Re: [WISPA] [ External ] Scott Stevens

[John Seaman]

This is so sad.  I had the pleasure of reengaging with Scott very recently on a 
tribal broadband project.  In fact he was at Wispapalooza, and by all 
appearances he was in good spirits.  Very sad.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of John 
Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 10:48 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [ External ] [WISPA] Scott Stevens

This note just came up on Scott Steven's Facebook page:

On a mountain top, overlooking the ocean, at a tower site in Northern 
Washington on Monday, October 15th, Scottie sadly took his own life. They say 
the spot was beautiful, and everyone knows that broadband technology was his 
passion; perhaps he is finally at peace.

He left behind three children; Sahara, Tate, and Ty. His dad Jay, mom Deb, 
brothers Shawn and Chad, and his sister Jenny. And many family and friends who 
will miss him dearly.

There will be a gathering to share stories, look at pictures of his life, write 
messages that will be carried away by balloons, journal memories in a notebook 
that will be given to his boys Tate and Ty and his daughter Sahara, and embrace 
all of those who lost him.

All are welcome, his kids deserve the opportunity to know their dad through 
your experiences with him. His laughter was contagious, his mind was brilliant, 
and like us all...sometimes, he could be a bit of a punk; no matter your 
history with him, come share your stories and hear all of ours.

An event will be created soon and the invitation is open to all. We will open 
the house up to guests on November 3rd, 2018 (Saturday). We would love locals 
to bring a dish to share too!!

November 3, 2018 (11/3/18)
Location: Hood River, OR
*Address will be in event details.
Time: 1pm to closing:)

Please feel free to message any of us for additional details:

Tricia 
Stevens
Chad 
Stevens
Juris 
Stevens
 (Jay)

We are all very sad and this is very difficult for the boys who are 11 & 9, and 
Sahara who is 19.
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Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

[John Seaman]

Hi all, I'll chime in here to clarify the point regarding TX Power.
Trango offers high power as a standard feature, and even higher power as
an optional key.  The Extra high power feature and I should also point
out that we also now support adaptive power control, meaning that as ACM
kicks in to downshift the modulation, it will simultaneously upshift the
TX Power.

11 Ghz
Trango:   256QAM   +21 dBm (standard) /   +24 dBm with optional key
QPSK +26 dBm
SAF:  256QAM   +12 dBm (standard) / +18 dBm (HP Model)
4QAM +19 (standard) / +25 (HP)

18  23 GHz
Trango: 256QAM +19 dBm / +21 dBm with optional keyQPSK +25 dBm
SAF:256QAM +12 dBm  (no high power option)  4QAM +19 dBm

Trango receive sensitivity is also considerably higher than SAF, so when
you combine TX Power and RX Sensitivity, the Trango System gain is 10 dB
better (or more) in some cases.

John Seaman
Trango Systems, Inc.
858-248-4006


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

I beg to differ, they have a new higher power option that requires a
license key.  Its only compatible with latest apex plus radios

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

Feature key is NOT required on Trango for more power. All the radios are
at full power regardless of the license key.

Travis

On 11/2/2012 6:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Having more than 20+ links on both manufactures here is my input:

 SAF Pluses
 Great UI Interface, simultaneous link config changes from 1
 end/polarity indicator Lightweight Low Power consumption Great mount
 No Feature keys
 5 years warranty

 SAF Minuses
 Lower Tx power
 Custom Antenna - ODU interface
 No full poe
 Fiber interface is optional - not field changeable from SM,MM No OBM
 port

 Trango Pluses
 More Tx Power
 Remec ODU Interface
 Built in Surge Suppression / POE
 Field replaceable modem
 OBM Port
 Copper/Fiber Interfaces

 Trango Minuses
 Heavy
 UI interface not great, some changes require reboot Higher power
 consumption Feature keys required for more BW and extra power

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Bill Gaylord
 Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] SAF vs Trango

 Can anyone help me out?  We are in the process of deciding which company
to use for 6 licensed links.  Both are similar in price/performance.
 Trango has more tx power and rx sensitivity, thus their antennas are
smaller, which is a plus.  I would like to know if anyone has any
experiences with either company and their products.  I met both in Vegas,
but there is only so much real info you can get from Salespeople.  Please
send any comments off list as not to pollute the list with opinions on
products.  If anyone would like to also learn what I learn from the list,
drop me an e-mail and I will be happy to forward the opinions I get on to
you as well. Thank you.

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[WISPA] Trango Training Event in San Diego

[John Seaman]

I wanted to let everyone know that we will be hosting a two day training
session at our manufacturing facility  in San Diego on Oct 4-5.  The
session will cover a wide variety of topics related to microwave
deployments including licensing, link configuration, troubleshooting,
monitoring, etc.   Anyone interested please contact me or your favorite
Trango sales rep off list.



