Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

[Harold Bledsoe]

https://fccid.io/SWX-M900/Test-Report/Test-Report-1260212

You can see that it was tested/certified on 5/10/20MHz channels.

-Hal

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed
> band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older
> links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had to
> move channels all over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT
> does not have edge filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to
> the middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
>
>
>
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read
> all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel
> widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the
> issue.
>
>
>
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu
> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
>
>
>
> *Steve Barnes*
>
> Wireless Operations Manager
>
> *New Lisbon Broadband*
>
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>
> *PCSWIN.COM *
>
> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Harold Bledsoe]

There may have been a 10G tri-band omni in our booth.  ;-)

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

[Harold Bledsoe]

Since we have more than one mounting option now and different folks want
different ones, we are pulling the mounts out of the radio box and letting
it be your choice which one.

The transition has been less than smooth. We are reminding all our partners
about this.

The sector is the first to change. The rest of the MetroLinqs will follow
eventually and will get a corresponding cost reduction.

Please bear with us and let us know if you have difficulty getting mounts!

Hal

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 3:33 PM Chris Ruschmann  wrote:

> I emailed them and they said they stopped sending them with mounts because
> the default ones don’t work…
>
>
>
> So I have an email in with the distributer trying to get some options for
> mounting the things.
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 11:19 AM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> I got no mount! Wtf ignitenet?
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Chris Ruschmann <
> ch...@scsalaska.net>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
> *Date: *Monday, August 29, 2016 at 2:43 PM
> *To: *WISPA General List 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> Yeah, on our Beta Gear we were seeing 600Mpbs. I haven’t got the new
> sector up to test as they apparently don’t ship them with mounts…
>
>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> You had something not setup right.
>
>
>
> *We have seen arguments about 600meg vs 800meg vs 1g type discussions..
> but if you were seeing 30... then you had something totally off...*
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Dan Parrish" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 5:55:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
> We've gotten some this week as well. Initial tests weren't too impressive,
> but I'm sure I can improve the RF alignment. At -55 on both sides, I was
> only able to pass about 30mbits/sec, which was much lower than I
> anticipated. How is everyone else faring in their tests? Please include
> RSSI and TCP performance if possible.
>
> --danp
>
> On 08/25/2016 03:13 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
>
> Just got these in, smaller than I thought they would be…
>
>
>
> Sector on the left, CPE on the right. I’ll get them setup shortly.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Harold Bledsoe]

Here's another option too:

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SMC-EZ-Switch-SMCGS26C-Smart-switch-26-ports-managed-desktop-rack/3191553.aspx

-Hal


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  Not sure if it's outdoor temp rated, but for the price of an HP
 1810-24G v2 (around $250), you really can't go wrong. Very good feature
 sets, excellent prices.


 http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/networking/products/switches/HP_1810_Switch_Series/index.aspx#tab=TAB2

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

  On 02/05/2014 10:49 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

 I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
 60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
 in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
 office, one VLAN per port.

  I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the
 configuration is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also
 seem to be missing a few key features like STP.

  I need a switch that has:
 tag/untag traffic on access ports
 run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
 1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
 min 16 copper gige ports
 outdoor temperature rated
 prefer runs on DC power

  Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs
 before, so no idea what is out there.

  Thanks
 Chris Fabien
 LakeNet LLC


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (notthe failedpower companyBPL trials)

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Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Their ability to fine an entity is covered by Title 47, Chapter 5, Section 502:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVEFILE=$$xa$$busc47.waisstart=1559935SIZE=1041TYPE=TEXT

-Hal

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
 FCC regulation made it mandatory to report. Its not optionional.
 They limited reporting detail to a level that they felt would not compromise
 other privacy or confidenciality or competition laws.

 With that said...
 I personally feel that the FCC is on legally weak grounds to force WISPs to
 provide such data, for a number of reasons.
 If I got a fine, I'd go to court to fight it, before I'd pay it.  However,
 if the FCC took the time to make the cortesy call, the party in violation is
 on the radar, and it would sure be much easier for the party to just report
 the data, after they got that call.

 I dont think the FCC has ever fined anyone or audited the data reported. I
 dont think it would go over very well if they did.
 But I surely dont think its worth the risk to test them. They have the
 authority to impose the fine on ISPs and WISPs for not filing.
 (unless over turned faught in court)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Webster
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

 I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Cameron Crum
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?



 One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative
 on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477
 form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
 soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with
 our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
 offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
 threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
 unable to tell us when the law went into effect, or which piece of
 legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for
 this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know.

 Regards,

 Cameron

 

 
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Re: [WISPA] The guy's name from airSync

[Harold Bledsoe]

Sriram.  He is on the forum as well.

-Hal
On Dec 13, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

 Spent time searching for the guy's name who put the airSync information 
 together,  'sing' something?  A little help here?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ligo Wave

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Justin,

Check with Ligowave support (supp...@ligowave.com) and get an updated fw
image.  It improves the performance quite a bit especially in noisy
environments.

And yes they are certified.

-Hal

On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:39 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
 Have deployed 5 of the Mimo ligowave units.  Not impressed when
 comparing to what they say.  Havign said that I am impressed with what they
 can do.  I have not checked lately.  Are they FCC Certified?





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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Harold Bledsoe]

6MHz is a weird channel size for our industry traditionally but in 5MHz
~25Mbps aggregate would be comfortable.

-Hal

On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 07:39 -0700, Ryan Spott wrote:
 Hey Steve,
 
 I use the cable-cos as an example. They get 30Mbit/sec for 6Mhz. (at least
 using docsis)
 
 ryan
 
 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 
  Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What channel
  width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF band
  of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to clock
  the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
  customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through trees
  and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?
 
  The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your penetration
  (800 Mhz).
 
  Someone enlighten me here.
 
  Steve Barnes
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Mike
  Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
 
  Awesome report!  Thanks.
  Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
  turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural
  market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse any
  channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some of
  the
  discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna would
  look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is by
  necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
  frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built to
  blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes to
  pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.
 
  Friendly Regards,
 
  Mike
 
  Mike Gilchrist
  Disruptive Technologist
  Advanced Wireless Express
  P.O. Box 255
  Toledo, IA   52342
  239.770.6203
  m...@aweiowa.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Steve Barnes
  Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
 
  This is a great report good job guys and thank you.
 
  Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from your
  posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to
  right.
 
  Steve Barnes
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jack Unger
  Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
  To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
 
  Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
  Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering
  and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
  to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
 
  The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
  Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
  Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
 
  All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all feel
  that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
  action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by
  making
  corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
  Whitespaces more practical and more successful.
 
