Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity. The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a fee. Big difference here. From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping on my business would be not allowed? On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
Ok Dennis you said the same in a later post From: Tim Kerns Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity. The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a fee. Big difference here. From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping on my business would be not allowed? On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Looking for service
Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards The smell is most likely residual... From: Mike Lyon Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. Think they accidentally swapped the names... On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms). I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor. -Kristian On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service Looking for 10 meg 1640 West Yosemite Blvd. Manteca, CA 95337 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Looking for service
so this gives everyone sweet smelling poop From: Mike Lyon Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks. Moo. -Mike On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com wrote: Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards The smell is most likely residual... From: Mike Lyon Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. Think they accidentally swapped the names... On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms). I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor. -Kristian On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service Looking for 10 meg 1640 West Yosemite Blvd. Manteca, CA 95337 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw
A little caution ... transmit power does not necessarily equate to speed. Speed is a combination of signal strength, signal quality (lack of noise or interference) and distance. And doubling the output power will not result in double the speed. Transmit power will give you further distance, but depending on the other factors above and the client output power you may not see any gain in distance. From: Colton Conor Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:42 PM To: r...@sbnettech.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw We are deploying a DSL network, and Broadcom is the leader in the DSL chipset market. So most all these modems we are using have a Broadcom SoC design with the VDSL2 modem, 802.11N 2x2 MIMO, Ethernet Switch, and CPU all built in. The only thing the modem manufacturers change is the power output on the Broadcom wifi (via a amp on the broad) and the selection of internal or external omni antennas for the most part. Plus some tweak the wifi settings. We are trying to decide if it is worth the small price premium to pay for the modem that has the high powered amp at 400mw vs the regular ones that only have 100mw. Sounds like the the high powered ones are worth it especially since we have no control of the clients devices (I guess you rarely ever do anyways) and we are only supplying one AP/router per home. I guess this is why ATT uverse gets such good ratings and reviews from their customers on wifi? They are using 2Wire/Pace modems for the most part that have all high powered wifi. Thats why in an ATT area you can see tons of them. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ryan McKenzie r...@lirr.net wrote: I second what Josh is saying. I build out a lot of hotels and large offices, and because of iPhones and iPads, we've started doubling up on the AP's we normally would deploy. In an indoor environment, it's really tough to do a very directional antenna because you are usually trying to cover a 360 deg area, so high power AP's, low gain antennas, and more AP's is usually the best approach. That being said, I'm curious about your specific choice of Broadcom radios in your first post. Usually that means you are trying to utilize custom firmware such as DD-WRT or Sputnik, etc. Is this the case? If so, it would be interesting to hear what you are trying to accomplish. I've played with many of those for a long time, until I really saw the capability and power of the Unifi, and stopped messing around with anything else. Just curious as Broadcom is not a radio chipset you hear much about on this list. Thanks, Ryan McKenzie Office 385-215-WIFI Cell 801-309-6161 On 11/13/14 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You are correct. It never will. Rx can only be improved by a bigger antenna to listen with. Antenna gain always has and will be better than raw power. Unless you include the other side's Tx, in which case more power and gain will help. In the Wifi world you're totally screwed because it's a terrible laptop/phone/game console/tablet/etc in which case you can't do ANYTHING to their devices. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome, I am already learning so much from this mailing list. So it sound like the author was right. So boosting the power output on the AP will more than likely boost the TX (downlink) speed on the AP side, but do nothing on the RX speed side of the AP since nothing from the clients sending perspective has changed right? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote: Yes, radios will negotiate different rx/tx rates to each other, so up to 2 distinct rates for a single link. On the open source mac80211 linux-wireless driver you can see this explicitly. The rx/tx on one radio is the tx/rx on the other. root@ap1:~# iw wlan0 station dump Station 52:e6:fc:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0) inactive time:70 ms rx bytes:769202553 rx packets:4644034 tx bytes:326581907 tx packets:465139 tx retries:76461 tx failed:4 signal: -56 [-57, -62] dBm signal avg:-55 [-57, -62] dBm tx bitrate:117.0 MBit/s MCS 14 rx bitrate:86.7 MBit/s MCS 12 short GI authorized:yes authenticated:yes preamble:long WMM/WME:yes MFP:no TDLS peer:no root@ap2:~# iw wlan0 station dump Station 62:66:b3:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0) inactive time:10 ms rx bytes:569548806 rx packets:3191667 tx bytes:412571117 tx packets:
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015
Don't you think they will throttle us also... Make us pay for fast lane just like their other customers... only worst for us.. think ESPN Don't misunderstand me... I don't like the net neutrality as its being proposed, but I also don't want some services favored over others and forced to pay more the get them equal. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015 Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to propose? I know there was Title II thrown around How would that impact us, or any other carrier? Net neutrality is about giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have anything to fear? I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us little guys who don't throttle. On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: from: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015 /The Federal Communications Commission will abandon http://www.dailydot.com/politics/net-neutrality-fcc-tom-wheeler-delayed-obama/ its earlier promise https://www.fcc.gov/blog/setting-record-straight-fcc-s-open-internet-rules to make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC Press Secretary Kim Hart said, there will not be a vote on open internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules would now be finalized in 2015. The FCC's confirmation of the delay came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/10/statement-president-net-neutrality to persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal advisor at the FCC http://opensource.com/government/14/11/fcc-advisor-talks-net-neutrality. He says, There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.' -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??
We found when using Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The UPS would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to recharge. The problem at the site was a phase was dropping. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? Apc battery backup. They will trim and boost for you. We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old building and wiring :-/ ) the apc boost the load to 120. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??