Thank you!



John Seaman

Trango Systems

Email: j...@trangosys.com

Phone: 858-248-4006
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a WISP in San Diego, CA

[John Seaman]

Skyriver  can likely serve this location.  I have forwarded your email to
them and I’m sure they will contact you shortly.



John Seaman

Trango Systems,



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Behalf Of *Ian Framson
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:35 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Looking for a WISP in San Diego, CA



Hi Wisps,


Can anyone refer me to a WISP that services San Diego, CA?

I'm looking for 20 Mbps at the following location:

The Prado (Restaurant)
1549 El Prado
San Diego, CA 92101

Thanks in advance if you can help,



Ian Framson
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Re: [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?

[John Seaman]

Trango will be there.Looking forward to a week in New Orleans!



John Seaman

Trango Systems, Inc.



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2012 5:06 AM
*To:* a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
*Subject:* [WISPA] CTIA 2012 Next Week - ANyone going?



New Orleans, anyone going?



Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS

[John Seaman]

I guess this is a good time to mention that the TrangoLink-45 has a proper
implementation of DFS and is one of the very few radios which is actually
 FCC certified to work in this frequency band.   As is evident at LV.net,
the TL-45’s DFS mechanism on their many links is operating as it should,
and thereby avoiding the TDWR channel.





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Behalf Of *C.J. Sattler
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:06 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS



Just FYI, here at LV.Net(lasvegas.net) I have just completed a audit of
every radio i use and there a bunch of TLink-45s using frequencies close to
there but none within 40mhz of that frequency and the max they can use is
6dbm.



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Re: [WISPA] Press Release

[John Seaman]

Congratulations Travis!



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:39 AM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Press Release


Microserv, Inc Reaches
10,000 Subscriber Milestone

September 1, 2011

Microserv, Inc. announced today that the company has reached a subscriber
milestone by surpassing 10,000 active internet subscribers. This number of
subscribers is an exciting number for privately owned companies serving
rural America with high-speed internet services.

Travis Johnson, Microserv CEO stated “This has been my goal for the last ten
years. Reaching this number of subscribers in the rural markets we serve is
a great accomplishment. The entire company is proud that we have grown to
this size, and continue to grow each and every month.

Johnson added “Our services areas are some of the most competitive in the
nation, and we incur some of the highest expenses in the nation. We have
grown because of our superior customer service. We answer every incoming
call during business hours with a live person. No auto attendants, no
voicemail. We listen to our customers and they value that kind of service.



*About Microserv*

Microserv is a regional provider of internet access services covering all of
southeastern Idaho and parts of Wyoming. Microserv is a member of the
Wireless Internet Service Provider’s Association (WISPA), and was awarded
the 2007 WISP Operator of the Year.

Microserv has over 14 years of experience as a fixed wireless and wireline
provider. Services offered include fixed wireless, DSL, fiber optic and
domain hosting. Microserv currently has over 95 tower locations and covers
over 25,000 square miles of southeastern Idaho and parts of Wyoming. The
entire network is owned and maintained by Microserv with no use of any
outside vendors for backhaul or maintenance.

Microserv is a privately held Idaho corporation with no outside investors or
capital. It has never applied or received any type of local, state or
federal government loan, grant, subsidy or stimulus money and has been
profitable since the incorporation in 1997.

For more information about Microserv, visit
www.microserv.comhttp://www.cticonnect.com.



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[WISPA] WISPA Free Passes available

[John Seaman]

I know that a lot of WISPA members may be travelling to Orlando for the
WISPA/FISPA event.   As you may be aware, this event is being held the
same week as the CTIA Wireless Expo which is also in Orlando.  For a
limited time, CTIA Wireless, in conjunction with the exhibiting
companies,  is offering free show floor Platinum  passes - but you
need to register before February 16.



To register for a free pass, click on this link to register:
http://www.ctiashow.com/freepass/ http://www.ctiashow.com/freepass/
Enter  CTIALIFE when prompted for the Pass Code.

What is a Platinum Pass?

A Platinum Pass allows you to obtain a complimentary Show Floor
Exhibits Pass for International CTIA WIRELESS(r) 2011.

This pass allows entrance to:

*   Exhibit Floor
*   CTIA Keynotes
*   Plus all free Partner Events

Upon completion of the Platinum Pass registration form, you will receive
a Show Floor attendee badge email confirmation.

You must then complete your registration form by Wednesday, February 16,
2011, Midnight, Pacific time to receive your free Show Floor Exhibits
Pass.

