Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
If you have an APC SmartUPS 750 XL, you can add APC battery packs. They even have a UXBP24 that does Battery Volt-Amp-Hour Capacity 3360 It is definitely more expensive than other batteries, but it does plug right in John Thomas Tom DeReggi wrote: You also want to use a combination of putting the batteries in series and parallel, to keep the amperage within specs supported by the equipment. Its just not an issue of the cable and batteries, but also what the radio's ports will handle. Also charging is a factor. The more batteries the larger the load on the charging circuit. Most UPS manufactuirers do not give the specs on the load that the charging circuit can handle. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Would there be a local retailer of AGM batteries or would I order them online? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hi, There are MANY, MANY considerations here... as we have done the same thing at many tower sites: First, make sure you fuse the cable coming out of the UPS to the battery bank. We use 60A and 100A fuses depending on if we use two or four batteries. Second, I HIGHLY recommend sealed AGM type batteries. The ones at Walmart, etc. are not the same quality as the AGM batteries for UPS systems, and they have to be refilled with water about every 2-3 months (depending on how often they cycle, etc.). The AGM are completely sealed and designed for this type of use (thus that is the type in large UPS systems). They also do not leak even if broken, and are designed to operate in cold and hot environments. And, with a 1000 UPS and two external AGM (110Ah) batteries, we can run 4 AP's, a large HP switch and a backhaul radio for about 30 hours. The type of battery (size, style, quality) can make a HUGE difference. Spend the extra money and get good batteries. :) Travis Microserv John Valenti wrote: Mark, How much effort is involved in changing it over to the RV batteries? You need to use two of them because that is what the SU700 is setup for, right? It seems to do OK charging these batteries that are considerably larger than it was designed for? Is the SU700NET the cheapest APC that accepts the smartslot cards? I looked on EBay and only saw one listed, it was a buy-it-now for $25. (George, RV batteries used to be about $60 at Costco / WalMart. ) thanks! On November 12, at 2:42 PM November 12, Mark Nash wrote: I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Does anyone have a source for 24 vDC injectors for PoE? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
If the system is 24 vDC and I need 24 vDC for my equipment, could I tap off of it at the batteries for the 24 vDC gear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Hi Mike, Yes, the OPS-DC could take your 24VDC source and power any of our VL radios. It has a DC to DC converter that provides the properly formed 55VDC component to run the VL radio. You would not need a 24V POE injector. The OPS-DC is the injector. Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? If the system is 24 vDC and I need 24 vDC for my equipment, could I tap off of it at the batteries for the 24 vDC gear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up: http://www.tessco.com/yts/industry/products/infra/infrastructure/power_supplies/pdf/agl_reprint.pdf -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
This is good. I want backup at all my sites but there does not seem to be any products I like. Maybe now people will make them. Brian George Rogato wrote: Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up: http://www.tessco.com/yts/industry/products/infra/infrastructure/power_supplies/pdf/agl_reprint.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Read close, it only applies to ILECs, CLECs, and CMRS (commercial mobile radio service) providers. Still not a bad idea for WISPs, but not required if you're not a CLEC. Graham On Nov 13, 2007 9:19 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speak of the devil. Tessco says the FCC is going to require 8 hours of back up: http://www.tessco.com/yts/industry/products/infra/infrastructure/power_supplies/pdf/agl_reprint.pdf -- George Rogato WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Adam Kennedy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price?
