from:"mike"

But it's not their job. I'm not asking them to do my laundry either. 

That's the responsibility of whatever is feeding data to Authorize.Net\IP Pay. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:56:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



If you haven’t heard of that, Mike, then you haven’t used Authorize.net. 

It IS IP Pay’s responsibility to listen to the customer’s needs. If they want 
to stand out, then they will also adjust to and meet those needs. They should 
at LEAST provide a similar level of service to Authorize.net. Like I said, we 
are small and things like that help a LOT! 

Otherwise the customer leaves. Maybe one day they will understand that they 
need to be flexible. And it looks like I am not the only one with similar 
views. 

Ralph 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:58 PM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level. 



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From: "ralph" < ralphli...@bsrg.org > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



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From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org &

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Do not write credit card anything on paper. Stay away from ever seeing a credit 
card. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jan-OOLLC" <j.vank...@oregononline.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:15:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I stopped IPPay for some of the same reasons as Ralph and that they would not 
provide the name of the customer who bumped their bill by claiming they didn't 
know who we were after all of our ippay customers had been on the system for a 
year or more. Plus they charged me for the transaction including a fee so a $50 
loss became a $135 bill. With service like that, who needs them? I went to a 
double entry system, write all transactions manually on paper and used the 
Wispmon.com (which can use IPPay too) and they keep records in their database. 
They are now known as https://sonar.software/ . They have a fully WISP centered 
system with maps, ticketing, sales, FCC registering, fresnel testing, parts 
inventory, parts sales and too much more to list here. 


JV 


On 02/03/2018 09:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 



We use stripe and ippay in our network. Hands down I prefer Stripe. IPPay gets 
the job done - but it is cumbersome, not flexible and requires a root canal and 
DNA check to get setup. 

On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46, ralph < ralphli...@bsrg.org > wrote: 






I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net . Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus,

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like the 
people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, but... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
web and app. 


IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. But 
it’s not pretty. 


Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
it’s way better, IMHO. 

On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans < jev...@pennwisp.com > wrote: 





CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO. 
Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it other 
than what you describe in looking up transactions. 


Jeff 


On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote: 




I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net . Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wirel

[WISPA] Need service in Des Moines

2018-01-27 Thread Mike Meluskey

315 SW 14th St
Des Moines IA 50309

anything from 25Mbps to 500Mbps.
A friend of mine has a data center in a low part of town that can see 
Downtown.

Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI


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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

2018-01-18 Thread Mike Hammett

I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
<li...@silverlakeinternet.com> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Why would you use Stripe? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike H

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Why would you use Stripe? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

2018-01-17 Thread Mike Meluskey


as are we.

On 17 Jan 2018, at 15:24, John Vogel wrote:


we use and are very happy with Billmax.


On Jan 17, 2018 1:07 PM, "Brian Rohrbacher"  
wrote:


What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is 
not
working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and 
I

liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be
falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45
days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time
consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers 
why

my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some
recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a
solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and
dislike about it?


Brian


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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 

Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett 
<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Why would you use Stripe? 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 

Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett 
<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 

It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 

Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 

-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Why would you use Stripe? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett 
<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a operator in South Dakota who can point us to Tier 1 PoPs near Aberdeen

2018-01-16 Thread Mike Hammett

"Tier 1" is not a useful term anymore. You're also not going to find the top 
carriers in Aberdeen. 

In Aberdeen, I'd be looking to SDN Communications. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Benjamin Huang" <b...@nectolab.io> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:05:09 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a operator in South Dakota who can point us to 
Tier 1 PoPs near Aberdeen 


Hey Guys: 


I have a customer who's looking for IP transit via a Tier 1's PoP in Aberdeen 
South Dakota. 


Anyone knows and operator in SD or any SD operators lurking who can point us to 
the right direction. 


Anything would be appreciated 


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Looking for a better internet provider? 
Book a meeting with me 
(415) 429-6397 

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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Two days left! CBRS comments are due Thursday, December 28, 2017. GET THIS DONE TODAY (before drinking all the eggnog)!

2018-01-05 Thread Mike Whelan

Thank you Stuart!

From: wisp-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wisp-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Stuart Robertson via WISP
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:20 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' ; 'Mark Radabaugh' 
; 'Principal WISPA Member List' ; 
memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] Two days left! CBRS comments are due Thursday, 
December 28, 2017. GET THIS DONE TODAY (before drinking all the eggnog)!

Done… did it yesterday. Easy enough to do. The hardest part is writing the 
first sentence.

-Stuart

From: wisp-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:wisp-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via WISP
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 9:13 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org  ; wireless@wispa.org 
 ; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] Two days left! CBRS comments are due Thursday, 
December 28, 2017. GET THIS DONE TODAY (before drinking all the eggnog)!

WISPA Members,

We are in the middle of one of the most important fights in the history of our 
industry.  We need every member (operators, vendors, service providers) to 
submit comments to the FCC.  More background and an outline to help you cover 
all the bases are in Steve Coran’s email below.   

Please take 30 minutes today and put together a letter to the FCC on CBRS.  If 
you need assistance, or want help reviewing a draft, contact me, Mark 
Radabaugh, or Steve Coran off list and we’ll help you.  

We have also developed a website that will enable you to see the difference 
between census tracts (the current proposal for allocating PALs) and PEAS.  
Instructions for accessing that website are below.  

If you would prefer to have a KMZ file showing PEA's that you can use, you can 
download it here: 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5b1zf1mtm5b0v2/FCC_PEAs_website.kmz?dl=0

THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT 

Citizens Broadband Radio Service

GN Docket No. 17-258

Suggestions for Filing Comments regarding Notice of Proposed Rulemaking

Deadline: Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 11:59 pm Eastern Time

Background

On October 24, 2017, the FCC released a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) 
that would fundamentally change the Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS), 
which includes the 3550-3650 MHz band and the existing 3650-3700 MHz band.  
WISPA will be filing extensive Comments opposing many of the proposed rule 
changes, and we believe it is very important for individual members – WISPs, 
manufacturers, vendors, etc. – to also file Comments.

Summary of Current Rules That Will Be Changed If WISPs Do Not Comment

The FCC adopted rules in April 2015 to establish the CBRS band.  The band 
employs a three-tier spectrum access model.  Incumbent Access (earth stations 
and military) that must always be protected from interference; Priority Access, 
which will be auctioned by the FCC according to census tracts and must protect 
incumbents; and General Authorized Access (GAA), a “license by rule” service 
that must protect Incumbent and Priority Access use.  The FCC allocated up to 
70 megahertz for Priority Access Licenses (PALs) and the remaining 80 megahertz 
for GAA use.  The FCC also will allow GAA use opportunistically when and where 
Priority Access Licenses (PALs) are not in use.  The model will be governed by 
a Spectrum Access System (SAS) that will enforce the three-tier approach.

In addition to fixed wireless service, the CBRS band is viewed as an 
“innovation band” to enable other business models such as Industrial Internet 
of Things, private networks, venues (e.g., airports, arenas, shopping malls), 
neutral host networks and others.

Summary of Proposed Changes to the Rules Sought by the Mobile Industry

Here is a link to the proposed regulatory action that the FCC is considering:  

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-17-134A1.pdf)

PLEASE BE SURE TO READ Paragraphs 9-27, which are relevant to the proposals 
discussed below  

The FCC, at the request of the mobile industry, is proposing changes to the PAL 
rules so they are friendlier to national mobile carriers.  If adopted, the 
proposed rules would effectively foreclose small companies that wish to acquire 
protected spectrum for small areas and create a “5G-only” band available only 
to the large mobile wireless providers.  The specific proposals are as follows: 

*  Conduct PAL auctions based on Partial Economic Areas (PEAs) or other 
geographic areas that are larger than census tracts, such as counties.  There 
are 416 PEAs and more than 74,000 census tracts.  Census tracts are optimized 
at a population of ~4,000.

*  Extend Priority Access License (PAL) terms from 3 years to 10 years and add 
a “renewal expectancy” that could make PALs essentially perpetual.

These proposed rule changes would make the cost of

Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

Right. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:21:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


... however if you agree that you'll save money on your upstream and want to 
install a shared cost, meet in the middle, peering with Netflix (Google, 
Amazon, Acme startup, ...) you've created a "fast lane" and are now the enemy 
of ignorant net neutrality advocates. 



On Dec 16, 2017 23:39, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

There is a lot of misunderstanding out there. 

You had to treat classes of traffic the same. All VoIP the same. All streaming 
video the same. All games the same, etc. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:26:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


Legally there is. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 16, 2017 12:17 PM, "Marco Coelho" < coelh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance consultants. 

· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

"Fast Lanes" were an idea posed by the anti-ISP crowd and then when the big 
ISPs started to catch on to that, the anti-ISP latched onto that as the next 
evil. 

They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate it. 






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- Original Message -

From: "Marco Coelho" <coelh...@gmail.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:17:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance consultants. 

· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

2017-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Fair how? 




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From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> 
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 


Because it's the fair thing to do. As a neighbour I would greatly appreciate 
it. 