Let me know if you have any problems with the registration.  Trango will
be exhibiting at CTIA and we look forward to seeing you in Orlando!

Kind regards,

John Seaman | Sales Director | Trango Systems, Inc. | +1.858.391.0010 xt
271 | www.trangosys.com http://www.trangosys.com/

Visit Trango Systems at an upcoming Industry Event
GSMA Mobile World Congress 2011, Barcelona, Spain, Feb 14-17, Hall: 2.0,
Stand: 2A126
CTIA Wireless 2011, Orlando, Florida, Mar 22-24, Booth 635

Trango Technical Certification Training, March 10-11, San Diego,
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Innovating Microwave Backhaul(tm)






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Re: [WISPA] CTIA Free Passes available

[John Seaman]

Sorry! Subject line should say CTIA Free Passes available



From: John Seaman
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: WISPA Free Passes available



I know that a lot of WISPA members may be travelling to Orlando for the
WISPA/FISPA event.   As you may be aware, this event is being held the
same week as the CTIA Wireless Expo which is also in Orlando.  For a
limited time, CTIA Wireless, in conjunction with the exhibiting
companies,  is offering free show floor Platinum  passes - but you
need to register before February 16.



To register for a free pass, click on this link to register:
http://www.ctiashow.com/freepass/ http://www.ctiashow.com/freepass/
Enter  CTIALIFE when prompted for the Pass Code.

What is a Platinum Pass?

A Platinum Pass allows you to obtain a complimentary Show Floor
Exhibits Pass for International CTIA WIRELESS(r) 2011.

This pass allows entrance to:

*   Exhibit Floor
*   CTIA Keynotes
*   Plus all free Partner Events

Upon completion of the Platinum Pass registration form, you will receive
a Show Floor attendee badge email confirmation.

You must then complete your registration form by Wednesday, February 16,
2011, Midnight, Pacific time to receive your free Show Floor Exhibits
Pass.

Let me know if you have any problems with the registration.  Trango will
be exhibiting at CTIA and we look forward to seeing you in Orlando!

Kind regards,

John Seaman | Sales Director | Trango Systems, Inc. | +1.858.391.0010 xt
271 | www.trangosys.com http://www.trangosys.com/

Visit Trango Systems at an upcoming Industry Event
GSMA Mobile World Congress 2011, Barcelona, Spain, Feb 14-17, Hall: 2.0,
Stand: 2A126
CTIA Wireless 2011, Orlando, Florida, Mar 22-24, Booth 635

Trango Technical Certification Training, March 10-11, San Diego,
California

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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

.
- Contact us or CTI for pricing off-list.  




John Seaman
Trango Systems, Inc.







-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Brad,

Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on
why Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango.  I've installed nine
Trango Giga links... so my opinion is based on my own personal
experience... not just the Dragonwave marketing material.  I didn't
repost these comments because many got tired of the whole
Dragonwave/Trango battle on the list.  I sent this to someone earlier
though... I could come up with more reasons if you wish... or just go
back through the achieves.

- Volume of product sold - Dragonwave sold $50 million dollars worth of
equipment last year... by all reports Trango sold only 100 links or so.
It is not unreasonable to think that Trango may not last in the market,
especially with them ditching their point to multi-point product.  

- Dragonwave 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz, 24GHz, and 38GHz is all
available now.  

- Lower power consumption

- Field Proven - Firmware releases are stable... Trango has only been in
the field for about a year now, and firmware by many accounts is still
buggy.

- CLI/GUI - Trango GUI is not useable, all commands must come from the
CLI.
Often these commands are confusing to use.  Dragonwave can be configured
either way easily.

- LED Alignment/Voltmeter Alignment - LED Alignment on Trango gear is
not as accurate as voltmeter on Dragonwave... can make aligning
difficult links that much harder (since you only have two digits vs.
four).  From my own personal experience on this one. 

- Better link margins when using the High Power product

- Trango 18GHz equipment does not cover the full band... I can dig up
the e-mail I sent to the list about this.

- Dragonwave does not have a waveguide adapter between the dish and the
ODU... this caused a few problems on the massive Trango deployment I did
(9
links)

The price difference is in the sub-$1k range.  I don't quote pricing on
the list unless it is an advertised special.  If you want a quote... hit
me offlist.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you

to back up your statements regarding close in price and performance 
much better.  Instead you've chosen to throw a stone at a competing 
product and run the other way.

I guess we'll have to chalk up your comments as all show and no go...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple 
threads on this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you 
want to talk about it offlist I'd be happy to.

As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave 
and let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal

opinion is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name...

compared to what I would consider the benefits.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

All,

When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20%
premium
for a Dragonwave product.

