 1997 when I bought an Allot box for UBB.
 BTW:While economic optimization is good, network optimization is better.
 Over the years, I've seen fast networks and slow networks, I'd pay more any
 day to be on a fast network.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Fred Goldstein  fgoldst...@ionary.com
 fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

  At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:

 I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
 matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at
 .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices
 are just for arguments sake)


 Well, no, there doesn't.  Applications are none of the network's
 business.  That's one reason why DPI is evil.

 HOWEVER, I am not opposed to appliation-agnostic billing for usage, by
 QoS.  It is perfectly reasonable for a network to charge for usage that
 imposes a cost.  And while the teevee fiends are sure, just certain, that
 300 GB/month imposes precisely zero cost on the network, I doubt many WISPs
 would agree.  Especially rural ones who have to pay for backhaul, or who
 have multi-hop networks.

 IP, of course, is one-size-fits-all, with QoS being rare.  Hence caps and
 overage charges are a way to do cost averaging for the majority (since
 people hate billing for usage), while still hitting the heaviest users.
 Block pricing (like wireless, having say 10, 50, and 150 GB/month plans,
 plus overage) also works.  And if you go beyond plain old IP and do have a
 QoS-enabled protocol, then lower-loss or delay-limited (or whatever) traffic
 should carry a premium.  Regardless of what it's used for.  Then the
 applications could adapt to the pricing.  This leads towards economic
 optimization.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
 bcl...@spectraaccess.com  wrote:
  I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
 US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the Jackass 3
 movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
 bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.

 On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
 
 

   --
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I used to use qmail toaster. It worked great as long as you ran good spam
software with it. I ran spamassassin and spamdyke. I hired Eric Shubes to
set it up for me initially. If you look at any of the forums for qmail
toaster, he is the guy who answers most of the questions. I can get you
contact info if you need. It was a hassle when people's accounts were
compromised and we ended up on RBL's, or when someone got a virus that did
the same. I just didn't like the monthly (or more) maintenance for the spam
filters and cleaning out inactive accounts. I'd certainly pay the $0.35/box
now if I had it to do again.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps_vendor.asp


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  We really would like to find someone who could do the Google move and
 give us that .35 pricing as well


 On 3/29/2011 10:56 AM, Mark Nash wrote:

 Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per
 account price you're getting?  I haven't been able to track anyone down
 about it.

 Thanks.

 Mark

 On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

 All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches go
 away.  No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail issues,
 no more hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail in an email
 server more often than a web server).  No more people getting their password
 hacked and thousands of emails being sent out.  No more IPs ending up in the
 SORBS/et. al databases.  I tracked email maintenance time and materials for
 6 months, and it was well worth the $.35 per email account we spent to let
 Google do it.

  It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al
 and select Google as their email provider and put in their login
 information.

 Regards,
 Chuck


 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

  You can slice it any way you like...

 all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly  how much
 time is spent by yourself or someone vs  how much you have to pay for the
 service...

 for example.
 Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate  and secure is a
 very inexpensive proposition.
 Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus filtering
 services is a very inexpensive proposition..

 paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of storage
 and spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal...

 Unless you need somethings else that is not there...
 e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have
 'outsourced' security  updates on to a third party... and we pay a
 different third party for excellent Spam/Virus filtering...

 our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along with
 email even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great deal.. but  we
 needed options which they don't offer.

 Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control panel...

 Your Mileage May Vary.

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom



 On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly, plus
 their profit.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com


 On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether
 you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well
 worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others.

 Cameron

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google
 platform?  We
  also offer hosting services that need email.

  To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP
 and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
 accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
 thousands.

  I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
 Personally,
  I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or
 other
  hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated
 and
  blocking spam effectively are much more costly.
 
  Regards,
 
  Cameron
 
  On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com
 wrote:
 
  http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
 
  There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the
 requirements
  that you requested.
 
  Frank
 
  On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
  Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
 server
  MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
 investigating
  integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web management

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Cameron Crum]

Wow that would be cool. Now just to find a device which can split all that
out easily and maintain accounting.

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
 matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at
 .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices
 are just for arguments sake)


 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote:

 I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
 US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the Jackass 3
 movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
 bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.