  I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
  written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
  with
  the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
  part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please rotate
  the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.
 
  Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.
 
  Respectfully Submitted,
 
  Jack Unger
  WISPA FCC Committee Chair
  818-227-4220
 
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Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo......

[Harold Bledsoe]

We've put in a lot of effort to harden our devices.  The result is that
we have a very, very low failure rate on the CPE-2  CPE-5 -- a lot
lower than the previous Realtek based products.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

-Hal

On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 07:42 -0500, Jason Hensley wrote:
 Other than hard lightning hits (meaning, blew other things in the house
 too), I haven't had an Ethernet failure on one of these in a LONG time, and
 really, don't know that I've ever had just an Ethernet failure on one.
 Tranzeo's we had that way too often - would associate, would just not pass
 Ethernet traffic any more. 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Julius Igugu
 Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
 
 How good is the Ethernet surge protection on these new units? I have 
 lost lots of their previous model CPEs due to failed Ethernet ports 
 (some tranzeos and UBNT gear too!).
 
 Julius Igugu
 Webcenta Wireless.
 
 On 4/1/2010 1:25 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
  I haven't tried UBNT gear for our CPE's, but I know that about 4 years ago
 I
  dumped Tranzeo due to issues with dead CPE's coming to me.  I have used
 the
  XR3's and they seem to work great.  I went to Deliberant for my standard
  gear and haven't looked back.  Deliberant now has a CPE (2Ghz model or
 5Ghz
  model) that comes with an integrated antenna AND an external connector in
  the same enclosure with software selectable option.  Great solution and an
  outstanding enclosure!!  AND, $79.95 each on the 2Ghz, $89.95 ea on the
  5Ghz!!
 
  Rock solid stuff too.  We have had fantastic luck with Deliberant gear and
  don't plan to do anything different.  I've replaced all Tranzeo AP's with
  Deliberants.  We've been through Tranzeo, some Alvarion, Mikrotik setups,
  DigitalPath, and a couple of other very temporary tests, and nothing has
  done as well as the Deliberant gear has.
 
  No, I don't work for Deliberant.  No, I don't get anything from this -
 just
  passing the word on some great gear that few people seem to discuss on
 here!
  :-)
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:12 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
 
  Those of you using Tranzeo, have you tried Ubiquiti products?
  Hopefully the Nanostation2/5.
 
  What do you think about the differences in them (obviously besides the
  price!)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue that counts.”
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com  wrote:
 
  I'm buying 5packs of the slim lines for $90 per CPE.
 
  I have bought them as low as $85 when in 20 packs.
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  P.O. Box 126
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:43 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
 
  What is the price range of the Tranzeo CPE type units?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
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  continue that counts.”
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
 
  On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net  wrote:
   
  Never had any water issues.  Had around 1100 deployed at one time. Most
 
  of
 
  those are still out there.  Pretty solid until we started seeing
 ethernet
  issues with the backhauls and Mikrotik routers.  Then started seeing the
  issues with Cisco switches.  Great for CPE as long as you don¹t use them
 
  as
   
  a DNS resolver.
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Harold Bledsoe]

Well now that's not very nice


On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote:
 Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM
 To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
 
 Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz
 and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do
 what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of
 what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do including
 sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the
 first time out.  :)
 
 Bob-
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tim Edwards
 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
 
 I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in 
 my experience.
 Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at 
 least with the NorCal
 foliage we have here.
 
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 Chuck Hogg wrote:
  I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better
  than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
  imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
  their 900MHz option.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
 
  I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
  2.5
  mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles
  of
  that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
  Have
  2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
  XR9
  cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
  polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
  to go
  out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
  of
  throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll see.  
 
  Bob-
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
  Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
 
  We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and
  it's abilities.  How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare
  in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE?
 
   
 
  Patrick Nix, Jr.,
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  IT Manager
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet 5M

[Harold Bledsoe]

If you are in the US, you can look up the FCC ID to see what frequencies
are legal.

-Hal


On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 22:44 -0700, Tim Kerns wrote:
 I just received a couple to begin testing (more like playing with) and I'm 
 not sure of the Freq. it covers.
 
 The selections are :
 
 5180 to 5320 in 20 meg increments.
 
 5745 to 5805 in 20 meg increments
 
 but it also has:
 
 5500 to 5680 in 20 meg increments.
 
 Is this unlicensed spectrum?  I thought 5400 was, but didn't think 5500 to 
 5680 was.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Harold Bledsoe]

The Contains FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 means that the laptop contains a
certified module.  EEEPC or whoever the manufacturer is, still had to
get a Declaration of Conformity covering the laptop, module, likely
peripherals, and AC adapter.  What they didn't have to do is get a new
full certification for the system.  Just a DoC.  A DoC still requires a
lab test but it is cheaper than a full cert.

-Hal



On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 12:08 -0700, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters)
 
 I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63
 (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to:
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E
 xhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=141428fcc_i
 d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27
 
 In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was
 performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole.
 
 Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card:
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E
 xhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=287610fcc_i
 d=%27SWX-SR71%27.
 
 Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop.
 The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4
 omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector).
 
 Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my
 computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not
 type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the outside
 of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the unit to
 obtain it. 
 
 Thoughts? Comments?
  
 __ 
 Jerry Richardson 
 airCloud Communications
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM
 To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
 
 
 I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5
 which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use
 the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it
 certified again...  They told me not to get it tested because I didn't
 need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna.
 
 If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I
 am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final
 conclusion based on facts and I think we should.
 
 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102
 
  Original Message 
  From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
  
  On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
  
  
   Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci
 
   wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal...
  
  This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone 
  makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC 
  disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to 
  argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that 
  time the system certification requirement stands.
  
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[WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

[Harold Bledsoe]

Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)

-Hal




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[Harold Bledsoe]

I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90
licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected.
Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with
Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  This is covered with
a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically.

So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is
technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it
should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part
15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  In this case, a
Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location.

This is why the label is important.  This kind of system built from
modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model
number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about
unintentional interference.  This information tells anyone including the
FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this
example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case).
If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default.  Then if
there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module
maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed
properly).  Finally if there are problems with the unintentional
emissions, it is the system assembler's problem.

I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band.  So why does Part 15
even matter?  Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the
rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the
spectrum.  :-)

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT

 My system is fully licensed. 

