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Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

[Paul Rice]

We used this Vendor's sectors in university deployments.  I highly recommend 
them.
Paul Rice

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From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:50 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors

> I can highly recommend this little known vendor based in Ireland.
>
> http://www.stelladoradus.com/dual.tri.band.antennas.php
>
> As noted on the web page the US contact is:
> pspoo...@mindspring.com
>
> Best,
>
> leb
>
>
> At 5:17 PM -0500 11/3/09, Eric Rogers wrote:
>>Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors?
>>
>>
>>
>>Does anyone know of any that are 120*?  I have found some that are 90.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric Rogers
>>
>>Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>
>>(317) 831-3000 x200
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

[Paul Rice]

they were a single element, claimed to be 10 dbi, but I am not sure what 
they actually were
the elements were crap, and I just tossed em

--
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:38 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

> How many DB were the 900Mhz elements? 10?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul Rice" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
>
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> They already gone, sorry.   But, I have some good news, I had 50+ of the
>> enclosures with 900MHz antenna elements, that I dropped off at
>> titanwireless, If you guys want to get those and talk to superpass for
>> antenna elements, there would be a good deal to be had.   Also I dropped
>> off
>> 20 ituner mini-box Alix (WRAP boards) outdoor enclosures brand new in the
>> box.
>>
>> Yeah they are the same as the pictures posted on the list.
>> If there is a big demand for these, I can forward your info to my Chinese
>> go-between.
>>
>> btw, I've got some a good qty of 2.4 to 902-928 frequency converters that
>> put out up to 1 watt.
>> now that 900 mhz cards are available, I don't have a use for them and
>> would
>> let them go very easily.
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jayson Baker" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:54 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
>>
>>> Are they exactly the same?  Do you have a picture?
>>>
>>> If so, yeah, I'll probably take them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice
>>> >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to get them from China.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box.  Want em?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>>>> To: "Jayson Baker" 
>>>> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
>>>>
>>>> > Iirc
>>>> >
>>>> > Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure
>>>> >
>>>> > Similar to trango but not an exact copy
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, "Jayson Baker" 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan
>>>> >> Wireless years
>>>> >> ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
>>>> >> having
>>>> >> the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who
>>>> >> makes
>>>> >> them, or where we could buy a couple more?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [image:
>>>> >> ?
>>>> >> ui=
>>>> >> 2&v
>>>> >> iew=
>>>> >> att&
>>>> >> th=
>>>> >> 124c008fa82282ec&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c008fa82282ec&zw]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [image:
>>>> >> ?
>>>> >> ui=
>>>> >> 2&v
>>>> >> iew=
>>>> >> att&
>>>> >> th=
>>>> >> 124c00924c58a1f4&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4&zw]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [image:
>>>> >> ?
>>>> >> ui=
>>>> >> 2&v
>>>> >> iew=
>>>> >> att&
>>>> >> th=
>>>> >> 124c0094cee1f93e&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93e&zw]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks!
>>>> >> Jayson
>>>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

[Paul Rice]

Hey guys,

They already gone, sorry.   But, I have some good news, I had 50+ of the 
enclosures with 900MHz antenna elements, that I dropped off at
titanwireless, If you guys want to get those and talk to superpass for 
antenna elements, there would be a good deal to be had.   Also I dropped off 
20 ituner mini-box Alix (WRAP boards) outdoor enclosures brand new in the 
box.

Yeah they are the same as the pictures posted on the list.
If there is a big demand for these, I can forward your info to my Chinese 
go-between.

btw, I've got some a good qty of 2.4 to 902-928 frequency converters that 
put out up to 1 watt.
now that 900 mhz cards are available, I don't have a use for them and would 
let them go very easily.

--
From: "Jayson Baker" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:54 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

> Are they exactly the same?  Do you have a picture?
>
> If so, yeah, I'll probably take them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Paul Rice 
> > wrote:
>
>> I used to get them from China.
>>
>> Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box.  Want em?
>>
>> --
>> From: "Gino Villarini" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>> To: "Jayson Baker" 
>> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?
>>
>> > Iirc
>> >
>> > Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure
>> >
>> > Similar to trango but not an exact copy
>> >
>> > Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, "Jayson Baker" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan
>> >> Wireless years
>> >> ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
>> >> having
>> >> the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda
>> >> like
>> >> what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who
>> >> makes
>> >> them, or where we could buy a couple more?
>> >>
>> >> [image:
>> >> ?
>> >> ui=
>> >> 2&v
>> >> iew=
>> >> att&
>> >> th=
>> >> 124c008fa82282ec&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c008fa82282ec&zw]
>> >>
>> >> [image:
>> >> ?
>> >> ui=
>> >> 2&v
>> >> iew=
>> >> att&
>> >> th=
>> >> 124c00924c58a1f4&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4&zw]
>> >>
>> >> [image:
>> >> ?
>> >> ui=
>> >> 2&v
>> >> iew=
>> >> att&
>> >> th=
>> >> 124c0094cee1f93e&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93e&zw]
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Jayson
>> >> <2.jpg>
>> >> <1.jpg>
>> >> <3.jpg>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

[Paul Rice]

I used to get them from China.