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
oh, sorry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
oh, sorry. The difference is that the 9606 is discontinued and the 9617 is not. http://apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606tab=compare Choose the 9617 to compare it to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
The difficult issue is not inforcing that a company has a emergency backup power system. Its enforcing that it must be functional at the time of emergency. Most Telcos already have 4 hour run-time systems at their locations. Its jsut that when the power fails, thats when they identify the dead cells in batterys, resulting in downtime. What is really needed is a man\datory audit, testing proceedure for proving systems are being maintained. Not sure of all that is good or bad for WISPs. On one sude it makes our competitors spend their money :-) But on the other... maybe I can no longer come save the day with my system that offers better uptime with 12 hour run-time. I milked the heck out of... your Telco is down, but my WISP is still up. I don;t wnat my competitors to be forced to be more reliable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
You do a series parallel circuit. 2 sets in series paralleled together. Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
You also want to use a combination of putting the batteries in series and parallel, to keep the amperage within specs supported by the equipment. Its just not an issue of the cable and batteries, but also what the radio's ports will handle. Also charging is a factor. The more batteries the larger the load on the charging circuit. Most UPS manufactuirers do not give the specs on the load that the charging circuit can handle. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Hi, Again, you need to be careful... the charging unit in the smaller UPS systems (700, 1000, 1400) is not designed to run for 3-4 days to charge up 10 batteries that were drained from an outage. You will burn up the UPS. I would not recommend more than 4 external batteries on any small UPS. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: Hooked up properly, you should be able to put in as many as you want/have space for. Can anyone share how to hook up batteries in parallel vs. series? Also, once you put in the SNMP card, you can tell it how many external batteries you have. This is a way of estimating how much runtime you will have. It's not accurate, because you're using different batteries than it expects. For 2 batteries, I enter in 4 external batteries for this value. It is as close as I've found you can get it. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Thanks for the advice. I'm going to try one. I'm wondering how many batteries I can gang together using the ups you mentioned. George Mark Nash wrote: UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9619 - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606 - Basic Web/SNMP Management card http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9606 AP9617 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management (email capability etc.) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP9617 AP9619 - Advanced Web/SNMP Management with Environmental monitoring http://www.apcc.com/resource/include
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Eric, Whats the DC output on the OPS-DC? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mike Hammett wrote: The 17 does environmental monitoring as well. Um, no it doesn't. AP9606
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
55VDC at 1.0A Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Eric, Whats the DC output on the OPS-DC? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Note: the 9606 is 10mbps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Yes, you can. We have about 50 of them doing just that. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I remember now. The 9606 doesn't do e-mail notification. That was important for me. You can set up e-mail address recipients and assign a severity to each one of them: Informational, Warning, Critical. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Thanks, We have examined the pros and cons of going full dc on our pops, It all comes down to equipment cost vs long time savings on wasted energy. But for out typical POPs we use an APC UPS with External batteries, This setup gives us: Aprox 12 hrs of runtime DC voltage selectivity Low Voltage disconnect Surge Suppression on the AC http snmp remote monitoring remote rebooting capabilities all for about $550 ($150 refub UPS, $50 SNMP Card, $ 350 for 2 AGM Cells) Similar functionality for a DC system is at least 3x the cost It's a no brainer Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? 55VDC at 1.0A Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Eric, Whats the DC output on the OPS-DC? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? This seems like a good opportunity to lob in a sales pitch of sorts. But I will disguise it as an engineering discussion to appease the tech crowd. I will preface my comments by saying I do not know the original application for which this question was posed. Most of the gear (there are exceptions) in our business, in the end run on DC power. Our radios are a good example. The chassis based BS-AU can run on -48 VDC power supplies and supply the necessary DC voltages to the cards and ODUs. The process of running a UPS (which in application is a battery powering an inverter) only to knock down the 120VAC into DC seems overkill. The process is inefficient, generates heat and can be expensive. This process is commonly known as the double-conversion method. Side bar: some UPS units, not all, don't handle power correction. They will kick on during under/over voltage situations but they do little to correct for the quality of the power. Over time poor AC power quality will chip away at the MTBF of everything connected to it. I have also heard that many of the more popular UPS units have trouble with generators, especially the generators that have automatic throttles. If the quality of the generated power is poor it will burn up the MOVs that are in place at the input side of the UPS. But I digress... I think the Telcos have had it right for some time. Although how they got there is another discussion. But in the end DC power affords you some options. A properly engineered DC power plant will take the brunt of bad power and isolate it from your gear. The rectifiers take the hit so to speak and the batteries don't care. Any power events such as brownouts, surges or blackouts don't get telegraphed to the radio equipment. Another point worth noting is the availability of modular-based rectifiers and battery chargers. Lots of options. (I have even seen hydrogen fuel cell units in place a major POPs. Really cool gear.) One WISP who has employed this design had a long outage that almost drained the batteries. They pulled a pickup truck with a full tank of gas up to the site and topped off the DC string. Others have taken the approach of using wind/solar/hydro/utility. Also, if you can build a POP on nothing but DC, think of how much energy you will save just by cutting