Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
I too will have to give props to Deliberant's support. We recently came in to several areas where a company had folded up shop after their USDA grant money ran out. They had 90% Deliberant gear and we were trying to re-use the customers current radios so there wouldn't be such an expense on these folks who were left holding the bag and no internet service available to them. To make a long story short - - Sharon (our Secretary, accountant, receptionist, install scheduler, tech support person, payroll dept, accounts receivable dept and mother of all my children) called Deliberant (specifically Caleb) who so graciously sent firmware and led het through the process of being able to reuse their radios. It goes a long way to these country folks who were already overcharged for these radios to NOT have to buy a new CPE or pay a large install fee when they have already been down that road. The former company had given wireless a black eye in these towns and Deliberants support helped the recover the wireless name when we were able to get them all back on line for a minimal $$ to the end user. Thanks Caleb!! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere. I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant) for a number of years. I have always been able to call him when I have an issue with a radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he always calls me back. Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten returned calls from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of this. I haven't found any company that has better customer service than Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from other companies, but it takes days for resolving an issue with the equipment. I do not have the time or patience for slow technical support. Or find out that I have to go further up the totum pole to get the next tier support. With Caleb...the buck stops with him. Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements. I am not telling you anything you do not already know if you have any history with this company. DSLbyAir, LLC --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Deliberant Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we can troubleshoot. When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will allow you to port forward. Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in improving our products. Thanks, Caleb === Caleb Knauer Deliberant
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Mac, Kick me off an email off list. joe dot miller at dslbyair dot com. I have a question for you. Did not mean to hi jack the thread. Joe --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 7:58 AM I too will have to give props to Deliberant's support. We recently came in to several areas where a company had folded up shop after their USDA grant money ran out. They had 90% Deliberant gear and we were trying to re-use the customers current radios so there wouldn't be such an expense on these folks who were left holding the bag and no internet service available to them. To make a long story short - - Sharon (our Secretary, accountant, receptionist, install scheduler, tech support person, payroll dept, accounts receivable dept and mother of all my children) called Deliberant (specifically Caleb) who so graciously sent firmware and led het through the process of being able to reuse their radios. It goes a long way to these country folks who were already overcharged for these radios to NOT have to buy a new CPE or pay a large install fee when they have already been down that road. The former company had given wireless a black eye in these towns and Deliberants support helped the recover the wireless name when we were able to get them all back on line for a minimal $$ to the end user. Thanks Caleb!! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere. I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant) for a number of years. I have always been able to call him when I have an issue with a radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he always calls me back. Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten returned calls from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of this. I haven't found any company that has better customer service than Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from other companies, but it takes days for resolving an issue with the equipment. I do not have the time or patience for slow technical support. Or find out that I have to go further up the totum pole to get the next tier support. With Caleb...the buck stops with him. Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements. I am not telling you anything you do not already know if you have any history with this company. DSLbyAir, LLC --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Deliberant Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
This does not exist on the old Deliberant radios. There is still an ssh interface but it does give you a Linux shell like the new ones do. I think this applies to everything before Ligo got involved with Deliberant. Tom DeReggi wrote: For those that don't know, Ligo also has a SSH interface, with Linux shell access. Its a real quick way to get radio stats and do tests. All using the standard tools Linux users are familiar with. For example ping, ps, iwconfig I completely forgot about it, until reminded tonight. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to head up that effort? I can certainly try to coordinate people, but I'm nowhere near qualified to run the show. I can take names with the best of 'em, though. (Anyone interested in contributing to a hypothetical wireless MIB standardization project, please contact me OFF-LIST, and I'll see if we have enough brains to make it happen.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. Matt Hardy wrote: Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Matt Jenkins wrote: You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. The standard interface traffic OIDs are there on most of the recent Ligo/Deliberant radios. Works automatically with The Dude and MRTG too. As for SNR and other RF stats, we'll probably have to wait for an updated firmware that supports these new MIBs (Matt said it'll be available soon). I'm looking forward to it. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Put a LigoPTP on a public IP and I'll whip us some quick cacti templates. -Eric Matt Jenkins wrote: You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. Matt Hardy wrote: Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Eric, Can you post them when you are done? --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:30 PM Put a LigoPTP on a public IP and I'll whip us some quick cacti templates. -Eric Matt Jenkins wrote: You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. Matt Hardy wrote: Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Wouldn't that require that the ligowave have those snmp strings available? Randy Joe Miller wrote: Eric, Can you post them when you are done? --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:30 PM Put a LigoPTP on a public IP and I'll whip us some quick cacti templates. -Eric Matt Jenkins wrote: You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. Matt Hardy wrote: Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