How did you get your combination of XR3
+ Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna
certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you
just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification
process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over
the price of all those parts just to avoid the legal heat.David
SmithMVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


 Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
 just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
 my feet wet and have some fun.

 I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
 worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
 there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
 could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
 someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
 would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
 works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
 advance.

 `S

 PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
 how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
 which != MT.  (:


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that
WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer.  There needs to be some
sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc.
Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand
wireless.  :)  Then even if the algorithm understands wireless, if you
are using a single radio solution, there is considerable throughput lost
per hop due to this.  So ideally you would dedicate wireless interfaces
to each task of uplink, downlink, and serving customer (except the
gateway that has a wired uplink).

That's my take on it.

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 -0430

Mr. Bledsoe,

I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because  
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the  
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in  
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the  
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a  
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents  
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh  
performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only  
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The  
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.

Would you concur?

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are  
 talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the  
 best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service  
 set
 to give high performance.

 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website  
 with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).

 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what  
 you
 are getting!

 -Hal


 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

 Mr. Burgess,

   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
 bad?

 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

 Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
 and it works :)

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 MT and a consultant ;)

 /me laughing while running for cover

 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net

 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

Or ice cream.  :)


-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's
like happiness - there are many flavors...

Harold Bledsoe wrote: 

 Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
 about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
 
 If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
 There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
 infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
 strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
 path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
 to give high performance.
 
 On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
 mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
 should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
 the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
 outdoor selections).
 
 I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
 there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
 are getting!
 
 -Hal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: os10ru...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
 
 Mr. Burgess,
 
   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
 the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
 sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
 see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
 detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
 much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
 because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
 leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
 as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
 
   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
 bad?
 
 Greg
 On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
 
   
 
  Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
  and it works :)
  
  * ---
  Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
  WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
  WISPA Vendor Member*
  *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
  http://www.linktechs.net/
  */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
  http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp
  
  The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by  
  the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is  
  intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
  it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged  
  material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,  
  or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by  
  persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is  
  prohibited, If you
  received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the  
  material from any computer.
  
  
  
  
  
  e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  
  
   MT and a consultant ;)
   
   /me laughing while running for cover
   
   Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net
   
   Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
   To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
   Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
   
   
   Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
   just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
   my feet wet and have some fun.
   
   I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
   worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
   there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
   could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
   someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
   would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
   works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
   advance.
   
   `S
   
   PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
   how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
   which != MT.  (:
   
   
   
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

[Harold Bledsoe]

Blair,

Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit?  You
should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if
you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500

I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's
and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps
growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below.
-RickG

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the
 bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change.

 This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural
 areas, bandwidth ain't cheap.

 A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month.
 On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month.

 These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per
 stream.  Just how much of this can our rural networks handle?

 The sat. services can't do this.  The cellular providers can't do this.

 Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range.

 It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up.

 Is per bit pricing the answer?  Higher fixed monthly?  Traffic
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks for catching that...it must not have been updated when the grant
was received.  The PTP3 is in fact certified for US operation.

Internationally, it can operate from 3.3GHz to 3.7GHz.

-Harold

On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:53 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote:
 Jason,
 
 Thanks for that.
 
 According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US 
 operation.
 
 I do like the price point. I like it very much.
 
 
 Jason Hensley wrote:
  Ligowave 
 
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  Subject: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008
 
 
  Now that the 802.11y-2008 standard has been finalized, what can we expect?
 
  Will anyone be deploying gear in that spectrum? What vendors are the current
  players?
 
  Everything I have seen in that spectrum is using Wimax.
 
 
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers

[Harold Bledsoe]

The OP asked for OpenWRT support, and I don't think RBs support this.

-Hal

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 13:11 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
 The RB100 and 500s have been decent.  Most people have a lot of them.  I'm
 not a fan of them really.
 
 The RB400s have been absolutely amazing.  They (as Apple says) just work
 =)  Good performance, work well and RouterOS.  The right way to build a
 network!
 
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
  Andy,
 
  Have you seen www.routerboard.com ? They have some decent CPE for less
  then 100.00.
 
 
  Andy Loukes wrote:
  
   Hi
  
   iam looking some one to help me getting smalled board with low cost
   CPE for indoor use with the support of OpenWRT
  
   one lan + one wan + 1 ap
  
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Re: [WISPA] Equip Leasing

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have had good success with Marlin Leasing:

https://www.marlinleasing.com/marlinleasing/index.asp?menu=ml

-Hal

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 leasing firm? If so, who are you using?
 
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Re: [WISPA] cards

[Harold Bledsoe]

What CPU board are you using as this may limit your options?

-Hal

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Subject: [WISPA] cards
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:18 -0400



Hi,

We are currently using the Compex WLM54-SAG23 cards for customer
radios... however, we are having a lot of failures with the cards (due
to static, etc.). Has anyone found a better card that is in the same
price range?

thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

Be sure to note that these are linear power supplies and not switching.

-Hal

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:07 -0400

Here's the link, I had it bookmarked cause it was such a steal
http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2452565/vpcsid/0/SFV/31
734


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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:41 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Power Supplies

Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a
link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar
range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction,
or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies
(suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used
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Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios

[Harold Bledsoe]

Flex.  We were looking for a faster, cross platform configuration method
and flex/flash really works in this case.  We can support browser or
standalone on windows/linux/ppc and give a much better overall
experience with the configuration.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/overview/

-Hal

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From: Matt Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:10:48 -0700

Flex? or Ajax?

- Matt

Matt Hardy wrote:
 I've seen a couple of mentions of the slow interfaces today, so I
 thought I'd jump in and add something that you guys have to look forward
 to :)
 
 Jason hinted at it, but the web interfaces are being completely
 redesigned with a Flex back-end. This means that each click on the UI
 will no longer require the traditional PHP post-back or page re-load.
 This makes configuring a radio much much faster. 
 
 In addition to this style configuration, the new web interfaces will
 support on-the-fly or instant changes, so no more rebooting after
 every change. (this feature is optional)
 
 We should have something available in the next month or so :)
 
 -Matt
 
 
 On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 14:26 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
 Yes, we have used the Ligowave quite a bit for PTP. They work great. 
 (compared appropriately to equivellent class Atheros mpci radio card gear).

 I can say four things about their products

 1) They don't cut corners on hardware. Down to the pigtail, nothing but the 
 best.

 2) The software is powerful, flexible, and fully feature rich. (exception: 
 does not do MPLS or OLSR for non-traditional routing needs)

 3) BUT... the software slow to navigate and requires more system reboots for 
 some reconfiguration changes to take effect, than some of their competitors 
 do. This should be kept in mind when considering where appropriate to use 4 
 port/link units. (managing one link/port can effect another link/port). 
 Whether periodic 30 sec outages are OK or not, when reconfiguring.