On Dec 15, 2017 21:05, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why? 




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From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:04:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it will 
affect us much in areas of high-competition. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: 
> What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being 
> over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and 
> DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this 
> will have little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend 
> on changing our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger 
> picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will 
> raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access. 


Nothing. It wasn't mayhem in the decades before 2015 and it won't suddenly 
become a problem now. The big guys are always going to try some crap until 
someone calls them on it, "net neutrality" or not. 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

2017-12-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Why? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:04:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it will 
affect us much in areas of high-competition. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: 
> What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being 
> over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and 
> DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this 
> will have little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend 
> on changing our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger 
> picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will 
> raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access. 


Nothing. It wasn't mayhem in the decades before 2015 and it won't suddenly 
become a problem now. The big guys are always going to try some crap until 
someone calls them on it, "net neutrality" or not. 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

2017-12-10 Thread Mike Hammett

Net Neutrality never applied to anything other than mass-market consumer-facing 
services. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:44:34 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 


What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over 
turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL companies 
may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this will have little impact 
on us and our customers (since we don't intend on changing our policies) but I 
may not be thinking about the bigger picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and 
upstream fiber providers will raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes 
to middle mile access. 


How far reaching could this go? My hope was there is more competition in data 
centers for bandwidth so we won't see the games the last mile (cable & telco) 
providers might play with customers and content providers. 
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Re: [WISPA] Rantoul, IL provider

2017-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett

Check Wigi Wireless and Maxwire. 




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From: "John Von Stein" <j...@qxc.us> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:30:07 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Rantoul, IL provider 



Can anyone service this address? 



300 Twin Lakes Dr. 

Rantoul, IL 61866 




Thank you, 

John W. Von Stein 



QXC Communications | Internet, VOIP, & TV

4541 N Dixie Hwy 

Boca Raton, FL 33431 

Office: 561-288-6989 

DUNS: 07-9220254 

Federal Contractor CAGE Code: 7PES8 

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Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

2017-12-06 Thread Mike Hammett

WISPA has been talking about it loudly for at least four years? 




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From: "Jan Van Kort" <j.vank...@oregononline.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:56:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 


no more 10-40? Sorry, don't know about part 90, who's been doing the informing 
anyway? Could that be why only 10 people seem to know about this? 


On 2017-12-06 03:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 


currently only 3.65-3.7GHz is available to use under part 90. 


CBRS opens up an additional 100MHz from 3.55-3.65GHz and changes the 
3.65-3.7GHz from part 90 to CBRS 


The "citizens band” naming of CBRS is a poorly chosen name by the FCC and has 
nothing to do with the old “trucker” CB band. 






Sean Heskett 


ZIRKEL Wireless 
High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado 
970-871-8500 x100 - Office 
970-846-8065 - mobile 
866-903-4628 - Fax 

Website | Facebook 




On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Jan Van Kort < j.vank...@oregononline.net > wrote: 



I use that now, where does CBRS get tied to 3.6 equipment? I read the fcc blurb 
on cbrs and they didn't cover 3.6, only mentioned cb radios and 40 channels. 
Didn't know anybody still used that stuff, grew out of that 40 years ago. 


On 2017-12-06 03:05 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 


CBRS is the 3.55-3.7GHz band (not 2.6-2.7) 


and yes there’s lots of equipment ready to use the band. cambium canopy and all 
the LTE vendors have product. 




Sean Heskett 


ZIRKEL Wireless 
High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado 
970-871-8500 x100 - Office 
970-846-8065 - mobile 
866-903-4628 - Fax 

Website | Facebook 




On Dec 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Jan Van Kort < j.vank...@oregononline.net > wrote: 



CBRS? is there any wisp equipment available in the 2.6-2.7Mhz band? Do you 
really think a Verizon schill in charge of the FCC is going to give a crap 
about what the citizens/tax-payers need or want? The only thing he might 
respect is a law-suit. Protests would only help him laugh. 


On 2017-12-06 02:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 


Too many mailing lists, and it doesn’t help that most of mine sort into the 
same folder so it’s hard to tell which list a given posting is on. 


I sent it to members just now. 



Mark 





On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Rick Harnish < rick.harn...@baicells.com > wrote: 



Mark, 

Just curious, why was this not posted to memb...@wispa.org . My experience 
tells me that this list is not populated with near as many people as the 
members list is. 


Respectfully, 

-  - 
Rick Harnish 

Director of WISP Markets 

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
Mobile: (972) 922-1443 

rick.harn...@baicells.com 
www.facebook.com/baicells 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 





The feedback we are getting back from DC is that certain parties at the FCC 
noticed our #CBRS tags but didn’t think it was getting much traction. So… time 
to ramp it up. 



Mark 







On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 




Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect. 

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything. 


On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 



The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 

PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
House

Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

2017-12-06 Thread Mike Hammett

You must be new here. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jan Van Kort" <j.vank...@oregononline.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 


CBRS? is there any wisp equipment available in the 2.6-2.7Mhz band? Do you 
really think a Verizon schill in charge of the FCC is going to give a crap 
about what the citizens/tax-payers need or want? The only thing he might 
respect is a law-suit. Protests would only help him laugh. 


On 2017-12-06 02:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 


Too many mailing lists, and it doesn’t help that most of mine sort into the 
same folder so it’s hard to tell which list a given posting is on. 


I sent it to members just now. 



Mark 





On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Rick Harnish < rick.harn...@baicells.com > wrote: 



Mark, 

Just curious, why was this not posted to memb...@wispa.org . My experience 
tells me that this list is not populated with near as many people as the 
members list is. 


Respectfully, 

-  - 
Rick Harnish 

Director of WISP Markets 

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
Mobile: (972) 922-1443 

rick.harn...@baicells.com 
www.facebook.com/baicells 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 





The feedback we are getting back from DC is that certain parties at the FCC 
noticed our #CBRS tags but didn’t think it was getting much traction. So… time 
to ramp it up. 



Mark 







On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 




Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect. 

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything. 


On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 



The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 

PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
House. 


Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or other 
government officials; we need their support! You can identify your Members of 
Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov , and their social media 
links will be listed on their websites. 


Twitter (no more than 280 characters): 


Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and should 
not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s 
Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Attention @FCC : Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally closing 
the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your 
member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to favor 
the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


In the #CBRS spectru

Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

2017-12-06 Thread Mike Hammett

Use Hootsuite to schedule the next's week's worth of posts all at once. Don't 
need to maintain it every day. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> 
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <w...@wispa.org>, "WISPA General List" 
<wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:02:57 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day 
next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 


The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 


PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
House. 


Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or other 
government officials; we need their support! You can identify your Members of 
Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov , and their social media 
links will be listed on their websites. 


Twitter (no more than 280 characters): 


Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and should 
not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s 
Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Attention @FCC : Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally closing 
the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your 
member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to favor 
the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


In the #CBRS spectrum band, c ensus-tract-sized PAL licenses are crucial for 
bringing broadband internet to rural customers. https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert 
your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews @FCC 


Facebook and LinkedIn: 


Dear @FCC: Don’t leave rural areas like mine behind by changing the #CBRS rules 
to favor the big mobile companies! @Your-member-of-Congress : Please let FCC 
know your views! More info at WISPA.org : https://goo.gl/TKczyK 


Any of the above options will work as well. 




2) The “easy way”: Follow WISPA on these networks, watch for our posts, and 
then “like,” “retweet,” “share,” etc. We will be using the hashtag #CBRS. 


3) Down the road, we will ask you to contact your U.S. House and U.S. Senate 
members; be prepared to draft your company’s official comments to the FCC; and 
sign on to WISPA’s industry letters to the FCC and/or Congress. Stay tuned! 



FOR MORE INFORMATION: 
· Jimmy Carr, Chair of WISPA’s Legislative Committee, jc...@wispa.org 
· Mark Radabaugh, Chair of WISPA’s FCC Committee, m...@amplex.net 



Mark Radabaugh 
WISPA FCC Committee Chair 
fcc_ch...@wispa.org 
419-261-5996 

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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

2017-10-14 Thread Mike Hammett

Cambium also announced their LTE line. Not physically, but made the 
announcement and gave background on it. Also, AC ePMP isn't exactly nothing 
spectacular. 

I do find all of hte announcements like a month before WISPAPALOOZA to be oddly 
timed. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:39:15 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef? 


It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine? 


Nothing new from Mimosa 


UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul 


Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either 


Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

2017-10-14 Thread Mike Hammett

"Just another 5 GHz backhaul" is the first on their new LTU (airFiber v2) 
platform. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:39:15 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef? 


It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine? 


Nothing new from Mimosa 


UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul 


Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either 


Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] ethernet over twisted pair ?