According to David Smith (list), their is no OID to support those features. Apparently, a future upgrade will support this. So no dice on the cacti templates just yet. Once it's available I could create some templates pretty quick...I just need access to the device. -Eric Joe Miller wrote: Eric, Can you post them when you are done? --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:30 PM Put a LigoPTP on a public IP and I'll whip us some quick cacti templates. -Eric Matt Jenkins wrote: You current software for the LigoPTP radios uses standard SNMP OIDs for traffic interfaces. At least it does in Cacti. I would really like to see Cacti templates for things like db, snr, etc. Matt Hardy wrote: Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
LOL We'll see. None of this is mission critical. But I promised feedback so there it is! On the one hand I love playing with new gear. Figuring things out etc. On the other hand, I've got too many customers out there now. I need gear that just works, intuitively, right out of the box. One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! Things are picking up again. 4 more installs to do this week (pretty good for how rural we are) and it's only Tuesday! I keep thinking we're going to saturate the market and things will slow down a bit. When that finally happens we should be able to make some money. These $1000++ fuel bills are no fun. Not for a one man shop! How are things out east? We don't hear much from you these days! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hey Marlon, Is it safe to say that you have some issues with this unit??? :-P Hope all is well -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this location worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP anymore (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of troubleshooting. Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect but I couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but not load. In router mode it works fine. Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get used. The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none needed (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the original Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the customer. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere. I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant) for a number of years. I have always been able to call him when I have an issue with a radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he always calls me back. Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten returned calls from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of this. I haven't found any company that has better customer service than Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from other companies, but it takes days for resolving an issue with the equipment. I do not have the time or patience for slow technical support. Or find out that I have to go further up the totum pole to get the next tier support. With Caleb...the buck stops with him. Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements. I am not telling you anything you do not already know if you have any history with this company. DSLbyAir, LLC --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Deliberant Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we can troubleshoot. When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will allow you to port forward. Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in improving our products. Thanks, Caleb === Caleb Knauer Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x 206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Cool. I've seen this happen over and over. Anyone remember how great Teletronics was back in the early days? Then there was SmartBridges, no Tranzeo. We're about due for a new company that's more focused on keeping us running well. (speaking of the Tranzeo/MT issues.) Stirring the pot, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Marlon, I have not used the units shipping from Deliberent yet, just the ones previously shipped from the Ligowave side, so not sure what firmware changes yours has. It is clear that Deliberent/Ligowave is making a transition on how they are aligning their product lines. But one thing I can tell you for sure is, Ligowave/Deliberent has an EXCELLENT support team. If something is not working as it should, they are usually willing to look at your config file, if you Email it to them, to either identify any errors with config, whether it was a code bug or misconfig. And if a code bug, they usually have it fixed ASAP. I can also tell you their hardware has been rock solid, down to the pigtail, for us. As for the slow software problem yes, its a big problem. Not so much for configuring, but when your customers are down and troubleshooting under fire.. :-( It would have been the death of the product, if it wasn't addressed. But from what I hear the new Flex backend under Beta is the answer. Unfortunately, still software in development. But I'm eager to see what they come up with. There are so many upsides to this company. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hey Marlon, Is it safe to say that you have some issues with this unit??? :-P Hope all is well -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this location worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP anymore (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of troubleshooting. Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect but I couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but not load. In router mode it works fine. Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get used. The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none needed (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the original Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the customer. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Trango gear doesn't use the standard MIBs for interface traffic, for instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or average SNR. If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