 4) The tech team is very eager to help, and improve their code, at 
 customer's suggestions and requests.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios


 Just curious for anyone using these.  Can they be used for ptp shots
 (maybe with WDS), or do you need a different AP with this client?

 Randy

 Jason Hensley wrote:
 What new features are needed on the CPE?  I've dealt with a lot of their
 Ligowave radios and the only complaint I have is the speed of their
 interface, but I know they're working on that.



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Robert Norris
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:24 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios

 Deliberant is a good product with outstanding support.
 Yes I just put so in the field so far they work fine like the 2300 radios
 do. They have lot more features then the old 2300 radios did. The new 
 units
 are the same thing as Ligowave gear or the Wiligear. They need to add a 
 few
 features to the OS but nothing manger.

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 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:27 PM
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 ha...that is clever

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 Hey guys.  Anyone used the new Deliberant radios (CPE's) yet?  I love
 their
 new marketing campaign on their site!!  Very effective!

 Wondering what feedback anyone might have with their new ones (the
 CPE-2's).
 Good, bad, ugly?  Thanks!





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Direct Hit! ...NEED two Redline AN80s 5.4 and 5.8 ..FAST

[Harold Bledsoe]

John,

We have Ligowave PTPs available in GA at our warehouse (Concord, GA).
I think we also have a couple of integrated units in our office in ATL.
If you need for us to meet you somewhere in between we could do that
too.

-Hal

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Subject: [WISPA] Direct Hit! ...NEED two Redline AN80s 5.4 and
5.8 ..FAST
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:18:41 -0500

I just deployed my backup link and took a direct hit on a tower with two
Redline PTPs

Anybody have a Redline AN80i 5.4 and 5.8 in stock that I could drive to pick
up? I live in NE Alabama?

C. Wu, do you have anything in Atlanta?

Thanks,





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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

Right, Mike.  The FCC's thinking appears to be power density and not
just straight power.  This is why, with the same power, you will see
roughly a 3dB RX increase from cutting the channel size in half.

-Hal

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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:33:56 -0500

I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to 
channels of different widths, the same gross power is spread out. Each Hz 
receives less power in a wider channel.  This rule allows the larger 
channels to not face the power punishment.

Spectral efficiency has little to do with the channel width and more with 
the technology.  You can use an Atheros chipset to produce channel widths of 
5, 10, 20, and 40 MHz, but they all traffic roughly the same bits/Hz.

Squashing the entire band is something that'll happen when you're given such 
small bands and attempting to push big data over it.  That's where the 
contention requirements and synch of some kind come in to play.


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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field


 The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule
 should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow
 channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get a
 little face time with Julie Knapp and see if he can explain to me how they
 got this so backward. Maximum channel sizes would have been a good thing
 also to stop someone from building a radio which could squash everyone out
 of the band in one sector  or omni alone. I am scared sometimes when I see
 what comes from those who are supposed to be the leaders of our country
 involving spectrum policy.
 Scriv


 On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width.  It's up to the FCC to certify
 something for more than 20 MHz of channel space.


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 Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM
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 Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on
 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I 
 read
 on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your
 base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations 
 in
 your area?

 Thanks,

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  That's a lot easier *SAID* than done...
 
  Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures
  those depending on the type of traffic)
 
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
 
 
 
  Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar
  GPS
  settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues
  of
  interference.
 
 
 
 
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  Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
 
  John,
 
  From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same
  GPS
  sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can
  be
  timed together.  Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment
  to be
  certified.
 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

Which picture matches?

http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html

-Hal

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600

Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to
rebrand the product their own).

What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer.  The PS and Case
are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto.

Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is?

http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 

I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used?


Randy


3-dB Networks wrote:
 I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with
 Aperto gear.  We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork
to
 become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list
are).

 I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me...
 basically the too good to be true type thing.  Everyone else in the
company
 thought really the same thing.  Field testing, while not nearly as
extensive
 as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location
 i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line
of
 sight at full modulation was no problem.  We were even getting 6Mb or so
 through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away.  When I
 try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects!

 We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the
 company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international
 market).  I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested.

 I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug
6th
 to really grasp what this equipment can do.  So far I have been really
 impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are
 promising me is on its way out)

 Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John McDowell
 Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

 Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if
 you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

   
 What about APs?

 John McDowell wrote:

 I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of
72.
 Sub $400.

 Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now
 
 that
   
 it is available. Have they come down at all?

 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 wrote:



 So, how much does this stuff cost?

 Brian


 John McDowell wrote:

 I believe it.

 Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax
 
 3.65.
   
 Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on
a
 1-story house.

 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 wrote:



 Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-).  I am
 the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend
 products to a client.  Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied.  Now
 the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon.
 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 Mike


 At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:


 Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the
 poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for
 evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the
 performance described.

 Regards
 Michael Baird



 Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering
 traditional, D, and E products.


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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

They are made by the same company along with a Moto wimax cpe and a few
others...

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:54:18 -0500

The 300 looks like the Redline cpe

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Which picture matches?

 http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
  Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600

 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to
 rebrand the product their own).

 What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer.  The PS and Case
 are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto.

 Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

 Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is?

 http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82

 I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used?


 Randy


 3-dB Networks wrote:
  I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with
  Aperto gear.  We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork
 to
  become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list
 are).
 
  I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too
 me...
  basically the too good to be true type thing.  Everyone else in the
 company
  thought really the same thing.  Field testing, while not nearly as
 extensive
  as others have done on this list (we are limited by the tower location
  i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line
 of
  sight at full modulation was no problem.  We were even getting 6Mb or so
  through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away.  When
 I
  try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects!
 
  We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the
  company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international
  market).  I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested.
 
  I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug
 6th
  to really grasp what this equipment can do.  So far I have been really
  impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are
  promising me is on its way out)
 
  Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced
 
  Daniel White
  3-dB Networks
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of John McDowell
  Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
 
  Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if
  you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
 
  What about APs?
 
  John McDowell wrote:
 
  I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of
 72.
  Sub $400.
 
  Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now
 
  that
 
  it is available. Have they come down at all?
 
  On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
  So, how much does this stuff cost?
 
  Brian
 
 
  John McDowell wrote:
 
  I believe it.
 
  Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax
 
  3.65.
 
  Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on
 a
  1-story house.
 
