Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Daniel Keith]

Works for 5ghz out to about 20 miles and it's cheaper and quicker than a
bucket truck. Gets me concrete numbers on how high and what size antenna is
necessary.

https://youtu.be/ohBBrsoxOYI


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:58 PM, David Jones  wrote:

> Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify
> buying one.
>
> Here are a few that I have come up with:
>
> 1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45'
> tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes
> from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to
> determine how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.
>
> 2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no
> longer in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we
> need to get it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top
> to help us determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would
> save a trip with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.
>
> What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the
> cost to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?
>
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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thanks for pointing that out Daniel,

I saw the recreational stuff released… Further digging I see a flow chart. 
https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/ca-opssvs/flying-unmanned-aircraft-need-permission.pdf

As long as you’re under 25KG for your aircraft and meet exemption conditions 
you can fly for commercial use.  There seems to be a bunch of information to 
submit, a training you need to take and acquire liability insurance. Looks like 
I have some work to do, but it is not overly burdensome.

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Andreas, beware!

If you are using is commercially, you MUST be licensed, and if you are using it 
'for recreation' there now are strict rules.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/flying-drone-safely-legally.html
Rules for recreational drones
If you fly your drone for fun and it weighs more than 250 g and up to 35 kg, 
you do not need special permission from Transport Canada to fly.

Follow the basic safety rules below. Not doing so may put lives, aircraft and 
property at risk. If you fly where you are not allowed or choose not to follow 
any of the rules below, you could face fines of up to $3,000.
Do not fly your drone:

  *   higher than 90 m above the ground
  *   closer than 75 m from buildings, vehicles, vessels, animals, people/crowds
  *   closer than nine km from the centre of an aerodrome (any airport, 
heliport, seaplane base or anywhere that aircraft take-off and land)
  *   within controlled or restricted airspace
  *   within nine km of a forest fire
  *   where it could interfere with police or first responders
  *   at night or in clouds
  *   if you can’t keep it in sight at all times
  *   if you are not within 500 m of your drone
  *   if your name, address, and telephone number are not clearly marked on 
your drone.

The list above is an overview of the new rules for recreational drone users. 
Consult the Interim Order Respecting the Use of Model 
Aircraft<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/interim-order-respecting-use-model-aircraft.html>
 for the full list of provisions. Members of the Model Aeronautics Association 
of Canada (MAAC)<http://www.maac.ca/en/> who operate at MAAC sanctioned fields 
or events are not subject to these rules.

[mage removed by sender. []]

Flying for fun? New rules for recreational drone 
users<https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/ca-opssvs/Infographic_-_New_rules_for_recreational_drone_users_EN_2.pdf>
(PDF, 4 MB)
Tips for recreational drone users:

  *   Fly your drone during daylight and in good weather.
  *   Keep your drone where you can see it with your own eyes – not through an 
on-board camera, monitor or smartphone.
  *   Make sure your drone is safe for flight before take-off. Ask yourself, 
for example: Are the batteries fully charged? Is it too cold to fly?
  *   Respect the privacy of others. Avoid flying over private property or 
taking photos or videos without permission.

Non-recreational drone: If you fly your drone (or UAV) for work or research, or 
if it weighs more than 35 kg, you must get a Special Flight Operations 
Certificate (SFOC). The SFOC tells you how and where you are allowed to use 
your UAV.

For more information on the SFOC, read Getting permission to fly your 
drone<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/getting-permission-fly-drone.html>.
Does Transport Canada approve schools that can teach me to fly my UAV safely?
We do not approve UAV training organizations or recognize certificates for UAV 
operations.

All UAV pilots are responsible to ensure they have the right level of 
knowledge, experience and skills required to safely operate. You may access UAV 
pilot training from sources including:

  *   UAV operators and manufacturers
  *   manned aviation flight training organizations
  *   third parties

Legal requirements
When flying a UAV (non-recreational drone) in Canada, you must:

  *  

Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Rob Cambell]

I have considered getting a new FAA drone license for tower related work.  
Safety One shows some examples of what you can use drones for here: 
https://youtu.be/NiBLsbGm-CM

The FAA does have a lot of restrictions on what you can do, even with a 
license.  The cost of a drone which can handle wind and lift a decent wireless 
camera, a weight and a throwline is also not cheap.


