Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I agree. It costs $100 for each smartphone people have yet they want to download 50-600gb for $30. Not gonna happen From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I am either firing or increasing rates. I can't sit there and have customers doing 600 gigs for less then my cell bill... On May 4, 2011 6:58 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Wow. After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, concerned. When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his behavior and said that: 1. he was canceling his Netflix account 2. he is going back to DVDs for movies 3. he LOVES our service He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs UBB, because his usage was SO FAR above the others. Like 250GB/mo. We told him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe... So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!! We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on Friday. 3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!! The others are more just concerned about their usage. When they called, we were armed with all the information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate price increase in July and don't worry about the rest. So far, so good... On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
My user does 600 gigs a month. I wonder what he says when our UBB comes in to play. I am hoping I am fortunate as you, Mark =) I am very glad to see things went very smoothly for you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Wow. After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, concerned. When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his behavior and said that: 1. he was canceling his Netflix account 2. he is going back to DVDs for movies 3. he LOVES our service He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs UBB, because his usage was SO FAR above the others. Like 250GB/mo. We told him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe... So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!! We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on Friday. 3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!! The others are more just concerned about their usage. When they called, we were armed with all the information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate price increase in July and don't worry about the rest. So far, so good... On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Dude... The thing is... After a LOT of emotion being pissed at the abusers... I made a decision to do this and craft it in such a way that I am VERY unemotional when it comes to telling our staff how to handle customers. Even though the customer may be emotional at first, if you don't play ball with that emotion and stand firm, you will feel better about it. You may lose some customers...that is the way of things...but on the whole things will be better. On 5/4/2011 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My user does 600 gigs a month. I wonder what he says when our UBB comes in to play. I am hoping I am fortunate as you, Mark =) I am very glad to see things went very smoothly for you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: Wow. After receiving our letter, our HEAVIEST user called in, concerned. When we described the situation, he TOTALLY changed his behavior and said that: 1. he was canceling his Netflix account 2. he is going back to DVDs for movies 3. he LOVES our service He was the one that really pushed us over the edge to go to FAPs UBB, because his usage was SO FAR above the others. Like 250GB/mo. We told him that he's the one that started us on this path hehehe... So there's something for you... We were worried about HIM the MOST!!! We have received about 10 phone calls from our letter that went out on Friday. 3 of those we switched to higher packages and they're happy, one went HELL YEAH MORE SPEED!!! The others are more just concerned about their usage. When they called, we were armed with all the information they needed on months worth of their usage, mostly telling them they have nothing to worry about, just begin paying the moderate price increase in July and don't worry about the rest. So far, so good... On 5/3/2011 2:36 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I am either firing or increasing rates. I can't sit there and have customers doing 600 gigs for less then my cell bill... On May 4, 2011 6:58 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I had someone just yesterday after learning they were burning through their 20gig limit in 10 days, think about giving up their cable bill of $30 and just pay me that money to watch shows. Until I told him that an HD movie would be anywhere from 1.5-2gigs. Although I will have to think about this more, because you are basically now a premium 'real' ON-Demand video service. You definitely have to be running some sort of polling AP with plenty of bandwidth and have to big infrastructure emergency plans. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:21:57 -0400 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
There has always been talk about the internet using a utility billing model, in which there is a minimum usage and then charged for anything over the minimum. Such as I pay for water, I get 3000 gallons for one price, anything over is charged by gallon. Electricity, Natural Gas and water all do this and now you see electric utilities giving you feedback to what you are using, smart metering. I suspect gas and water will follow suit, but being in the technical industry, there is no reason now that you can't be giving the client that information as well. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 15:54:54 -0700 To follow through some thinking here... If that device was Billing-Server-Package-Aware then you could offer a higher level of service for HD customers that allowed the Netflix service to sense a higher-bandwidth connection and it may be more likely to stream in HD than SD. I say offer...the flip side of offer is charge for, at a higher rate, of course. There are always those who gotta have it... On 5/2/2011 3:50 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just any single ongoing TCP transaction, but in practice it only affected audio and video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches. I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