  On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
  Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-).  I am
  the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend
  products to a client.  Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied.  Now
  the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon.
  Message-Id: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Mike
 
 
  At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
 
 
  Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the
  poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for
  evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the
  performance described.
 
  Regards
  Michael Baird
 
 
 
  Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering
  traditional, D, and E products

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

[Harold Bledsoe]

When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than
just MHz that needs to be considered.  Some CPUs have multiple cores,
hardware accelerators, etc.  For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in
some of our products.  Here are some of the accelerators that it has:

-Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues
per port for QoS support

-Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues 

-Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and
TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation 

-Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of
multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP
checksum verification   

-Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and
RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication
with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm

All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can
perform other functions.  Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator)
can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude.

-Hal
Ligowave

-Original Message-
From: Bo Ring [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500

 Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it  
 has the
 slowest processor in MHZ?

 Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series  
 at 200
 or 400? They did specify on their report.

 Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it  
 gets so
 much better speed at slower Mhz?

While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is  
a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient  
chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific  
environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might  
remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC  
when Apple first moved to them.

Bo Ring
Account Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515
16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585  
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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

I agree that CBP should not have been a requirement for the hardware.  A
listen before you speak protocol makes some bad assumptions about the
chances of a successful packet delivery.  For example, on a longer PTP
link, just because there is noise at the transmitter, it does not mean
that there is the same noise at the receiver.  On the other hand, there
may be a client that is trying to receive that is right next to the
transmitter, and it may not be detected by a listen-before-speak
protocol.

I do agree with a provision to mandate cooperation (although the
effectiveness or enforcement of this could be debated).  At least this
is encouraging parties to work together and in fact is usually in their
best interest to work together.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:53:53 -0500

Just to clarify my last post...

I was not supportive in all 50Mhz being allocated to WiMax.
I was supportive in all 50Mhz being allocated without the contention 
protocol requirement,
So there would be 50 contiguous mhz for a common platform.
Not requiring contention base, still allows choice of platform and 
technology, it just doesn't restrict platforms, nor protect any..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


I respectfully disagree.  In my opinion, any frequency that is tied to a
 particular standard by regulation will do nothing but stifle innovation
 in that band.

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:48 -0500

 I would like to see WiMax approved for the entire 50 MHz and do away
 with the contention mechanism requirement for the upper 25 MHz as
 required under the rules. I know this is a flip-flop of position from
 our earlier position but frankly I see this as a god opportunity for
 WISPs to move up to the next level of reliability and scale. Many
 people are building in WiMax with success in the 3.5 to 3.8 GHz bands
 across the world. If WiMax were the standard for the 3650 band across
 50 MHz then carriers could easily work together to band plan and move
 away from interference. With GPS sync the bands can be reused multiple
 times anyway. Sticking with one standard in this band just makes sense
 for us. It can be a WISP band if we do this. Spanking more out of
 802.11 is old news and needs to be put to bed. It is time to use a
 real platform for scalable and reliable outdoor wireless broadband.
 WiMax is the path to this in 3.65 GHz. 802.22 will be the standard in
 the TV whitespaces (hopefully). It is time for us to standardize and
 use something better than repurposed WiFi.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted.

 The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros
 mechanism is just an energy detection,  it will not be allowed.   This 
 is
 what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which
 were from the FCC to someone wanting certification.




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


 The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
 level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
 activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
 level (-62dBm).

 Although I agree that even -62dBm seems fair.  It would be very useful
 to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
 FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
 then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700

 That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and
 decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.

 I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is
 about,
 but when it declares that 802.11 does not detect dissimilar systems,
 then
 nothing can EVER be made to work.  After all, the whole listen before
 talk
 is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR

Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Fair enough.  All of our account sign-up forms have a required Ok to
email selection where there is no default and you must choose yes or
no.

https://store.ligowave.com/createaccount.aspx?

I guess this could be opt-in or opt-out depending on your view on
life.  :-)

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:00:23 -0500 (CDT)

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

No, really, we didn't harvest anyone's email from any mailing 
lists.  We are very careful to only market to customers of our 
companies (Deliberant, Ligowave, Wiligear, Wilibox) and have a very 
simple removal and opt out policy that we honor.

The world has changed somewhat over the past few years.  While I 
appreciate your opt-out policy, I feel the need to ask...is your 
marketing list opt-in in the first place?  I am not attacking 
here, but just wanted a bit of clarification.  For me, most of my 
customers are on an opt-out list, but the first email sent to that 
list was one that was not marketing at all, but a note telling them 
that I planned to use the email they provided me for a marketing 
list.  That was how I handled it, but each company operates 
differently.

I'm sure you all market to your customers in various ways, and we 
do the same.  We are also a vendor member of WISPA.

Vendor membership offers a lot of nice relaxations of the normal 
posting policies.  I am not accusing you of such a thing, but wanted 
to clarify that vendor membership does not provide a license to 
harvest... (I know you didn't harvest list addresses...)





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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

I respectfully disagree.  In my opinion, any frequency that is tied to a
particular standard by regulation will do nothing but stifle innovation
in that band.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:48 -0500

I would like to see WiMax approved for the entire 50 MHz and do away
with the contention mechanism requirement for the upper 25 MHz as
required under the rules. I know this is a flip-flop of position from
our earlier position but frankly I see this as a god opportunity for
WISPs to move up to the next level of reliability and scale. Many
people are building in WiMax with success in the 3.5 to 3.8 GHz bands
across the world. If WiMax were the standard for the 3650 band across
50 MHz then carriers could easily work together to band plan and move
away from interference. With GPS sync the bands can be reused multiple
times anyway. Sticking with one standard in this band just makes sense
for us. It can be a WISP band if we do this. Spanking more out of
802.11 is old news and needs to be put to bed. It is time to use a
real platform for scalable and reliable outdoor wireless broadband.
WiMax is the path to this in 3.65 GHz. 802.22 will be the standard in
the TV whitespaces (hopefully). It is time for us to standardize and
use something better than repurposed WiFi.
Scriv




On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted.

 The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros
 mechanism is just an energy detection,  it will not be allowed.   This is
 what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which
 were from the FCC to someone wanting certification.




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


 The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
 level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
 activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
 level (-62dBm).

 Although I agree that even -62dBm seems fair.  It would be very useful
 to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
 FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
 then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700

 That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and
 decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.

 I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is
 about,
 but when it declares that 802.11 does not detect dissimilar systems,
 then
 nothing can EVER be made to work.  After all, the whole listen before
 talk
 is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR.If that doesn't work, nothing can.  Or, only
 that device or mechanism the person passing judgement wants to promote
 will
 work.