2017-10-11 Thread mike . lyon

VDSL adapters

https://www.startech.com/m/Networking-IO/Media-Converters/Ethernet-Extenders/10-100Mbps-VDSL2-Ethernet-LAN-Extender-Kit~110VDSLEXT

-Mike

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 15:58, Jeff Evans <jev...@pennwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> Seems like I have read of these adapters, can you recommend a device 
> that will accomplish this?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Evans, Managing Member
> PennWisp, LLC
> www.pennwisp.com
> 
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Re: [WISPA] NANOG71

2017-10-02 Thread Mike Hammett

Is Jason Hynds there? I think he's an ARIN fellow this time around. He was 
asking me about wireless. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy Austin" <jhaus...@gmail.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 4:56:53 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] NANOG71 


Any WISPs at NANOG71/ARIN40 who want to talk wispish, hit me up. I’ll be here 
all week. 


Already met Werner from a South Africa, some cool stuff they’re doing. 




Cheers 
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[WISPA] Fwd: Hurricane Maria: Summary of communication status - and lack of

2017-09-29 Thread mike . lyon

Forwarded from another list...


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sean Donelan 
> Date: September 29, 2017 at 20:07:47 PDT
> To: "na...@nanog.org" 
> Subject: Re: Hurricane Maria: Summary of communication status - and lack of
> 
> 
> The situation reports from Puerto Rico seems to be getting passed through 
> public relations, so I'll try to add some context.
> 
> 
> Public Safety
>   Primary Public Safety Answering Point (9-1-1) center generator ran out of 
> diesel fuel.  Switched to alternate PSAP.
> 
>  San Juan Police Department has restored its radio repeaters and police radio 
> communications metro-wide. (translated from spanish, so I think I understood 
> the technical translation).
> 
> 
> 
> Landline Central Offices
>813,546 subscribers (CIA World Factbook)
> 
>390,000 subscribers in 52 municipalities with voice, data and long 
> distance (Claro)
> Repaired fiber optic cable conntecting CO's in Fajardo and Rio Grande.
> 
> 65% of inter-office Central Office connections restored island-wide.
> Remaining CO's have only local voice calling.
> 
> Optico Fiber reports most of its infrastructure is intact, and has open 
> WiFi hotspots outside its offices.
> 
> 
> Wireless services
>3,227,281 subscribers (CIA World Factbook)
> 
>29 municipalities have 0% working cell sites.  It appears carriers are 
> repairing one tower in each county/municipality to improve island-wide 
> coverage.  Several municipalities going from 0 to 1 cell site working.
> 
>310,000 subscribers in 28 municipalities with working cell towers (Claro)
> 
>34% of San Juan has working cell tower coverage (Claro)
> 
>Cell on Wheels in Ponce (4 mile radius) serving 6,000 calls per hour, 
> 35,000 texts per hour (AT)
> 
>Dorado, Tao Baja and Toa Alta have T-Mobile service (T-Mobile)
> 
> 
> I don't know what FCC and PRTRB are counting:
> 
>286 working cell sites out of 2671 (according to FCC report)
>96 working cell sites out of 1600 (according to PR Telecommunications 
> Regulatory Board report)
> 
>For context, the number of cell sites repaired each day since the end of 
> Hurricane Maria is improving slowly - average less than 20 sites a day, but 
> some days its negative, i.e. more cell towers failing than repaired.
> 
>On U.S. Virigin Islands, the number of cell sites out of service decreased 
> initially, but has slowly increased for the last 5 days.
> 
> I created a spreadsheet of the FCC wirelss outage data from hurricane Harvey, 
> Irma and Maria.
> 
> https://www.donelan.com/FCC-Wireless-Outages.xlsx
> 
> There is no consistent pattern between states, territories or hurricanes. 
> Florida had the fatest wireless restoration, average 500 cell sites restored 
> a day; while U.S. Virgin Islands averaged less than 1 cell site restored.  
> But Florida was mostly restoring the electrical grid, which restored lots of 
> cell sites.  Harvey was slow to start restoring cell sites, the tropical 
> storm lasted for days; but less than 6% of cell sites were out of service.
> 
> 
> Cable systems
> 
> First official report from Liberty Cable Puerto Rico
> 
> Most cable headends or in good condition, with backup generators. 
> Internet connection to international circuits reconnected. Main fiber trunk 
> between San Juan and Luquillo completed. Working to repair infrastructure and 
> primary services such as physical plant, main repeater bases, fiber optic 
> ring and fiber to distribution stations in neighborhoods. (LibertyPR)
> 
> 
> Satellite Services and Satellite Phones
> 
>   As more satellite phones are distributed, social media and news reporters 
> are saying satellite capacity is getting worse.  It may be user issues and 
> lack of training, or running out of satellite bandwidth in the area.
> 
>   American Red Cross driving a VSAT station between shelters, and setting up 
> temporary hotspots for an hour at each shelter so people can contact family 
> members.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance

2017-09-29 Thread Mike Meluskey

As are US Virgin Islanders.
We have seen FEMA / DHS talk a big game in the VI, but they have accomplished 
very little.  They did send the marines to clear a remote road on St. John.  No 
fuel help, no transport help.  But they have filled all our hotel rooms and are 
enjoying room service and air conditioning.
Mike - going on a diesel fuel run to a remote tower site

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote:
> 
> Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. 
> 
> The Internet is "critical infrastructure".  
> 
> Is there anything that WISPA can do in Washington D.C. to "remind" the FCC, 
> FEMA and DHS of these facts and light a fire under their butts? 
> 
> jack
> 
> On 9/27/2017 7:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>> We are in touch with FEMA and DHS… but no help… 
>> 
>> From: <members-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on 
>> behalf of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi <mailto:m...@broadband.vi>>
>> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" <memb...@wispa.org 
>> <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM
>> To: "memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" <memb...@wispa.org 
>> <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> Broadband VI is in a similar predicament as Gino.  We had double the 
>> pleasure, Irma for St. Thomas and St. John, Maria for St. Croix.
>> We are taking advantage of private relief aircraft for our critical material.
>> 
>> Since Aeronet is critical infrastructure, FEMA and DHS have people dedicated 
>> to helping Telcos.  Gino needs to find these people and have them ship down 
>> the gear he needs.
>> 
>> Mike Meluskey
>> Broadband VI
>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com 
>>> <mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>> Subject:Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
>>> Date:   Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:03:07 -0400
>>> From:   Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
>>> <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>>> Reply-To:   WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> To: 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> 
>>> Daniel,
>>> I am heading up the WECAT response for this. Please send me 
>>> an email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com 
>>> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>. Gino Villarini is a large WISP on 
>>> the island who has requested help. The problem is logistics right now. His 
>>> replacement equipment is still stateside and we are working on ways to get 
>>> it to him. He has asked that I coordinate the manpower resources and 
>>> response. There are no scheduled commercial flights to the island yet. 
>>> Until he gets the equipment there,. Having people show up is not prudent. 
>>> He is working on a detailed manpower list for me once that equipment hits 
>>> the island.
>>>  
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>>>  
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Daniel K
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:10 PM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
>>>  
>>> Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after 
>>> Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called 
>>> RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now. 
>>>  
>>> I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones, 
>>> communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some 
>>> of the local WISPs get back on their feet. 
>>>  
>>> Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for 
>>> resources but do have an authorized climber certi

Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

2017-09-26 Thread Mike Goicoechea

Thanks for that Sonja. Brian Webster is leading efforts through WECAT. Brian 
are you on here ?

Mike Goicoechea |Chief Operating Officer |
Cielo Systems International | 806.977.9001 ext 101| m...@cielosystems.net Skype 
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Please excuse the brevity as this is from my mobile phone. 

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Sonja Harris <so...@conifercom.net> wrote:
> 
> Disaster Tech Lab: https://www.facebook.com/DisasterTechLab/ does a lot of 
> good work setting up telecom networks for the population effected. And they 
> always work with local WISPs whenever possible.
>  
> Sonja Harris
> so...@conifercom.net
> Conifer Communications
> www.ConiferCommunications.com
> (866) 378-8393
>  
> From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Daniel K <satha...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 4:10 PM
> To: <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
>  
> Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after 
> Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called 
> RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now. 
>  
> I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones, 
> communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some of 
> the local WISPs get back on their feet. 
>  
> Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for 
> resources but do have an authorized climber certification and a strong 
> electrical, mechanical, network, and WISP background that I'm sure could 
> benefit any similar effort if there is one.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Dan
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Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

2017-09-26 Thread Mike Goicoechea

We used to have a wispa response resource but not sure of its status. I have
reached out to a WISP in Arecibo PR and Gino in San Juan. I will let you
know if I get any response.

Thanks, 

Mike Goicoechea | Chief Operating Officer |

Cielo Systems International | 806.977.9001 ext 101| m...@cielosystems.net

Skype Mike. Goik| www.cielosystems.net <http://www.cielosystems.net/> |

 


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From:  <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Daniel K
<satha...@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Date:  Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM
To:  <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject:  [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after
Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called
RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now.

I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones,
communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some
of the local WISPs get back on their feet.

Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for
resources but do have an authorized climber certification and a strong
electrical, mechanical, network, and WISP background that I'm sure could
benefit any similar effort if there is one.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [WISPA] snowbird - seasonal packages & pricing

2017-09-26 Thread Mike Hammett

I just offer a discount commensurate to the amount of time a year they're gone 
and done. I donn't shut it off or anything. Too much work to keep track of. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeff Evans" <jev...@pennwisp.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:11:51 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] snowbird - seasonal packages & pricing 

For those of you who offer this service, how are your packages 
structured? I can see 2 packages, one where the internet is actually 
not available at all and one where there is a minimal connection for 
home monitoring. I am interested in minimum terms of full package 
pricing and if you charge a minimum for the inactive period. 

Thanks in advance 

-- 
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PennWisp, LLC 
www.pennwisp.com 

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Re: [WISPA] Accounting Software to Replace PC Based Quickbooks

2017-09-26 Thread mike . lyon

QBO here along with their payroll.

I don't use QBO for my recurring billing though. I use chargify.com for that.

-Mike

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 07:41, Bill MacNamara <macnamarab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> OI have clients that have used them all and they seem to gravitate back to 
> QBB. I can tell you one client tried ZOHO and was very disappointed for what 
> it's worth.
> 
>  
> Bill MacNamara
> (928) 970-1340
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Tom Fadgen <tfad...@coastinet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Every 3 years I replace my Quickbooks software with the new version
>> since they will no longer support some features with the old versions.
>> This year I lost my part time bookkeeper that would come in once a
>> week and all the new part-timers want to work remote which makes an
>> online service the best choice. I use ADP for payroll and integrated
>> time keeping and I use Powercode for receivables. I am looking at the
>> following:
>> 
>> Quickbooks Online
>> Freshbooks
>> Zoho
>> 
>> I am sure I am not the only one that has made or is looking into this.
>> What is everyone else using. I believe that Quickbooks is the dominant
>> player here and but I am not quite sure they are the best for me
>> needs.
>> 
>> What is everyone else using?
>> 
>> Tom Fadgen
>> coastinet.com
>> 
>> 
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[WISPA] Test

2017-09-20 Thread mike . lyon

Test
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Re: [WISPA] PSA: BGP broke 650k routes

2017-09-11 Thread Mike Francis

I pulled our graphs real quick and the max IPV4 prefixes I am seeing on 
any carrier over the past 4 weeks is 650.67k routes.


John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 9/11/2017 11:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Do you by chance graph and know what that peak number was?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 11, 2017 12:36 PM, "Nick Bright" > wrote:


This has happened a few times before when big Tier 1's like
Verizon or Level 3 make an aggregation or filter mistake. Usually
they correct it within a few hours.

On 9/8/2017 6:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'm not sure where the 650k max-prefix-limit came from -
consultant or I thought it was plentiful - but both of my peers
just hit 650.6k and 651.2k routes which caused all kinds of fun
this morning.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Test

2017-08-26 Thread mike . lyon

Thanks

Apparently this is the only list i can send to even though all my settings in 
the portal say otherwise...

If only there was someone to contact to fix it...

-Mike

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 23:13, Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Reply
> 
> On Aug 26, 2017 12:11 AM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[WISPA] Test

2017-08-26 Thread mike . lyon

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Re: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188

2017-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett

My first thought is E-Vergent. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "David Funderburk" <df...@globalvision.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:45:55 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188 

Can anyone provide residential service this area in Illinois? 
Carol Stream, IL 60188 


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Re: [WISPA] Sturgis SD service

2017-07-11 Thread Mike Francis


Ralph,

We do projects like this all over. If not one locally steps yup we would 
be interested in bidding on it.


By the way, If I reply directly to ralphli...@bsrg.org it gets kicked 
back as undeliverable.


Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 7/11/2017 8:12 AM, ralph wrote:


We do marinas and campgrounds in the Southeast and had a customer 
staying at one of them inquire about us doing their campground in Sturgis.


180 campsites and 29 cabins. Although we did the project for Full 
Throttle Saloon (before the TV show and before it burned down), we 
don’t do any other Sturgis work.


Is there a WISP or even an integrator here that can do a project in 
Sturgis?   It would probably be small APs in the cabins and then some 
outdoor ones in the campground, behind a captive portal. And all 
probably interconnected wirelessly.


I can recommend a provider for the captive portal part that doesn’t 
take a cut of your profits.  Just requires a Mikrotik router at the site.


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[WISPA] Microsoft Update Thrashing Connections

2017-07-11 Thread Mike Hammett

It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have issues 
with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at least one 
level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. When you have 
them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and Microsoft to look 
into why it is happening. 

We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP connections 
open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and sending more 
bits than the customer is limited to. 




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[WISPA] Fwd: Sign onto EFF's comment to the FCC on their net neutrality proposal

2017-07-06 Thread mike . lyon

Forwarded on from another mailing list.

-Mike


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Erica Portnoy <er...@eff.org>
> Date: July 5, 2017 at 15:59:37 PDT
> To: na...@nanog.org
> Subject: Sign onto EFF's comment to the FCC on their net neutrality proposal
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> As many of you know, the FCC is currently engaging in the process of
> repealing its network neutrality rules and eliminating its Title II
> authority over broadband providers.
> 
> I'm writing you today to ask you to sign on to a letter that EFF has
> prepared for filing, which explains several key engineering concepts
> that are vital to understanding how the Internet actually operates given
> that the FCC's own findings misinterpret how the Internet works.
> 
> The letter stays away from legal arguments, and instead focuses on
> technical statements on the design and operation of the Internet. It is
> meant to establish a factual record for the FCC about the Internet and
> it is necessary because its initial findings in its Notice of Proposed
> Rulemaking
> <https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-344614A1.pdf> are
> just wrong. For one, the FCC thinks that broadband Internet providers
> are the ones providing end users with the services of the entire
> Internet, from search engines to online newspapers to language
> translation tools.
> 
> /*If you're willing to sign on and help, please email
> engineers-nn-comme...@eff.org (off-list) by Friday, July 14 */and I will
> be happy to share a copy of the letter for you to review before you
> agree to sign on.
> 
> The more signatures we can get, the more likely the FCC is to take
> notice as well as the courts should they move forward. All it takes is
> an email. Please help us make sure the FCC gets the facts from an
> engineer's standpoint.
> 
> Thank you for your support,
> 
> Erica Portnoy
> Staff Technologist
> Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[WISPA] Baicells question

2017-07-04 Thread mike . lyon

When deploying a Baicells eNb and Baicells CPE, is it possible to route a 
subnet to a specific CPE without it getting NAT'd at the CPE or eNb?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Mike Hammett

No.Cisco is definitely not worth it at that price. 

Given my experiences with Cisco, I'm not sure Cisco is worth it at any price. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "David Jones" <d...@nglconnection.com> 
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <w...@wispa.org>, "WISPA General List" 
<wireless@wispa.org>, "Mikrotik Users" <mikrotik-us...@wispa.org>, 
memb...@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 12:46:01 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco... 


Good morning. 


I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people. 


Let me give you an overview of where we are. 
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to our core 
with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers using VRRP (I had 
a core die from power supply failure and our network didn't skip a beet while 
it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge that is a Cisco 
ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers. 


The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged horribly 
when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did fine with the BGP 
but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not having good drivers for the 
interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems. 


It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the Virtual 
host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to. 


All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset itself twice 
in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco = 15-20min down time. 
We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge. 


So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle for a 
while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get something like 
this 
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB
 ) 

and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use? 


We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to configure 
and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the price for less 
throughput? 
Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680 
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099 
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558 


vs Mikrotik 
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986 

CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95 
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243 


Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK routers in 
VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem? 

-- 


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NGL Connection 
307-288-5491 ext 702 

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik Users] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Mike Francis


ASR-1004

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 6/30/2017 1:03 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Which ASRs are you running?


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Mike Francis via Mikrotik-users 
<mikrotik-us...@wispa.org <mailto:mikrotik-us...@wispa.org>> wrote:


I am a bog Mikrotik fan, but rely on cisco for our Core and Edge.
Our latest BGP config for Edge services are a Cisco ASR for
Primary, then we are running a CHR on top of our Vmware platform
for secondary BGP. we have several CHRs passing several gigs of
traffic and they are very solid. We have this deployed in 4
datacenters like this and it is working very well, keeps cost
down, and is very flexible.

Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069 <tel:%28251%29%20517-5069>
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives.
Do good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends
and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be
forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make
you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend
years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People
who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help them
anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt.
Give the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
On 6/30/2017 12:46 PM, David Jones via Mikrotik-users wrote:

Good morning.

I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people.

Let me give you an overview of where we are.
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik
connecting to our core with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is
multiple Mikrotik routers using VRRP (I had a core die from power
supply failure and our network didn't skip a beet while it was
replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge that is a
Cisco ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers.

The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik
Lagged horribly when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave
router that did fine with the BGP but had crap interface support
with Mikrotik not having good drivers for the interfaces.
Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems.

It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver
problems. the Virtual host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik
doesn't have to.

All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset
itself twice in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a
Cisco = 15-20min down time. We are now needing a VRRP solution
for the Edge.

So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and
struggle for a while to get a form of VRRP to work between them?
Or do we get something like this

(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB

<https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB>)
and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use?