As far as this bandwidth limiting stuff, I would suggest you guys look in to Butch Evans' QOS script for MT. Maybe ImageStream, too (I know there was a port in progress). It does this and as far as I know has worked flawlessly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? This would allow for your average utube streaming of a small video, but kill anything larger like netflix, hulu, etc. IP Tables and a dynamic script should be able to do this. Marco On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Matt, Where did you come up with dividing the cost per megabit by 120? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: What is cost per megabit from your upstream? Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost per gigabit at the NOC. If your paying $20 per megabit you would be at 0.17$ per GByte. Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible. I am considering: Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site. Divided by 24 months. Add any rental. Divided by your total max available bandwidth. Divided by 2. Gives cost Mbps. A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM. Total max available bandwidth would be 60Mbps. Guessing prices. Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps. Price per GByte is 0.18$ I think that's too low but I did not figure/guess any BH gear cost. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Matt, Where did you come up with dividing the cost per megabit by 120? 1Mbps can upload and download 300Gbyte in a month each way. You must figure in your peak and off peak. In the end 120 works out pretty well. Doing the math on X number of users on an X sized circuit that was due to be upgraded the math came out right as well. Total user GByte consumption was roughly 120GByte per megabit used. This is with user upload and download added together. As more users push there usage towards prime time even more 120 may need to be lowered a bit. Too verify this add up all the bandwidth usage of all your users on a given circuit for month. Upload and download. Look at the graph of the circuit and divide the total GByte used in month by the peak Mbps for that month. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
So you're saying 120 because, based on your network: 1 mbit fiber = 120 gigabytes bandwidth So to parallel 50mbit fiber = 6000 gigabytes bandwidth $10/mbit / 6000 gigs transported = 8.3c per gig Is that right? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, Where did you come up with dividing the cost per megabit by 120? 1Mbps can upload and download 300Gbyte in a month each way. You must figure in your peak and off peak. In the end 120 works out pretty well. Doing the math on X number of users on an X sized circuit that was due to be upgraded the math came out right as well. Total user GByte consumption was roughly 120GByte per megabit used. This is with user upload and download added together. As more users push there usage towards prime time even more 120 may need to be lowered a bit. Too verify this add up all the bandwidth usage of all your users on a given circuit for month. Upload and download. Look at the graph of the circuit and divide the total GByte used in month by the peak Mbps for that month. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Data is stored in the comment of the queue. Requires 4.something On May 3, 2011 2:01 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
So you're saying 120 because, based on your network: 1 mbit fiber = 120 gigabytes bandwidth It can actually it can do 150G up and 150G down. But due to uploads being more expensive on a GPS network and peaks and lows I figure 120G. So to parallel 50mbit fiber = 6000 gigabytes bandwidth $10/mbit / 6000 gigs transported = 8.3c per gig Is that right? Yes, that works but easier to do: $10 / 120 = 8.3 cents a gig. On my backbones my average inbound traffic is about 40 percent of my peak on the daily graph. What is everybody else at? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Thanks Josh...I think that this is what I'm looking for. Now to figure out how to get it loaded. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
IIRC change the config variables at the top, copy and paste. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Thanks Josh...I think that this is what I'm looking for. Now to figure out how to get it loaded. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog. You can read it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed. Right now, the list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all the people that are over. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com www.wirelesscowboys.com On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net mailto:spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I did read that just yesterday, Matt. I noticed you don't have the 8 meg package on your website =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog. You can read it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed. Right now, the list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all the people that are over. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com www.wirelesscowboys.com On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.comwrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
8 meg package is not offered to residential customers, only to business customers.We still get crazy people who want 8meg in the middle of nowhere, eight hops away from our NOC - so we decided it was best not to advertise it. When we rollout some more AirMax, we are going to revise this and add 6,12 and 16meg plans for residential in the places where we have AirMax deployed and enough backbone to deliver it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/3/2011 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I did read that just yesterday, Matt. I noticed you don't have the 8 meg package on your website =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog. You can read it here: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed. Right now, the list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all the people that are over. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com http://vistabeam.com www.wirelesscowboys.com http://www.wirelesscowboys.com On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Can this script be made available for everyone? Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net mailto:spie...@avolve.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too. I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I already sent it to you like 30 minutes ago... From a different e-mail account. On 5/3/2011 2:33 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Just don't go postal, but yea sure I'd like to take a look at it. -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:58:30 -0700 Hehehe if you're my CUSTOMER then you will get one via postal... :) On 5/3/2011 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Postal or UPS? :) On May 3, 2011 4:50 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'll send you the letter offline since you're a WISPA member... On 5/3/2011 6:05 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps and costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback to them on their bandwidth consumption. Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for a Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the client when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content of the email to say. What did your letter say ? -- Original Message -- From: Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700 I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com mailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Chuck - Right or wrong is arguable, but if you don't have the spectrum then I would do the same thing you are. I would argue it is right - you're offering equal service to people for important things (Facebook [communicating with family]) instead of letting moochers (Netflix) have the runway. Mark - Once again, thank you very much for your information, as I find it very valuable. I do agree that's the way it will be. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of these... 1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows for more costs more), or 2. change their behavior to not use so much 3. leave I am implementing this now. The letter went out on Friday to most customers... On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out yet. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them? I suppose if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to capitalize on something. Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from cable companies, for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. What is cost per megabit from your upstream? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