Gino, that sounds like the issue we had... have your electric company check to see if you are dropping a phase at the transformer servicing you. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold (90 vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? Apc battery backup. They will trim and boost for you. We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old building and wiring :-/ ) the apc boost the load to 120. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off
or plug a cheap cpe in the ac outlet... run a ping monitor to it... when power is off pings stop.. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off Plug in a Sitemonitor and use a battery backup. With Powercode you can use PagerDuty to do a phone call. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 10:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote: Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets kicked? I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone to let me know when the server has lost power. Does anyone have a cheap way to solve this? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine Engergy
Wow... can I get in on this too !! From: mailto:cdfr...@wp.pl Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine Engergy Re-Offer Contract From Mine Engergy Engr. Kapano ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
When I try to access it, I get redirected to Ikano and mail is not one of their listed products... can someone clarify, please... Thanks From: Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting we started when it was in early beta so we are grandfathered into a free account. as josh pointed out there is an ISP edition for .35 a user...very much worth it! -sean On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net wrote: Cost per domain or mailbox? I have several domains….. Regards, Joshua S. Bowsher Director of Internet Services Midwaynet.net Midway Electronics NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC 1250 N McKinley Ave Rensselaer, IN 47978 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212 Cell 219-863-0678 www.midwaynet.net jbows...@midwaynet.net This e-mail, including all attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information and is meant solely for the intended recipient. It contains controlled, privileged, or proprietary information that is protected under applicable law and shall not be disclosed to any unauthorized third party. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, action, disclosure, distribution, or reproduction of any information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is strictly PROHIBITED. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to the sender immediately, and delete all copies of this e-mail and attachments without disclosing the contents. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the exact position of MidwayNet, LLC, Midway Electronics, or NWIIS a division of MidwayNet. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting google apps for your domain. easy peasy..never looked back after switching 8 or 9 years ago :-) -sean On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Josh Bowsher jbows...@midwaynet.net wrote: Who is everyone using for outsourced server hosting/management (Windows or Linux Servers running SQL, Radius, Billing software) and hosted mail service? All input is appreciated. Regards, Joshua S. Bowsher Director of Internet Services Midwaynet.net Midway Electronics NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC 1250 N McKinley Ave Rensselaer, IN 47978 Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212 Cell 219-863-0678 www.midwaynet.net jbows...@midwaynet.net This e-mail, including all attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information and is meant solely for the intended recipient. It contains controlled, privileged, or proprietary information that is protected under applicable law and shall not be disclosed to any unauthorized third party. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, action, disclosure, distribution, or reproduction of any information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is strictly PROHIBITED. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to the sender immediately, and delete all copies of this e-mail and attachments without disclosing the contents. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the exact position of MidwayNet, LLC, Midway Electronics, or NWIIS a division of MidwayNet. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL trials)
I’ve used the Trendnet units at home and at a couple clients. Not real impressed, but I can get connectivity in other parts of the home without expense and time of running Cat5. I don’t remember the throughput, but it was no way near specs. I had one that was also running with the dish slingshot: Ethernet over power unit. Had some issues with packet loss, not sure if it was caused by the dish device or not. Tim rom: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL trials) I'll look them up next week - yes - had as many as four connected. There was no master unit, it was all one big bridge, like having them all on a switch - Original Message - From: ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL trials) Thanks Jay. Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without doing anything special? That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL trials) Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require anything more than plug and pray. Worked great. - Original Message - From: ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL trials) Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about. I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation trial/pilots I speak of. It was quite a while ago, It was too expensive, didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users (Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast, and CB. Here is the database of the “trials” http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities It is way out of date, but there is tons of interesting information here. Unfortunately a great many of the links are broken. The two most spectacular failures were those of IBEC, (the company I believe Clay is describing) who folded January of 2012. They cited the power line disruption from the Southeastern Tornadoes as the reason. These are the same tornadoes that tore up several of us here on this list- especially in Alabama! IBEC was competing with WISPS and all the while causing illegal interference to FCC licensed users. http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules The second was the City of Manassas, VA, who started their trial way back in 2002. The “plug was pulled” on their BPL in July of 2010. A little Google-ing will find you demonstrations of how horrible the interference was. The part 15 rules concerning BPL are very interesting: 47 C.F.R. §15.615 http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/15.615 The official database of BPL systems that operators are, per the FCC, supposed to list their systems in at least 30 days before beginning operations is at http://www.bpldatabase.org/listing/ IBEC repeatedly violated that FCC rule The most recent technology (HomePlug) incorporates protection (filtering/notching) for the Amateur bands and is a much more friendly neighbor. Speaking of your Radio Shack devices (and I had a lot of them too) – they were based on the BSR X10 technology. The 80’s stuff was pretty poor. Later on it evolved to be a lot better and even worked bidirectionally, which really helped the reliability. Many home automation companies sprang up to utilize the technology. When I was in the burglar business we laughed at the “Car Trunkers” trying to sell an alarm based on them- before they were even 2 way. My smart thermostat uses the X-10 passive infrared sensors to let it know when the different rooms are occupied. And like yours, many of modules are now dead, but I try to keep a few around to use to turn the Christmas lights off and on. That X10 company who advertised us to death a few years ago was also responsible for those 2.4 GHz analog video cameras that can singlehandedly wipe out the entire 2.4 WiFi band. Boy am I glad they don’t advertise like that anymore! They seem to have calmed down and are mostly about security and switching again now. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range
·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization How do they figure this? I think it should be Low susceptibility due to SELF interference. 900 in my area, California Central Valley east of the Bay Area, is almost useless for 900 as the power companies have put in smart meters Tim CV-Access, Inc. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range Just got this today: This sounds interesting anyone have any thoughts? 900MHz always gets the propagation advertisement, but my experience has been that while it propagates better, the gain limitations and size of reasonable antennas make it unusable. Original Message Subject: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:16:18 +0300 From: Asa Yanai a...@runcom.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; __ Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products: v*New 4G/WIMAX Solution at 900MHZ Frequency Range * *Combines long Range , High Capacity and low susceptibility to Interference * ·Long Range - due to 900MHz propagation ·Non Line of Sight – due to 900MHZ propagation and OFDMA technology (unique to 4G) ·High Capacity – due to 4G/WIMAX high spectral efficiency (4 bits/sec/Hz) and MIMO utilization ·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization ·Base Stations and Outdoor CPE's available now v*New Enhanced WIMAX Base Station with Radius Interface. * ·IEEE.802.16e compliant ·Enables stand alone connection to the NOC without the need of ASN Gateway ·For additional features please refer to the attached brochure For more information please contact : */Asa Yanai/* RUNCOM USA V.P Business Development Marketing USA Cell: 917 848 3753 Email: a...@runcom.com mailto:a...@runcom.com or */Israel Koffman/* VP Marketing and Sales USA Mobile Phone: 1-646-530-1502 Skype: Israel.Koffman FAX:+972-3-9528805 Websites: www.runcom.com http://www.runcom.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now to small of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower. Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I was seeing 28 vdc. I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added cost, yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t need to burn a radio out. I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would drain it in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one of our EE members can explain this. 4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most equipment is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc. Why does this not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar at +27 volts. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List ; fai...@snappydsl.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question Because batteries are 27v. On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ? Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. . Will they work ? maybe... Will they fail ? maybe If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our of Specs. Will it shorten the life of the Radio ? maybe... Will is just work fine ? maybe. This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum.. If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on your own .. If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to stay within the Mfg. Specs ... I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky stuff' Of Course YMMV :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: 27 volts at the base. DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot distances. We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run. -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not saying it's ideal but it works. 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] No mail
Rick, I have not received mail for any wispa accounts in two or more days. Come to think of it I didn’t receive the usual “you are subscribed to” messages either. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet 5M
I just received a couple to begin testing (more like playing with) and I'm not sure of the Freq. it covers. The selections are : 5180 to 5320 in 20 meg increments. 5745 to 5805 in 20 meg increments but it also has: 5500 to 5680 in 20 meg increments. Is this unlicensed spectrum? I thought 5400 was, but didn't think 5500 to 5680 was. Thanks, Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] email black lists
Marlon, Also try this site http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/is-my-ip-address-blacklisted it looks on several list for you. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] email black lists Hi All, We had a customer get a virus and it took us a couple of days to find out who it was. I'm off of all of the black lists that I can find, but I still can't send to a large number of companies. Hotmail, Key Bank, Frontier Net, Shaw etc. Is there a hidden black list out there somewhere? Is the a Barracuda thing or something? I'm going nuts trying to get email fixed! Here's an example of the bounce I get. All seem to be very similar, close enough that I think the same mechanism is being used by them all. idcmail.shaw.ca [24.71.223.11]: 554-idcmail.shaw.ca 554 Your connection from 64.146.146.8 has been rejected due to poor reputation. Any ideas? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have a calculator to determine antenna downangle?