There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a

bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your 
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be 
more than happy to walk you through everything.

I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.

-Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much 
better?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a 
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in 
this case.

Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two 
products?  Close is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we 
talking $5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
experience in the past.

By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with some
of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If anyone is
interested in the promos let us or CTI know.


John 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin you
like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible experience,
cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

On 2/11/09, John Seaman j...@trangosys.com wrote:
 Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's

 units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
 shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
 specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
 greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone 
 outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
 database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
 to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
 acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would 
 our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
 itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
 also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
 utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally 
 deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
 mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
 operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
 Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare and

 gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
 Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
 and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
Trango is, and has always been profitable.

 I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
 handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
 similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be 
 aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
 TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4

 GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is 
 the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
 plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
 determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
 it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
 details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the 
 APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
 priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
 multiple port option allows users to completely segregate traffic from
one port to the next.
 Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE
Hitless
 ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will 
 move to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe 
 that Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct
me if
 I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
 is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very 
 short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of 
 cable.

 As for Daniel's other points:
 -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 
 11 GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
 -Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than 
 Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon 
 standard power version, which stands to reason.
 -Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly
stable.
 TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
 -CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface 
 on GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  
 Our firware engineers will enhance this in future releases.  The CLI 
 is very much like a Cisco interface and most users are very 
 comfortable in the CLI.
 -LED Allignment - the allignment tool has received rave reviews from 
 most installers.  One thing I'd like to mention is that our newer ODUs

 coming out, and all APEX models have built-in power detector in the 
 ODU to make the RSSI readouts more responsive than in the earlier 
 ODUs.  So the LED indicator that Daniel used

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
needed and as the installed base grows.

John

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Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
employees are there for support?

Randy


John Seaman wrote:
 And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
 old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
 WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
 experience in the past.

 By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with 
 some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If 
 anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.


 John

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin 
 you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

 I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible 
 experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

 On 2/11/09, John Seaman j...@trangosys.com wrote:
   
 Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of 
 Trango's
 

   
 units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
 shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
 specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
 greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone

 outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
 database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
 to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
 acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would

 our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
 itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
 also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
 utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally

 deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
 mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
 operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
 Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare 
 and
 

   
 gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
 Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
 and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
 
 Trango is, and has always been profitable.
   
 I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
 handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
 similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be

 aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
 TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 
 4
 

   
 GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is

 the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
 plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
 determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
 it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
 details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the

 APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
 priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
 multiple port option allows users to completely segregate traffic 
 from
 
 one port to the next.
   
 Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE
 
 Hitless
   
 ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will 
 move to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe 
 that Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to 
 correct
 
 me if
   
 I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up
often
 is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very 
 short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of

 cable.

 As for Daniel's other points:
 -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18,
 11 GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
 -Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than 
 Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon 
 standard power

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Thanks Tom,  we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are
very low.  We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz
market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency.  I do
know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing
fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are
so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that
has been our perception of the market so far.  I would like to hear
others view points on 24 GHz.

John

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 The only reason we don't attach
 it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a 
 waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want 
 to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used 
 with any dish with a waveguide flange.

Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower
DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed
dish.

As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I
can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't
possibly go wrong with either purchase decission.  But, we have reached
a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical
compromise anymore 
to gain a better price.   I will not get into a debate of which
product is 
better, as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less
preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal preference.
But I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their
price higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching.
There was a time that Dragonwave was considered the premium product,
but today there are many buyers that would argue the opposite that
Trango is now becomming the more premium product.  I'll leave that
decission to the prospective buyer.

What I'd like to see from Dragonwave, is for them to give their
distributors better prices consistently by default, so they can be more
competitive.  I think their quality resellers deserve that assistance,
and the markup they add to generate sales.

What I'd like to see from Trango, is for them to embrace 24Ghz, and add
it to their collection. There is a Huge market for this, to empower
WISPs to close deals and isntall links without delay.
(even if they were converted to 23Ghz licensed down the road).

What would be really cool, is a 23Ghz unit that was wideband and
supported 23Ghz through 24Ghz, where software implemented the neccessary
power reductions at 24Ghz unlicensed to keep it legal, when the channel
was selected. I do not know if that is technically acheivable or not,
without compromise.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: John Seaman j...@trangosys.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link


 Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
 units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
 shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
 specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
greater
 and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
 the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
 overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
 the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance,
traction
 and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
 acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
 TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
 excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well
as
 the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest
quantities
 of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy
by
 far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
 strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
 away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
 and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year,
it
 was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
 quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

 I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
 handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
 similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
 aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
 TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
 GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Matt, there is no DFS detector in the Atlas5010. It was not a firmware
issue, but rather a hardware limitation.   That is why we released the
5055, aka the TrangoLINK-45 which is essentially the same product as the
Atlas but has DFS support for the UNII band.   If you bought the 5010s
before the FCC cutoff in 2006 then you are legally allowed to use the
5.2/5.3 GHz band with the 5010.  The old firmware for the 5010s that
operates without DFS is available on our archived FW download page.