So far the unit has been connected for 16 hours. The Tranzeos have made it for a whole 19 hours! We'll see if the Deliberant makes it past the point that the Tranzeo's all drop off. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Caleb Knauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Deliberant Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we can troubleshoot. When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will allow you to port forward. Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in improving our products. Thanks, Caleb === Caleb Knauer Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x 206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this location worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP anymore (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of troubleshooting. Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect but I couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but not load. In router mode it works fine. Router mode has no port forwarding options
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to head up that effort? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Trango gear doesn't use the standard MIBs for interface traffic, for instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or average SNR. If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to head up that effort? I can certainly try to coordinate people, but I'm nowhere near qualified to run the show. I can take names with the best of 'em, though. (Anyone interested in contributing to a hypothetical wireless MIB standardization project, please contact me OFF-LIST, and I'll see if we have enough brains to make it happen.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
WOW! Marlon, hire David, He gets results, fast ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hi David, A couple of responses :) I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. A few customers have requested these stats be exposed via SNMP, so we have now added a couple of custom MIBs to the software that provide information not found in the standard 802.11 SNMP MIBs (such as association count, signal level, etc). This should be available soon (For both LigoWave and Deliberant) If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. We'd be happy to work together with other vendors and provide a more standardized wireless stats MIB as an extension to the 802.11 MIB for standards based stats (receive signal level, noise level, etc). Best Regards, ? Matt Hardy LigoWave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Note: What is standard? Trango is not standard 802.11, it is a proprietary product. Therefore its appropriate that its MIBs may not be 802.11 standard MIBs. I'm not saying that it is not good for vendors to standardize. But manufacturers may have a larger goal such as backward compatibility to their pre-existing proprietary platform. It would really stink, for someone that wrote a bunch of tools to a set of MIBS, and then have to redo all the work because the MIBs changed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: One of my biggest pet peeves is that there is no standard first IP address for units. Tranzeo uses 192.168.1.100, Deliberant is using 192.168.2.66, Teletronics is 192.168.0.240, SmartBridges used 192.168.0.24 or .22, and the list goes on and on. They also all use different out of the box passwords. It would sure make MY life easier if these two main items were standardized! I'd be happy if more vendors would standardize on SNMP, at the very least, and ideally export things like signal (and/or SNR) in a usable way. Trango gear doesn't use the standard MIBs for interface traffic, for instance (at least my older gear doesn't), so I can't easily graph throughput like I can with everything else in my network. Ligowave doesn't export signal levels anywhere in their (very minimal) MIB, instead asking you to use their proprietary software. Mikrotik makes some things tricky without their proprietary software, but at least it (The Dude) is free, and fairly handy for other things as well. Everyone that does bridged interfaces, there are quirks with bridge traffic counters (but I think that's a quirk in the underlying OS, since almost everyone just builds their stuff atop Linux and I've seen it do the same things). There's no unified way of monitoring, say, number of associations to an AP in a PtMP setup, or average SNR. If you want to win my undying affection, get a couple dozen vendors to adopt a unified wireless MIB structure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Note: What is standard? Trango is not standard 802.11, it is a proprietary product. Therefore its appropriate that its MIBs may not be 802.11 standard MIBs. I'm not saying that it is not good for vendors to standardize. But manufacturers may have a larger goal such as backward compatibility to their pre-existing proprietary platform. It would really stink, for someone that wrote a bunch of tools to a set of MIBS, and then have to redo all the work because the MIBs changed. My theory is that there will be plenty of things that are generic enough that it won't matter whether you're using real-802.11, modified-802.11, or some other proprietary system. Just about any radio link will have a signal level and a noise level, for instance. Just about any radio link will have a center frequency and a channel width. Hopefully, every radio interface will be passing traffic (that sort of thing is trackable easily enough on a per-client basis, but many APs in PtMP systems don't give you an easy way to monitor throughput to each individual client from the AP). And those are just things off the top of my head, that various radios in my network don't export in some manner. There are probably plenty of other things that are fairly common in any radio link, and I'm really hoping to just put together a nice simple standardized way for any given wireless vendor to make sure they've covered all the stuff that WISPs need to manage effectively their networks. There's no reason that Trango, or any other vendor, can't continue to offer these statistics under their own private enterprise MIBs too in addition to some hypothetical WISPA MIB. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