 We would spectulate who has bought this favor from the FCC, but in
 reality,
 it doesn't matter.  I predict NO equipment will be certified for the rest
 of
 the spectrum and it will be auctioned for big bucks to some large entity.
 We'll still be in the same boat 2 years from now, with statements about
 we're watching the development of insert technology du jour here with
 interest.




 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:28 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


 Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is
 looking
 for, if there are any questions or comments feel free.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com


 Tony:
 Thank you for your inquiry.

 In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment
 authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz
 band.
 This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the
 requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation.  Thus
 all
 of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support
 that for similar types of systems.  They do not provide for recognizing
 and
 coexistence with other dissimilar systems.

 In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the
 system has to demonstrate

Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

We don't harvest from any mailing lists.  I will contact you
offlist.  :)

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:47:46 -0500

Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED],  i am fairly certain i did not 
give them my address at any point.  I suspect it may have been harvested from 
the list,  has anyone else seen a message from them today?

Ryan



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Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

No, really, we didn't harvest anyone's email from any mailing lists.  We
are very careful to only market to customers of our companies
(Deliberant, Ligowave, Wiligear, Wilibox) and have a very simple removal
and opt out policy that we honor.

I'm sure you all market to your customers in various ways, and we do the
same.  We are also a vendor member of WISPA.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:56:28 -0700


Ryan Langseth wrote:
 Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED],  i am fairly certain i did not 
 give them my address at any point.  I suspect it may have been harvested from 
 the list,  has anyone else seen a message from them today?

It's nothing an email to spamcop and a call to their ISP cannot fix. :)



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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
level (-62dBm).

Although I agree that even -62dBm seems fair.  It would be very useful
to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700

That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and 
decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.

I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is about, 
but when it declares that 802.11 does not detect dissimilar systems, then 
nothing can EVER be made to work.  After all, the whole listen before talk 
is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR.If that doesn't work, nothing can.  Or, only 
that device or mechanism the person passing judgement wants to promote will 
work.

We would spectulate who has bought this favor from the FCC, but in reality, 
it doesn't matter.  I predict NO equipment will be certified for the rest of 
the spectrum and it will be auctioned for big bucks to some large entity. 
We'll still be in the same boat 2 years from now, with statements about 
we're watching the development of insert technology du jour here with 
interest.





insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


 Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is 
 looking
 for, if there are any questions or comments feel free.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com


 Tony:
 Thank you for your inquiry.

 In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment
 authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz band.
 This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the
 requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation.  Thus all
 of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support
 that for similar types of systems.  They do not provide for recognizing 
 and
 coexistence with other dissimilar systems.

 In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the
 system has to demonstrate coexistence with different protocols.  At the
 present time the Commission reviews each application on its merit to
 determine if the system meets the requirements for such unrestricted
 operation. The Commission is monitoring the progress of IEEE 802.16h and
 802.11y working groups in terms of their plans to extend their respective
 protocols to support coexistence.  We are encouraged by this development 
 and
 think that they are in the right direction.  However, it is not a
 precondition for authorization.  In the absence of any industry standard, 
 we
 treat each application on a case-by-case basis.  One of the tests we do
 apply is the co-existence analysis recommendation currently under review 
 by
 the 802.19 committee.  We would expect to see some simulation to show how
 the proposed system would behave in the presence of other systems, the
 back-off strategies employed and approaches to fair sharing mechanisms.

 Please let us know if you have further questions.
 Thank you,
 Rashmi Doshi, PhD
 Chief, FCC Laboratory Division




 
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

[Harold Bledsoe]

But that's the million dollar question.  Will the FCC approve it if it
is not 802.11y?  I read somewhere that the FCC was waiting for 802.11y
to be approved before authorizing equipment in the upper part of the
3.65 band.

Otherwise, yes it is technically possible to implement this with atheros
based on energy detection threshold.

-Hal

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:15:17 -0400

We are looking into this now, it looks like it can all me done in the
MAC/HAL the way the spec is done but it's still a wait and see.  We are
looking at ways to do more of a pre-802.11y, as long as it passes the FCC
muster we are good.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors 
who support it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas?




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Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

[Harold Bledsoe]

The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel.  We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel.
The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to
improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better
2-way traffic handling, among other things.

70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in
a 20MHz channel though.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400

I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel 
maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the
cpu power and if you have enough fade margin 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

Ligowave is real close.  2.4, 5.8 in the same box.  900MHz solution.
70MBps
PtP, but not sure distance on that.  5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon
from
what I hear but don't know that for sure.  

 

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Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp
assumed) please let me know.
- Original Message -
From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions


 Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 
 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors.
 Who do you all suggest for:

 Unlicensed
 60+ Mbps
 up to 25 mile links
 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links)

 same vendor should also offer  a 900MHz solution for neighborhood 
 coverage (2-3 mile radius)

 Thank you,
 Zak Wolfinger
 IT Director - Cyberlink
 888-293-3693 Ext 4357









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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Anthony:

We offer a 2-radio and 3-radio mesh product based on a proprietary L2
mesh.  It takes into account wireless datarates, node loads, position,
etc. and was built specifically for wireless mesh networks.  There are
many advantages of L2 meshes over L3 meshes.  Our mesh products also
offer QoS across the mesh end-to-end.

Here are the datasheets for the products:

http://www.ligowave.com/landing/specs/LGOM2AGN.pdf
http://www.ligowave.com/landing/specs/LGOM3AGN.pdf

These are available from Deliberant and from DoubleRadius as well.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what 
Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low 
cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you 
will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there 
any other companies offering products along this line?

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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Harold Bledsoe]

Yes, and our system is built off of a customized version of this
software.

Harold Bledsoe
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 PM
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Doesn't WiliBox have something like this also??

Jory Privett
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??


I understand that Ruckus is going to release a mesh system. I have not 
heard when, but I believed it to be soon.

 Tim

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 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??


 You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
 anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
 exists.

 On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
 Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
 cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
 will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
 any other companies offering products along this line?

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RE: [WISPA] XR 9 cards

[Harold Bledsoe]

They are not.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] XR 9 cards

Seeing as the SR9 cards were not compatible with the Tranzeo TR900
series
and these XR9 cards are not compatible with the SR9 cards, does that
mean
the XR9 cards are compatible with TR900s?