Promotions will come and go.  I am pretty sure all the vendors have
engaged in promos at one time or another where the promo price is
equivalent to, or better than standard volume based pricing. In your
case it may have been unfurtunate timing where the promos came out
shortly after the volume purchase.  

John


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Trango has a way of destroying their reputation even when their product
is not at fault. We've had them offer us volume discounts only later to
see the same price offered without a volume requirement as part of a
promotion. I can't get a modern firmware for our older 5010s that
operate in 5.2 because the new firmware turns on DFS even though our
radios are grandfathered. It is sad they never updated their Atlas
platform.

-Matt

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 That was exactly my point, Patrick.

 With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP 
 products - what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who 
 have these deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...

 Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been listening

 in on
 all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.   
 All the
 backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the 
 coming months, years.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com 
 wrote:

 From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
 might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions

 of waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and 
 random changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a 
 fair assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a 
 value play has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who

 historically counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed

 with the rapid uptake of the product across verticals, which is not 
 an easy feat.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]

 On Behalf Of John Seaman
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and 
 Ray.
 We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays 
 profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as 
 needed and as the installed base grows.

 John

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]

 On Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us 
 about the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many 
 other employees are there for support?

 Randy


 John Seaman wrote:
 And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are  
 some
 old horror stories out there but far more success stories of 
 succesful
 WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a  
 bad
 experience in the past.

 By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with 
 some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If 
 anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.


 John

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin

 you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

 I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible 
 experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

 On 2/11/09, John Seaman j...@trangosys.com wrote:

 Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of 
 Trango's



 units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we

Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

[John Seaman]

This is completely UNTRUE!   I would like to find out who sent you this
email because it is absolutely false and slanderous.   If you don't mind
I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email
off-list.  Thank you very much.


John Seaman
Trango Systems, Inc.  
j...@trangosys.com




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Wallace Walcher
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question

I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to
Trango.  The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but
Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may
want to consider another product.

Can anyone confirm/refute this?  I have been seriously looking at their
licensed links.

Thanks.

Wallace L. Walcher
Airosurf Communications, Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

[John Seaman]

Thanks Brad!   I guess the rumor mill is running out of new rumors so
they are recycling some old ones.   

As I mentioned, our engineering resources are well intact.  In fact for
anyone interested, I would like to make an invitation to come see for
yourself and visit us at our facilities in the San Diego area.  We love
to give factory tours.  We do offer free training on-site here on the
last Thursday of each month, and a training day would be an excellent
time for a visit (especially if you want to escape the cold weather this
winter).  Training covers all aspects of deployment and operation of
TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX products.  Anyone interested in training please
let me know off-list.

Also - I wanted to make a correction to my earlier posting.  As somebody
pointed out to me - the original statement from the reseller was not
slanderous.. it's libel!  (I admit I had to look up the definitions)

John

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

John, as you know we also heard this rumor some time ago and brought it
to your attention.  It'll be interesting if it's the same source.

You know you're making an impact when the competition stoops to a level
like this.

Keep up the good work!

Best,



Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question

This is completely UNTRUE!   I would like to find out who sent you this
email because it is absolutely false and slanderous.   If you don't mind
I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email
off-list.  Thank you very much.


John Seaman
Trango Systems, Inc.  
j...@trangosys.com




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Wallace Walcher
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question

I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to
Trango.  The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but
Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may
want to consider another product.

Can anyone confirm/refute this?  I have been seriously looking at their
licensed links.

Thanks.

Wallace L. Walcher
Airosurf Communications, Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] Distance on 18ghz with 2' dishes?

[John Seaman]

We do lots of the calcs every day (with PathLoss 4).  If you want us to
run a path calculation, what we would ask for is GPS coordinates, AGL
heights, desired throughput, and reliability requirements (4 nines, 5
nines, etc).  The outcome of the path calculations also largely depend
on your region, since rain fade is a critical factor when considering an
18 Ghz link. If you want us to run a path profile for you let me know.

John Seaman
Trango

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Depends on manufactuer, product and reliabilty goal.
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Subject: [WISPA] Distance on 18ghz with 2' dishes?


Anybody have an idea of what distance can be achieved with an 18ghz link
and
2' dishes?