Try this http://www.terabeam.com/support/calculations/index.php - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have a calculator to determine antenna downangle? Yes I'm a WISP newbie. We have an agreement with a cellular provider to put out antennas on their tower that is next to ours. The tower is almost twice as big as the one I have now, and our gear will be located at the top. I have all my elevations, and azimuths for the different tower locations we need to point at. I was wondering if there was a calculator out there that would allow me to figure out the new down angles. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction
Jerry, From where you are located, I believe you are being hit by a new repeater on Mt Diablo. It seems the HAMs were using another freq and it was interfering with military operations. They kept reducing power til it was down to nothing. They then decided to use 900 mhz, it is only going to get worse as they intend to add more AMP to it. It will most likely take out all 900 in the Central Valley, your area and the Bay Area. I wonder what all the power co's meters that are on 900 also will do. this is not going to be a pleasant thing for HAM's... right or wrong. - Original Message From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction I determined the best course of action is to upgrade the antennas and re-assign frequencies customer AP re-assignments. 900 is getting crowded and eventually I will likely have to abandon the frequency. I'm not going to make a big stink about this one only to have to deal with it again in six months or a year. Life's too short. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction Jerry, As with all good legal questions, the answer is: It Depends. If the HAM operator is INTENTIONALLY interfering with your signal, then you have a very good chance of maintaining a cause of action against him (IMHO). If on the other hand, he was unaware of your signal at the time that he put up his equipment, you have very little chance of maintaining an action. The iffy party is when he falls in between knowing and intentional. If he knew you were out there, but he didn't mean to shut you down, there is an argument both ways as to whether he is liable. I guess the first thing is to determine whether he knew you were operating on the same frequency as the one on which he was planning to deploy. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMER: The above comments are solely an opinion and should not be construed to be legal advice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Court Injunction Is it possible to get an injunction against a HAM if he moved to a 900MHz frequency as is causing interference that would disrupt our ability to do business? I know he has a license and I don't however there must be some precedent that allows for commercial venture versus amateur radio. Any ideas? Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
And the End of the Internet is also timed to happen the same year as the End of the World this is according to the End of the Mayan calendar. Just what you wanted to know... lol :) - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet This is not going to happen, it's a video on Youtube, any Joe Blow can post whatever on Youtube and there are a lot of videos like this on there set out to scare people. However I think that we will see metered bandwidth before this could ever happen. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet Could this ever happen? http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 Of my almost 17 years as an ISP, I find it hard to believe. How could the LECs possibly block all the sites? If this is true, what could we do to stop it? Thanks for your thoughts. Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband Visit us @ www.StLBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message
I don't think that StarOS will let you put addresses from the same subnet on all interfaces. If you try this AND not notice, it will add the address but disable it (this is shown by the easy to miss * by it). This will result in the same thing though and that is not able to get into the unit. It is best when configuring these units to apply changes but do not save until you are sure of the change. This way to restore all you need to do is power cycle it. - Original Message - From: ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message I just re-read it and need to clarify. I put addresses from the same subnet on all interfaces because it seemed that an address was required per the blanks to fill in. It was never documented to only put an address on one interface. With other products, you don't really program the other interfaces, so you aren't inclined to make that mistake. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
Try this link, it is not software to track cheating spouse, but it will track a cell phone... just put in a number. http://www.sat-gps-locate.com/english/index.html Tim CV-Access - Original Message - From: Cliff - Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software JO, You may be a legend in your own mind, but she has BIGGER and BETTER things in her life... :O CL On 2/28/08 8:32 PM, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cliff - you don't need to worry about cheating spouse software... I told you years ago it was ME who Marsha was seeing on the side.. No need for a GPS tracker either, or camera, or any of that stuff. Anytime you want to know where we are, just call ! Anytime you want pics, let me know - I'll send you some ! Anytime you wanna see what she's sending me on the computer, let me know - I'll forward you the emails ! Muahahahahaha Your buddy, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Cliff LeBoeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software Oh! ... I learn SO much from this organization... :) On 2/28/08 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Implantable GPS locator/ heart-rate monitor. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software Alex wrote: Go hire a gumshoe. Hide a webcam in the ceiling (or under the bed or...) One of the new ones with built-in Web interface and wi-fi. Have it connect to the home network, forward a couple ports, spy on the spouse from the office. Or set up a Mikrotik to intercept/log traffic. Might as well use their CALEA support for something. David Smith MVN.net --- -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- -- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?
John, We had to run for over a month on generator at the end of last year. (long story but the place where we contract for one of our towers defaulted on their loan and the bank took over it took over a month and a break in to get the power restored). My point was we used one of the 1000 watt generators from harbor freight, the one with the Subaru engine. We ran this round the clock, the tank on them will run about 5-6 hours depending on load. We took a 5 gallon can, made a spout and connected this to the engine input, bypassing the tank. This gave us plenty of run time, but still needed to refill daily. The first generator lasted about 2 weeks before it was stolen (remember the break-in above), we replaced with the same model and ran it for another 2 weeks. I was really surprised at it's ability to last that long and expected it to die after a few days. We found it did use oil and the automatic low oil sensor did shut us down once. After that we added oil every 2-3 days. - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive? I was looking around for a method to keep at least my backbone running during an extended power outage. (we have had ice storms take out power for 4 - 7 days). It seemed like the small generators might be a solution, the Honda/ etc name brand ones seem to be ~$600 for 1000 watts. And I found a company that sells Yamaha 1000W generators converted to dual fuel (NG or propane) for about $1000. They also sell a 2400 watt generator that is triple fuel, gas/NG/propane that is tempting, even at $1600. But then I ran across some imported 2 stroke, 1000 watt generators. Harbor Freight has them in their catalog for about $150. I found a similar one in a local store that is on sale for $99. The box says it will run for 8 hours on tank of gas (at half load, 1.25 gallons). These imported ones just seem like they are too cheap. And I'm not too fond of 2 stokes. That Yamaha dealer warns that the cheap generators are only designed to last 150 hours - but maybe 150 hours for $100 isn't too bad a deal. Just wondering if anyone has thoughts or experiences on this issue. thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??
I understand that Ruckus is going to release a mesh system. I have not heard when, but I believed it to be soon. Tim - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh?? You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else exists. On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what Meraki is selling? I've been checking out Meraki and like the low cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there any other companies offering products along this line? Anthony ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??