SR9  TR900
XR9  SR9 
XR9 = TR900 :)

Can anyone comment on this?

ryan

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Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:30 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] XR 9 cards


From an email I received earlier, Chuck at QuickLink says they aren't
compatible.

===
Hello:

Ubiquiti announced the release of the XR9.  I can tell you from personal
experience in our beta testing phase with Ubiquiti that these cards do
perform better than the SR9.  However, they are not cross-compatible
with
the SR9.  Ubiquiti's announcement is below:

Introducing the first carrier class modular radio for the 900MHz
unlicensed
band. The XR9 utilizes an advanced noise immunity radio architecture
developed by Ubiquiti RF engineers through their customer interactions
and
field testing over the past two years.

The XR9 enables links at speeds and distances never before seen in a
900MHz
radio and is designed to operate in the harshest of environmental and
noise
conditions where other 900MHz have
solutions failed.

[Sales blurb trimmed.]

Chuck Hogg
QuickLink Wireless, LLC
(800) 405-9865
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.quicklinkwireless.com
===



Thanks,

Russ Kreigh
Network Engineer
OnlyInternet.Net Broadband  Wireless
Supernova Technologies
Office: (800) 363-0989
Direct: (260) 827-2486
Fax:(260) 824-9624
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [WISPA] XR 9 cards


We are currently using the SR9 cards, if our router is setup to use the
SR9
cards, can we also use the XR9 cards? We have a few customers that could
use
the features that are on the XR9. Really dont want to redo the whole
setup
for a few customers who hear noise every now and again.
Thanks for your help!
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Surfmore.Net




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RE: [WISPA] Radio choices

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have a new unit out this week that is based on Wilibox software.  It
can do everything you want except PPPoE.  Can you do PPPoE concentration
further upstream or put a wired box at the site for this function?

Virtual AP, Hotspot, WPA/2 PSK and Radius, etc. are all options for the
AP platform otherwise.

-Hal

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio choices

I am getting ready to expand my network by adding a couple of new
towers. The decision I am trying to make is what equipment to buy. My
plan was to use Mikrotik for a BH/AP, but with all the certification
talk, I am looking in different directions. I am looking for the
following features.

 

PPPoE at the AP

Virtual AP

Hotspot

 

These are the basics. I run my clients with PPPoe and have a virtualAP
setup as a hotspot to catch people passing through. Any one know of
certified equipment that is as flexible as Mikrotik? Have looked at
Deliberant but don't know if it can do the VAP and hotspot.

 

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.



 

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RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

[Harold Bledsoe]

I am not a personal fan of PPPoE as I consider it just another layer of
complexity and failure for the network.  A lot of people use it in the
US for user authentication and control though.

If I were starting out new, I would consider other alternatives to these
two problems.  For wireless client isolation, many APs on the market now
(and that have been on the market) support this feature.  Linux-based
devices with MAC filtering rules (e.g. ebtables) can use a simple rule
to check if the destination MAC is the gateway (if so, pass it) or not
(don't pass it).

For the user authentication and control via radius, you can look at
certificate-based, username/password-based, etc. that are all based on
standards and are much more secure.  If you APs support VSSIDs, then you
can run a combination of these on one AP.  :-)

-Hal

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:05 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE 
concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big 
advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for 
authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their

own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE 
concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address 
many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without 
changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make 
sense? If not then why not?

I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or 
off for non-payment  and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use 
Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds

like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are 
using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives

which work better?

Happy Easter guys and gals,
Scriv

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RE: [WISPA] Equipment Leasing

[Harold Bledsoe]

Here is a calculator you can use...

https://www.marlinleasing.com/marlin/enduser/quotecalculator.asp

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Equipment Leasing

Can anyone provide me with figures to use in a business plan for
equipment leasing ?

Using Tranzeo / Trango so far, will switch to Mikrotik based setups on
900 mhz / 5.8 ghz and continue to use Tranzeo and Ruckus Wireless CPE's
for 2.4

I need examples on what costs look like - per sub / per unit - package
pricing, etc.

I'll keep 'em to myself if you send 'em offlist...

Thanks

R

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RE: [WISPA] Getting the sticker.

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Rick:

1.  a yagi of equal or higher gain has to be on the module
certification.  If it is not, contact the module vendor to get it added.
2.  for your combination, submit to a lab to get a DoC.  You will need a
new DoC for every SBC/module/enclosure combination.
3.  Your sticker has to have some information on it with respect to the
module inside and the DoC compliance.  I'll have to look that up.

-Hal

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Getting the sticker.

Anyone understand the full process of getting something certified at the
FCC
?
 
I.e. I'd like to send in an RB112 with SR9, pigtail, LMR jumper, and Pac
Wireless 
Yagi to get certified as a combination.   And, every other combination I
use.
 
As I understand the rules, that would allow me to call that combination
legal,
as well as giving it a separate product name that I (or anyone I
subcontracted)
could resell it as, and then put this sticker conscious crap to
silence.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Actually we have recently added an LNA to this product that boosts the
receive sensitivity to -91 @ 11Mbps (same as the DLB25xx).  We haven't
had time to update all the product docs yet but will hopefully get to it
today or tomorrow.

-Hal

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:58 AM
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Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

Hi All,

I have to put in a system that'll do 17 miles ptp.  I can do it today
with a 
500mw amp and 8dB omni.

Anyone used one of these?
http://www.gnswireless.com/DLB2700.htm

Is there any receive gain on them?  If it's only -80ish receive
sensitivity 
it won't be able to do the same range as a standard radio/amp combo.

I am space limited at that tower site so this would be a nice solution
that 
would allow me to gain back quite a bit of room.  But whatever I put in
has 
to work with my existing customers at that site.

thoughts?
marlon

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RE: [WISPA] OTARD

[Harold Bledsoe]

Fascinating.  I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and
not base station devices.

-Hal
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:01 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] OTARD

 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE
OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES.   Found that Massport's
restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by
the OTARD rules and therefore granted  Continental's  petition. (Dkt No.
05-247). Action by:  the Commission. Adopted:  10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC
No. 06-157).  OET
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt

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[WISPA] 60GHz radio trial

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi guys,



Disclaimer: This is not a sales call, as I am not
selling this product. :-)



Now, to business. I need someone to do a 3-month trial
with a pair of 60GHz, 100Mbps full-duplex radios (PtP). I need the link
to be 500m. This is a 3-month trial and you are required to give feedback
(and return the units or buy them) at the end of the trial. The place I had
planned to deploy this unit in for evaluation did not work out so now I am
looking for a new one.