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Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials

[John Seaman]

Rick, we can donate some gear.  I can offer up a TrangoLINK-45 PtP, and
a few APs.   If you get in touch with Cliff find out exacly what
frequencies he needs (for the APs), where he needs it and we'll get it
shipped out today.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:41 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials

Thanks Mark, I have logged these items in our spreadsheet.  Once Cliff
sends me a shipping address I will post it.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials

I've got some Trango Fox SU's.  Not sure how many.  I believe I have a
Trango AP as well.  5830 I think.  In a few weeks I'll be taking out
some old BreezeCom (Alvarion) SU-I-D-1D's (2.4GHz).
- Original Message -
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Needed Materials


 Cliff just responded to me that he could use the following items.  
 Here is an excerpt of his email.



 Trango Atlas P2P's
 Trango AP
 Trango SU's (5830's and Fox5800)
 Old Alvarion 2.4 AU's and SU-A's
 Alvarion 900 AU and SU's

 Most importantly, Alvarion VL 5.3Ghz AU and SU's

 We also have some Mikrotiks too.

 Also I will be needing typical mast, tripods and mounting supplies 
 (anchors, tape, etc.) I'm not sure about what I will be able to find 
 locally. I have picked up some of this stuff, and have asked two other

 techs who evacuated to see what they can gather up on their way down.



 If you can compile a list of what people have available, I'll take 
 what I can either through generous donation or discount. Then, I'll 
 source the remainder.

 When I get a better assessment this week as I return. I'll send you a 
 damage report. However, I can't get a good picture of the subs until 
 they start returning.

 Hopefully I can get to the office tomorrow and get reliable Internet

 service to communicate with others again.

 Thanks again.
 Cliff



 Please send me an email if you can donate any of the above items.



 Respectively,

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone service Pasco Wa.?

[John Seaman]

I'm pretty sure Benton County PUD serves there.  You might also try
Pocket Inet.

John 

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Subject: [WISPA] Anyone service Pasco Wa.?

We're at 2731 Birch Rd., Pasco.

Customer is at Contact Dale at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  He's on Sat. but
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[WISPA] 900 MHz Horizontal Omni Recommendation

[John Seaman]

Anyone here have specific recommendations for good 900 MHz Horizontal
Omni antennas?  
 
Thanks,
John



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Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme

[John Seaman]

We're still in the PtMP business.  It's just that we don't have any new
PtMP products to release.  M5830, M5580. M900, M2400 are still alive and
well. 

John

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme


Did I miss some sort of announcement from Trango about not being
in the PtMP business any longer?  Can you elaborate?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme

They have worked with Trango in the past.  You'd think they'd license
Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business.

 I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue.  In our dialog,
they
 said
 they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be

 done, if at all possible.

 I soon will be evaluating other options.


 --
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme


 Hi,

 For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol 
 re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new
 recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email
them
 directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they
are
 listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they
get
 enough requests to fix it.

 Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many
people
 are interested.

 thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv







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Re: [WISPA] Pathloss 4

[John Seaman]

We use it every day for running path profiles and microwave reliability
estimates for customers... I would say we definitely got our money's
worth.   

John Seaman
Trango Broadband

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:35 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Pathloss 4

Anyone on the list using Pathloss 4?  Just trying to figure out if the
money is really worth it.

Thanks!

Daniel White
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Site

[John Seaman]

 
We are back in business.  Thanks everyone for your concern.  The last
several days were pure chaos here in San Diego county.  Many of us were
evacuated from our homes at 4 am Monday morning as the flames were
approaching various neighborhoods.  The immediate area where the Trango
facility is located was also evacuated.  Unfortunately we lost
communication to our building and we were not able to get to our
facility until this morning to bring our connection back up.

Everything is fine here at Trango - as it turns out the fires did not
come too close to our facility.  We are back in operation today and will
commence shipping this afternoon.

So far I have not heard of any Trango employees who lost their homes
although many of our neighbors were not so lucky.  In my case there were
about a dozen homes in my neighborhood that were lost.  My house is
still standing.  We really need to thank the firefighters that saved the
majority of our neighborhood.  I learned that in my area yesterday were
fire departments from Compton, Downy, Vernon, Montibello (from the LA
area).. Also the Marines and Coast Guard were doing area drops.  

We have a small staff that has arrived here at the Trango faclity.  Many
of our employees are busy taking care of their families as there are
many of us still evacuated from our homes.

We at Trango learned something from this experience and that is to
practice what we preach with regards to redundancy in our networks.