Heck, I've got 8-10 of them sitting around still in the box.  Want em?

--
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: "Jayson Baker" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who makes this Dual-Pol 5.8GHz 18dBi Panel?

> Iirc
>
> Those were an European knock off of the trango ap antenna enclosure
>
> Similar to trango but not an exact copy
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:35 PM, "Jayson Baker" 
> wrote:
>
>> We have a couple of these, that I think we bought from Titan
>> Wireless years
>> ago.  They don't work well for simualtaneous dual-pol operation, but
>> having
>> the ability to switch back and forth is excellent.  They look kinda
>> like
>> what Trango was using, I think.  Anyone else use them, or know who
>> makes
>> them, or where we could buy a couple more?
>>
>> [image:
>> ?
>> ui=
>> 2&v
>> iew=
>> att&
>> th=
>> 124c008fa82282ec&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c008fa82282ec&zw]
>>
>> [image:
>> ?
>> ui=
>> 2&v
>> iew=
>> att&
>> th=
>> 124c00924c58a1f4&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c00924c58a1f4&zw]
>>
>> [image:
>> ?
>> ui=
>> 2&v
>> iew=
>> att&
>> th=
>> 124c0094cee1f93e&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_124c0094cee1f93e&zw]
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jayson
>> <2.jpg>
>> <1.jpg>
>> <3.jpg>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

[Paul Rice]

The good thing about the program is the independent reviewers (unpaid) who 
will be going over every application.
The reviewers are bound under very strict guidelines.

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From: "jp" 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:33 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

> Yeh, amongst the ME apps are $50,000,000 for native american computer
> centers. No project description. I'm not racist but why do that have the
> two most expensive projects in the state? I'll look forward to the exec
> summaries.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:57:52PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Thankfully I already knew about all of the applications in my area.
>>
>> I do love seeing that the applications present have a far worse 
>> $/benefit,
>> but they are the local governments doing their own thing.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "jp" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:34 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Cc: "WISPA Members BTOP-BIP List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
>>
>> > I'd like to see the actual content of the applications
>> >
>> > Some of them seem quite far fetched. Others seem like plans I'd like to
>> > know more about.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:34:18PM -0400, Kevin Suitor wrote:
>> >> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/applications/search.cfm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA3173.C2138660]
>> >> Redline Communications Inc.
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>> >> Web:
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Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

[Paul Rice]

Amen Brother!

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From: "Patrick Leary" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:25 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