Anyone? Anyone? 



Oh I guess I should mention that you have to put up with me
for a day or so for the installation. :-P



-Hal

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RE: [WISPA] lightning

[Harold Bledsoe]

I have a friend that is a tech for VZ and goes around replacing cell
gear hit by lightning.  Even with the protection that VZ puts on their
equipment, grounding, surge arrestors, etc., let's just say he gets a
lot of overtime during the summer.  ;-)  No matter what you do to try to
protect the gear, you will still see some failures.  Of course, those
failures can be reduced by adding surge protection.

I think you have to look at the numbers to see if they work for you.  If
you can estimate your failure rate and the cost each failure costs, then
you can compare with the $30~50 more you will spend to try to protect
it.  Also, you can compare the cost to the cost of a radio that has
built-in surge protection (usually a few $$ more to pay for the
protection device).  If the numbers work out, then add the protection.
If it does not, then don't.

Of course there is also the health aspect I suppose...  ;-)

-Hal
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning

Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be
interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning)
experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year
due to lightning.
We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the
outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved
earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any
direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO,
owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so
prone to damage caused by lightning.

BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates
with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips,
tricks and wisdom.

Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE
installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20
per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection
compare with installations where there is none?


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
Your Hometown Broadband Provider
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- Original Message -
From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning


Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.  Knocked a
backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1
week),
another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.  I'm told the
probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.  Let's hope.

Brent Hegerfeld
East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning

We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential
subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts.
If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from
their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions.
As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The
added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out
by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur.


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
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$14.99 Home Phone Service
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- Affordable Upfront Pricing
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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning


If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a
rock
etc.) then 
it's your problem to deal with.

The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-).

I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any
other brand I've 
used.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq

RE: [WISPA] asset mgmt

[Harold Bledsoe]

Ditto on the in-house thing.  It seemed to be as much work to integrate
as it was to just do what we actually wanted.  :-)

-Hal


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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:00 PM
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chris cooper wrote:
 Im sure some of you have many devices to manage/track.  What packages 
 are people using for asset management?

We've tried a couple off the shelf inventory systems, but most of them
are too complicated in all the wrong places. The problem is, of course,
that they try to do everything that everyone could want, and thus
include a lot of extraneous/irrelevant features, and to use the features
you DO need, you have to find them in the middle of everything else.

(As an aside, if anyone needs a couple of handheld barcode scanners, I
may be able to hook you up...)

We're presently using an in-house inventory system, that I'm still in
the middle of writing. It doesn't have all the complex features, but it
does just about everything we need (and the rest should be done fairly
soon). As a bonus, it integrates fairly well with our billing system.
Not everyone has a programmer in-house, but if you do, that's probably
the best bet - you know you'll get something suited well to your needs.

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

[Harold Bledsoe]

Did you try both antenna ports? On the two that connected, were
the signals 12 to 14dB lower on both sides of the link?



-Hal



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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:50 PM
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This afternoon I removed the Prism card and installed MT on a WRAP
and the WLM54G. I currently only have 4 customers on it and only 2 reconnected.
Signals where 12 to 14 db weaker than the Prism. I decided after much
frustration to put the CM-9 in its place. All the subs connected almost
immediately with signals similar to the 200mW Prism.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold
Bledsoe
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...





We are currently using both of the Compex cards you mention
below with Wilibox software and are happy with the performance. Also, we
have both of the cards in stock now.



I think you will find the 54AG similar to the CM9 and the 54G
has a little extra power to make it a bit further. The receive
sensitivities are comparable.



-Hal



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From:
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McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:38 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...







I
am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but
am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the
CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9s in 5.8 for my backhauls
and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios
(2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them
is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they
have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems
similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US
distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and
RMAs.



Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

[Harold Bledsoe]

We are currently using both of the Compex cards you mention
below with Wilibox software and are happy with the performance. Also, we have
both of the cards in stock now.



I think you will find the 54AG similar to the CM9 and the 54G
has a little extra power to make it a bit further. The receive sensitivities
are comparable.



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From:
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McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:38 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...







I
am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but
am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the
CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9s in 5.8 for my backhauls
and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios
(2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them
is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they
have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems
similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US
distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and
RMAs.



Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have had a couple of cables that have shown link lights and passed
data sporadically.  We replaced the cable and it worked fine after that.
The cable did NOT pass the tester though.  :-)

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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

Oh, I was thinking re transmitions.  Like lost or bad or partial packets
or something...DOH!

The answer.  1 cable.  POE port to POE injector.
Cable test to be preformed in a could hours.

Brian

Paul Hendry wrote:

When I say re-terminations I mean do you have a single cat5 cable from 
PoE injector to RB532 or do you use any fly leads. Also, do you 
terminate the outdoor cat5 to a connector on the AP then a further 
internal short cat5 to the RB532?

  

Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector

and the RB532?



  

Where do I find this info?

Brian




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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: 13 September 2006 13:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies



Paul Hendry wrote:

  

Have you tried just using a different PSU with higher voltage and 
higher ampage?



yes.  I actually even set up a second test link on the ground with the 
bad board I just took down.  I tested with an extra 11 foot of cat5 
five on my ground test (276, not the 265 in the air).
The ethernet link was fine.  Bandwidth test showed me sending 24mb 
(laptop cpu maxed) vs the 3mb I can send at the tower site.  I can 
receive 14mb (RB cpu maxed) vs the 5mb I get at the tower site.
I have a fancy cable tester coming from a guy I know.  We'll see what 
it finds.

  

Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector 
and the RB532?

 



Where do I find this info?

Brian

  

P.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: 12 September 2006 17:51
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power 
side of things?
I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
confirm power first.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 



I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian
   

  

 



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RE: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant asWISPAsNewest VendorMember

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks for all the warm welcomes!  :-)  I'm happy to be here!

-Hal


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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:29 AM
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asWISPAsNewest VendorMember

Welcome Harold! (and Deliberant Wireless)

Good to have you here on list with us.

Now let's see what kind of specials you have running :)

Mac Dearman






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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:17 AM
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WISPAsNewest VendorMember

Hal,

Yay! You are a welcome addition to the list.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP





JohnnyO wrote:

Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
your participation.

Warm Regards,

JohnnyO !

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
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Subject: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest
VendorMember


  I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked
Harold

to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
is what he had to say:

Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25

countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the
competition.
 

Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP

industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer

the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on
the

market


Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
collaboration.

Harold Bledsoe

Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

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