Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-23 Thread Tom DeReggi 
The whole NetNeutrality / Free Internet  issue is distorted to me.  The 
reason is that it uses the concept of "Freedom" to fight a "social" based 
battle, such as the fight for "equal rights" or "fight against Racism". 
Meaning, All people are people, and therefore equal, so they all should be 
treated equally.
But with Broadband, its different, NOT ALL BROADBAND IS EQUAL.  There are 
fundamental technology differences and deployment differences.


Instead this battle "Net Neutrality" should be being faught based on the 
concept of "Equal Opportunity".
There is a big difference between the two concepts.  A provider should not 
be made to conform to something, unless otherwise it prevents another 
provider from having equal opportunity.  Therefore, MaBells and Cable 
franchises must conform to certain conditions so that the rest of the world 
has "Equal Opportunity".  But Small, specialized, or niche companies should 
not be restricted, as doing so would not assist others having opportunity. 
"Equal opportunity" is the formula for allowing natural evolution to "Equal 
Rights" and "FREEDOM" for the users.


Not all providers are initially equal, and therefore they should not have 
the same restrictions and rules. By having different rules, it allows 
providers to grow at different rates so that one day they can be near 
"EQUAL".  When that happens then maybe the rules can be made more equal.  By 
having more providers that appear to be more equal, there is competitions, 
and users have choice without significant compromise.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS


This is an issue which needs further study for sure. The sky is not 
falling I do not believe. Taking action to force complete neutrality on 
all net traffic is not in the best interest of a commercial ISP who has to 
make some tough decisions when looking at issues like peer to peer traffic 
and such. I am not interested in forcing myself to adhere to an "all bits 
are created equal" philosophy unless there are provisions that allow me to 
filter viruses, spam, limit excessive abusive traffic, etc. I think 
everyone needs to study the issue fully and then start thinking about how 
best to proceed. In the meantime we need to get a feel for what the 
possibility is of us all getting shafted at peering locations. I see this 
as the biggest threat to what we do as an industry. If we have to start 
paying prices like the old days or higher for bandwidth then this could 
get ugly real fast.

Scriv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I watched it too.  Very nicely done.  I'm not sure that I like the fact 
that there were no telcos there.
 I've got mixed emotions about this one.  On the one hand, I don't like 
government over regulation.  It's true that there isn't a problem today. 
It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted.
 I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till we 
KNOW of a problem or an impending one.
 Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though.  I fail to 
see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other than 
the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford. The 
argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings hollow to me 
because the internet is already like that.  The more you pay, the faster 
you can go.  Gee, what a concept.

 Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless <http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless>
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam <http://www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam>


----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Ron Wallace <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com
on PBS

Thanks John, I watched the program.  Very good, How are we working
toward this goal?  And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

    -----Original Message-----
*From:* John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2006

Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki 

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS


> This is an issue which needs further study for sure. The sky is not
> falling I do not believe. Taking action to force complete neutrality on
> all net traffic is not in the best interest of a commercial ISP who has
> to make some tough decisions when looking at issues like peer to peer
> traffic and such. I am not interested in forcing myself to adhere to an
> "all bits are created equal" philosophy unless there are provisions that
> allow me to filter viruses, spam, limit excessive abusive traffic, etc.

John, I have been looking for the words to describe my gut instinct here,
and you came up with them with a precision far beyond anything I had been
able to think up.   Thanks.


> I think everyone needs to study the issue fully and then start thinking
> about how best to proceed. In the meantime we need to get a feel for
> what the possibility is of us all getting shafted at peering locations.
> I see this as the biggest threat to what we do as an industry. If we
> have to start paying prices like the old days or higher for bandwidth
> then this could get ugly real fast.
> Scriv

Well, I think we should get a bunch of us into a huddle and start some
rational analysis and see if we can arrive at scenarios where there REALLY
is a risk to consumers or to business, or to us as WISP's.