OLSR allows you to have multiple paths (tcp/IP) to your Internet gateway, a true mesh system not only allows multiple paths, but will also seek out different wireless connections to different SSID's to find the shortest path to the Internet gateway. In the case of OLSR (of the systems I've seen) it does not seek a list of SSID wireless connection. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh?? Anthony Our complete RWR HPG product line has Mesh based on OLSRd (http://www.olsr.org/). http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/index.html http://www.demarctech.com/about-us/demarc-rwr-press.pdf There is a GUI for olsrd which will run under Linux or Windows: http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=gui These are true outdoor unit that has been designed and tested to work from -40C to +65C and with 630mW output power vs -10C to 50C and 200mW peak transmission power which is most likely lower power levels in when modulated. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Lemons Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:24 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh?? Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what Meraki is selling? I've been checking out Meraki and like the low cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there any other companies offering products along this line? Anthony ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] XBOX using 2.4 ghz for game controllers
I had an interesting discovery yesterday. I was at a long time customer trying to see why they have been having performance issues. I took along my Cognio Spectrum analyzer because the signal looked good from the AP but I could see the speed anywhere from 1 - 11 megs. (this is an 802.11b). From the spectrum analyxer I could see their wireless router which was on the same channel as our client radio (which I changed) and I could see spikes clear across the 2.4 spectrum with good signal strength. I was able to use the Cognio in my laptop and walk around the home until I found the source, which was 2 xbox consoles. The xbox's were both turned off but still outputting all across the 2.4. Once we unplugged both units the spectrum went quiet. My question is: Can the xbox be configured to only use a set channel in the 2.4? It appeared that it was using freq hop for the wireless game consoles. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing
Subject: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/article.html Once again the ISP can do anything, especially what others have been un able to do.. Some of you may have see this discussed on the Nanog list. Tim CV-Access, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant
The reply we received from Clearwire is We are not doing external units anymore because they cause problems with performance at the AP's. We were very glad to hear that... Anyone else hear this or is it just maybe a local thing?? Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to pay for the installation, they do have a unit with a little antenna on the corner of the house. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George -- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Some of this started a little over a month ago in some hearings. http://news.com.com/Senators+demand+more+regulations+on+Net+pharmacies/2100-1028-6184455.html?part=dhttag=nl.e703 There was a Harvard Law Professor that made some unbelievable remarks there: Philip Heymann, a Harvard Law School professor who specializes in drug-related legal issues, suggested formulating a group that would monitor for objectionable sites, alert ISPs to their existence, and require ISPs to offer their subscribers the option of having such sites rendered inaccessible from their accounts. (He did not mention that Web-blocking software, which permits end users to block access to designated Web sites, has existed for more than a decade.) It is no burden to (the ISPs). They know how to do it; they can do it in a minute, Heymann told the politicians. He also suggested that search engines like Google and Yahoo be required to place banners at the top of their search results pages warning users that it's illegal to buy certain drugs without prescriptions. Heymann also suggested that ISPs could be forced to filter all Web traffic for specific ads, something that would be technically problematic given the current state of Internet filtering technology. We believe that Internet service providers should make available to their customers the opportunity to block ads for illegal sales of controlled substances from their Internet service, he wrote in his statement. If you click on his name, it will give info about this prof and his e-mail address. I know I sent an e-mail to him pointing out his errors. Tim Kerns CV-Access - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites If anyone has already started looking into this more, like where the bill is and what the time line is, please post to the list (I'll do the same). This is definitely something that needs to be nipped in the bud. This is not the job of and ISP in any form. What happens if the ISP blocks traffic to a legitimate site, are we now liable for lost revenue and defamation by implying that a site is not legit? I will have to take exception to his statement that the internet needs regulation. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Dawn, Do you have a laptop with a wireless card in it? Look on the bottom and tell us the FCC number. I will bet that number does not equate to certification of the laptop and wireless card together as a complete system. AND this is the point that many have been trying to make. The laptop is FCC certified, the wireless card is FCC certified, but it has not been certified as a complete system. WHY, EXPLAIN, LEGAL? So the contacts that Marlon has and the contacts that Jack have are telling one story, but the mfg of other devices are being allowed to build and sell computers without going the complete system certification. So if we could discover how they are allowed to do this, then we also should be allowed to produce a mix and match system using certified components just as they do. The second point several have been trying to make, that you just seem to blow off . Why is it legal to go to CompUSA, buy a Netgear, Linksys, or other PCI Wireless card, insert it into a PC. Where is the complete system certification. You do not get a new sticker to attach to the computer once the PCI card is inserted and used. I don't see any mention of the computer brand, or model number they are approved to be installed into. If this is not legal, why has the FCC allowed these mfg to continue selling these wireless parts to allow the consumer to put together an illegal system. The complete system seems to fall down for everyone except WISP. It appears that the contacts both Jack and Marlon have are hard liners, by the rules, no exception type. And this is not a slam to either of these fine guys who have been working hard to interface with the FCC for us. It is just that we are hearing one thing, but seeing something different. Now ADI is proclaiming a DYI certified system. So again, the rules say only the mfg holds the certificate. So how can others build this system using instructions and like components from ADI and be legal? SO, why is an SBC (one that has been FCC certified like ADI's Metro or Gateworks), a mini PCI radio (also certified) and an external antenna (again only one that has been certified with the Radio) NOT a legal system. In other words, WHY is my Dell laptop, or my partners Toshiba laptop NOT a legal system. They have all 3 of the mentioned components, but I don't see the FCC number where it was certified as a complete system. Did I miss something? Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Mike, What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is required to become certified. You must have all the components certified together. Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on what the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be able to go that route? Those that are running a certified radio with no amp (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or lower gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being legal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble It works like this Doug. A radio card is an intentional radiator. Under part 15 rules it can only be sold as a part of a certified system. That means if you put the radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used in a computer either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna build into the computer that's ok. As long as it's CERTIFIED that way. If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on it. You are out of compliance. If you put an antenna larger than the one certified, you are out of compliance. If you put a different type of antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid or panel to omni etc.) you are out of compliance. The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on them. Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo on them. Yes the rule is silly. Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC. No, uncertified systems don't seem to be a problem in the real world. However, do YOU want to take a chance on having YOUR customers go dark because you want
Re: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN
LOL.. wonder how many understand 7500.. Tim - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN Please squawk 7500 and continue on course... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN This list has been hijacked AGAIN by a few folks who send never ending emails-day and night- please stop, your killing the usefulness of the whole thing. Martyes: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Why $200 more? At $200 if the vendor sell 10 systems, that is $2000, almost 66% of the certification cost returned. Sell 100 and that is $20,000, a lot more than the cost of certification. Certification should not raise the price of a unit more than a few dollars, but then we have greed set in don't we? At $20 more per, 100 units is $2000 and 1000 units is $20,000. So break even for a vendor is less than 200 units going by the cost Jack has shared with us. I would think that vendors are looking to sell a lot more than just 200 units, aren't they? Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble I would. I already committed to my guy that he will be my source for whatever he makes that I could use. $200 more isn't really that much of a difference on the AP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS are used because of price. Period. If the certified systems come out and are double the price (so $400 for a RB532 type solution compared with $200 now) how many people are going to start using the certified ones? Very few. Even if it's only $50 extra, are people really going to pay that much extra when so far they haven't worried about it? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: Matt The reason we like stuff MT and Star, it works and we like it. I'm glad it works and that you like it because you like it. That doesn't really help me understand why one would choose MT over something else. I mean there has to be something beyond that you like it if you are willing to use it in favor of something else that is certified. I don't really care for the whole discussion of whether certified gear should be used or not. Every piece of gear has advantages and disadvantages as well as pricing considerations. Regardless of whether someone is willing to use uncertified gear, I am sure that given the choice between uncertified and certified everyone would choose certified every time. Therefore, uncertified gear is at a disadvantage to other gear, so it must make up for this disadvantage some other way or no one would choose it. What is MT's advantage? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I repeat, Who is STRICTLY legal 100%?
