Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We are the only WISP in the area, and there are no other 3.65 licensees within 40 miles. Daniel Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote .. I agree. We used to have a bunch of 3.65 Ubnt deployed in PTMP. I have removed almost all of it after being unable to maintain stable performance. If you are going to use it, keep connections pure line of sight and keep all AMQ and Capacity above 90%. Also don't install anyone over -66dbm signal. Do not put more than one AP on any site nor within 6 miles of another AP where the APs can see each other or any clients can possibly see more than one AP. Also make sure you have no other competitors in the area use 3.65 as any noise really seems to kill this equipment. I use 3.65 (25mhz channel) on PTP links with at least 2' dishes a lot, but nothing else. On 07/31/2013 08:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Doesn't mean no one is using it. All it takes is some guy to find a pair of Powerbridge365 using 20 MHz channels to connect his shop to his house. There's no restriction on ordering the equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are the only WISP in the area, and there are no other 3.65 licensees within 40 miles. Daniel Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote .. I agree. We used to have a bunch of 3.65 Ubnt deployed in PTMP. I have removed almost all of it after being unable to maintain stable performance. If you are going to use it, keep connections pure line of sight and keep all AMQ and Capacity above 90%. Also don't install anyone over -66dbm signal. Do not put more than one AP on any site nor within 6 miles of another AP where the APs can see each other or any clients can possibly see more than one AP. Also make sure you have no other competitors in the area use 3.65 as any noise really seems to kill this equipment. I use 3.65 (25mhz channel) on PTP links with at least 2' dishes a lot, but nothing else. On 07/31/2013 08:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Guys... There are so many tech how to videos on youtube for every kind of smartphone, networking and programming issue.. I'd love to see WISPA how to videos. This Ubiquity install issue is a perfect example. AND since regional wisps are growing in demand internationally in growing countries... your market is HUGE... Just my 2 cents... On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Doesn't mean no one is using it. All it takes is some guy to find a pair of Powerbridge365 using 20 MHz channels to connect his shop to his house. There's no restriction on ordering the equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are the only WISP in the area, and there are no other 3.65 licensees within 40 miles. Daniel Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote .. I agree. We used to have a bunch of 3.65 Ubnt deployed in PTMP. I have removed almost all of it after being unable to maintain stable performance. If you are going to use it, keep connections pure line of sight and keep all AMQ and Capacity above 90%. Also don't install anyone over -66dbm -- Robert Q Kim Man With a Van Logistics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT84-cm_VNU Chiswick | Chelsea | Kensington 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Gino won't buy it unless it has batwings or costs at least 4 digits per SU. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
We've haven't had much luck with our UBNT 365 ptmp setups either. Not that they're horrible but it's not giving us optimal performance. Also don't think that you're going to make shots through a grove of trees because it's not going to work. A tree maybe but you're pushing it. I've got a neighborhood with about a dozen or less customers on each sector (2 sectors total) and the capacity sucks but i'm also using 5mhz channels. I have everyone at -70 or better and we're seeing 50% quality 50% capacity. All shots under 1/4 mile. Dear God I hope Cambium comes out with a 450 3.65ghz solution because the options we have right now are downright horrid. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
What kind of issues have you seen? We only have a few running, but they seem to be fine. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 12:32 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: I have to agree with Gino. I have not had much luck with M365 PTMP setup. PTP is fine but you only have 25MHz to use. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
No... I won't buy if if it does not support gps sync. Specially 3.65 and the limited spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 31, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino won't buy it unless it has batwings or costs at least 4 digits per SU. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Don't do it?? Where'd that come from. There's really only two models of CPEs in the 3.65 world... the NanoStation and the NanoBridge. The NanoStation will be good for about a mile clear line of site. The NanoBridge will be good a few miles out, and perhaps closer with a small obstruction (bush, single tree, etc). 3GHz requires nearly clear line of site to operate properly. You must register your 3GHz with the FCC and pay the $200 license fee. You must coordinate with grandfathered earth stations if there are any near you. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 7/31/13 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey it could work... Why are you replacing the gear? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I agree. We used to have a bunch of 3.65 Ubnt deployed in PTMP. I have removed almost all of it after being unable to maintain stable performance. If you are going to use it, keep connections pure line of sight and keep all AMQ and Capacity above 90%. Also don't install anyone over -66dbm signal. Do not put more than one AP on any site nor within 6 miles of another AP where the APs can see each other or any clients can possibly see more than one AP. Also make sure you have no other competitors in the area use 3.65 as any noise really seems to kill this equipment. I use 3.65 (25mhz channel) on PTP links with at least 2' dishes a lot, but nothing else. On 07/31/2013 08:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Don't do it... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:01 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.cadaniel.mul...@metrocom.ca mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.cadaniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Daniel Mullen wi...@metrocom.camailto:wi...@metrocom.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.camailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.camailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