We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a
bit to configure and change them. is it worth learning and paying
the 12x the price for less throughput?
Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558

vs Mikrotik
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986
CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243

Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3
MK routers in VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem?

-- 
David Jones

NGL Connection
307-288-5491 ext 702 <tel:%28307%29%20288-5491>


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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik Users] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Mike Lyon

Which ASRs are you running?


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Mike Francis via Mikrotik-users <
mikrotik-us...@wispa.org> wrote:

> I am a bog Mikrotik fan, but rely on cisco for our Core and Edge. Our
> latest BGP config for Edge services are a Cisco ASR for Primary, then we
> are running a CHR on top of our Vmware platform for secondary BGP. we have
> several CHRs passing several gigs of traffic and they are very solid. We
> have this deployed in 4 datacenters like this and it is working very well,
> keeps cost down, and is very flexible.
>
> Thank you,
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
> INC 5000 #2593
> CRN Fast Growth #105
> 251-517-5069 <(251)%20517-5069>
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
> On 6/30/2017 12:46 PM, David Jones via Mikrotik-users wrote:
>
> Good morning.
>
> I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people.
>
> Let me give you an overview of where we are.
> Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to our
> core with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers using
> VRRP (I had a core die from power supply failure and our network didn't
> skip a beet while it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge
> that is a Cisco ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers.
>
> The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged
> horribly when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did fine
> with the BGP but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not having good
> drivers for the interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems.
>
> It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the
> Virtual host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to.
>
> All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset itself
> twice in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco = 15-20min
> down time. We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge.
>
> So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle for
> a while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get something
> like this (https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-
> FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB
> <https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB>
> )
> and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use?
>
> We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to
> configure and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the
> price for less throughput?
> Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680
> Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099
> Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558
>
> vs Mikrotik
> Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986
> CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95
> Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243
>
> Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK
> routers in VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem?
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik Users] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Mike Francis

I am a bog Mikrotik fan, but rely on cisco for our Core and Edge. Our 
latest BGP config for Edge services are a Cisco ASR for Primary, then we 
are running a CHR on top of our Vmware platform for secondary BGP. we 
have several CHRs passing several gigs of traffic and they are very 
solid. We have this deployed in 4 datacenters like this and it is 
working very well, keeps cost down, and is very flexible.


Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
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"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 6/30/2017 12:46 PM, David Jones via Mikrotik-users wrote:

Good morning.

I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people.

Let me give you an overview of where we are.
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to 
our core with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers 
using VRRP (I had a core die from power supply failure and our network 
didn't skip a beet while it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects 
to our edge that is a Cisco ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers.


The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged 
horribly when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did 
fine with the BGP but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not 
having good drivers for the interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS 
caused problems.


It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the 
Virtual host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to.


All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset 
itself twice in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco 
= 15-20min down time. We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge.


So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle 
for a while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get 
something like this 
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB 
)

and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use?

We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to 
configure and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the 
price for less throughput?

Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558

vs Mikrotik
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986
CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243

Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK 
routers in VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem?


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-07 Thread mike . lyon

Is it possible that it can be used for only PTMP / PTP and NOT consumer use 
(i.e., wireless routers)? Thats my major complaint right now. My hilltop APs 
see hundreds of comcast/xfinity APs along with everyones netgear home router.  

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 14:34, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> For 6Ghz it would likely be a coordinated system similar to the SAS system 
> planned for CBRS but without the ESC portion.  The coordination from the SAS 
> would protect existing users and links.  I would expect to see a professional 
> installer requirement similar to CBRS rules.   Part 101 is a small part of 
> the potentially available spectrum between 5900 and 7200.   There are plenty 
> of other users that would need to be protected as well.  Whatever happens 
> here isn't going to be true unlicensed spectrum.
> 
> My question earlier was more general than just the 6Ghz space.   There are 
> other frequency bands can be looked at for PTMP that can make use of a SAS 
> type of system to allow multiple uses of currently underutilized spectrum, 
> but they all have some form of incumbent.  The TV Whitespace rules are 
> largely useless because the NAB tried so hard to protect its turf that the 
> rules make it very difficult to use for PTMP.I don't believe we should be 
> shutting down anything that can get us more PTMP space but should instead be 
> supporting proposals that protect what we have while finding additional ways 
> to reach customers.
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
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> 22690 Pemberville Rd
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> 419-261-5996
> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 6/7/17 11:44, David Jones wrote:
>>> If its to be part 15 how will the 6ghz be protected? don't we now have 
>>> problems in the DFS from people who don't know or don't care?
>> 
>> 
>> I still want to able to coordinate new part 101 6GHz links. That band 
>> should not be removed from the box of tools WISPs have for licensed links.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-07 Thread mike . lyon

If not lightly licensed, keep it the way it is.



> On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:23, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> What are you proposing replace unlicensed spectrum with?  
> 
> CBRS?   I don’t think you are going to like the results.   Straight up 
> licensed auctions?   Do you really have the money to compete with the big 4 
> in that?
> 
> I’m not sure what WISPA is supposed to do for you here.   You don’t like Part 
> 15, you don’t like NN.  
> 
> What exactly is it you want that is obtainable given the value of the 
> spectrum?   Handing it over for exclusive use of fixed wireless, and only for 
> you is a non-starter.
> 
> WISPA is trying to help you but it’s pretty hard when you don’t want 
> unlicensed, lightly licensed, and licensed spectrum sells for billions for 
> tiny slices.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> 
>> On 6/5/17 09:10, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Another "lightly licensed" MAY work. But just another extension of 
>>> part-15 would be a cluster f*ck.
>> 
>> 
>> Lightly licensed NN was a joke and should not be repeated.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-05 Thread Mike Hammett

There are $100 6 GHz radios now. I see them getting into the US space 
regardless. 

https://routerboard.com/RBSXTG-6HPnD 




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- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:24:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 

On 6/5/17 09:10, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: 
> Another "lightly licensed" MAY work. But just another extension of 
> part-15 would be a cluster f*ck. 


Lightly licensed NN was a joke and should not be repeated. 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-05 Thread mike . lyon

Another "lightly licensed" MAY work. But just another extension of part-15 
would be a cluster f*ck.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 09:05, David Jones <d...@nglconnection.com> wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't it be best to have it ruled as some form of intelligent design and 
> not a free for all part 15?
> 
> We are all for more spectrum to USE However, most of us have seen useful 
> spectrum become completely useless by a mass of wifi that was not designed to 
> scale well or play nice with others.
> 
> wouldn't it be in everyone best interest to have some system of coordination 
> so the use of the spectrum can scale?
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:28 AM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And also non-WISPS, such as Comcast/Xfinity and every tom, dick and harry 
>> router manafacturer. It'll end up heavily congested with crap, just like 5 
>> Ghz, and become useless.
>> 
>> We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we did that.
>> 
>> -Mike
>> 
>> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 08:17, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 6/5/17 8:04 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Read it again.   PTP links are protected in 6Ghz, and would continue to 
>> >> be protected.   Not yet determined (and this is a very long process) is 
>> >> how new PTP links would be established.
>> >>
>> >> WISPA’s long standing and continuing policy is to advocate for more 
>> >> unlicensed spectrum.   It has to come from somewhere,
>> >
>> >
>> > What's going to happen here is you will have two groups: WISPs that use
>> > 6GHz PTP that appreciate part 101, and WISPs that don't care about 6GHz
>> > PTP and just want more unlicensed sandbox.
>> >
>> > That's fine that it has to come from somewhere, but WISPA should not
>> > support taking it from places where harm will be made to WISPs, now or
>> > in the future.
>> >
>> > ~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-05 Thread mike . lyon

And also non-WISPS, such as Comcast/Xfinity and every tom, dick and harry 
router manafacturer. It'll end up heavily congested with crap, just like 5 Ghz, 
and become useless.

We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we did that.

-Mike

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 08:17, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/5/17 8:04 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> Read it again.   PTP links are protected in 6Ghz, and would continue to be 
>> protected.   Not yet determined (and this is a very long process) is how new 
>> PTP links would be established.
>> 
>> WISPA’s long standing and continuing policy is to advocate for more 
>> unlicensed spectrum.   It has to come from somewhere,
> 
> 
> What's going to happen here is you will have two groups: WISPs that use 
> 6GHz PTP that appreciate part 101, and WISPs that don't care about 6GHz 
> PTP and just want more unlicensed sandbox.
> 
> That's fine that it has to come from somewhere, but WISPA should not 
> support taking it from places where harm will be made to WISPs, now or 
> in the future.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-05 Thread mike . lyon

You are assuming the competitors do the same... 

