Mac,

Kick me off an email off list. joe dot miller at dslbyair dot com. I have a 
question for you. 

Did not mean to hi jack the thread.

Joe


--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 7:58 AM
> I too will have to give "props" to
> Deliberant's support. 
> 
>   We recently came in to several areas where a company had
> folded up shop
> after their USDA grant money ran out. They had 90%
> Deliberant gear and we
> were trying to re-use the customers current radios so there
> wouldn't be such
> an expense on these folks who were left "holding the
> bag" and no internet
> service available to them. To make a long story short - -
> Sharon (our
> Secretary, accountant, receptionist, install scheduler,
> tech support person,
> payroll dept, accounts receivable dept and mother of all my
> children) called
> Deliberant (specifically Caleb) who so graciously sent
> firmware and led het
> through the process of being able to reuse their radios. It
> goes a long way
> to these country folks who were already overcharged for
> these radios to NOT
> have to buy a new CPE or pay a large install fee when they
> have already been
> down that road. The former company had given
> "wireless" a black eye in these
> towns and Deliberants support helped the recover the
> wireless name when we
> were able to get them all back on line for a minimal $$ to
> the end user.
> 
> Thanks Caleb!!
> 
> 
> Mac Dearman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Joe Miller
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:03 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
> > 
> > I knew Caleb was lurking around here somewhere.
> > 
> > I have been buying equipment from Caleb (Deliberant)
> for a number of
> > years. I have always been able to call him when I have
> an issue with a
> > radio. If I leave a messege on his voice mail, he
> always calls me back.
> > Even if it is after his business hours, I have gotten
> returned calls
> > from Caleb. I have stayed with this company because of
> this. I haven't
> > found any company that has better customer service
> than
> > Deliberant/Ligowave. I have bought equipment from
> other companies, but
> > it takes days for resolving an issue with the
> equipment. I do not have
> > the time or patience for slow technical support. Or
> find out that I
> > have to go further up the totum pole to get the next
> tier support. With
> > Caleb...the buck stops with him.
> > 
> > Disclaimer: I have not been paid for these statements.
> I am not telling
> > you anything you do not already know if you have any
> history with this
> > company.
> > 
> > DSLbyAir, LLC
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Caleb Knauer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Caleb Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
> > > To: "WISPA General List"
> <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: "Deliberant Support"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:30 PM
> > > Hey Marlon,
> > >
> > > I wanted to reply to this to you and on the lists
> to answer
> > > your
> > > questions and make some things clearer, as there
> are some
> > > points of
> > > confusion that can definitely be cleared up (now
> and going
> > > forward) on
> > > our part.
> > >
> > > Deliberant and Ligowave are sister companies. 
> Originally
> > > our new CPE
> > > offerings were going to be launched on the
> Ligowave side of
> > > the house,
> > > but we decided to move all of the standards
> (802.11) stuff
> > > to Deliberant
> > > and focus Ligowave on the proprietary (PTP, PTMP,
> Mesh)
> > > solutions.  The
> > > first round of gear shipped with the Ligowave FCC
> stickers
> > > as the
> > > updated Deliberant ones were not available yet,
> hence the
> > > different
> > > stickers.  Everything now has Deliberant stickers
> on them.
> > >
> > >
> > > VPOL is with the cat5 connector pointing down,
> you are
> > > correct.  HPOL is
> > > with the cat5 connector to the side (rotated
> 90*).
> > > Confusing, yes, and
> > > the stickers should be here soon.
> > >
> > > We do need to add the instructions for the cat5
> connector
> > > and the
> > > support number to the quick start guide.  The
> first one is
> > > always the
> > > trickiest!
> > >
> > > The support number is the main number at
> 800-742-9865, and
> > > it is open
> > > 9-5 Eastern.  My direct extension is in my
> signature.
> > >