Danger to consumers:
What if several larger providers... Let's say, the 3 largest providers of
cable and dsl connectivity suddenly announced a new, low priced service:
Broadband for half price, but those content providers NOT on the "approved"
list (read:  having paid the carriers money) will have thier content rate
limited to dialup speed.Will consumers go for it?   Will content
providers "pay up"?Are any of the largish connectivity providers part of
a media company? LEt's say Comcast bought a streaming movies for
subscription provider, a music for subscription provider, and a couple news
and entertainment providers online, and then proceeded to prioritieze thier
own sites, and also rate limiting everyone else's.

Is this possible?   Wouldn't that be illegal under price fixing laws, or
other anti-conspiracy statutes?In Comcast's hypothetical,  as long as
they inform the consumer of what's going on,  is that really a problem?

I harken back to the days of not so long ago, when I ran a BBS, and was
actively searching for a provider to get a fractional T-1 in...  This was in
the mid to late 90's.  I recall a big selling point at the time was
"unfiltered".   Back then, many of the people who were selling connections
to the internet were schools or businesses, and were actively involved in
blocking various content, some even blocked all "overseas" traffic, as it
was considered "nuisance".Some just blocked certain ports to ensure that
your connection was only used for what they allowed it to be used for.

I don't see that anymore, instead I see a glut of "commodity" bandwidht
sellers who have the "all bits are equal" philosophy when it comes to
connectivity.

Danger to US:   what percentage of WISP's use a provider of retail
connectivity as thier bandwidth provider?If, like the first situation
above,  OUR bandwidth was limited, content prioritiezed and deprioritized by
our upstream, what would be our rights? Sad to say, I dont' think we
actually HAVE any.

I would like to see an ISP / NSP / backbone provider / other group get to
gether and discuss this,  people who have an interest in what's going on and
wish to retain the ability to get what we paid for without someone else's
demands concerning priorities and who's bits are worth what.

And while we're on the subject, perhaps the REAL solution is not one of
governmetn restricting or forcing actions on the part of ISP's in regards to
how they run their networks.MAybe all that's really needed, like in the
instance at first where I named Comcast, is that ISP's simply be required to
state if they employ any means of prioritizing or deprioritizing traffic
based upon content, application, or provider to the consumer, and be
required to reveal who gets priority and who doesn't.Frankly, I think
business would boom for the small guys, if the big guys decided to try to
screw the consumers over by limiting access based upon what content provider
ponied up and bought priority.Like political campaigns...  I don't
really care how much someone gives some guy running for office.   Disclosure
is good enough for me.


+++
neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and S

Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread Ron Wallace 
OK, sounds right to me, I support Marlons statement.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 01:18 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: 'Jim Snider'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
I watched it too.  Very nicely done.  I'm not sure that I like the fact that there were no telcos there.
 
I've got mixed emotions about this one.  On the one hand, I don't like government over regulation.  It's true that there isn't a problem today.  It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted.
 
I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till we KNOW of a problem or an impending one.
 
Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though.  I fail to see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other than the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford.  
 
The argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings hollow to me because the internet is already like that.  The more you pay, the faster you can go.  Gee, what a concept.
 
Marlon(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)    Consulting services42846865 (icq)    And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

Thanks John, I watched the program.  Very good, How are we working toward this goal?  And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote:
John,
 Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you. Cheers,
 -Alex


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
To: "Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]










Dear Alex,




Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk"
On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org



Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.

Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org.

Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.

You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers

You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality.

It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice.

Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.

They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition.

Please join us tonight!

Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com

1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com

2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an Imperial Internet" 




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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread Peter R. 
If Peering is your biggest fear, then please comment on the BST-ATT 
mereger - and ask that peering arrangements be left as is for 30 months 
or so.