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 08:04, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>> 
>> On 6/5/17 4:04 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s curious that you would give up access to potentially >1000Mhz of 
>>> clean mid-band spectrum because you don’t want your competitors using 
>>> it.   Given the current limited amount of spectrum available for PTMP 
>>> use how do you propose to serve the demands of your customers without 
>>> obtaining additional spectrum?
>>> 
>> 
>> Smaller sites closer to your customers.
> 
> 
> How does that work with the existing spectrum when your competitors also do 
> the same?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You said “all licensed PTP links would be at risk”.   I don’t believe 
>>> that is the case here - we are only discussing 6Ghz which is largely 
>>> used (in our industry) for long range legacy PTP links.   It’s certainly 
>>> important where it’s used at Mike Meluskey pointed out, but looking at 
>>> the numbers the band shows pretty light usage.
>> 
>> 
>> If you take away one licensed band it could set a precedent to take 
>> more. I think this proposal is too short sighted to say that nobody uses 
>> it or that it's legacy. It's used. I just talked with a WISP about a 
>> potential 26 mile link and that's territory for considering 6GHz.
>> 
>> I ask the parties that support killing 6GHz with unlicensed use: what 
>> replaces it?
>> 
> 
> 
> Read it again.   PTP links are protected in 6Ghz, and would continue to be 
> protected.   Not yet determined (and this is a very long process) is how new 
> PTP links would be established.
> 
> WISPA’s long standing and continuing policy is to advocate for more 
> unlicensed spectrum.   It has to come from somewhere,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-05 Thread Mike Hammett

There are plenty of paths around here where you can't get any 6 GHz licenses in 
any meaningful capacity. 

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From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:04:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 

The proposals protect Part 101 links using a database system. 

It’s curious that you would give up access to potentially >1000Mhz of clean 
mid-band spectrum because you don’t want your competitors using it. Given the 
current limited amount of spectrum available for PTMP use how do you propose to 
serve the demands of your customers without obtaining additional spectrum? 

You said “all licensed PTP links would be at risk”. I don’t believe that is the 
case here - we are only discussing 6Ghz which is largely used (in our industry) 
for long range legacy PTP links. It’s certainly important where it’s used at 
Mike Meluskey pointed out, but looking at the numbers the band shows pretty 
light usage. 

How much of the 6Ghz spectrum are you currently using for PTP links? 

Mark 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 8:45 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: 

I think the 6Ghz band need to stay for PtP links only. As for band sharing I 
think that the need for reliable wireless back-haul far outweighs any benefit 
of moving the band completely to part 15. 

Use of this band for PtMP applications should not be permitted and all 
installations should require registration and professional installation. As for 
higher power and larger channels: I do think the band could use some updates. 
But not at the expense of the current links. 

We've seen the 5.1Ghz band fill in with noise almost as soon as certifications 
rolled out. I don't want hundreds of "Xfinity wifi" SSID's in 6ghz as well. 

While I don't think our company alone counts as significant opposition, you can 
count us as "significantly opposed". 

Garrett Shankle 
Senior Field Technician 
Virginia Broadband LLC. 
(540)-829-1700 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 

+1000 

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 16:23, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 
> 
>> On 6/2/17 2:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 
>> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
>> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant 
>> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint. 
> 
> 
> I think that if the history of behavior with unlicensed is any 
> indication, then all licensed PTP links will be at risk of seeing 
> substantial interference by idiots and would be at high risk of being 
> forced offline. 
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[WISPA] Kinda OT: fiber suppliers

2017-06-04 Thread mike . lyon

For those of you that are doing (and terminating your own) fiber, where are you 
buying your bulk (1000ft+) single mode fiber from?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-04 Thread mike . lyon

+1000

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 16:23, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/2/17 2:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
>> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant 
>> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.
> 
> 
> I think that if the history of behavior with unlicensed is any 
> indication, then all licensed PTP links will be at risk of seeing 
> substantial interference by idiots and would be at high risk of being 
> forced offline.
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-02 Thread Mike Meluskey

If the sensing database works then I’d be ok with it.
We have five 6Ghz paths, 40 miles between islands, so it is important to us 
that those paths are protected.
But we also need more unlicensed spectrum.

Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI

> On Jun 2, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> 
> WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore 
> unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum.The idea is to 
> increase the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII rules, 
> along with additional mitigations currently under study (e.g., sensing, 
> database) to protect incumbents.  As there are no federal users (other than 
> PTP) this would not require the ESC system of CBRS and is potentially 
> considerably simpler to implement.
>  
> The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high 
> power/capacity/range band.   The downside is some potential loss of 
> geographic exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in 
> exchange for greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms over 
> time.
> 
> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant 
> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.
> 
> Mark
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

2017-06-02 Thread Mike Lyon

6 Ghz PTP is HEAVILY used out here in the SF Bay Area. If I have to see see
more Comcast/Xfinity crap show up in newly unlicensed 6 Ghz, I think I
would shit myself.

-Mike


On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore
> unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum.The idea is to
> increase the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII
> rules, along with additional mitigations currently under study (e.g.,
> sensing, database) to protect incumbents.  As there are no federal users
> (other than PTP) this would not require the ESC system of CBRS and is
> potentially considerably simpler to implement.
>
> The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high
> power/capacity/range band.   The downside is some potential loss of
> geographic exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in
> exchange for greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms
> over time.
>
> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the
> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant
> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller

2017-05-13 Thread Mike Francis

It is not Cisco or Sonicwall! The list is long. For us we have always 
been a Cisco & Mikrotik shop, but felt we were messing a piece of the 
security and firewall business. Mikoritk has a great firewall, but it is 
not active o what you would consider an Enterprise firewall. Cisco has a 
great firewall, but it is expensive and complex.


We got involved with Fortinet through a client who needed support for 
several hundred units. Once we started dealing with Fortinet we quickly 
realized how powerful what they have built really is. The Unified Threat 
Management is very advanced and very scalable. There are several pieces 
that make it a  true Enterprise solution like the Forti-manger, the 
Forti-analyzer etc. On top of that the Next Gen, IPS, VPN forwarding and 
processing is very impressive, and so are the management, the Virtual 
Domain, the HA config, the Clustering technology and so on. We also do a 
lot of virtual routing and their Fortigate-VM is very nice too. There is 
a reason these guys are growing so fast and are on the top of every 
security vendor list out there.


Another thing is that they really vet their partners. One thing that I 
have noticed in the security industry is that if a IT guys says he/she 
is using a sonicwall, that is a potential red flag. +80% of the time 
they have no idea what they are doing. When someone says they are a 
Fortinet Partner, they have been through the proper training, been 
vetted and it is much more likely you are talking to someone who knows 
what they are doing.


Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 5/12/2017 6:20 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

What's some of the selling points with Fortigate?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On May 12, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net 
<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:


We are a Forigate partner and do a lot of Fortigate business. I will 
send you a quote.


Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and 
true enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you 
vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years 
building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really 
want help may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the 
world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your 
best anyway." By: Mother Teresa

On 5/12/2017 3:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Need a quote for 30 FortiWifi-30E units

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Re: [WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller

2017-05-12 Thread Mike Francis

We are a Forigate partner and do a lot of Fortigate business. I will 
send you a quote.


Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them 
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do 
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true 
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten 
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. 
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be 
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may 
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best 
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By: 
Mother Teresa

On 5/12/2017 3:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Need a quote for 30 FortiWifi-30E units

*//*

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Re: [WISPA] Query to the group

2017-05-11 Thread Mike Hammett

"FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? 

;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chris Stradtman" <cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Query to the group 


Hi Everyone, 




I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. 


I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One 
of the possible things this would involve would 
be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be 
controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into 
any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the 
beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through 
vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe 
colocated with the WISP's gear. 


I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. 


Thanks in advance, 


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Re: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question

2017-05-05 Thread Mike Hammett

WISPA reported on this a while back. It was in response to some airplane 
crashes on towers that weren't required to be lit. 




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From: "David Williamson" <dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:05:07 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question 



Can someone comment on whether this new ruling is going to pass or not: 

New FAA Marking Requirements May Impact Rural Towers Under 200 Feet 

A recently passed law, the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016 
(Act), will affect certain towers that are between fifty (50) and two hundred 
(200) feet in height by requiring that many of these towers in rural areas be 
marked and lit. The law, passed to protect agricultural aviators (crop 
dusters), will make rural towers previously not subject to Federal Aviation 
Administration (FAA) requirements more visible with painted markings and other 
visibility attachments. The Act also requires these towers to be documented in 
an FAA database. The FAA must issue regulations by July 15, 2017. As compliance 
with these rules may prove costly to wireless carriers, particularly where they 
are unnecessary, we are working with the Competitive Carriers Association (CCA) 
to create an exemption for communication towers. Your feedback on specific 
towers in your service areas is requested. 

Summary of the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act 

The term "covered tower" is defined in Section 2110(d) of the Act as a 
structure that: is self-standing or supported by guy wires; is 10 feet or less 
in diameter; is between 50 - 200 feet AGL; has accessory facilities on which 
equipment is mounted; and is located outside an incorporated city or town, or 
on undeveloped or agricultural land. The term does not include a structure that 
is: adjacent to a house, barn, electric utility station, or other building; 
within the curtilage of a farmstead; a utility transmission pole; a wind 
turbine with a rotor blade radius over 6 feet; or a street lighted maintained 
by a Federal, State, local or tribal entity. 