> ..and what's worse is even if E did take off, most of the business is
> now going to the Chinese vendors ZTE and Huawei, who have the power of
> their whole government behind them in terms of offering can't-say-no
> sweet heart financing deals that vendors in capitalist countries can't
> come close to offering. Sad, but true. Patriotism tends to disappear in
> the mesmorizing glare of money.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
> Amen from the peanut gallery Bret. You'd find interesting the, ahem,
> discussion taking place between us and the big guys inside the WiMAX
> Forum board room. I think it is fair to say some are dillusional about
> the LTE. Maybe I would be too if I'd bet my entire company on mobile
> WiMAX. And it is not that it is not a good standard -- it is. But best
> seldom wins when battling politics and all the vested interests in the
> status quo. Carriers never warmed to the idea of on open network; they
> want to control all the devices that ride on their networks.
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Bret Clark
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
>
> The 802.16e standard was a gallant effort, but by not be able to get the
> cellular carriers on board early on was an ominous sign and I knew right
> from the start that they wouldn't jump on board...open standards scare
> telephone (AKA cellular) companies because it removes their ability to
> control the end-users services and the pricing choke hold they have on
> customers; hence the reason why the move to LTE. And before people say
> LTE is standard base as well, I think we all agree its a controlled
> standard made specifically for cellular carriers and not the little guy
> trying to provide people with true alternatives.
>
> I agree with what you are saying Patrick with fact that the IEEE needs
> to focus more on the 802.16d standard as the go forward standard. That's
> not to say that the 802.16e standard can't play a role, but maybe it's
> focus should change more from a mobile solution to a semi-mobile
> solution. And what I mean by that it's a solution that provides
> temporarily connections on the fly (hence the semi-mobile idea). For
> example a business might be hosting a seminar at a conference center and
> needs to bring in temporarily data connectivity for the day or a
> companies main office has shut down due to some unforeseen event and
> needs to open a remote office ASAP with instant data connectivity.
>
> In any case, having been someone who was involved with the IEEE 802.11
> standard (man I'm dating myself) if there was one thing I learn with my
> involvement with the IEEE is that the best standards are the ones that
> focus on doing one thing and do it well.
>
> Bret
>
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>
> E is only really useful for mobile and mobile is not supportable
> with the
> current 3650 rules.
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Tim Sylvester
>   wrote:
>
>
>
> I would like to see more vendors support 802.16e at
> 3.65GHz. Also I would
> like to see 802.16e at 3.65GHz supported in a netbook
> and a USB dongle.
> Does
> anyone know if the Intel WiMAX chips support 3.65GHz?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
>
> I look forward to seeing everyone at 4G World
> next week.
> Personally, I don't care for D or E in a fixed
> deployment, but if you
> nailed
> me down I would go with D. WiMAX tries to be too
> many things for too
> many
> people. WiMAX-based proprietary systems are far
> more useful for fixed
> deployments.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Patrick Leary
>  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The subject question is one Aperto
> thinks should be asked and now is
>
>
> the
>
>
> time to ask it. The WiMAX Forum has been
> beating the 802.16e drum in
>
>
> a
>
>
> manner trying to chump 802.16d. The fact
> is, there are two WiMAX
> standards, not one. By the Forum's own
> words from a 2005 paper it put
> out in November 2005, penned by Monica
> Paoli of Seza Fila:
>
> "The WiMAX Forum is committed to
> providing optimized solutions for
> fix

Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

[Paul Rice]

Tricky, but it's been done.

You'll have to insulate your installation of radios, cables and antennas.
and they will have to power down the tower while you install.

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From: "Michael Baird" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:25 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] AM radio tower

> *I've recently been approached about expanding our service to an AM
> tower. We would be using 2.4 gear, what kind of problems would I need to
> watch out for when deploying on an AM tower. They said it was
> broadcasting at 1KW and the entire tower is hot. It is in a really good
> area, is a nice tower and the price is minimal, but I want to avoid as
> many service problems as possible by knowing what I'm getting into
> beforehand.
>
> Regards
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> *
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Paul Rice]

heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal

--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
> Rice wrote:
>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle 
>> approx
>> 13 inches long
>
> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
>
> Thanks! -RickG
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
> Rice wrote:
>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the
>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
>>
>> --
>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>>> Rice wrote:
>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
>>>> approx
>>>> 13 inches long
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "RickG" 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>
>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert 
>>>>> West
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to
>>>>>> 900mhz
>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never 
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first time out.  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my experience.
>>>>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, 
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least with the NorCal
>>>>>> foliage we have here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
>>>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
>>>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
>>>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works 
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would 
>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>> their 900MHz option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>>>>> 502-722-

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Paul Rice]

same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the 
orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).

--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
> Rice wrote:
>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle 
>> approx
>> 13 inches long
>>
>> --
>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West
>>> wrote:
>>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 
>>>> 900mhz
>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I 
>>>> do
>>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite 
>>>> of
>>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
>>>> including
>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work
>>>> the
>>>> first time out.  :)
>>>>
>>>> Bob-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>
>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in
>>>> my experience.
>>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at
>>>> least with the NorCal
>>>> foliage we have here.
>>>>
>>>> tim
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
>>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much 
>>>>> better
>>>>> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
>>>>> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
>>>>> their 900MHz option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>>> 502-722-9292
>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
>>>>> 2.5
>>>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 
>>>>> miles
>>>>> of
>>>>> that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
>>>>> Have
>>>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
>>>>> XR9
>>>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
>>>>> polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
>>>>> to go
>>>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we&

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Paul Rice]

Hey Harold.  Good to see you on this list.