For those that don't know, Ligo also has a SSH interface, with Linux shell access. Its a real quick way to get radio stats and do tests. All using the standard tools Linux users are familiar with. For example ping, ps, iwconfig I completely forgot about it, until reminded tonight. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: H, sounds like a good project for a wispa committee to work on. Care to head up that effort? I can certainly try to coordinate people, but I'm nowhere near qualified to run the show. I can take names with the best of 'em, though. (Anyone interested in contributing to a hypothetical wireless MIB standardization project, please contact me OFF-LIST, and I'll see if we have enough brains to make it happen.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this location worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP anymore (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of troubleshooting. Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect but I couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but not load. In router mode it works fine. Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get used. The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none needed (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the original Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the customer. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
Hey Marlon, I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists to answer your questions and make some things clearer, as there are some points of confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now and going forward) on our part. Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. Originally our new CPE offerings were going to be launched on the Ligowave side of the house, but we decided to move all of the standards (802.11) stuff to Deliberant and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP, Mesh) solutions. The first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC stickers as the updated Deliberant ones were not available yet, hence the different stickers. Everything now has Deliberant stickers on them. VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down, you are correct. HPOL is with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated 90*). Confusing, yes, and the stickers should be here soon. We do need to add the instructions for the cat5 connector and the support number to the quick start guide. The first one is always the trickiest! The support number is the main number at 800-742-9865, and it is open 9-5 Eastern. My direct extension is in my signature. We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex backend that is much faster. We have a beta available, so contact me offlist if you are interested. RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically the difference between received signal and the noise floor. So if you have an RSSI value of 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and what you are receiving. We have plans to add the actual received level (in dB) to the Status page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey on the Tools page you can see the levels there as well. Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. Shoot me your IP info offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local network segment, etc) and we can troubleshoot. When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab should appear that will allow you to port forward. Any other questions, please feel free to ping me offlist or give me a ring at my number and extension in my signature. We appreciate the feedback and look forward to your (and everyone else's) assistance in improving our products. Thanks, Caleb === Caleb Knauer Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x 206 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave Hi All, I just installed my first radio from these guys. (Anyone know if it's the same company) I'm tossing out my very first thoughts as I'm still at the customer's location, this is as raw as it'll get. First thing I noticed was a box that said Deliberant and a radio that said LigoWave. Probably the same company but it would be nice if the stickers matched. Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it. My guess of vertical being all stickers and connectors down seems to be correct. Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor connector together. I've done them before so I knew which way to put that tapered gasket in, but my first time I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right. No tech support phone number in the manual. If it's there I couldn't find it. The interface is slow. Definitely God's gift to the hourly wage guy. I'm trying this unit at a location that runs VPN and VoIP out of a home office. Ever since I installed an MT AP her Tranzeo CPQ unit does the disconnect thing and drops her calls and connections. Speeds are good, pings are good etc. But stuff just don't work. A Ubiquity at this location worked just fine till it decided it wasn't going to listen to the AP anymore (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo CPE unit had -65ish). This unit has a 40rssi. Whatever THAT means. I sure hate those random signal level meters. Give me the dB so that I can do a better job of troubleshooting. Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge mode. It would connect but I couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to go. Web pages would start but not load. In router mode it works fine. Router mode has no port forwarding options. Not an issue this time, but without a working bridge mode I'll have to be careful where they get used. The hardware was easy to set up. No instructions offered, but none needed (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be there). Speeds are good. Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up. Just like the original Tranzeo CPQ radio gives. Now to see if it'll stay connected and give stable service to the customer. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