Thanks again to all who expressed concere.  We apologize for the
inconvenience this caused to our customers and we are working very hard
to get back on track with scheduled shipments and we should be fully
staffed and 100% operational by the end of today and going into
tomorrow.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] Trango Site - Email has different SMTP
TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

WISPA just received the following note from Jeff Mabry at Trango:

I'd like to notify all of you that Trango Broadband Wireless is in the
midst of the wild fires which are burning out of control in San Diego
County.  Our facility is safe from harm, however, the national guard has
shut down the roads into Poway and evacuated all the residents in the
surrounding area, therefore our office is closed today.  We anticipate
that the roads will be open tomorrow and business will return to normal.




Larry A Weidig wrote:
   More than willing to cut them some slack, just curious.  Thanks
for 
 the updates from everybody.  Hope that everything can get under 
 control out there and you guys are minimally affected.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:27 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Site

 I believe they are in the San Diego area which is heavily impacted by 
 the Southern California wildland fires. They may have a) evacuated, b)

 lost power, or c) lost Internet access. I'm in the LA area and the 
 wireless ISP serving me lost power at their access point location 
 (above

 Topanga and near Malibu) and was off the air from about 4 PM yesterday

 until 1 AM this morning  They said backup generators were not 
 permitted on the mountaintop so they were saving their last 3-4 hours 
 of battery backup to use this morning for the first  few hours of the
business day.

 I think commercial power has now been restored to the mountaintop 
 because Internet connectivity has now been up since 1 AM.

 Anyway, it would be good to cut Trango some slack as circumstances may

 be beyond their control.

 jack


 Larry A Weidig wrote:
   
  Are others having problems with Trango's web site/phones.  We
have 
 not been able to get to their site the last couple of days.
 
 Tried
   
 calling to see what is up and ended up in voice mail for the general 
 mailbox.

 * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
 * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free   


 
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RE: [WISPA] ISPCON - WHOSE GOING?

[John Seaman]

As a new vendor member of WISPA, Trango will be most definitely be
represented at the reception.  Looking forward to seeing the gang.

John Seaman
Sales Director
Trango Broadband Wireless


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON - WHOSE GOING?

At 8:38 AM -0400 10/15/07, Anthony R. Mattke wrote:
Anyone planning a WISPA gettogether?

We're flying out this afternoon and wouldn't mind hooking up with 
people later tonight. (Dinner, Bar, etc.)

-Tony

George Rogato wrote:
I'll be there

Mac Dearman wrote:
I thought I would see who is planning to attend ISPCON?

We need to make a plan!

very evil grin
Mac

There is a WISPA reception Tuesday evening for WISPA members. (For
non-members, stop by the WISPA booth to get an invitation).

Chuck
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[WISPA] Trango Licensed Product Training in San Jose Next Week

[John Seaman]

For anyone going to San Jose next week I wanted to make you aware that
Trango will be hosting a free Certification Training session for our
TrangoLINK-Giga licensed PTP system.  The training will be held at the
San Jose Hilton (adjacent to the convention center) on Thursday Oct 18
at 12:30 PM (after the ISPCON exhibit).  The training is free and it
covers complete configuration and troubleshooting on this exciting new
product.
 
Any interested WISPA members please contact me off-list for more
information or to RSVP.
 
Thanks and best regards,
 
John Seaman
Director of Sales
Trango Broadband Wireless
858-391-0010 ext. 271  (NEW TELEPHONE #)
 
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[WISPA] Sherianne Mabry

[John Seaman]

For those of you who know Jeff Mabry, I wanted to let you know about a
tragedy which occured earlier this week.  Jeff's wife, Sherianne Mabry
was killed in a car accident on Monday. Please join me in extending
your thoughts and prayers to Jeff and his family during this very
difficult time.  Please see below for information about the funeral
services and memorial fund.
 
Visitation will be Thursday night starting at 5:00 pm at Milner  Orr in
Lone Oak, KY. 
Funeral will be at the Central Church of Christ in Paducah, KY on Friday
at 11:00 am.  Visitation will begin at 9:00 am.
Instead of flowers and plants for the services Jeff has requested
donations for a fund that is being set up in Sherianne's name (At City
National Bank in Metropolis, IL) for Jeff's two small children, Hannah
and Aaron.
  
John
 
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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history

[John Seaman]

The connectorized 5830 AP (part number M5830S-AP-EXT) will be available for 
shipment in about a week.  It is certified for use with the 120 degree sector 
and omni from Pac Wireless as well as the dual-pol 90 deg. sector from 
Radiowaves.  Stay tuned for info on the Atlas AP.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


Trango is clearly trying to get their product deployed before more
inexpensive WiMAX CPE hits the street.

