Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A24.33368420]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
I agree re the rural. Open Range though is a bad example. They were a crap organization from the get go, building solely to turn a buck. It was always to BS story to those of us with half a brain. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A26.02262C80]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A26.02262C80]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
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No, not unless they were idiots. You never heard it from me. LTE won. Game over. Some of us expected it. , that awareness said nothing about the solution qualitatively. It was always a fine solution; it is just the business model was too blissfully utopian. Are you really trying to debate the point? I not interested in re-hashing old history or giving a master's level lecture in why WiMAX failed, to be blunt (aren't I always). Guys like me were not bystanders to it, we were party to it (vetoed parties I might add), some of us from literally day 1. You won't see me debating you about how to set up your Powercode or the like. I'm self aware to know what I don't know. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A36.1FB0C8E0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz
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Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch
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But at the time it was WiMAX is taking over the world because it was a standard and there were tons of people showing up. Yes, I did have a WiMAX phone and it was pretty awesome where they built coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:18:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure
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Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now it's pretty much gone in 2014. You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11 nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
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Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20
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If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini
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Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some
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Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the Internet... On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M*727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote
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The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is worldwide as well with many carriers going LTE as their new data network. Wimax was never fully adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is. I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards and the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts as well but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new LTE releases coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I suggest other operators do their research as well instead of just replying with childish answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine and complain about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what we're talking about. This technology is working for operators who are using it so please continue to do more research as we hear from more people deploying it and then ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the Internet... On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wispawirel...@ics-il.net'); wrote: If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrick.le...@telrad.com'); wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrick.le...@telrad.com'); wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted
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That's not what I said. Not remotely. I said LTE will dominate outdoor at range like Wi-Fi dominates the WLAN. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Dec 17, 2014 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now it's pretty much gone in 2014. You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11 nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
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The GSM carriers chose HSDPA for a while until that didn't really pan out. Verizon was the first to LTE, but the last to 4G, IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is worldwide as well with many carriers going LTE as their new data network. Wimax was never fully adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is. I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards and the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts as well but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new LTE releases coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I suggest other operators do their research as well instead of just replying with childish answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine and complain about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what we're talking about. This technology is working for operators who are using it so please continue to do more research as we hear from more people deploying it and then ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the Internet... On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: blockquote Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA
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At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE, and WiMAX had better characteristics for power consumption and other 'greenfield' factors, but LTE was the pathway for GSM operators, so almost all of the mobile operators in Europe committed to it, and the Verizon Wireless co-owner at the time, Vodafone, would have influenced the decision greatly. Lower deployment costs to upgrade existing networks and existing vendor relationships with the GSM manufacturers made the decision easy. Now imagine if Cambium and Ubiquiti announced LTE gear tomorrow? I bet quite a few members here would look at it. Daniel Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote .. Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
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+1 Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote .. The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is worldwide as well with many carriers going LTE as their new data network. Wimax was never fully adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is. I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards and the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts as well but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new LTE releases coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I suggest other operators do their research as well instead of just replying with childish answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine and complain about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what we're talking about. This technology is working for operators who are using it so please continue to do more research as we hear from more people deploying it and then ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com wrote: Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the Internet... On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wispawirel...@ics-il.net'); wrote: If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrick.le...@telrad.com'); wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org'); *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrick.le...@telrad.com'); wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much
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Lol Ubnt LTE :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 10:25 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE, and WiMAX had better characteristics for power consumption and other 'greenfield' factors, but LTE was the pathway for GSM operators, so almost all of the mobile operators in Europe committed to it, and the Verizon Wireless co-owner at the time, Vodafone, would have influenced the decision greatly. Lower deployment costs to upgrade existing networks and existing vendor relationships with the GSM manufacturers made the decision easy. Now imagine if Cambium and Ubiquiti announced LTE gear tomorrow? I bet quite a few members here would look at it. Daniel Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote .. Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL [image: Image removed by sender.] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: Image removed by sender.] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions [image: Image removed by sender.] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343