Ok... we've been down this road before. STOP NOW, There is no need to rip WISPA apart AGAIN over this issue. This is the general list and all of these messages are open to everyone through Google search. This continued debate on certification will only in the end destroy WISPA. I ask again STOP IT NOW. Tim CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Michael Erskine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: [WISPA] I repeat, Who is STRICTLY legal 100%? It looks like the list is about to go down the finger pointing exercise of legalities, perceptions of legality, and interpretations of minutia. That is probably not a good idea so in the true tradition of casting the first stone, let me say this: If you are absolutely certain that you are absolutely legal and you are willing to make that assertion on list then you have a dog in this fight. Otherwise you probably done have a dog in this fight. :) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?
WE have 2 trucks for installs and signal checks. The 1st we bought 2 years ago and it is a large step van with a boom bucket on top. Kind of looks like a bread truck with half the front windshield cut away for the bucket. It has a reach of 44 feet from the ground. The 2nd truck we bought about 6 weeks ago. It is a large flat bed truck with an 80 ft boom crane/bucket on it. This is the ones you see sign companies use to hang signs. 80 feet is a long way up. It weighs in at approx 24 k lbs and does not need a special class drivers license. Look around and you can find some pretty good deals out there. Tim - Original Message - From: Michael J. Erskine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck? Tom; A snorkel is a bucket truck that is used to get above the fire and spray water down on the fire. It is a diesel and the boss says six miles to the gallon. You will need a commercial driver's license with air brakes certification. It is a specialty truck to be sure, you aren't going to use one of these for installs. The thing weighs 46,000 lbs and you can tell where it has been. A smaller snorkel might be good for installs, say a 40' rig? This is an 80' rig. -m- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE
MSRP $ 159 - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE Any clue on a cost for these? Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Nice CPE http://www.ubnt.com/ps2.php4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Is ATT now a SPAMMER???
I received a SPAM e-mail for a company that offers mass e-mailing http://pws.prserv.net/describe/RFQsales.html I traced the domain back to ATT Global Services., abuse is back to ATT also. So is ATT Global Service the SPAMMER? Anyone know anything about this company? Just what we need . 1 million SPAMs for $299 and 50 million SPAMS for $3000. Thanks, Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] commercial router
Look at Sonic Wall, they have a subscription service for filtering, but will set you back $700-$1000. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: [WISPA] commercial router Hi All, I have a customer that's looking for a router that also does content filtering. What are people using these days? Prices? thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Speaking of CALEA Statements. how many receive the newsletter from NetEqualizer? I thought it was really direct and straight forward, specifically about compliance My disclaimer: I don't have any connection to Netequalizer, I don't even have one of their products. Tim The following QA will address NetEqualizer's capabilities in reference to CALEA compliance. 1. Functionally, what does the Netequalizer CALEA release provide? We provide a network probe with the following capabilities: a.. It will allow an ISP or other operator to comply with a basic warrant for information about a user by capturing and sending IP communications in real time to a third party. b.. Communication may be captured by headers or headers and content. 2. In what format is the data portion sent to a law enforcement agency? We will provide basic descriptive tags identifying headers, data, and time stamps, along with HEX or ASCII representation of content data. 3. Do you meet the standards of the receiving law enforcement agency? The law and specifications on how to deliver to a law enforcement agency are somewhat ambiguous. The FBI has created some detailed specifications, but the reality is that there are some 40,000 law enforcement agencies and they are given autonomy on how they receive data. We do provide samples on how to receive NetEqualizer-captured data on a third party server, but are unable to guarantee definite compliance with any specific agency. 4. Does the NetEqualizer do any analysis of the data? No. We are only providing a probe function. 5. Is the NetEqualizer release fully CALEA compliant? Although the law (see CALEA sections 103 and 107(a)(2)) is fairly specific on what needs to be done, the how is not addressed to any level of detail to which we can engineer our solution. Many people are following the ATIS specification which was put forth by the FBI, and we have read and attempted to comply with the probe portion of that specification. But, the reality is that there is no one agency given the authority to test a solution and bless it as compliant. So, if faced with a warrant for information, the law enforcement agency in charge may indeed want something in slightly different formats. If this is the case, there may be additional consulting. As best we can tell at this time, there is no one government agency that can fully declare our technology CALEA compliant. However, we do pledge to work with our customers should they be faced with a warrant for information to adjust and even customize our solution; however additional fees may apply. For more information on NetEqualizer and CALEA, visit our extended QA page at http:// www.netequalizer.com/caleafaq.php. Additional information on CALEA itself can be found at http://www.askcalea.org. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
I believe the FCC has the authority to fine up to $10k per incident. - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? how much is the fine ? Where's it specified ? (SERIOUS question.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine! Please post when/where you do this. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? as a complete system. Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval
in its certification then: 1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it? 2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified if it is in a box? Here is what I am thinking. If we would get an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use. The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise being emitted. I don't think there are very many enclosures that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a box shouldn't negate the certification. That would be like saying I can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on. If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of us use in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought. And if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use a lot more equipment. Jack Unger wrote: Scott, I believe that your comments are substantially correct. The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember that the software used must limit operation of the complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that are legal in the U.S. jack Scott Reed wrote: I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC. And I read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and antenna can be used. So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track. Jack is right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified base is doable. I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered to find it. This makes sense. Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with a set of antennae. Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card. Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9. Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna and be good. The gotcha here is those sections of Part 15 I have not yet followed up on. I am not sure what the professional installer stuff is about. What am I missing or is this good news? Jack Unger wrote: Tim, I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit. I think what the FCC is doing is: 1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal modular assembly is. 2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data inputs, and power supply regulation. 3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is. 4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split modular assembly must meet. Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard meets the FCC's definition of a split modular assembly. I think the FCC considers a split modular assembly to be where circuitry that today would be contained on a single modular assembly is (now or in the future) split between two different physical assemblies. This splitting allows more equipment design flexibility because one transmitter control element (the new term that the FCC formerly called the module firmware) could theoretically be interfaced with and control more than one radio front end (the amplifier and antenna-connecting) section. Of course, that's just my interpretation. I'll bet others could add more detail. The bottom line is - I don't think this 2nd Report and Order contains anything that will substantially change the way we do business. jack Tim Kerns wrote: Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 This new ruling is clearly aimed at the Dells, HPs, Toshibas etc. of the world. Not at us. If you can find a source at the FCC that'll say otherwise I'd LOVE to hear from them. 90% of the networks out there have changed something that will take them out of compliance, this rule would bring almost all of them back into compliance. This is where I don't see that we are any different. What is the difference between an IPAQ, Dell, and SBC's like WRAP, Gateworks, Metro, etc. They are computers, they are base units that a radio module is installed into, they run an OS. Their primary purpose is to be a computer and we the WISP community have used them to become AP's or Clients. My Dell laptop with it's installed minipci radio is a Client. And if I chose to install other software it can be an AP. The only thing I see my laptop from being legal is if I chose to attach a different antenna than what is already there. But if the manufacture of that radio had certified it with say a 24bd grid then I could attach that grid to the laptop and still be legal. Again this is MY wishful understanding of this new rule. Tim -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval
Please see inline... - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval Under the normal Part-15 rules, the only devices allowed to have a non unique connector are devices labeled for and sold only to professional installers. The problem is, there isn't really a good explanation of what a part-15 professional installer is. What I've been told by the FCC is that the intent is that any device where it's easy to mix and match parts (remember that you could only use specifically certified antennas before 2005) was to only be sold to a pro installer. Literally, it was illegal for a vendor to sell us an ap without also including the cable and antenna for it. To be a pro installer we're supposed to have been manufacturer trained on a specific piece of gear (I was trained on p-com and wmux gear in the bad ol' wpcs days). The reasoning was that it's possible to use a certified combination of radio, cable, and antenna, and STILL exceed the EIRP limits. So we're supposed to have been trained on the device so we'd not accidentally assemble and configure an illegal version of a legal kit. up to here I agreewith you. The new rules specifically say that these rules do NOT apply to a device designed for a professional installer. If you're not sure that your device is for a pro installer, look in the manual. If it's got an n connector on it, it should also say that it's only available to professional installers. *** From the new rule: 4. The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of Section 15.203 and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or employ a unique antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the antenna, including the cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the module, either at the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive change. The professional installation provision of Section 15.203 may not be applied to modules. In other words it MUST ALWAYS have a unique connector *** This from part 15 says that the unique conector is NOT required if intended for a professional installer The N connector is considered a unique connector Section 15.203 Antenna requirement.An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this Section. The manufacturer may design the unit so that a broken antenna can be replaced by the user, but the use of a standard antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited. This requirement does not apply to carrier current devices or to devices operated under the provisions of Sections 15.211, 15.213, 15.217, 15.219, or 15.221. Further, this requirement does not apply to intentional radiators that must be professionally installed, such as perimeter protection systems and some field disturbance sensors, or to other intentional radiators which, in accordance with Section 15.31(d), must be measured at the installation site. However, the installer shall be responsible for ensuring that theproper antenna is employed so that the limits in this Part are not exceeded. ** That rule has been TOTALLY ignored by everyone. We are, as users of this gear day in and day out, assumed to be professional installers so we don't have to buy devices with only unique connectors or buy only in kits (like a Linksys dsl router etc.). TRUE. all radios are to be sold with cable and antennas Again, I'd LOVE to see a real mix and match capability where we could use anyone's radio with anyone's amp and antenna. But they clearly aren't yet ready to go there. The mix/match can still ONLY be with antennas that were certified with the radio module / firmware. Just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, I've asked for some time with the head of OET (the FCC folks that write these rules). I'll pass along what he says once I'm able to talk to him about it. Thanks, looking forward to response. Hope that helps, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the ,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equ ipment approval
Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the ,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equ ipment approval
I find reading all these notices very difficult... I think they hire writers just to confuse us Ok, here is my thoughts.. Manufacture A designs and builds a radio card (minipci), and develops the firmware to operate it.They then get FCC certification for this radio, firmware, and (hopefully) several antenna and like. PC manufacture B then purchases this radio and firmware to incorporate into this device. Before, this PC should have been sent for FCC certification with this specific radio, firmware, and like antenna. Now if the PC manufacture wanted to use one from Mfg A or one from Mfg B then they would need to FCC certify each case. Sound familiar? As I read this, the PC manufacture would now only need to put a label stating that this PC has radio with FCC cert # . installed. If this is the case, how do we differ? We use the same firmware and radio combo, the only problem I see is radio manufactures only certify with small db antenna. If they would certify with 14, 19 and 24 db, then I don't see why we would be any different. This rule still needs the unique connector. I also don't see any distinction between being a client or an AP in this rule. I see this rule only as radiation concerns. Tim - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval Tim, I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit. I think what the FCC is doing is: 1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal modular assembly is. 2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data inputs, and power supply regulation. 3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is. 4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split modular assembly must meet. Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard meets the FCC's definition of a split modular assembly. I think the FCC considers a split modular assembly to be where circuitry that today would be contained on a single modular assembly is (now or in the future) split between two different physical assemblies. This splitting allows more equipment design flexibility because one transmitter control element (the new term that the FCC formerly called the module firmware) could theoretically be interfaced with and control more than one radio front end (the amplifier and antenna-connecting) section. Of course, that's just my interpretation. I'll bet others could add more detail. The bottom line is - I don't think this 2nd Report and Order contains anything that will substantially change the way we do business. jack Tim Kerns wrote: Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification Assistance for Wireless Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
We have one installed as a free hotspot for now while we test. As a hotspot it is working great. The issue I have with the units is from what I see they MUST call home to get configuration and will not allow data or clients to pass until it does. Also I believe they are using some sort of tunnel, I can tracert from one to a public site, but if I try to ping one of my AP in my network or SSH into one it fails. I think these would be great if we could install the control software on one of our servers, but I don't want any of my clients internet connections to be controlled by a 3rd party, or not have access because the Meraki site is either not available or running slow as it seemed to be last Friday. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA The Meraki nodes are configured through the central web dashboard. All payments go through Meraki, and they get their cut (I'm not sure what that is). The access controls are just lists of MAC addresses to be allowed or bypass the captive portal. There's no support for RADIUS. You *could* extend a Mikrotik hotspot with Meraki, though. On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Chase, Thanks for stopping by... got your flack suit on :) I have one set up as a hot spot, it looks like it is either free or paid, not some of both. I do not run dhcp so I had to go into the unit and change the settings giving it a static IP. This was not a problem once I discovered the password was the serial number. It appears to me that these will not allow client traffic until they are authenticated via Meraki dashboard. I don't mind this as long as this is for a hot spot, but I would like to use them at a customer to provide a mesh network within their home or property. For this I want it to be closed, but I don't want the unit to have to call home before it will allow traffic. It would be great to have the dashboard on one of my servers so I could then control them. With this I could see deploying nearly one or two at every customer I provide service to. I think we are maybe looking at these units to do something different than the original intent and that is not as a hot spot, but as a local mesh network. Thanks, Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company