The Act requires that all covered towers constructed on or after the date on 
which the regulations take effect must be marked in a manner consistent with 
guidance under the FAA Advisory Circular issued on December 4, 2015 (AC 
70/7460-1L) or other guidance as determined by the Administrator. Existing 
covered towers, constructed before the regulations take effect, will have an 
additional year to comply with the new regulations. 

AC 70/7460-IL recommends that towers under 200 feet be painted with alternate 
bands of aviation orange and white paint. The band width should be equivalent 
to 1/7 of the tower height and the paint must be reapplied if it begins to 
fade. The Advisory Circular also recommends that high-visibility sleeves and 
aviation orange spherical market balls be installed on any outer guy wires. 

The new law also creates an FAA database of all towers covered under this 
provision. The database will contain location and height information of each 
Covered Tower. The FAA administrator will ensure that any proprietary 
information in the database is protected from disclosure in accordance with the 
law. 

Exemption Proposal and Input Request 

As mentioned above, we are working with CCA to create an exemption or carve out 
for communication towers. Based on meetings with Senate Commerce Committee 
staff, CCA is working to include in the exemption any tower possessing clear, 
visual cues such as bases, attachments, antennas, or any equipment critical to 
service. Other suggestions for exemption include temporary towers or CoWs, 
towers that comply with local zoning ordinances and/or National Historic 
Preservation Act, towers with an antenna array over five feet (5') in diameter, 
guy wired towers, and towers with antennas that have reflective material. With 
regard to the FAA database, an alternative proposal is to make a database of 
communication towers available to aviators for reference and not require those 
tower owners to mark their towers. 


Regards, 

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Re: [WISPA] Harness

2017-04-20 Thread mike . lyon

Eagle River or Dbi Sala

Check out www.gmesupply.com

Let him pick one out...

-Mike

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 09:14, Kevin Melson <e...@e1w.com> wrote:
> 
> My tower climber is asking for a new climbing harness. All we've ever had is 
> what came with the company when we bought it in 2010. What brands do you 
> recommend?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Kevin Melson
> Eagle One Wireless\PC Station
> 1801 S Harper Rd
> Suite 4A
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> 662-287-1722
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[WISPA] Oklahoma city and Tulsa

2017-04-13 Thread Mike Goicoechea

We need help with a small ip network install in Oklahoma city and Tulsa.
Please let me know if you know anyone that can help in that area.

Thanks, 

Mike Goicoechea | Chief Operating Officer |

Cielo Systems International | 806.977.9001 ext 101| m...@cielosystems.net

Skype Mike. Goik| www.cielosystems.net <http://www.cielosystems.net/> |

 


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Re: [WISPA] Cat6 shieded with Dry Tape

2017-03-30 Thread mike . lyon

Check out Primus cable. I switched from Shireen to them because of that exact 
issue.

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 09:51, Scott Piehn  wrote:
> 
> Anyone using Cat 6 Outdoor cable, shielded with a dry gel tape.  If so, who 
> makes it
>  
> We have been using the shireen Cat6 shielded, like the cable, but not the 
> water in the cable issue
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett

Client on east AP interfering with west AP. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:45:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison 


But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote: 
> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to 
> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation? 
> 


The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since 
they will all TX at the same time. 

~Seth 


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[WISPA] WISPAmerica 2017 Interviews

2017-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett

We think this is all of our 2017 interviews. If we interviewed you and you're 
not in this playlist, let us know. Hopefully it was just missed and not lost. 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56ppmTc2o705Up2oy5AGDISo2J0Ap1dN 




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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

2017-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett

Well it was stupid on their part. 

They doubled the number of antennas for distributors to stock, while reducing 
functionality at a higher price. None of that makes any sense. Well, other than 
more revenue for them. 




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From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:38:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


picky picky picky. 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




No, I don't mean that. 

I mean a connectorized twist-port. That's a connectorized horn vs. a horn and a 
separate connectorized twist-port. That also means that you can't used 
connectorized radios with their other twist-port antennas. Also, it costs more 
this way. 

Connectorized 30* horn MSRP $220 
Twist-port 30* horn MSRP $120 
Most expensive twist port MSRP $44.90 

So $220 vs $164.90 for the convenience of no twist-port adapter. 

No easy swaps to different gains. 

No easy radio swaps. 



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From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:21:41 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


you mean like this? 
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
 ? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




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From: "Chadwick Wachs" < c...@auwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones < d...@nglconnection.com >, wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

2017-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett

No, I don't mean that. 

I mean a connectorized twist-port. That's a connectorized horn vs. a horn and a 
separate connectorized twist-port. That also means that you can't used 
connectorized radios with their other twist-port antennas. Also, it costs more 
this way. 

Connectorized 30* horn MSRP $220 
Twist-port 30* horn MSRP $120 
Most expensive twist port MSRP $44.90 

So $220 vs $164.90 for the convenience of no twist-port adapter. 

No easy swaps to different gains. 

No easy radio swaps. 



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- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:21:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


you mean like this? 
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
 ? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 


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From: "Chadwick Wachs" < c...@auwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones < d...@nglconnection.com >, wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

2017-03-06 Thread Mike Hammett

It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chadwick Wachs" <c...@auwireless.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones <d...@nglconnection.com>, wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






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Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

2017-03-06 Thread Mike Meluskey

The “smart” beam forming 90 degree antenna is very impressive for improving 
upload speeds.
Our test sector, upgraded from 90 degree ePMP1000, went from 2-3Mbps upload 
speeds to 20-30Mbps.
Download has improved as well.

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:
> 
> Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
> sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
> antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 
> AP uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we 
> keep the 120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would 
> get changed out to a 60 as well.
> 
> On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman , 
> wrote:
>> If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink 
>> improvements of the epmp 2000.  It'd be a big mistake to not.
>> 
>> I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I 
>> don't think this mistake can be made =)
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs > > wrote:
>> 2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and 
>> the 2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna 
>> width as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a 
>> noisy environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped 
>> with the noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much.
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho > >, wrote:
>>> I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
>>> environments. 
>>> What have your experiences been?
>>> 
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>>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>>> POB 875
>>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>>> 903-455-5036 
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Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches

2017-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett

If anyone has used an EdgeCore switch, it's largely (if not completely) the 
same guts. They're both part of Acton (or however you spell it). 




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From: "Fred Goldstein" <f...@interisle.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 11:34:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches 


On 3/2/2017 11:27 AM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: 




IgniteNet has some 24-port sfp switches. Havent tried them, don’t know how good 
they are. 


That's at the top of my list right now. It does everything I want and it's dirt 
cheap. But I don't know if anybody has actually tried them, so until we start 
hearing reports, it's literally very promising. Probably worth trying, if I get 
a chance. At that price ($500 for 24 ports) you can't go wrong. 







Bryce D 
NETAGO 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:24 AM 
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches 


There is a 10 SFP mikrotik switch... 



On Mar 2, 2017 11:22 AM, "Fred Goldstein" < f...@interisle.net > wrote: 




On 3/2/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: 



CRS series. As well. Depending on how dense you want. 229 bucks gets you a pair 
of 10 gig ports and 24 copper. ? 




I'm not looking for copper, except maybe a couple ports for the local 
connection; I'm looking for lots of SFPs, something that could be useful for a 
rural FTTP build, dropped into a pedestal somewhere in the middle of noplace, 
to feed a cluster of nearby buildings. MikroTik isn't in that space yet; CRS 
seems to be lots of copper. 




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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

2017-02-23 Thread Mike Hammett

Hah, I meant FPL. 




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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:23:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

Department of redundancy department? 

On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown 
> has done. 
> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> 
> 
> Just to add to that 
> 
> a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many 
> cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, 
> fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which 
> are light poles and micropops). 
> 
> b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 
> 
> c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 
> 
> d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every 
> building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 
> 
> e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber 
> based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL 
> neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber.. 
> 
> f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 
> 
> Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see 
> the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the 
> choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe 
> especially in the middle mile. 
> 
> I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of 
> service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of 
> bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing 
> customer expectations / perceptions around 100meg. 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
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> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
>> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
>> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
>> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last 
> mile 
>> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing 
> spectrum 
>> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
>> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
>> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
>> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 
> meg per 
>> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small 
> cell type 
>> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
>> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
>> class circuits. 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You, 
>> Brian Webster 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
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Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out

2017-02-15 Thread Mike Hammett

That did work, thanks. 




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From: "Jeff Evans" <jev...@pennwisp.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:07:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 


I used the one on the Wispa / wispamerica page with success Mike. 


On 2/15/2017 7:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Did a URL become available? 




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From: "Trina Coffey" <tr...@wispa.org> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> , memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" <w...@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:15:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 



You can begin calling in again. I should have a link for those of you that 
prefer that in a couple hours, but as the last set sold in 2 hours I am not 
sure I would wait. 

Crowne Plaza 
901-525-1800 



Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
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Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Trina Coffey 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:23 PM 
To: memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' <w...@wispa.org> ; 'WISPA General List' 
<wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 
Importance: High 

Well you guys are on your normal track to drive me cray cray…..this block is 
sold out!!! J 

Give me an hour or 2 and I will get some more. 


Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:45 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List < w...@wispa.org >; Trina Coffey, Director of 
Operations < tcof...@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 




thought i'd actually reply using the right subject line 




i thought about getting a small house via homeaway or vrbo as i'm planning to 
bring six 

but i went ahead and booked in the new hotel. 

thanks Trina! 



Now to figure out if all six are actually coming or not 











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From: Josh Luthman 

To: WISPA General List 

Cc: Principal WISPA Member List ; Trina Coffey,Director of Operations 

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:26 AM 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 



26/night for valet 



But there is a church parking lot across the street 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Paul McNary < pmcn...@cameron.net > wrote: 



Trina does the Sheraton have free parking? 
Thanks 
Paul McNary 
pmcn...@cameron.net 




On 2/13/2017 3:44 PM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations via WISP wrote: 





The room block is currently full. The Sheraton is also sold out on Tuesday 
night, March 14 th . 

I am currently trying to secure an additional block at another hotel close by. 
If you have not booked your room yet please be patient, I should have something 
later today or tomorrow. 

Please check back to the website for updates. 
http://www.wispa.org/events/WISPAmerica/addl_info/hotel 

Respectfully, 

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Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out

2017-02-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Did a URL become available? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Trina Coffey" <tr...@wispa.org> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>, memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List" <w...@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:15:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 



You can begin calling in again. I should have a link for those of you that 
prefer that in a couple hours, but as the last set sold in 2 hours I am not 
sure I would wait. 

Crowne Plaza 
901-525-1800 



Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
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WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Trina Coffey 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:23 PM 
To: memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' <w...@wispa.org>; 'WISPA General List' 
<wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 
Importance: High 

Well you guys are on your normal track to drive me cray cray…..this block is 
sold out!!! J 

Give me an hour or 2 and I will get some more. 


Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:45 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List < w...@wispa.org >; Trina Coffey, Director of 
Operations < tcof...@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 




thought i'd actually reply using the right subject line 




i thought about getting a small house via homeaway or vrbo as i'm planning to 
bring six 

but i went ahead and booked in the new hotel. 

thanks Trina! 



Now to figure out if all six are actually coming or not 











- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman 

To: WISPA General List 

Cc: Principal WISPA Member List ; Trina Coffey,Director of Operations 

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:26 AM 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 



26/night for valet 



But there is a church parking lot across the street 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Paul McNary < pmcn...@cameron.net > wrote: 



Trina does the Sheraton have free parking? 
Thanks 
Paul McNary 
pmcn...@cameron.net 




On 2/13/2017 3:44 PM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations via WISP wrote: 





The room block is currently full. The Sheraton is also sold out on Tuesday 
night, March 14 th . 

I am currently trying to secure an additional block at another hotel close by. 
If you have not booked your room yet please be patient, I should have something 
later today or tomorrow. 

Please check back to the website for updates. 
http://www.wispa.org/events/WISPAmerica/addl_info/hotel 

Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
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Re: [WISPA] source for lightweight NPRM

2017-02-10 Thread Mike Hammett

I get mine from Baltic. 

I'd imagine your best option is a local shop if you need 200 of them. 




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From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:54:43 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] source for lightweight NPRM 


We are needing 200 lightweight NPRM for cambium epmp devices, whos a good 
source ? 



Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett

Transtelco operates in the US and Mexico. 




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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:29:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 



Manuel, 


For what part of the world are you seeking such product /solution for ? 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

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From: "Manuel Marín" <m...@transtelco.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:47:09 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 






Dear Wispa community 

We are looking for 10Ghz MP solution and I was wondering if someone can 
recommend a vendor for a point to multipoint solution in the 10Ghz band 

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Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution

2017-02-08 Thread Mike Hammett

The only 10 GHz gear I know if is UBNT's and it isn't available in the US. I 
know TransTelco covers other areas, though. 




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From: "Manuel Marín" <m...@transtelco.net> 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:47:09 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 


Dear Wispa community 


We are looking for 10Ghz MP solution and I was wondering if someone can 
recommend a vendor for a point to multipoint solution in the 10Ghz band 


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-02 Thread Mike Francis

One thing I see a lot are people who focus so much on being a WISP that
they forget it is also a real business. I have no idea about your
business experience, but having a good foundation and some systems in
place to start with will go a long way. There are a lot of WISPS/ISPs
who are perfectly happy being a one man or two man operation, but then
there are others who can not seem to figure out why they can't ever get
over that hump. The secret is to understand business. Here is a great
book written by a technology guy for technology businesses. I've given
it to all my employees, shareholders and several clients.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Organizational_Physics_The_Science_of_Gr.html?id=trfNBAAAQBAJ=frontcover=kp_read_button=en#v=onepage=false

Next is understanding the business and it's potential. Setting some
goals to build a plan on will go a long way. What clients do you want to
service and what do you want to provide to them? Those two questions
will define a lot about what your staff, network, capabilities and cash
requirements will look like. There is no better place to talk, discuss
and begin to understand all of this than a WISPA event. I wish someone
had introduced me to WISPA much earlier in this business. Any money you
spend on WISPA events will gain you 100x in knowledge and contacts in
the industry.

http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAmerica

If I had to give you one more piece of advice it would be to start
taking local bankers to lunch now. You may not need or want them today,
but eventually you will need them!

Good luck to you and call me if you ever want to talk.

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
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"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them
anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable.
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By:
Mother Teresa

On 2/2/2017 4:42 PM, Mark Limehouse wrote:
I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a solid
business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am taking my
time I want to do this right and address all potential pitfalls or
"gotchas" that may be known from a technology and provider standpoint.
Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their suggestions or direct me
to where I can obtain this kind of detail?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

2017-01-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown has 
done. 




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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
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Just to add to that 

a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many cities 
they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, fiber feed 
(essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which are light poles and 
micropops). 

b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 

c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 

d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every building 
that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 

e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber based 
service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL neighborhoods to 
Gigabit fiber.. 

f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 

Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see the 
competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the choke hold on 
being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe especially in the middle 
mile. 

I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of service 
offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of bandwidth i.e. 
200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing customer expectations / 
perceptions around 100meg. 

Regards 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

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> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile 
> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum 
> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per 
> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type 
> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
> class circuits. 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
> 
> 
> Thank You, 
> Brian Webster 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM 
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: 
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment. 
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical. They have 
>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
>> connectivity being wireless to the home. Details on bands used have 
>> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have 
>> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan. 
>> Interesting times. 
> 
> That's right. FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is 
> mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston 
> that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
> But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and 
> simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a 
> new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of 
> their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just 
> building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't 
> made it clear to the locals. 
> 
> While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying 
> LTE, because 5 comes after 4". 
> 
> ATT has this "IP

Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

I am considering an S16 for MDU applications. A couple strands of SFP+ going 
back to central switching\routing and some 12 gauge copper for power. 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:16:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 

So far so good! The 16 port is just a switch, smaller ones are routers. The 16 
is what we are using. powers 4 48vdc and 12-16 24vdc. Spring storm season will 
tell. Considering the number of fried Netonics and Digital Loggers over the 
years, with not just surge damage, but issues in software... this caused the 
switch back about 6 months ago. Using Traco power supply systems with battery 
backups and 110AC and DC surging, plus UPS 110. 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 

Has the edgepoint been rock solid for you? Thats my main concern with that 
approach. This tower is a difficult climb (its actually a light pole) so 
avoiding trips up top is ideal. 

On Jan 18, 2017 3:50 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 

UBNT EdgePoint 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 

Because no SFP bro 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jan 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 

We use UBNT Carrier. We have attached it to 1/8 cable for support. You do have 
to be careful not to tear the outer shield, as otherwise you will have water go 
into the cabinet. 

We now do not use cat5 on commercial towers, and have opted to a power cable 
with fiber. Why run 10-12 strands of cat5 when one strand of fiber does the 
job, with ESD? 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 

We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 

Thanks 
Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 

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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

Other than reckless tower workers. 




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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:57:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 



Most of the good quality outdoor Ethernet cables have a 'strength tape' in the 
middle... 

UBNT Carrier has a nice piece of plastic in the middle... 

Shireen cable has a nice fiber tape .. 

etc etc. 



If you can tie these cables at the top securely, then there should be no issue 
is letting it dangle in the center of the monopole. 



Regards. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
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From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:39:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 






Tips on what connectors to use? That looks like a very thick cable. Also how to 
hang it at the top? 



On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



bbdge or bbdg6 




On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 





We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 

Thanks 
Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 

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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

That's adding unnecessary electronics in the mix. We really need SFP ports 
directly on the radios. 




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From: "Clay Stewart" <cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:50:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 


UBNT EdgePoint 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Because no SFP bro 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Jan 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 



We use UBNT Carrier. We have attached it to 1/8 cable for support. You do have 
to be careful not to tear the outer shield, as otherwise you will have water go 
into the cabinet. 


We now do not use cat5 on commercial towers, and have opted to a power cable 
with fiber. Why run 10-12 strands of cat5 when one strand of fiber does the 
job, with ESD? 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 



We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 


Thanks 
Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 


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