I have also seen people put an SDR on a drone.  With that setup you could even 
do basic spectrum analysis at height, which could be useful for finding 
interference sources.


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To use one commercially you will need to have a UAV license from the FAA. It 
takes about a month of studying and $150.00 for the test. Fines are very high, 
especially as the FAA is looking to make examples of people to discourage 
breaking the law.

Even recreational use requires the drone to be registered with the FAA, unless 
it weighs less than 1/2 a pound.

No flights are authorize within 5 miles of an airport unless you get tower 
permission first.

There are a myriad of rules that people are breaking every day. Flights within 
a TFR could result in prison time.

I got my license last month.


On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:58 AM, David Jones <d...@nglconnection.com> wrote:

> Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify buying 
> one.
>
> Here are a few that I have come up with:
>
> 1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45' 
> tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes 
> from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to determine 
> how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.
>
> 2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no longer 
> in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we need to get 
> it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top to help us 
> determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would save a trip 
> with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.
>
> What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the cost 
> to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?
>
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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Daniel Mullen]

Transport Canada is developing new regulations to 
address the safety requirements, growing 
popularity, and economic importance of UAVs. Proposed changes include:

   * new flight rules
   * aircraft marking and registration requirements
   * knowledge testing
   * minimum age limits
   * pilot permits for certain UAV pilots

We published a 
<http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/NPA-APM/actr.aspx?id=17=1=eng>Notice 
of Proposed Amendment in May 2015 to highlight 
these changes. Canadians will be able to comment 
on the proposed amendments when they are 
published in 
<http://canadagazette.gc.ca/gazette/home-accueil-eng.php>Canada 
Gazette, Part 1.



Related links

   * 
<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/getting-permission-fly-drone.html>Getting 
permission to fly your drone
   * 
<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/no-drone-zones.html>No 
drone zones
   * 
<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/report-drone-incident.html>Report 
a drone incident
   * 
<https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/drone-incident-report-form.html>Drone 
incident report form







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I have a DJI Phantom 4 pro.  We primarily use it 
to inspect tower antennas for ICE damage after 
storms. Saves climbing time etc.  I must look at 
the legalities here in Canada, but since we are 
flying only around our towers…I believe it’s a 
safee bet no one is going to bug me.  After all, 
if air traffic is anywhere near our towers…there 
are bigger prooblems. Flying over busy streets 
and people or near an airport, you are asking for problems.


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Subject: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses 
for a drone to justify buying one.


Here are a few that I have come up with:

1. New tower site surveys. we are running into 
areas that our standard 45' tower will not cut 
it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation 
changes from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 
miles.) a drone could be used to determine how 
high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.


2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that 
we are on that is no longer in use nor 
maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off 
and we need to get it repaired. A drone can take 
the needed pictures from the top to help us 
determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix 
it. That would save a trip with an 80' bucket 
truck so we only will need it once.


What else can anyone think of for use of a 
drone? What would justify the cost to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?


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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Scott Piehn]

Customer side surveys when a tower needs to be built to determine how high it 
would take to get LOS


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From: David Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify buying 
one. 

Here are a few that I have come up with:

1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45' 
tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes from 
7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to determine how 
high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.

2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no longer in 
use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we need to get it 
repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top to help us 
determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would save a trip 
with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.

What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the cost 
to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?


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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I have a DJI Phantom 4 pro.  We primarily use it to inspect tower antennas for 
ICE damage after storms. Saves climbing time etc.  I must look at the 
legalities here in Canada, but since we are flying only around our towers…I 
believe it’s a safe bet no one is going to bug me.  After all, if air traffic 
is anywhere near our towers…there are bigger problems. Flying over busy streets 
and people or near an airport, you are asking for problems.

Cheers,

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Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify buying 
one.

Here are a few that I have come up with:

1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45' 
tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes from 
7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to determine how 
high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.

2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no longer in 
use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we need to get it 
repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top to help us 
determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would save a trip 
with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.

What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the cost 
to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?