out the wasted heat that an inverter (or UPS) creates. If the design calls for a cabinet, chances are you will not back-up the air conditioner. Where does all that heat go during a long outage? (DC fans anyone?) Here is the sales pitch. Alvarion manufactures several options in the DC genre. We have the aforementioned -48VDC PS for the BS-SH chassis solution. When you design a system with one radio family (i.e. VL) redundant power supplies can be implemented at the tower. And now, for the Pièce de résistance, we have a DC standalone power supply for VL. It is the OPS-DC. Its input range is 10.5 to 32 VDC and draws less than 1A at 24VDC. Slightly more draw at 12VDC. The temperature range is -31 to +131F. Why all the hoopla? A DC battery charger with a good deep cycle battery and the OPS-DC could run a VL sector for... well, a really long time. This idea will certainly not work for everyone or for every design. But it sure is fun to imagine the possibilities. I hope to hear some creative responses. Thanks for reading. Eric Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
[WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
A couple of the differeneces I see: the APC has a 2 year warranty vs 90 days on the generic one, also it looks like you can add a ethernet module to the APC for remote monitoring. also the Wattage output is 600W higher on the APC Not sure if that is worth twice the price though. Ryan On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We have had great luck buying refurb APC UPS from www.upsprotection.com Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? A couple of the differeneces I see: the APC has a 2 year warranty vs 90 days on the generic one, also it looks like you can add a ethernet module to the APC for remote monitoring. also the Wattage output is 600W higher on the APC Not sure if that is worth twice the price though. Ryan On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Mark, How much effort is involved in changing it over to the RV batteries? You need to use two of them because that is what the SU700 is setup for, right? It seems to do OK charging these batteries that are considerably larger than it was designed for? Is the SU700NET the cheapest APC that accepts the smartslot cards? I looked on EBay and only saw one listed, it was a buy-it-now for $25. (George, RV batteries used to be about $60 at Costco / WalMart. ) thanks! On November 12, at 2:42 PM November 12, Mark Nash wrote: I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Not much effort...about 20 minutes (after you know what you're doing). You take out the internal batteries and drill 2 holes in the case (missing the electronics, of course). I put in grommets where the #10 AWG wires enter the case. The rest is just connectors making the connections. You need to use 2 12v batteries because the APC uses 24v. I'll take photos of the next one I do (a few weeks). I'm not sure if they make smaller ones for the SNMP card??? I got the SU700NET because it would fit nicely in a 6-deep outdoor metal box. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Mark, How much effort is involved in changing it over to the RV batteries? You need to use two of them because that is what the SU700 is setup for, right? It seems to do OK charging these batteries that are considerably larger than it was designed for? Is the SU700NET the cheapest APC that accepts the smartslot cards? I looked on EBay and only saw one listed, it was a buy-it-now for $25. (George, RV batteries used to be about $60 at Costco / WalMart. ) thanks! On November 12, at 2:42 PM November 12, Mark Nash wrote: I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Oh man that would be nice if they had the capability of doing the battery backup as well. The APC SNMP card gives you e-mail notification (about 145 events if I remember correctly, AND power control (reboot via web/telnet script), but it powers off ALL receptacles and cannot do individuals. Sometimes you want that extra control, but at a remote site that only has one or two devices, it'll do to just reboot the whole site most of the time. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? George, don't forget the power control and auto ping... http://digital-loggers.com/EPCR2.html Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3 000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
$125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: h
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I don't know Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Gino, how does that differ from the ap9617? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I have not told you my source :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Just bought 5 of them on ebay for $50 each, including shipping. ;) Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: I have not told you my source :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
Are there any battery-backup systems like the surge-protector-style like http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=21, but with the SNMP card features? This would fit better in an outdoor enclosure. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
I just bough 50 for $500 with on site delivery by a girl in bikini :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Just bought 5 of them on ebay for $50 each, including shipping. ;) Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: I have not told you my source :-) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? And now you just created a bidding war on ebay for them... :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: $125 for the snmp card? We are buying the ap9606 for $50 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? UPS - $45 on ebay (buy one without batteries) SNMP card - $125 on ebay 2 batteries 2 outdoor battery compartments: $150-$175 (more, depending on battery quality). I get mine at Bimart. misc connectors wire $20 I had one site up for 36 hours with Trango Tlink, small switch, and Tranzeo AP. I thnk that's best-case-scenario. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? Not sure how much I need really. It's the downtime. This one pop has a trango, a wrap a metro and a cheap switch. Usually when it looses power it could be 24 hours or more. With your set up, how much do you pay including the 2 rv batteries and how long have you had for a power outage? I just ordered one of the cheapo generics for my house to check out. But generic usually leaves that feeling of uncertainty that makes me uneasy. Mark Nash wrote: George, are you really needing that much? 3KVA? Or is it the higher battery capacity you're wanting? I buy used APC Smart-UPS SU700NET from ebay, without batteries. Then I buy a couple RV batteries and hook them up (outside the enclosure, of course). I put in a AP9617 SNMP device and it gives me a little remote control w/e-mail notification. Doesn't do everything I want (PDU-ability to power off each receptacle individually, watchdog). On a remote site, it'll give anywhere from 12-24 hours depending on load whatchya got out there... Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Which UPS to use? I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org