> > > We are completely overhauling the GUI with a Flex
> backend
> > > that is much
> > > faster.  We have a beta available, so contact me
> offlist if
> > > you are
> > > interested.
> > >
> > > RSSI value listed on the Status page is basically
> the
> > > difference between
> > > received signal and the noise floor.  So if you
> have an
> > > RSSI value of
> > > 40, there is 40dB between the noise floor and
> what you are
> > > receiving.
> > > We have plans to add the actual received level
> (in dB) to
> > > the Status
> > > page soon, and until then if you do a Site Survey
> on the
> > > Tools page you
> > > can see the levels there as well.
> > >
> > > Bridge mode should work, but I have some ideas. 
> Shoot me
> > > your IP info
> > > offlist (radio, gateway, rest of the local
> network segment,
> > > etc) and we
> > > can troubleshoot.
> > >
> > > When you enable Router mode, a Firewall tab
> should appear
> > > that will
> > > allow you to port forward.
> > >
> > > Any other questions, please feel free to ping me
> offlist or
> > > give me a
> > > ring at my number and extension in my signature. 
> We
> > > appreciate the
> > > feedback and look forward to your (and everyone
> else's)
> > > assistance in
> > > improving our products.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caleb
> > >
> > > ===================
> > > Caleb Knauer
> > > Deliberant LLC
> > >
> > > 800.742.9865 x 206
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://www.deliberant.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:35 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] deliberant/ligowave
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I just installed my first radio from these guys. 
> (Anyone
> > > know if it's
> > > the
> > > same company????)  I'm tossing out my very
> first
> > > thoughts as I'm still
> > > at
> > > the customer's location, this is as raw as
> it'll
> > > get.
> > >
> > > First thing I noticed was a box that said
> Deliberant and a
> > > radio that
> > > said
> > > LigoWave.  Probably the same company but it would
> be nice
> > > if the
> > > stickers
> > > matched.
> > >
> > > Next, no polarity marking of any kind on it.  My
> guess of
> > > vertical being
> > > all
> > > stickers and connectors down seems to be correct.
> > >
> > > Nothing tells you how to put the outdoor
> connector
> > > together.  I've done
> > > them
> > > before so I knew which way to put that tapered
> gasket in,
> > > but my first
> > > time
> > > I'm not sure I'd have gotten it right.
> > >
> > > No tech support phone number in the manual.  If
> it's
> > > there I couldn't
> > > find
> > > it.
> > >
> > > The interface is slow.  Definitely God's gift
> to the
> > > hourly wage guy.
> > >
> > > I'm trying this unit at a location that runs
> VPN and
> > > VoIP out of a home
> > > office.  Ever since I installed an MT AP her
> Tranzeo CPQ
> > > unit does the
> > > disconnect thing and drops her calls and
> connections.
> > > Speeds are good,
> > > pings are good etc.  But stuff just don't
> work.  A
> > > Ubiquity at this
> > > location
> > > worked just fine till it decided it wasn't
> going to
> > > listen to the AP
> > > anymore
> > > (-90 or worse rssi when the replacement Tranzeo
> CPE unit
> > > had -65ish).
> > >
> > > This unit has a 40rssi.  Whatever THAT means.  I
> sure hate
> > > those random
> > > signal level meters.  Give me the dB so that I
> can do a
> > > better job of
> > > troubleshooting.
> > >
> > > Never did get this unit to pass data in bridge
> mode.  It
> > > would connect
> > > but I
> > > couldn't get more than 1 ping at a time to
> go.  Web
> > > pages would start
> > > but
> > > not load.  In router mode it works fine.
> > >
> > > Router mode has no port forwarding options.  Not
> an issue
> > > this time, but
> > >
> > > without a working bridge mode I'll have to be
> careful
> > > where they get
> > > used.
> > >
> > > The hardware was easy to set up.  No instructions
> offered,
> > > but none
> > > needed
> > > (other than the polarity sticker that needs to be
> there).
> > >
> > > Speeds are good.  Seeing 7 to 9 megs down and up.
>  Just
> > > like the
> > > original
> > > Tranzeo CPQ radio gives.
> > >
> > > Now to see if it'll stay connected and give
> stable
> > > service to the
> > > customer.
> > >
> > > laters,
> > > marlon
> > >
> > >
> > >
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