IS THIS INFO CURRENT I seem to recall a few months ago what I believe is the same exchange of e-mails. Tim - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company Forbes is on the west coast, so when you sent your note at 9AM EST, it was 6AM there...give him a bit of time to get his coffee and get online. He's a fair man, and if you are correct, I'm sure it will be straightened out. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Basil Karjohn Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:00 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company When I came aware of this I called Mr Forbes offices and he was never in, I sent him an email to contact us regarding this matter, we have not heard from him. I question Mr Forbes as a good operator and businessman conduct if so why did he not contact our office to clirify this stuation, Comment by Mr Forbes: It's a shame we can't just shoot these people. Like I was telling one of my employees today, there are so many ways to honestly make money that these people that spend all their energy defrauding people are such a waste of our oxygen. There you are warned, my friends Is this a good operator and a fine businessman ? we are only responding to his article as he has damage our credibility, Mr Forbes and his Companies is the one that has taken this issue into several newsgroup, therefore he need to retract this statement. We have all documentation pertaining to this matter. I am still waiting on his response. Where is Mr Forbes ? I would appreciate his responce as he is the one that posted this. What is the motive behind this? See comments from other members that have posted responce from this article We are committed to customer satisfaction I will be more that happy to discuss this with Mr forbes, so he may retract this statement and have this matter settled. Rick Harnish rharnish at onlyinternet.net writes: Obviously, in our busy industry, mistakes are bound to happen. I suggest Forbes and Basil get together and work this out offlist. I'm sure that a cordial exchange can provide beneficial to both parties without damaging each others credibility or taking the issue into the courts. Forbes is a good operator and a fine businessman, I'm sure he will make his attempt to rectify the situation and I'm sure you will too Basil. This isn't the first time that there has been issues between customers and vendors brought on list to force the issue. I personally think sometimes that is needed. Once done, though please close your business transactions offlist and hopefully report a successful closure once it is done. Thank you, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: wireless-bounces at wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces at wispa.org] On Behalf Of Basil Karjohn Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:33 AM To: wireless at wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company Forbes Mercy sysop at nwinfo.net writes: The company http://www.wlansolution.com/ and last week it was http://www.senao-us.com/ is a fraudulent company that is trying to rip off companies buying Wireless card and said they were going to drop ship our Rootenna's out of Pacific Wireless in three days. Pacific Wireless doesn't know who they are and never received an order but then they talked to their partner company who got the order but never was sent payment. Senao then said they had called here many times and never did then this weekend we were suddenly signed up for a calling card from http://nobelcom.com using our company number and it was traced back to Senao so we had to cancel the company card. The bank had already credited the amount stating this company has a long history of fraud. After we tried emailing the company again today they sent an answer to the wrong name saying it's now coming Tuesday. We don't know what to think because it's now two weeks late and before any of you try them you should know what you could be up against. We now ordered from someone else. It's a shame we can't just shoot these people. Like I was telling one of my employees today, there are so many ways to honestly make money that these people that spend all their energy defrauding people are such a waste of our oxygen. There you are warned, my friends. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. I am the owner of this company, and I came across this article, I have given Mr Forbes the oppertunity to contact our office, And we have not heard from him, He is in hiding, This information is incorrect and I encurage him to contact us by the email I sent him with our contact information. there will be legal action taken against him and his companies. Basil
Re: [WISPA] Form 445
John. Include CV-Access, Inc. Thanks, Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed themselves or do not wish to file for whatever reason. Obviously a Canadian company would not need to file a US mandated issue like this. Are you wanting to be included? Scriv cw wrote: This is wonderful but you would need our FRN. Are you saying we don't have to have this postmarked today? John Scrivner wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later filing now. Kris will be filing on behalf of all paid WISPA Principal Members. All you have to do is reply to the email and say, Include me in WISPA 445 Filing and include your official, legal company name. That's it. Your filing will be complete.This is being done as a benefit of WISPA membership at NO CHARGE TO YOU. To take advantage of this offer you MUST respond within 24 hours, by no later than 3 pm Central time on Tuesday, Feb 13th. If you are not already a paid WISPA member then this is not available to you unless you get us $250 before noon tomorrow Central time and fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org. John Scrivner President WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion
The die cast would be stronger... the issue is the mount only makes contact at the 3 screws to the grid, this allows the grid to flex and move in the wind. On a 2.4 feed horn the square tube has a U shape clamp that ties the grid and feed horn to the mount making it stronger. I spoke to support @ PacWireless over 18 months ago, I was told they were looking at the mount, but never heard if it was redesigned. I might add that using the grid in the horizontal position, it does not flex as much. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Is it the mount or the grid itself. I haven't noticed it with the mount, but I know moving the wire grids around they will deflect. Get a couple of the die-cast ones if you don't have any and see if they are better. Tim Kerns wrote: Mac, Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the ease of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Are we preferring their grids to dishes? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion Mark, I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids, MT CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I have built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango dual polarity ext's. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5 GHz antennas and what to choose. Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul with a CM9. Currently, I've got two applications: 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over. 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over. What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these... Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be adjusted. Experience? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
Matt, The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel. I believe they do this using both vert and hor polarity. Is this the system you are out growing? Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options While I'm a fan of MikroTik, the test setup you show is not a viable solution in a real world deployment. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Coppini (AIR Networks) Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Are you looking at Unlicensed? I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput, long distance links. With bonding you can easily get 100Mbps speeds, just keep adding links as your need grows. See this: 150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Super_wireless_test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 12 December 2006 4:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options Guys, We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the distance is a problem. Any suggestions on a product that can do high throughput in the 5-10 mile range? I am looking for something that can easily exceed 100Mbps full duplex. I know the specs of the Orthogon Spectra and no it doesn't really get us past 100Mbps full duplex. 24Ghz unlicensed is looking like the sweet spot for us. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?
I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be disasterious. sell alot of storage devices... The Foxnews report says the requirement begins today and as usual not a lot of detail. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?