It may come to that, but all of our back haul links are 5 GHz and it was always intended to be kept 'clean' for this purpose. If we could count on using the 3.65 GHz for backhaul it would mean switching the links on ~20 towers but help us get out of the 2.4 GHz mess. Daniel At 00:43 01.08.2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_CE1F0B6B1B2E1gavaeronetprcom_ Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Daniel Mullen mailto:wi...@metrocom.cawi...@metrocom.ca Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site If this helps: We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page letter. There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24 customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy. Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support a ~300 Mbps link. The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a few more up to 2000 yards away. My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation in return for 24 month contracts. I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks. Daniel At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote: Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links. Keep distances short, 4 miles or less. AMQ above 80% TX CCQ above 75% RX level or -70 or better AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must ALL be at or above those values. Keep SM counts below 45 or so. Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields. Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450 (don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it becomes available. On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:01 AM, mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca mailto:daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system. Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep 'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until now. Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too! Thanks, Daniel ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list mailto:Wireless@wispa.orgWireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
I would go licensed backhauls and save all the unlicensed spectrum for pmp.
That way you have a bunch of different tools to use for the last mile.
Start with a couple backhauls each year and work your way out...you'll be
glad you did.
Also 5.4ghz is very useful because the noise floor is almost always -95 (in
our area at least) the lower noise floor makes it just as useful as 5.8
where the noise is -80
Sean
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Daniel Mullen wrote:
It may come to that, but all of our back haul links are 5 GHz and it was
always intended to be kept 'clean' for this purpose. If we could count on
using the 3.65 GHz for backhaul it would mean switching the links on ~20
towers but help us get out of the 2.4 GHz mess.
Daniel
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Why don't you use PMP450 in 5ghz?
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@aeronetpr
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for Ubiquiti 3.65 site
If this helps:
We are in Canada - spectrum license time: one week. Effort: one page
letter.
There are three 900 MHz Canopy sectors and an omni serving at least 24
customers who are now on 2.4 GHz Canopy.
Currently the backhaul is on 5 GHz but this will need to change to support
a ~300 Mbps link.
The site is on a hill with a 96' tower overlooking the coast, with all of
the 30 or so 2.4 GHz customers being inside of 1000 yards, and perhaps a
few more up to 2000 yards away.
My plan was to put up two Titanium base stations, each with a 90° antenna
of unknown source as of yet, and to put up to 24 customers on each sector
to offer an upgrade to either 5 Mbps or 10 Mbps connections. These are
existing customers, so it would be free radio rental and free installation
in return for 24 month contracts.
I would be more than willing to deploy something like the PMP450 or Runcom
LTE stuff, but we need to do this in the next couple of weeks.
Daniel
At 18:20 31.07.2013, you wrote:
Use NSM365 with a dish on all but the shortest links.
Keep distances short, 4 miles or less.
AMQ above 80%
TX CCQ above 75%
RX level or -70 or better
AMQ, TX CCQ, RX level must *ALL* be at or above those values.
Keep SM counts below 45 or so.
Use KP Performance antennas or Ubiquiti antennas with RF Armor shields.
Once the above is done, start saving money for the upcoming 3.65 PMP450
(don't hold your breath though) and replace the Ubiquiti gear when it
becomes available.
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We are putting up a 3.65 GHz system next week to take existing customers
off of an existing Canopy 2.4GHz system.
Is there anyone who has deployed the 3 Ghz gear from Ubnt and could
recommend which model of CPE and if there anything to know to avoid a steep
'learning curve' since we have never deployed anything from Ubiquiti until
now.
Suggestions as to the best prices are most welcome too!
Thanks,
Daniel
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