 On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
 
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Re: [WISPA] History of the Internet

[Cameron Crum]

They left our poor old Al Gore.


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jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote:

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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally,
I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other
hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and
blocking spam effectively are much more costly.

Regards,

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com wrote:

 http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp

 There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
 that you requested.

 Frank

 On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
  Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
 server MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
 investigating integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web
 management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
 pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar
 and address book module in webmail as well.
 
  Anyone have suggestions?
 
  Thanks,
  Patrick Nix, Jr.,
  Computer Network Solutions
  CSWEB.NET Internet Services
  IT Manager
  http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
  http://www.csweb.net
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I can't see why not.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Christopher Hair wirele...@ntinet.comwrote:

 Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform?
  We also offer hosting services that need email.



 -Chris



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 4:24 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform



 I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
 Personally, I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with
 google or other hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep
 things updated and blocking spam effectively are much more costly.

 Regards,

 Cameron

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com wrote:

 http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp

 There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
 that you requested.

 Frank


 On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
  Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
 server MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
 investigating integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web
 management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
 pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar
 and address book module in webmail as well.
 
  Anyone have suggestions?
 
  Thanks,
  Patrick Nix, Jr.,
  Computer Network Solutions
  CSWEB.NET Internet Services
  IT Manager
  http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
  http://www.csweb.net
  (918) 235-0414
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether
you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well
worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others.

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform?
  We
  also offer hosting services that need email.

 To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP
 and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
 accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
 thousands.

  I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
 Personally,
  I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or
 other
  hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and
  blocking spam effectively are much more costly.
 
  Regards,
 
  Cameron
 
  On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com
 wrote:
 
  http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
 
  There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
  that you requested.
 
  Frank
 
  On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
  Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
 server
  MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
 investigating
  integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web management of
  individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run
 on
  Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and address book module
 in
  webmail as well.
 
  Anyone have suggestions?



 
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Re: [WISPA] query for the list

[Cameron Crum]

We all know what bandwidth costs are like at these shows for vendors. If you
don't, the last big show I attended as a vendor cost $1500 for 1.5M for 2
days. Very few shows are as friendly as WISPA regionals and MUMs to vendors.
I would say if you are willing to revenue share some of that, you might get
a bit more interest. Otherwise, a month of service fees is probably not
worth the headache for most WISPs.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 I would love to drop that kind of bandwidth in on an on-demand basis.
 Unfortunately, there aren't (m)any of those venue types in my area.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 3/15/2011 8:17 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  This may not be the right place for this query, but if it's not I'm
  hoping someone will point me in the correct direction.
 
  I'm not actually a WISP, however on a regular basis I could use
  service from WISPs.
 
  We do network professional services for tradeshows and other events.
  Many times I could really use a wireless backup link to venues that
  just have one terrestrial link (or indeed sometimes we could use the
  wireless as the primary link).  Typically these events need
  connectivity for between 2 days and 2 weeks.  We're willing to pay for
  up to a month's service even if we only need it for 2 days, however
  for obvious reasons full year contracts are out of the question.  We
  typically know months ahead of time where the location is (once and a
  great while we will only get 2 weeks warning).  Bandwidth demands can
  vary between 5M and 1G depending on a lot of factors.
 
  Typically the information we would get would be something like
 
  somebuilding
  123 Anywhere Street
  sometown, somestate X
  bandwith = 10M burstable to 50M
 
  for example.
 
  My question is: Is this an appropriate place to post the requests, or
  if not, where could we post requests to get exposure to potentially
  interested WISPs??
 
  We've found that just doing a web search for WISPs in the area and
  repetitive phone calls to yield a close to 0 success rate.  I do
  understand that not every WISP is going to be interested in this sort
  of business.
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT (sort of) - Earthquakes and Solar Flares

[Cameron Crum]

So where do you get the X-ray absorption data? Is there an up to the minute
site?

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:29 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
 wrote:

 Hi Guys,



 Ok, Tin foil hat time WISPA … (not really!)



 As many of you folks know, I live and work in Southeast Missouri.

 My Grannies, Granny experienced the New Madrid EQ almost two hundred years
 ago.

 From the stories passed down, I can defiantly say, it was a devastating
 event.



 All eyes of the world are now on the poor island of Japan.  They have hit
 the trifecta!