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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Nick Bright]

On 4/11/2017 3:42 PM, Walter W. Stumpf Jr. wrote:
> I believe there is a height rule, under 400' does not require a license.
>
> Walter
That is no longer the case, see Dan's previous comments.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/

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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Kian KO. O'Connell]

  1.  Don’t ignore Dan’s comments. It’s easy enough to get the license. But 
they ARE looking to make examples of people.
  2.  I’m using a lot of mimosa lately and they have dual radios, 2..4 and 5 
ghz which allows me to use them for LOS testing and pick the perfect spot for 
the antenna. 
  3.  Don’t skimp. Get a good one or build your own if you have the knowhow. 
You don’t want to have a flyaway that causes a car accident or anything like 
that. Larger ones are more stable. Mine is a home-built 30 inch platform with 8 
motors. It allows for extra weight which is nice when you need to do real 
aerial photography with a real camera with a nice telephoto lens.


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Subject: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify buying 
one.

Here are a few that I have come up with:

1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45' 
tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes from 
7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to determine how 
high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.

2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no longer in 
use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we need to get it 
repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top to help us 
determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would save a trip 
with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.

What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the cost 
to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?

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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Walter W. Stumpf Jr.]

I believe there is a height rule, under 400' does not require a license.

Walter



On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> To use one commercially you will need to have a UAV license from the FAA.
> It takes about a month of studying and $150.00 for the test. Fines are very
> high, especially as the FAA is looking to make examples of people to
> discourage breaking the law.
>
> Even recreational use requires the drone to be registered with the FAA,
> unless it weighs less than 1/2 a pound.
>
> No flights are authorize within 5 miles of an airport unless you get tower
> permission first.
>
> There are a myriad of rules that people are breaking every day. Flights
> within a TFR could result in prison time.
>
> I got my license last month.
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:58 AM, David Jones  wrote:
>
> > Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify
> buying one.
> >
> > Here are a few that I have come up with:
> >
> > 1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard
> 45' tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation
> changes from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to
> determine how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.
> >
> > 2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no
> longer in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we
> need to get it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top
> to help us determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would
> save a trip with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.
> >
> > What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the
> cost to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Dan Petermann]

To use one commercially you will need to have a UAV license from the FAA. It 
takes about a month of studying and $150.00 for the test. Fines are very high, 
especially as the FAA is looking to make examples of people to discourage 
breaking the law. 

Even recreational use requires the drone to be registered with the FAA, unless 
it weighs less than 1/2 a pound.

No flights are authorize within 5 miles of an airport unless you get tower 
permission first. 

There are a myriad of rules that people are breaking every day. Flights within 
a TFR could result in prison time. 

I got my license last month.


On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:58 AM, David Jones  wrote:

> Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify buying 
> one.
> 
> Here are a few that I have come up with:
> 
> 1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45' 
> tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes 
> from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to determine 
> how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.
> 
> 2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no longer 
> in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we need to get 
> it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top to help us 
> determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would save a trip 
> with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.
> 
> What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the cost 
> to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[Walter W. Stumpf Jr.]

I would like to find a drone that;

A. Lasts longer than 5-10 minutes
B. Records what it is seeing
C. Transmits what it is seeing to my phone
D. Doesn't cost more than my house, preferably in the $50 range.  I went to
look at smile.amazon.com and there literately over 1000 in the $25 to 100
price range:(

Any suggestions?

Walter



On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:58 PM, David Jones 
wrote:

> Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify
> buying one.
>
> Here are a few that I have come up with:
>
> 1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45'
> tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes
> from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to
> determine how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.
>
> 2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no
> longer in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we
> need to get it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top
> to help us determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would
> save a trip with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.
>
> What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the
> cost to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?
>
> --
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[WISPA] What would you use a drone for?

[David Jones]

Good day, I am trying to list out all the uses for a drone to justify
buying one.

Here are a few that I have come up with:

1. New tower site surveys. we are running into areas that our standard 45'
tower will not cut it. (I know its short but hey we have elevation changes
from 7200' to 8600' in less than 3 miles.) a drone could be used to
determine how high a tower needs to be to get the best coverage.

2. Tower maintenance. We have a water tower that we are on that is no
longer in use nor maintained. The top ladder is about to fall off and we
need to get it repaired. A drone can take the needed pictures from the top
to help us determine what parts/bolts/welder we need to fix it. That would
save a trip with an 80' bucket truck so we only will need it once.

What else can anyone think of for use of a drone? What would justify the
cost to make it clearly a tool and not a toy?

-- 
David Jones
NGL Connection
307-288-5491 ext 702
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