- They announced their $149 CPE (in 30 packs), but must install M5830 AP as
a transition
- They announced a M5800 $300 rebate/tradein program for your old APs
- Don't know if they have announced yet but I have heard they will have a
connectorized M5830 AP so you don't have to purchase 6 AP's then replace
them

I don't have an idea of the timing on the Atlas AP.  That would be nice to
hear about...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 Thats one of the trade offs, 5800 is end of lifed :-(
 I don't mind retiring 5800AP in favor of next generation AP.
 What I mind is reitring 5800AP to replace it with a last generation
5830AP,
 that most likely will need to be re-replaced shortly after by an OFDM AP.
 I still think the merit of accomplish a quality $150 CPE is amazing.
 But I'd wish they'd get the Atlas AP comming, so we can see if the M5580
is
 a usable or non usable OFDM product.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history


 I just wish the new units worked with the 5800 AP's...

 On 1/18/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened.
  It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have
been
  in
  shock.
 
  Last year when Betas were send out, they asked, how many we wanted to
buy,
  before they shipped.
  This year, they just sent them, and I wasn't told the price.
  Was it sorta like a restaurant with no prices on the menu?
  Send us the gear to see how nice it is, and then tell us the big price
tag
  after we realized the advantages?
  Think about it, Like a Fox, but will be able to do up to 30 mbps, cross
  platform supported!
  They jsut released a Fox-D2 for the low price point model. The M5580 was
  likely going to have a bigger price tag, if I guessed.
  What was it going to be, $300, $400, $500?  When I heard $150 today, I
  able
  shxt myself. I was blown away. I never expected it.
 
  I remember three years ago, when everyone was talking about the 2 year
ROI
  on equipment, wishing that if they only had a $500 CPE! And one came,
  thanks
  Trango. And then some people started getting greety and pushing the
  limits,
  and said If we only had a $300 CPE. And sure enough it came. Thanks
  Trango.  (Also a few others like Tranzeo releasing 2.4Ghz for under
$150).
  Some jerks actually had the nerve to then say, if I only had a $150
  CPE!.
  It just plain got rediculously funny at that point. Then Like Emeral
would
  say BAM! Trango did it agin, $150.  This is truly a defining
  moment
  in history.  No NOT for a commodity WIFI product, not for a 2.4Ghz
  product.
  But for a Commercial Robust WISP product! Equivellent to what we easilly
  paid $500 for, less than a year ago.
 
  I was lucky to share an experience this past October at a Trango
meeting.
  After the reception, some of us stuck around to hang out. We were all
  dreaming about what we needed, to be more successful and sell more
radios.
  Then out of nowhere Z gets all serious and asks What If...we had a
$200
  CPE? We respond, how much quantity would that take? 5000, 10,000?
  Instantly, Travis is like, at that price I'd commit to 5000, 1000 at a
  time. Then I was like, I'd take 500. Etc, etc.  Then we all realized
we
  were dreaming and drinking way to much wine, and called it a night.
CPEs
  were still $400 at that time, ya know. God what a poker face! I thought
Z
  was kidding!  And the irony in it all, quantity 10,000 is not required!
  Just
  qty 30! And its only $150, not $200!  I just don't know what to say.
 
  I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to be in the tech room
  tommorrow. I'm going to be in the marketing room, making new materials,
  and
  crunching numbers.  Our business plan may have just changed overnight,
  with
  this recent Press release. Think about the potential!  The residential

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios

[John Seaman]

Hi Matt,  I just wanted to chime in here and let you know that although we are 
not using distributors any more we are committed to providing excellent 
customer service and are striving to have all products on hand at all times.  
Typically as long as we receive orders before 3 pm PST, we can ship same day.  
Trango got its start as a direct sales company and we have found that using the 
direct model we are able to best respond to the needs of our customers.

John Seaman
Trango Broadband Wireless

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:53 AM
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Subject: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios - Email has
different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses


A better product is nice and all, but there is more to product selection 
than just price/performance. We have to take into account availability. 
With distributors we can rely on them to stock a product, so that when 
we need it in a short time frame it is available. Distributors provide 
other benefits as well that I am sure most on this list are aware of. 
With Trango's actions we simply can't buy from them.

-Matt

Mac Dearman wrote:

 Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on the 
 Trango issue!

 I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one 
 and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will be 
 very competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in the 
 production of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think they 
 are going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola?

 Mac Dearman
 Maximum Access, LLC.
 www.inetsouth.com
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 318-728-8600 - Rayville
 318-728-9600





 Matt Liotta wrote:

 We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some 
 of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share 
 experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have 
 experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some 
 better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets 
 our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We 
 would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to 
 use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other 
 reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the 
 flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but 
 the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi 
 being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route.

 Any thoughts from the list?

 -Matt



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