 Earthquake, Tsunami and multiple nuclear meltdowns in progress.



 The potential of the nuclear fallout traveling to the United States is real
 and should not be ignored.

 Last night I was watching a Geiger counter in Tokyo, it was @ 22.11 when I
 feel asleep and this morning is 28.66 – (when CPM gets to 60 it starts
 getting bad).


 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF

 We are hoping there is not a ‘China Syndrome’ in progress … (I just dated
 myself … lol).



 There has been a large group of folks, included myself, trying to search
 for a clue of how can we tell if these devastating earthquake events are
 about to unfold.

 We believe we have stumbled onto something and so far, it is proving to be
 somewhat accurate.

 We have actually been looking at this possibility for the past four years,
 but up until recently with the Churchchrist New Zealand quake the Japan
 quake, we did not have enough data.



 Ok, if you are still reading this … follow me ;-)



 We are now in a Solar maximum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_maximum,
 versus the Solar minimum.  This means that the Sun is at its maximum
 activity, bringing with it potential for solar flares.

 This is due to the ‘Precession of the 
 Equinoxhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession_%28astronomy%29’
 … this is something even my Granny was familiar with, as the Farmer’s
 Almanac makes its ‘predictions’ on crop planting by the cycles of the
 planets.

 As we all learn in 6th grade about the orbits of the plants in our Solar
 System, the Solar System has its own rotation in our Universe.

 Every once in a while, 3,600 years or so, the planets align.  This causes
 even greater agitation within the Sun.



 Planets are protected by a Magnetosphere, just like magnets … they attract
 and push away.

 When this alignment occurs, it causes disturbances not only with the Sun,
 but with our planet as well.



 When the Sun experiences a Solar Flare of M it is time to be watching the
 data.

 Here are a few great links:

 Solar Flare http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html monitor for
 X-Ray events.

 X-Ray Absorption http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/drap/index.html – this is very
 important.

 Magnetosphere http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/ for
 pressure of the Solar Wind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_wind.



 When a Solar Flare occurs, there is an immediate cast off of X-Rays from
 the Sun.

 Once we receive notification of a earth directed M Class flare we go to
 the X-Ray Absorption monitor and see where the X-Ray is hitting earth.

 This occurs usually about 8 to 10 minutes after the flare.



 The depending on magnitude of the flare, a Coronal Mass 
 Ejectionhttp://Coronal%20Mass%20Ejection(CME) will arrive 24-48 hours later.

 This is proving to be the catalyst to the quake.



 With the last two X Class flares of this year, the X-Ray Absorption hit New
 Zealand and the second hit Japan!

 One-time we say coincidence, twice … well, that is good enough for me to
 say that there is a correlation and to keep a watchful eye.

 The region my family and I live in, is within the New Madrid Fault Zone, I
 have reason to be concerned.



 What this theory gives us is, time.

 If this becomes factual (need a few more X class flares) than what we have
 discovered is a window of time to prepare.



 Ok, *what in the world does this have to do with fixed wireless?  *

 * *

 Everything!



 In 1859 there was this guy named 
 Carringtonhttp://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/,
 he actually witnessed a Solar flare.

 The events that later took place, today, would have every WISP concerned:



 *“Even more disconcerting, telegraph systems worldwide went haywire. Spark
 discharges shocked telegraph operators and set the telegraph paper on fire.
 ***

 *Even when telegraphers disconnected the batteries powering the lines,
 aurora-induced electric currents in the wires still allowed messages to be
 transmitted.”*


 http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/
 **

 * *

 Understand that there are two issues here.



 One is the heating of the earth with a dense particle X-Ray, which could
 trigger earthquakes, even volcano’s.

 We can locate this area by looking at the X-Ray Absorption and where it
 occurred.



 The second is the earth bound 

Re: [WISPA] OT (sort of) - Earthquakes and Solar Flares

[Cameron Crum]

Is there historical data on all X Class events and corresponding X-ray
absorption graphs? That would be evidence of a direct correlation. Two
events is really not enough to start tilting at windmills, but if you could
show an historical trend, that would be something.

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 March 2011 10:29, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.comwrote:

 Hi Guys,



 Ok, Tin foil hat time WISPA … (not really!)


 *bug blue snip*

 I think HAARP caused it.




