Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Travis, What antennas are you using at each end to get a 29 mile link at 5.8? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance We have 29 mile ptmp links that will deliver 6Mbps x 3Mbps without a problem. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 17dB 120* sector? That's way too high of a gain. The vertical on that can't be much more than what, 4 or 5*? When the noise is low I can pull 2+ megs at 18 miles. Easy. With LESS than legal power on each end. 2.4 gig. I don't know at 5.8. My longest is probably an lavation 90* sector. I've not measured it, but it's near 12 or 15 miles, ptmp. Customer pulled nearly 3 megs by 2 megs. Very close to the theoretical max for the hardware used. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
We have 29 mile ptmp links that will deliver 6Mbps x 3Mbps without a problem. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 17dB 120* sector? That's way too high of a gain. The vertical on that can't be much more than what, 4 or 5*? When the noise is low I can pull 2+ megs at 18 miles. Easy. With LESS than legal power on each end. 2.4 gig. I don't know at 5.8. My longest is probably an lavation 90* sector. I've not measured it, but it's near 12 or 15 miles, ptmp. Customer pulled nearly 3 megs by 2 megs. Very close to the theoretical max for the hardware used. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" st...@pcswin.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their "due diligence" phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this "free money" to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years d
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
But NOT with Canopy, right? At 10:25 AM 7/31/2009, you wrote: We have 29 mile ptmp links that will deliver 6Mbps x 3Mbps without a problem. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Nice! Gotta love the new gear and nice clean air :-). I remember when I was s happy to just get 6 miles in a snow storm! marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance We have 29 mile ptmp links that will deliver 6Mbps x 3Mbps without a problem. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 17dB 120* sector? That's way too high of a gain. The vertical on that can't be much more than what, 4 or 5*? When the noise is low I can pull 2+ megs at 18 miles. Easy. With LESS than legal power on each end. 2.4 gig. I don't know at 5.8. My longest is probably an lavation 90* sector. I've not measured it, but it's near 12 or 15 miles, ptmp. Customer pulled nearly 3 megs by 2 megs. Very close to the theoretical max for the hardware used. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Wouldn't use XR2 for 5GHz shots as they are 2GHz only ;) Also, I would guess you'll be turning down the power to keep it legal? -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] Sent: 29 July 2009 18:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Something Like a MT411a XR2 and a Arc 23 DB Panel Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Yes, Steve fat fingered the number. And Yes, he does a good job of keeping his links legal. Paul Hendry wrote: Wouldn't use XR2 for 5GHz shots as they are 2GHz only ;) Also, I would guess you'll be turning down the power to keep it legal? -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] Sent: 29 July 2009 18:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Something Like a MT411a XR2 and a Arc 23 DB Panel Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your
[WISPA] 5.8 Distance
I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The majority of the attendees once we got into the workshops and started talking among each other was that they don't want anything to do with this money at all either once they found out all the hidden strings attached to it. They are encouraging few larger projects than many smaller ones. I asked them what about the area that already has 2-3 fixed wireless ISP's and if they give the money to a very large outfit that comes into the area
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The majority of the attendees once we got into the workshops and started talking among each other was that they don't want anything to do with this money at all either once they found out all the hidden strings attached to it. They are encouraging few larger
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Have you checked to make sure the competitor isn't also using 5.8 at that same location? If it was my luck, I'd go through the motions only to find out they were also pointing a 5ghz at me as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The majority of the attendees once we got
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Would be just as cheap to move swap polarities. We've found the H-Pol is MUCH more reliable here for us. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The majority of the attendees once we got into the workshops and started talking among each other was that they don't want anything to do
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Something Like a MT411a XR2 and a Arc 23 DB Panel Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Bare AP (30dB EIRP) with 26 Subs 15 subs @ 10+ miles with 27RD -76dB typ 1 sub @ 13 with 27RD - 76dB Noise floor is around -82 Our LOS situation is about as good as it gets - subs at or near sea level, tower at 3450' __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Sorry, that's with Canopy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Bare AP (30dB EIRP) with 26 Subs 15 subs @ 10+ miles with 27RD -76dB typ 1 sub @ 13 with 27RD - 76dB Noise floor is around -82 Our LOS situation is about as good as it gets - subs at or near sea level, tower at 3450' __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think
