Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
Because all of the 900mhz home phones eat up all 900mhz crystal sales! roflmao marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also the higher power they need to pump out (we add an external heat sink because they get too hot for our comfort), and the exotic filtering necessary to get them to work correctly on the very noisy 900Mhz band. The SR9 and XR9 are not compatible becuase ubnt had to change modulation schema to overcome the noise and adjacent-channel interference to which the the SR9's are very susceptible. Tom S. Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's 900. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I agree with your sentiment that 900 stuff is too expensive. But I was pleasantly surprised. while looking around DoubleRadius last weekend, to see Tranzeo TR-SL9 client radios for $234. (8dB or N connector, take your pick). I missed any announcement of them. One could hope that a multipack of those might get under $200 each, later this year? -John PS - not to be a Tranzeo shill, but they are also running a special on the expensive version of 900 AP this month. $300 gets you ssh access into the AP, woo hoo! Has anyone tried these SlimLine or EL radios? On Jun 5, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I emailed Ubiquity about that very subject, here was their response: Hello, Not at this time as there are size limitations do to the size of 900Mhz antennas. Thanks, _ Michael Ford Ubiquiti Support Team -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2156 - Release Date: 06/05/09 06:24:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I'd offer technical reason not to buy 900 system based primarily on price. The build-your-own gear using XR9 or SR9 type cards or wifi systems converted to do 900 are inferior to popular proprietary 900 systems in many cases where interference exists. I have used Alvarion BA-II 900, Trango 900, MT+SR9, MT+XR9, and Alvarion VL900. We have neighboring competitors using Canopy 900 and Vecima/Waverider 900. There are also water utilities using 900 in some nearby cities. The Alvarion gear (both types) has lots of little things you can tweek to compensate for various things that cause performance trouble. They are really well thought out and have a bit of a learning curve to get the best performance out of them. The trango is much simpler, and less sensitive. It works full speed all the time unless the signal gets too low or interference causes it to lose packets. It's fairly robust. The SR9 system was fairly finicky and provided intermittent results in the vicinity of our BA-II 900 system, even with good frequency and distance separation. We dumped it. The XR9 based system seems capable of good speed in good conditions, but was very finicky and unreliable in the presence of Alvarion VL900 gear also in different frequncies and physical separation. We've still got it, but aren't using it. The SR9/XR9 MT based systems do not have the controls and tweeks available on the Alvarion systems in terms of noise immunity, atpc, modulation activity, etc.. Canopy is said to work well, but it's capacity has been lacking, trango is no longer affordable new on a per SU basis. BA-II 900 is reliable and cheap but doesn't have enough capacity for a new deployment. Waveride didn't have the right remote management when we looked into that. Alvarion VL is about the same cost as their other VL products, not UBNT/MT cheap, but less expensive than some of their proprietary competitors. On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:16:56PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I'm a little under that, not by any great amount. Mine's star-os, ubiqiti radios, and small yagi.We also have labor on top of our cash price, but last I checked, we were about 265 for 900 cpe. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? This is a good question, as I have not had to worry about 900 MHz until really recently when I started worrying about integrating with Shotspotter. I know little about the characteristics of the 900 MHz band, but perhaps it's an issue of demand? Based on my experience, this band is used mostly in the public safety sector, so maybe they charge just because they can sorta thing. Anyone else have anything to add here? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
