Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Radio Mobile was just recoded to work with WINE... it didn't for many years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Roger says it works under WINE very well. Mike Hammett wrote: Radio Mobile. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
60 GHz is worse than 80 GHz because of the oxygen in the air. Of course someone should ensure that they properly engineer their links and use the most appropriate device for that link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Getting the licence (light license) can be done more or less overnight. You pay a one time $1500 national license fee before you can directly order licenses, or you pay someone with a national license to pull it for you cheap. The individual link licenses are super cheap. However, I warn heavilly against using 60-80Ghz wireless, unless its absolutely necessary to ahve 1gb of throughput. People that use 80Ghz will swear behind it, to protect their purchasing decission. When its working, its working well. But there are many negatives to using it compared to say 18G-24Ghz gear. Not only are 80Ghz gear expensive still 2-3 times that of 18G-24Ghz, but it can be more costly to troubleshoot. Its hard to tell when a problem is a bad radio versus a radio that moved, or interference. People incorrectly think that millimenter wave does not have interference. A millimeter wave is highly refelective, and can actually go for many miles. The short distances claims are based mostly on rain fade. Millimeter wave also requires much more links in daisyy chained to gain longer distances, which brings in a higher probabilty of failure than a single radio to go that distance. Most miilimeter wave manufacturers boast their 9 reliabilty one 9 higher than it can actually deliver. Meaning you engineer for 4-9 and you get 3-9. I'm not saying that millimeter wave is not a good thing, I'm jsut saying that 24Ghz-18Ghz can usually offer a better value proposition. Very few people need over 300mbps, easilly doable by 18G-24Ghz. If a customer only needs less than 300 mbps, why not sell them a 300Mhz link that is super reliable, instead of a 1Gb link that they'll never use the potential of and have lots of maintenance issues? Plus what good does it do to have a last mile link (less than a mile) thats faster than the backhaul? Think about it, whats going to happen when you suspect a $30,000 GB radio is bad? Do you think they'll jsut send you a $30,000 radio over night? Are you going to keep a $30,000 spare on the shelf? Or pay a huge maintenance contract fee? 60-80Ghz gear has lots of potential for the future, but most of the manufacturers are still somewhat delusional, on its value, and over charge. I recommend looking into Licensed 11-24Ghz such as Dragonwave, Trango, or Cablefree for better value. We see a big need for 60-80Ghz for last mile links, that are for end user buildings. But for backbone, its still a bit risky. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
*nods* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results 80Ghz does have slightly better oxygen absorbance characteristics, so it can go about 25% farther. The purpose for 80Ghz in my mind is licensed protection. Because its licensed, you can find out who else in town has deployed, to rule out interference. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Your best bet is to get the specific vendors tool from the vendor- they all usually have their own link budget tool. Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jake VanDewater Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Yes.. That would be easy. This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Yes and yes they handle the license. Not sue if it was five days on the license for us, but if they are telling you five days then I'd believe it. The beamwidths are so tight on these links that the chances of you receiving or causing interference is almost nil. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jake VanDewater Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i'm Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Hi Cameron, You should be able to see 35MB from a VL-AU running version 4.x frimware. 32MB if running 3.x. It is not shaped by direction at the factory, you set up/down limits in the SU, or set it to wide open and then you shpould be able to utilize full rate up or download. The B100s are seeing actual 70-75MB (TCP/UDP) and are also not limited to direction and speed. And the unit is good for 80K packets per second. Mike At 11:11 PM 12/9/2007, you wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Radio Mobile. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Roger says it works under WINE very well. Mike Hammett wrote: Radio Mobile. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Does anyone have a standard link budget calculator they would recommend? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:15:59 -0500 CC: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree... This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Getting the licence (light license) can be done more or less overnight. You pay a one time $1500 national license fee before you can directly order licenses, or you pay someone with a national license to pull it for you cheap. The individual link licenses are super cheap. However, I warn heavilly against using 60-80Ghz wireless, unless its absolutely necessary to ahve 1gb of throughput. People that use 80Ghz will swear behind it, to protect their purchasing decission. When its working, its working well. But there are many negatives to using it compared to say 18G-24Ghz gear. Not only are 80Ghz gear expensive still 2-3 times that of 18G-24Ghz, but it can be more costly to troubleshoot. Its hard to tell when a problem is a bad radio versus a radio that moved, or interference. People incorrectly think that millimenter wave does not have interference. A millimeter wave is highly refelective, and can actually go for many miles. The short distances claims are based mostly on rain fade. Millimeter wave also requires much more links in daisyy chained to gain longer distances, which brings in a higher probabilty of failure than a single radio to go that distance. Most miilimeter wave manufacturers boast their 9 reliabilty one 9 higher than it can actually deliver. Meaning you engineer for 4-9 and you get 3-9. I'm not saying that millimeter wave is not a good thing, I'm jsut saying that 24Ghz-18Ghz can usually offer a better value proposition. Very few people need over 300mbps, easilly doable by 18G-24Ghz. If a customer only needs less than 300 mbps, why not sell them a 300Mhz link that is super reliable, instead of a 1Gb link that they'll never use the potential of and have lots of maintenance issues? Plus what good does it do to have a last mile link (less than a mile) thats faster than the backhaul? Think about it, whats going to happen when you suspect a $30,000 GB radio is bad? Do you think they'll jsut send you a $30,000 radio over night? Are you going to keep a $30,000 spare on the shelf? Or pay a huge maintenance contract fee? 60-80Ghz gear has lots of potential for the future, but most of the manufacturers are still somewhat delusional, on its value, and over charge. I recommend looking into Licensed 11-24Ghz such as Dragonwave, Trango, or Cablefree for better value. We see a big need for 60-80Ghz for last mile links, that are for end user buildings. But for backbone, its still a bit risky. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
80Ghz does have slightly better oxygen absorbance characteristics, so it can go about 25% farther. The purpose for 80Ghz in my mind is licensed protection. Because its licensed, you can find out who else in town has deployed, to rule out interference. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results I'd go 80 GHz over 60 GHz any day... better RF performance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jake VanDewater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Has anyone worked with the 80GHz licensed or 60GHz unlicensed gear from BridgeWave? They claim to be able to get the license work done pretty cheap in roughly 5 days. Thoughts? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:47:13 -0600 Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM
[WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out the 24GHz range, it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the dish size though. Dragonwave has a product in that range. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
What about Tranzeo? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out the 24GHz range, it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the dish size though. Dragonwave has a product in that range. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