 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Principal Members Map Updated

[Cameron Crum]

Rick, I noticed that our phone number on the vendor map is incorrect. It
should be 817-764-0956. I'm not sure what the 920 number is that is on
there.

Regards,

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170



 To join WISPA, go to http://signup.wispa.org



 Attend the Orlando Service Provider Summit March 
 23-25http://fispawispaspring2011.eventbrite.com/



 Respectfully,**

 * *

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 WISPA

 260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC
over cat-5.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

 Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

 Also also, number of ports should = 12

 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
 take about 20.


 On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
 non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
 that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
 current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
 signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
  Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24
 or 48v?
 I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
 discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
 more appealing?

 Thanks!
 Kevin


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

  Hello Kevin,



 I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
 have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
 more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
 equipment, IMO.



 Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
 suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?



 24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
 input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



 Keep us posted…



 Best,





 Brad







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
 mid-May.



 Kevin

  - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping”
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


 On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting
 kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason









 

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

Sorry...thought you meant devices on the tower, although an option for DC on
the POE device would be good too for remote sites with solar.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Important to establish what we're talking about...

 We're talking about powering the rackmount PoE device that will power all
 the other devices.  You're wanting that to be DC powered, Cameron?


 On 3/4/2011 11:37 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 I think every device I ever used on a tower was DC powered. I'd vote for DC
 over cat-5.

 Cameron

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote:

  Yes, better.  At this time, we only use AC to power devices.

 Also I didn't see a web interface or cli on your list of features...

 Also also, number of ports should = 12

 At $250, depending on features when it actually hit the street, we would
 take about 20.


 On 3/4/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether most WISPs would need a
 non-standard 24v or 48v out. At the last Ubiquiti conference they mentioned
 that their newest line of AirBeam APs will be running 48v. Obviously their
 current line is 24v, as is Trango and Tranzeo. Moto needs the GPS sync
 signal, so this wouldn't work for that.
  Also, would most people use DC or A/C to power the device? If DC, 24
 or 48v?
 I talked it over with our electrical engineer, and he says the $450
 number is what it would cost in the three-four quantity we had been
 discussing. In a batch of 100, the price would be closer to $250. Is that
 more appealing?

 Thanks!
 Kevin


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:38 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

  Hello Kevin,



 I’d be interested depending on how many ports you think this device would
 have.  It seems 12 ports would be a good compromise.  If a HUB site requires
 more than 12 ports then that site should easily justify another $450 in
 equipment, IMO.



 Would surge suppression be included similar to whatever basic surge
 suppression is found in today’s PoE’s?



 24VDC output would probably be our preference too.  Are you saying the DC
 input would be adjustable or are you looking for a consensus?



 1U shallow depth rack mount is pretty much a requirement for us.



 Keep us posted…



 Best,





 Brad







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Kevin Sullivan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to
 know is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a
 batch of 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB
 manufacturer mid-May.



 Kevin

  - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a
 “Auto-Ping” feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

Brad,

A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that
doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config
and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off
state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a
second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus
and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power
outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a
maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe
they've gone to flash memory now?

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
 rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
 market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
 we’ve seen out of them the past several years.



 I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version
 available.  Maybe this version is more reliable?  I’ve also read that the
 DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.
 Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to
 save costs and development.



 While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s
 not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.



 I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
 Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
 AirControl System management software.



 Best,





 Brad



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Mark Nash
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 Kevin,

 On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
 much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
 mid-May.



 Kevin

 - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping”
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put in a 12 port 24V version of this for a UniFi WLAN. Worked
 flawlessly.

 Powered the UBNT PB5 on one of the ports too.

 - Jerry

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 8:45 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-NCMS312-18eq=Tp=


 On 2/25/2011 5:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

 Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting
 kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason









 

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

If it looses it's ip then yes. Did you try the default ip? I always kept an
address block in the DL default range on my routers just in case.

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 Hey Cameron,



 Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we’ve had
 (that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all.  Does the
 battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored?



 Brad





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 Brad,

 A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that
 doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config
 and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off
 state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a
 second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus
 and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power
 outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a
 maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe
 they've gone to flash memory now?

 Cameron

 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 We’ve had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
 rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
 market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
 we’ve seen out of them the past several years.