John Scrivner wrote:

This is an issue which needs further study for sure. The sky is not 
falling I do not believe. Taking action to force complete neutrality 
on all net traffic is not in the best interest of a commercial ISP who 
has to make some tough decisions when looking at issues like peer to 
peer traffic and such. I am not interested in forcing myself to adhere 
to an "all bits are created equal" philosophy unless there are 
provisions that allow me to filter viruses, spam, limit excessive 
abusive traffic, etc. I think everyone needs to study the issue fully 
and then start thinking about how best to proceed. In the meantime we 
need to get a feel for what the possibility is of us all getting 
shafted at peering locations. I see this as the biggest threat to what 
we do as an industry. If we have to start paying prices like the old 
days or higher for bandwidth then this could get ugly real fast.

Scriv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I watched it too.  Very nicely done.  I'm not sure that I like the 
fact that there were no telcos there.
 
I've got mixed emotions about this one.  On the one hand, I don't 
like government over regulation.  It's true that there isn't a 
problem today.  It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted.
 
I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till 
we KNOW of a problem or an impending one.
 
Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though.  I fail to 
see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other 
than the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford.  
The argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings 
hollow to me because the internet is already like that.  The more you 
pay, the faster you can go.  Gee, what a concept.
 
Marlon



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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread John Scrivner 
This is an issue which needs further study for sure. The sky is not 
falling I do not believe. Taking action to force complete neutrality on 
all net traffic is not in the best interest of a commercial ISP who has 
to make some tough decisions when looking at issues like peer to peer 
traffic and such. I am not interested in forcing myself to adhere to an 
"all bits are created equal" philosophy unless there are provisions that 
allow me to filter viruses, spam, limit excessive abusive traffic, etc. 
I think everyone needs to study the issue fully and then start thinking 
about how best to proceed. In the meantime we need to get a feel for 
what the possibility is of us all getting shafted at peering locations. 
I see this as the biggest threat to what we do as an industry. If we 
have to start paying prices like the old days or higher for bandwidth 
then this could get ugly real fast.

Scriv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I watched it too.  Very nicely done.  I'm not sure that I like the 
fact that there were no telcos there.
 
I've got mixed emotions about this one.  On the one hand, I don't like 
government over regulation.  It's true that there isn't a problem 
today.  It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted.
 
I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till 
we KNOW of a problem or an impending one.
 
Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though.  I fail to 
see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other than 
the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford. 
 
The argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings hollow 
to me because the internet is already like that.  The more you pay, 
the faster you can go.  Gee, what a concept.
 
Marlon

(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless <http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless>
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam <http://www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam>
 

 


- Original Message -
*From:* Ron Wallace <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
    *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com
on PBS

Thanks John, I watched the program.  Very good, How are we working
toward this goal?  And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 


-Original Message-
*From:* John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PM
    *To:* 'Alex Huppenthal'
    *Cc:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com
on PBS

Hello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our
list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the
list with your information.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner


Alex Huppenthal wrote:


John,
 Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps
you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well
with you.
 Cheers,
 -Alex


Begin forwarded message:


*From: *"Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
*Date: *October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
*To: *"Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
*Subject: **Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS*
*Reply-To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

SavetheInternet.com banner <http://www.savetheinternt.com/>
Dear Alex,
Bill Moyers <http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog>

Tonight at 9:
Watch "The Net at Risk"
<http://action.freepress.net/ct/K7xJ_ZM1wPKJ/>

On the Web:
Join the Debate at PBS.org
<http://action.freepress.net/ct/K7xJ_ZM1wPKJ/>




Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.com
<http://action.freepress.net/ct/Z1xJ_ZM1wPKK/>Coalition
featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by
award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.


Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web
discussion at PBS.org.


Bill Moyers' show airs at

Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 



I watched it too.  Very nicely done.  I'm 
not sure that I like the fact that there were no telcos there.
 
I've got mixed emotions about this one.  On 
the one hand, I don't like government over regulation.  It's true that 
there isn't a problem today.  It's also true that the telcos aren't to be 
trusted.
 
I think I lean more to letting the market take care 
of it's self till we KNOW of a problem or an impending one.
 