What is cost per megabit from your upstream? Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost per gigabit at the NOC. If your paying $20 per megabit you would be at 0.17$ per GByte. Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible. I am considering: Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site. Divided by 24 months. Add any rental. Divided by your total max available bandwidth. Divided by 2. Gives cost Mbps. A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM. Total max available bandwidth would be 60Mbps. Guessing prices. Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps. Price per GByte is 0.18$ I think that's too low but I did not figure/guess any BH gear cost. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost, insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit margin. Looking at it from the other direction, I currently spend about 20% of opex on bandwidth. Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be eating into your paycheck. On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote: What is cost per megabit from your upstream? Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost per gigabit at the NOC. If your paying $20 per megabit you would be at 0.17$ per GByte. Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible. I am considering: Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site. Divided by 24 months. Add any rental. Divided by your total max available bandwidth. Divided by 2. Gives cost Mbps. A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM. Total max available bandwidth would be 60Mbps. Guessing prices. Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps. Price per GByte is 0.18$ I think that's too low but I did not figure/guess any BH gear cost. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
This is even more of a difficult equation, because as ISPs, WE typically are not billed by the GB from OUR upstream providers. We are billed, generally-speaking, by one of two mechanisms: 1. Pipe speed... You pay for 50mbps and that's what you get. It doesn't matter if you only use 20, and if you hit 50 then the network bogs down. But a FIXED bandwidth cost, no danger of going over. 2. High water mark...Commit amount and burst over...usually billed at 95th percentile... In this case you can go at whatever speeds your transports and upstream will allow, and you are billed based on a high water mark for usage. In this case, there is a danger that you will be billed more by YOUR ISP but your network won't be congested at the upstream point. Here, from purely an upstream bandwidth cost perspective, it ONLY matters what people are doing at PEAK times. Our upstream agreement is a #2. (I know that makes a pun but we'll just flush that one right now)... The mechanism we have in place only deals with total monthly GB transferred, not peak time usage, so by placing in a monthly total GB limitation, we are not being very accurate to cost, but we ARE trying to have our customer be aware that they are bandwidth hogs and they need to pay or change or leave. It's at least a step in the right direction. On 5/2/2011 2:59 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Haven't run the numbers, but it doesn't look like this number is taking into consideration staff cost, other overhead such administrative cost, insurance, non-wireless gear and most importantly a reasonable profit margin. Looking at it from the other direction, I currently spend about 20% of opex on bandwidth. Granted an user increasing bandwidth doesn't cost me more in administrative (once we account for UBB), insurance and other non-transport costs, but you do have to remember there is a significant cost to running the network outside of gear and bandwidth so if you figure out the cost per GB to deliver to the customer and all of a sudden the majority start nearing their cap consistently it will be eating into your paycheck. On 5/2/11 4:48 PM, Matt wrote: What is cost per megabit from your upstream? Divide your cost per megabit by 120 to get a good idea of your cost per gigabit at the NOC. If your paying $20 per megabit you would be at 0.17$ per GByte. Figuring your cost on the wireless network is nearly impossible. I am considering: Total cost of AP and BH wireless gear at site and used to feed site. Divided by 24 months. Add any rental. Divided by your total max available bandwidth. Divided by 2. Gives cost Mbps. A site could be six canopy 2.4 AP's and a CMM. Total max available bandwidth would be 60Mbps. Guessing prices. Bandwidth is 20$ Mbps. Price per GByte is 0.18$ I think that's too low but I did not figure/guess any BH gear cost. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? This would allow for your average utube streaming of a small video, but kill anything larger like netflix, hulu, etc. IP Tables and a dynamic script should be able to do this. Marco On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Robert up/down/aggregate 103972 MB 469598 MB 573570 MB The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April. Paying $53.32 for 4 megabits down. I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my previous email, but if anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps you are using I would greatly appreciate it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just any single ongoing TCP transaction, but in practice it only affected audio and video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches. I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.
To follow through some thinking here... If that device was Billing-Server-Package-Aware then you could offer a higher level of service for HD customers that allowed the Netflix service to sense a higher-bandwidth connection and it may be more likely to stream in HD than SD. I say offer...the flip side of offer is charge for, at a higher rate, of course. There are always those who gotta have it... On 5/2/2011 3:50 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 17:32, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody worked on allowing streaming video up to lets say 10 Mb total transfer, then knocking THAT stream down to a slow rate? I tried something like that a while back - we got so very many angry phone calls that the boss had us discontinue it in less than a week. We actually didn't try to limit by video type, just any single ongoing TCP transaction, but in practice it only affected audio and video streaming, Microsoft Update, and MMO patches. I'm sure someone out there would be glad to sell you a content-aware filtering device for many thousands of dollars, if you're so inclined. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