 I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version
 available.  Maybe this version is more reliable?  I’ve also read that the
 DIN mount style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.
 Maybe Kevin could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to
 save costs and development.



 While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat….let’s
 not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.



 I wonder why UBNT doesn’t design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
 Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
 AirControl System management software.



 Best,





 Brad



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Mark Nash
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM


 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 Kevin,

 On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
 Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
 router or switch.

 If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
 and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
 value).

 Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
 your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
 much.

 On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

 So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what
 people are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No
 802.3. Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
 something that was:



 Remote on/off per port

 Auto-ping reboot per port

 Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

 DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

 The one we are working on is 24v output only

 1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

 SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring



 We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
 transformer.



 If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
 is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
 100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
 mid-May.



 Kevin

 - Original Message -

 *From:* Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch



 I may be off here from the majority, but I don't want a switch.  I want to
 be able to put these onto router ports as well as switch ports.

 I just want a rackmount multiport passive PoE controller, manageable per
 port with autoping and redundant power supplies.  Is that so much to ask
 for??? ;)

 On 2/25/2011 9:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Once they add remote management, redundant power supplies and a “Auto-Ping”
 feature they’ll have a winner.

 Best,

 Brad

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson
 *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 11:29 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Just put

Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

But of course this is a switch.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 One more find.  This one looks promising (but expensive):

 http://www.korenix-usa.com/prod/46/JetNet_4706

 L-Com sells them.

 Dual power supply inputs, 802.3af or non-standard 24v (software
 selectable),  web management/telnet/snmp management.




 On 3/2/2011 10:40 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
  One other option to consider:
 
 http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=34
 
  The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and
  power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way.  It can
  be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5
  7/8 pairs.  It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps).  Be
  sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices.
 
  + Remote management (SNMP)
  + Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices)
  + Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports
 
  - Requires a separate sitemonitor base
  - Not rack or DIN rail mountable
  - Not a switch
  - Single power supply
 
 
 
  On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Baileyj284...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt
 gear?Getting kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)
  Thanks!  Jason
  Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit)
  for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can
  be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and
  say that's what you want...
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Linux Question

[Cameron Crum]

I've doe this numerous times on linux and it always just boots right up.
Much better than windows in this regard.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Windows can sometimes cope with the hard drive being moved into a
 machine with different hardware.  Can Linux handle this gracefully?


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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Cameron Crum]

Wasn't there a German guy at MUM that made something like this?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 Doesn't have any mangt capabilities, nor dual power input...

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rwf
 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 Several years ago Proxim made a wireless system called Harmony.
 Their midspan POE (model 7562) is the device that fits what the OP was
 looking for.
 They are around Ebay and some of the surplus dealers.
 I can't remember the configuration but I think it was 6 ports.
 The Power output was the normal 4/5  7/8 and was, I think 12-18 volts.

 http://www4.shopping.com/Proxim-Harmony-power-system/info

 http://cgi.ebay.com/Proxim-Harmony-Proxim-Harmony-7562-/280425765945?pt=
 LH_D
 efaultDomain_0hash=item414aad9c39

 Ralph




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
 Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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 On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
  And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would

  appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a
  few months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.
  He had no idea why I would want such a thing..sigh
 
 
 
  So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting
  point of a bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:
 
 
 
  (1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12  24 ports)

 Of course.

 
  (2)  SNMP  Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

 Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why
 does
 it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network security
 system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated infrastructure
 management
 network right?

 
  (3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS
  Blue  UPS Red)

 Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power
 supplies be
 hot swappable?

 
  (4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy
 vs.
  UBNT, etc.)


 
  (5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af
  selectable per port.


 Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch
 for
 example). That would make the most sense to me.

 
  (6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

 Naturally

 
  (7)  Auto-Ping per port.

 What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a
 heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of
 course
 you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is a
 longer
 outage (like say flashing firmware or something)

 
  (8)  LED Status indicators per port.

 Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to
 being a
 remote support person that I never expect to have local access.
 Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw).

 
  (9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

 DC power is a requirement I think. On every model.

 
  (10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

 Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will?

  What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

 Think you about covered it.

 One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly
 dumb/cheap.
 They already meet all your above requirements (well don't know about
 redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily be done).

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Mark Nash
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:53 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
 
 
 
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