As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that comes into or goes out our server? Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today? We are common carriers. We no more have to copy peoples e-mail than the phone company has to record the contents of every call. Tim Kerns wrote: I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be disasterious. sell alot of storage devices... The Foxnews report says the requirement begins today and as usual not a lot of detail. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles
Tom, You might consider using a TV antenna rotor, the degree of motion may not be as fine as you desire, but I'm sure you could modify the controls to work off a relay. Also, dlink has a couple cameras that not only have audio in, but with an amp'd speaker can have audio out. They do have limited connections to control a relay, I think one or 2. Using a couple micro switches you could also control the rotation to prevent more than 360 degrees, but I believe the TV rotor also prevents this. Another thought is you may be able to use the pan and tilt circuitry to control a TV rotor? These can be controlled over Ethernet or through a wireless camera connection. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles For the longest time, I wanted to build a solution to do the following, from each of our Master Cell Sites 1) Rotate a IP Camera 360 deg (remotely over an IP connection) 2) Rotate a Pole with a Trango Fox 5800SU on it 360 deg (remotely over IP connection). The purpose is two fold When Link quality severally degrades for a short period, either packet loss or rssi, 1) To discover/view when there is a third party worker working on the roof of our cell site. (Who may be standing in front of antennas periodically or testing gear that interfers without getting pre-approved) 2) To do a spectrum site survey, on the fly in any direction, to find the least noisy channel, WITHOUT taking the primary sector antenna down (offline). By having the radio and the camera on the same pole, it would help confirm which direction we were pointing exactly when doing the survey. One of the other requirements is that it won't turn more that 360 in one direction to prevent cable CAT5 breaking, and to ahve a refference of the starting point in deg, calibrated to a known direction (north 0 deg?). What would REALLY be cool, is if it had a speaker out put on the camera, so I could yell at the worker standing in front of my antenna :-). I'm aware that some camera may have an output for controlling a relay or servo motor, as some solutions/platforms exist to mount and rotate a single camera attached. Preferably, I'd like a solution that could rotate the pole itself. Everything of course would need to be outdoor survivable, and strong enough that the pole would stay errect and safe at 200-300 feet up. My thought is that maybe the controls could be initiated from the IP Camera connections, If I found a rotating platform/pole mount. Are there any mechanical hobbyists out there, that might suggest the most cost effective way to accomplish this? (My goal is lowest cost, lowest cost, lowest cost, so I can afford to replicate the solution at about 20 locations) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON - Santa Clara Nov. 7-9
From CV-Access: Tim Kerns and Chuck Profito will be attending. We are located just 50 miles due east of Santa Clara in the Central Valley of Calif. Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R.Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:00 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] ISPCON - Santa Clara Nov. 7-9 Have you seen the sessions and speakers at ISPCON?http://www.ispcon.com/conference/sessionsbytrack.phpWho is going to the WISPA MEMBER RECEPTION AND MEETINGTUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7 @ 6:30 PM - 8:30 PM, ROOM 201Regards,PeterRAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP StrategistWe Help ISPs Connect Communicate813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story
Tom, Am I missing your reply .? this is the 2nd post from you this am that is only you signature. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story I'm NOT reading this right when you combine 46 Mbps and 900 mhz in the same paragraph ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unfortuneately turned out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row of pine trees between buildings. Buildings were probably 600 yards away from each other. The Trango built-in antenna model installed pulled 46 mbps throughput and zero packet loss, perfect link. WooHoo. (I know short distance, but pine trees scare me, and often have unpredictable results even when doing 900Mhz). Only negative thing was Trango made the profit, allowing me only to make $200 markup, instead of the original $1500, that I had originally covered in my quote with a Routerboard 532 solution, that didn't get the 30mbps capacity requirement. My pocket book, wishes I had the War/V3 solution a week earlier :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS With the nazi administration currently in power, one should think twice before deciding someone shouldn't be allowed to say or write things. But, I must say this statement is like a Linux loon calling FreeBSD crap. - cw JohnnyO wrote: I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I would look for posts labled Star-OS ! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireles s/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireles s/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireles s/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Storm
Ron, Are you seeing icmp to other IP's that are unreachable along with the icmp to 0.0.0.0 ? I have seen this in the past and looked like it was coming from a linksys router. I suspected the router was randomly replying to other's IP's, basically causing loops.To isolate I had to disable different AP's to discover which AP it was originating from, then acl each client until I could isolate to a client, long process in between network hangs. The last time this happened to me 90% of my network was bridged. Now I am 90% routed and have not seen the problem Tim - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List ; William.L. Edwards Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm Thanks Bill. -Original Message-From: William.L. Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Storm It is probably peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent traffic if I were guessing. W.L. EdwardsCEORNet CommunicationsOffice 765-342-3554Fax 765-349-4880IMPORTANT: Confidentiality Statement:This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may containinformation that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not theintended recipient, dissemination of this communication is prohibited. Ifyou have received this communication in error, please erase all copies ofthe message and its attachments and notify RNet Communications immediately -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Network Storm To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/391 - Release Date: 7/18/2006 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/391 - Release Date: 7/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)
We have Clearwire in some of the area we serve. I think we have lost one customer to them, but we have gotten customers that could not use them. In the area where they serve (Modesto, Ceres, Turlock of Ca.) they are trying to get the populated areas, competing against DSL and Cable. They provide their customers with an indoor CPE and tell them how to connect it, and to move it around until they can get a good signal. Well 2.5 ghz still does not penetrate trees, brick, cement block or stucco homes. We have alot of all of these. Also their range seems to be approx 1 to 1.5 miles from their towers. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should be, as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it already. Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any other ISP or WISP. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links to them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-) The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same tower as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not good enough clauses to protect your right to spectrum. For example is the Orthogon equipment using 5.8Ghz? Are you using 5.8Ghz? Execute that Non-Interference clause, if you can. Provided you bought the right to broadcast at 5.8Ghz first. The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for the exact same clients. My advice is take advantage of any customer awareness that they generate for you. If you are there first, hopefully you know the market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running your signup promotions. The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is). Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in the same town, and there was enough business to go around. Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why they think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why customers would choose clearwire over you. My answer would be, no reason I could think of. So you have as much a chance at the client base as Clearwire. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?) I have a tower in rural Western Washington. Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1 Orthogon systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his service stack up? I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind of guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I think Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS loans in our rural areas. And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being applied for in my area? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What list is public and which is private???
John, I have this problem all the time trying to figure which is the general and which is the members only we need to change one so it is more apparent which we are replying to. My thoughts, Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] USF fund reform I assumed this previous post was on an internal WISPA list server and was never meant to be publicly disseminated. I apologize to Marlon for making this private internal debate a public issue. I am not looking for any public discussion of these internal WISPA discussions. This topic needs to go into WISPA membership only list discussion areas now and the topic is closed for public discussion. Topic closed. Deepest regrets, John Scrivner -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.384 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/287 - Release Date: 3/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
Ok dream list. I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits what you mention plus: multiple freq. by change of radio card .. for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz, 5ghz support for higher powered radios single and dual radio versions QOS Channel size 5mhz,10mhz etc. firewall port forwarding dual ethernet POE - prefer standard 48 vdc small footprint SNMP syslogs and remote syslog watchdog, both ping and hardware maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs server) support multiple gateways temp range for outside installations as you asked Mark dream list. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) What's your CPE do for you... Or what do you WISH it did for you? My dream list... $100 without antenna can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer Routing nat DHCP server to client DHCP client to AP bandwidth control Centralized management and configuration centralized or automatic update What other things do have or wish your cpe did for you? Or, characteristics of your CPE? Let's not get into dsss vs ofdm vs (insert favorite here) etc. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ping utility
Glad you found your problem, but those of us who are lazy http://www.radmin.com/download/index.php and look for IPScanner windows based program which will scan a subnet. - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ping utility Thanks everyone. Turns out I had the POE plugged into the switch instead of the other black cable that was the one going up the tower. When I plugged the LAN side of the POE into the switch I got 2 lights on the switch to turn on. Then I figured out the little loop. So I dug into the nema box a little deeper and found the correct black cable. And the radio was at default. Thanks, All. Blair Davis wrote: Try this. http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/ It works well for me and is free. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is there a program out there that will work on windows to ping addresses? I hung a Trango AP and don't know it's IP address. Any way to get it? I think I know what range it's on, but that is a lot of addresses to ping. Any program that will do this? -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