--
From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> Well now that's not very nice
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote:
>> Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM
>> To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz
>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do
>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of
>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do 
>> including
>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work 
>> the
>> first time out.  :)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in
>> my experience.
>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at
>> least with the NorCal
>> foliage we have here.
>>
>> tim
>>
>> -- 
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much 
>> > better
>> > than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
>> > imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
>> > their 900MHz option.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Chuck Hogg
>> > Shelby Broadband
>> > 502-722-9292
>> > ch...@shelbybb.com
>> > http://www.shelbybb.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Robert West
>> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>> >
>> > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
>> > 2.5
>> > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles
>> > of
>> > that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
>> > Have
>> > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
>> > XR9
>> > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
>> > polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
>> > to go
>> > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
>> > of
>> > throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll see.
>> >
>> > Bob-
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>> >
>> > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy 
>> > and
>> > it's abilities.  How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare
>> > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> > Computer Network Solutions
>> > CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> > IT Manager
>> >
>> > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> > http://www.csweb.net
>> >
>> > (918) 235-0414
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Paul Rice]

yep excellent point

--
From: "ralph" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:37 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> And the fact that most interference sources are vertical!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paul Rice
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx
> 13 inches long
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West
>> wrote:
>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 
>>> 900mhz
>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I 
>>> do
>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of
>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do
>>> including
>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work
>>> the
>>> first time out.  :)
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in
>>> my experience.
>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at
>>> least with the NorCal
>>> foliage we have here.
>>>
>>> tim
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
>>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much 
>>>> better
>>>> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
>>>> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
>>>> their 900MHz option.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>> 502-722-9292
>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
>>>> 2.5
>>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles
>>>> of
>>>> that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
>>>> Have
>>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
>>>> XR9
>>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
>>>> polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
>>>> to go
>>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
>>>> of
>>>> throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Bob-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
&g

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Paul Rice]

Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 
13 inches long

--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz
>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do
>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of
>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do 
>> including
>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work 
>> the
>> first time out.  :)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in
>> my experience.
>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at
>> least with the NorCal
>> foliage we have here.
>>
>> tim
>>
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer t...@telescience.net
>> TeleScience Networks http://telescience.net
>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102415-663-8891
>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better
>>> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
>>> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
>>> their 900MHz option.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
>>> 2.5
>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles
>>> of
>>> that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
>>> Have
>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
>>> XR9
>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
>>> polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
>>> to go
>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
>>> of
>>> throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll see.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>
>>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and
>>> it's abilities.  How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare
>>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>> Computer Network Solutions
>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>>> IT Manager
>>>
>>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>>> http://www.csweb.net
>>>
>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

[Paul Rice]

YMMV, but I've had them out in high winds in excess of 40 miles an hour with 
2 parbolics on 1 10 foot section of 2 inch EMT.
But it is soft, so you might want to get heavier pipe for piece of mind

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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

> My competitor here uses 1.25" EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
> 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend 
> them
> with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
> under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
> well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller 
> size
> of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25" and puts a couple of 1/4" bolts to
> attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT 
> is
> a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to 
> trust
> it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
>
> I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys 
> install
> a lot faster now.
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Baird
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
>
> As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
> where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
> majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
> or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
> mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
> the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
> extension that will remain stable into the future.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

[Paul Rice]

Back when I was doing the WISP thing, I used rohn tripods, and galvanized 
conduit.  Anything poles over 10 feet or with high winds, I used some guy 
wires.
That worked really well.

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From: "Michael Baird" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

> As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
> where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
> majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
> or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
> mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
> the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
> extension that will remain stable into the future.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
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Re: [WISPA] solar site

[Paul Rice]

I'd recommend you use either a unmanaged or managed industrial DC powered 
switch 12-20 vdc
otherwise your going to need a LOT of solar panels (650 watts is what my 
calcs came up with)
In fact eliminate all 120 AC from your outdoor install for the best results 
to save money on smaller solar rigs.

Paul

--
From: "Paul Rice" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

> Yikes, that is daunting.
>
> Is that the site your putting in, or your example site?
>
> --
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:04 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>
>> 120
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Paul Rice" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>>
>>
>>> Hey Marlon
>>>
>>> is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC?
>>>
>>> volts x amps = watts
>>> the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining 
>>> the
>>> size of the power system needed
>>> the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :)
>>> CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for 25 watts,
>>> I
>>> think
>>>
>>> 500 is good price, since your able to access it easily, it shouldn't be
>>> much
>>> of risk.
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:29 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>>>
>>>> Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar 
>>>> system
>>>> good enough for our radios these days?
>>>>
>>>> Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
>>>> marlon
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Mike" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00
>>>>> charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built
>>>>> my own.  So far, the "fully charged" light comes on every day.  The
>>>>> battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week.  Might
>>>>> not be the club way to do it, but it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a
>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the costs I've seen tossed about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
>>>>>>needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill
>>>>>>that's
>>>>>>within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have 
>>>>>>less
>>>>>>than
>>>>>>a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or 
>>>>>>low
>>>>>>clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the 
>>>>>>foggy
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind
>>>>>>generation.
>>>>>>I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors
>>>>>>welcome!)
>>>>>>and anything else I'm missing.
>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] solar site

[Paul Rice]

Yikes, that is daunting.