Someone else really needs to take the lead on this 
though.  I fail to see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about 
anything other than the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can 
afford.  
 
The argument that some will have faster pipes than 
others rings hollow to me because the internet is already like that.  The 
more you pay, the faster you can go.  Gee, what a concept.
 
Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ron 
  Wallace 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: 
  Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
  
  Thanks John, I watched the program.  Very 
  good, How are we working toward this goal?  And Marlon, what should I be 
  doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson 
  Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: 
  (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
  -Original Message-From: John Scrivner 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 
PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: 
wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join 
SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had 
trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try 
to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the 
list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex 
Huppenthal wrote: 
John,
   Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps 
  you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with 
  you. Cheers, 
   -Alex
  
  
  Begin forwarded message:
  
From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
To: "Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on 
PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  
  

  

  


  Dear 
Alex, 

  
 
  Tonight 
  at 9:Watch 
  "The Net at Risk"
  On 
  the Web:Join 
  the Debate at PBS.org
  
  

Tune 
in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition 
featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by 
award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.

Then 
join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web 
discussion at PBS.org.

Bill 
Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check 
local listings). 
Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will 
host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy 
Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike 
McCurry.

You 
can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join 
in:


  When: 
  Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: 
  http://www.pbs.org/moyers

You'll 
be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. 
With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with 
our campaign to save Net Neutrality.

It's 
important to have you there. In the six months since the 
SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of

Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Ron Wallace 
Thanks John, I watched the program.  Very good, How are we working toward this goal?  And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote:
John,
 Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you. Cheers,
 -Alex


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
To: "Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]










Dear Alex,




Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk"
On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org



Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.

Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org.

Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.

You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers

You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality.

It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice.

Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.

They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition.

Please join us tonight!

Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com

1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com

2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an Imperial Internet" 




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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread Sam Tetherow 
Ain't going to happen, Net Neutrality is another y2k, all hype, little 
to no substance.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Carl A Jeptha wrote:

Gentlemen and Ladies of USA,
You have a problem, that if you do not defend "Net Neutrality" no 
Nuclear device  and no matter how big will protect you or I from what 
can and will happen. Believe it or not right now the rest of the 
world's democracy rest's in your hands.
When Democracy is owned by a Corporation and not by the people (notice 
the word "owned") we will have trouble.
I remember, years ago when a US  citizen wanted to know who he to pay 
for the internet, because he believed that someone had to own it. I 
gave up after 5mins on dialup (14400 modem)  to try and tell him that 
no one controlled the internet.  You US WISP's will have to stop the 
assault, because I know that in Canada they will only rubber stamp the 
FCC.


I feel sorry for you but the fight is now with you, because it is all 
quiet in the rest of the world, but I can guarantee you that if you 
loose the rest will follow suit, and quote " the USA did it, it must 
be the right thing to do" (meanwhile, everyone curses the Americans, 
until it will line their pockets, then the Americans are doing the 
right thing).

Mr Upton should be led to the wall with a blindfold and shot for treason.
End of Rant. Time for another beer before I fall asleep.

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha



John Scrivner wrote:
Hello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. 
Please send the error you receive when you try to post to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with 
your information.

Sincerely,
John Scrivner


Alex Huppenthal wrote:

John,
 Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd 
like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.

 Cheers,
 -Alex


Begin forwarded message:

*From: *"Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

*Date: *October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
*To: *"Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

*Subject: **Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS*
*Reply-To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



SavetheInternet.com banner 
Dear Alex,
Bill Moyers 

Tonight at 9:
Watch "The Net at Risk" 

On the Web:
Join the Debate at PBS.org 






Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.com 
Coalition featured in 
"The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning 
journalist Bill Moyers.



Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web 
discussion at PBS.org.



Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local 
listings ). 
Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a 
live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott 
and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.



You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


*When:* Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm Pacific
*Where: *http://www.pbs.org/moyers


You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. 
With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our 
campaign to save Net Neutrality.



It's important to have you there. In the six months since the 
SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans 
have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put 
Congress and the phone companies on notice.



Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.


They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of 
industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from 
corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and 
competition.



Please join us tonight!


Timothy Karr
Campaign Director
Free Press and SavetheInternet.com
www.savetheinternet.com 


1. For the latest information on the campaign visit 
www.SavetheInternet.com 



2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an 
Imperial Internet "




 



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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread Carl A Jeptha 

Gentlemen and Ladies of USA,
You have a problem, that if you do not defend "Net Neutrality" no 
Nuclear device  and no matter how big will protect you or I from what 
can and will happen. Believe it or not right now the rest of the world's 
democracy rest's in your hands.
When Democracy is owned by a Corporation and not by the people (notice 
the word "owned") we will have trouble.
I remember, years ago when a US  citizen wanted to know who he to pay 
for the internet, because he believed that someone had to own it. I gave 
up after 5mins on dialup (14400 modem)  to try and tell him that no one 
controlled the internet.  You US WISP's will have to stop the assault, 
because I know that in Canada they will only rubber stamp the FCC.


I feel sorry for you but the fight is now with you, because it is all 
quiet in the rest of the world, but I can guarantee you that if you 
loose the rest will follow suit, and quote " the USA did it, it must be 
the right thing to do" (meanwhile, everyone curses the Americans, until 
it will line their pockets, then the Americans are doing the right thing).

Mr Upton should be led to the wall with a blindfold and shot for treason.
End of Rant. Time for another beer before I fall asleep.

You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha



John Scrivner wrote:
Hello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. 
Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information.

Sincerely,
John Scrivner


Alex Huppenthal wrote:

John,
 Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd 
like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.

 Cheers,
 -Alex


Begin forwarded message:

*From: *"Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

*Date: *October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
*To: *"Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

*Subject: **Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS*
*Reply-To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



SavetheInternet.com banner 
Dear Alex,
Bill Moyers 

Tonight at 9:
Watch "The Net at Risk" 

On the Web:
Join the Debate at PBS.org 






Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.com 
Coalition featured in 
"The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning 
journalist Bill Moyers.



Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web 
discussion at PBS.org.



Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local 
listings ). 
Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a 
live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott 
and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.



You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


*When:* Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm Pacific
*Where: *http://www.pbs.org/moyers


You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. 
With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our 
campaign to save Net Neutrality.



It's important to have you there. In the six months since the 
SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans 
have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put 
Congress and the phone companies on notice.



Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.


They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of 
industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from 
corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and 
competition.



Please join us tonight!


Timothy Karr
Campaign Director
Free Press and SavetheInternet.com
www.savetheinternet.com 


1. For the latest information on the campaign visit 
www.SavetheInternet.com 



2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an 
Imperial Internet "






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[WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-18 Thread John Scrivner 




Hello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please
send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he
will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. 
Sincerely,
John Scrivner


Alex Huppenthal wrote:
John,
   Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps
you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.
 Cheers,
   -Alex
  
  
  Begin forwarded message:
  
  
From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
To: "Alex Huppenthal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




  

  


  
  

  
Dear
Alex,

  

  
  Tonight
at 9:
  Watch
"The Net at Risk"
  On
the Web:
  Join
the Debate at PBS.org
  
  
  
  
  

  




Tune
in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition
featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning
journalist Bill Moyers.


Then
join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at
PBS.org.


Bill
Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check
local listings).
Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a
live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and
phone industry flack Mike McCurry.


You
can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:



  When:
Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm Pacific
  Where:
  http://www.pbs.org/moyers



You'll
be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your
help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save
Net Neutrality.


It's
important to have you there. In the six months since the
SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have
joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress
and the phone companies on notice.


Tonight's
program could make millions more aware of this issue.


They
need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry
mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts
to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition.


Please
join us tonight!


Timothy
Karr
Campaign
Director
Free
Press and SavetheInternet.com
www.savetheinternet.com


1.
For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com


2.
Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against
an Imperial Internet" 







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