Is that the site your putting in, or your example site?

--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

> 120
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul Rice" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>
>
>> Hey Marlon
>>
>> is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC?
>>
>> volts x amps = watts
>> the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining the
>> size of the power system needed
>> the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :)
>> CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for 25 watts, 
>> I
>> think
>>
>> 500 is good price, since your able to access it easily, it shouldn't be
>> much
>> of risk.
>>
>> --
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:29 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>>
>>> Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system
>>> good enough for our radios these days?
>>>
>>> Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Mike" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>>>
>>>
>>>>I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00
>>>> charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built
>>>> my own.  So far, the "fully charged" light comes on every day.  The
>>>> battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week.  Might
>>>> not be the club way to do it, but it works.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a
>>>>>lot
>>>>>of
>>>>>help.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due
>>>>>to
>>>>>the costs I've seen tossed about.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
>>>>>needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill
>>>>>that's
>>>>>within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for
>>>>>this
>>>>>site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have less
>>>>>than
>>>>>a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).
>>>>>
>>>>>We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or low
>>>>>clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the foggy
>>>>>or
>>>>>cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind
>>>>>generation.
>>>>>I think.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors
>>>>>welcome!)
>>>>>and anything else I'm missing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks all!
>>>>>marlon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> WISP

Re: [WISPA] solar site

[Paul Rice]

Hey Marlon

 is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC?

volts x amps = watts
the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining the 
size of the power system needed
the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :)
CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for 25 watts, I 
think

500 is good price, since your able to access it easily, it shouldn't be much 
of risk.

--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:29 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

> Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system
> good enough for our radios these days?
>
> Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors!
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site
>
>
>>I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00
>> charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built
>> my own.  So far, the "fully charged" light comes on every day.  The
>> battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week.  Might
>> not be the club way to do it, but it works.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> At 11:09 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>Sorry for the cross post.  Time is short on this project and I need a lot
>>>of
>>>help.
>>>
>>>I've never done a solar project.  Never really even looked at them due to
>>>the costs I've seen tossed about.
>>>
>>>Now I have a customer that's willing to purchase the initial equipment
>>>needed to cover his community.  The ONLY way into the area is a hill
>>>that's
>>>within sight of my tower and NOT anywhere near power.
>>>
>>>I'll be able to just run a single MT board with two radios in it for this
>>>site.  One backhaul and 1 distribution.  I'll guess that I'll have less
>>>than
>>>a 2 amp draw (probably much less than 1 amp in reality).
>>>
>>>We don't often get long periods of no sun.  Could be days of fog or low
>>>clouds in the winter, but mostly we'll have a lot of sun.  On the foggy 
>>>or
>>>cloudy days we often don't have enough wind to worry about wind
>>>generation.
>>>I think.
>>>
>>>So, please clue me in on what to buy, who to buy it from (vendors
>>>welcome!)
>>>and anything else I'm missing.
>>>
>>>Thanks all!
>>>marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] solar site

[Paul Rice]

Hi Marlon,

Solar isn't that hard we just need to look at a details to figure out what is 
required and move on from there
here are details to figure out about solar to make sure it works right

1.  figure out how many watt-hours a day he will need for MT radio. Average and 
maximum watt-hours

2. what voltage he needs for his radios 

3.  latitude of the site

4. Average low temperature (how cold does it get)

5. Does the radio site have an unobstructed view of the Sun's path through the 
sky?

6. Other stuff, like physical security,

7. back up battery capacity (how many days operation without charging (for fog 
or cloudy days, or low sun availability - winter.) Your message stated that 
there were few of those days.

8. And depending on difficulty of reaching the site, what PMI interval would be 
desired. (affects component and battery choices.)

9. And what kind of OOB management and remote reset capabilities are desired. 
(cellular access, for example)

I've used Talley in the past for solar in the past.  You can give them the 
details and they'll spec it, quote it, and build it it for you
Albert Esquer [aesq...@talleycom.com] is the gentleman I've worked with while 
at Invensys

Paul Rice



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