Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
The power from the controller to the radio board is essentially the battery power. So with full battery it's about 13.4V and it takes about 26 hours at 3.5W to reach 11.1V. This is a gradual voltage slope so you could set a warning at 11.5V and you'd have some time to take some action. At 11.1V the controller turns off the power to the radio in order to keep the battery from over discharging. If discharge batteries too much it reduces the life of batteries. If you want to run at lower battery voltages, you can add one of our TP-DCDC-1218 or TP-DCDC-1224 DCDC or TP-DCDC-1248 DC to DC Converters between the battery and the radio board. These units will give regulated 18V or 24V or 48V DC voltage from inputs as low as 9V. They have a built in POE inserter and 2 isolated power inputs. Scott Tycon Power -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe the newer boards can't report temp but can report power over SNMP. If I didn't understand Scott incorrectly the power supplied out from the controller is stabilized so you will either work or your dead. So to use DC voltage report you would need a separate board feeding directly of the battery and as power on the battery start to drain your NMS would have to trigger on a low voltage problem. There is another issue here.. That is that the UPS battery is 12V and most RB dies or fail when the power goes under 11V. So the window of opportunity would be very small. Or am I missing something here? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over 10 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not including bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are trying to engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. Its funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's and ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro guys do. Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total, however even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus transport for around 50.00 a meg or less. Its the burden of being a rural isp. Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 bucks a month, and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying YOU for service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service (regardless of the reason), then it's your fault. In our regional area, the ABC affiliate stopped selling to DISH Network last year over the contract price. So if you had DISH (which I did), you could no longer get ABC at all. This went on for over 6 months. Do you think everyone was mad at ABC or DISH? DISH is the
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.htmlhttp://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di%0Ae_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over 10 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not including bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are trying to engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. Its funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's and ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro guys do. Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total, however even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus transport for
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over 10 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not including bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are trying to engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. Its funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's and ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro guys do. Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total, however even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus transport for around 50.00 a meg or less. Its the burden of being a rural isp. Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 bucks a month, and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying YOU for service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service (regardless of the reason), then it's your fault. In our regional area, the ABC affiliate
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. The relay connects to the AC and is closed when the AC is high (i.e. there is contact when the power is on). Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a loopback There's no need for switches, routers, Bullets, or any other piece of equipment. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
Must say that is a pretty cleaver idea. Well worth investigating and testing out. Then on the MT you just look to see if Ethernet link is up or down (ie relay is closed or open). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. The relay connects to the AC and is closed when the AC is high (i.e. there is contact when the power is on). Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a loopback There's no need for switches, routers, Bullets, or any other piece of equipment. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial
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You couldn't set a IP on it. At least not with any Linux based AP like MikroTik. If you assign an IP to an interface it will always ping as long as the host board is up and running no matter if you have a Ethernet link or not. But setting on MikroTik disable-running-check=no on that interface would show if you had a link or not and a script could detect if the link went down or came back up again based on the status of the interface. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Yes, you can look if it's up/down. Or, put an IP on it, and ping the IP. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Must say that is a pretty cleaver idea. Well worth investigating and testing out. Then on the MT you just look to see if Ethernet link is up or down (ie relay is closed or open). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. The relay connects to the AC and is closed when the AC is high (i.e. there is contact when the power is on). Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a loopback There's no need for switches, routers, Bullets, or any other piece of equipment. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load
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You're right. I think this was b0rk3n on older versions of MikroTik. When the interface was down, the IP would not reply. But it'd take all of 30 seconds to write a SNMP script to monitor up/down and send an alert. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You couldn't set a IP on it. At least not with any Linux based AP like MikroTik. If you assign an IP to an interface it will always ping as long as the host board is up and running no matter if you have a Ethernet link or not. But setting on MikroTik disable-running-check=no on that interface would show if you had a link or not and a script could detect if the link went down or came back up again based on the status of the interface. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Yes, you can look if it's up/down. Or, put an IP on it, and ping the IP. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Must say that is a pretty cleaver idea. Well worth investigating and testing out. Then on the MT you just look to see if Ethernet link is up or down (ie relay is closed or open). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. The relay connects to the AC and is closed when the AC is high (i.e. there is contact when the power is on). Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a loopback There's no need for switches, routers, Bullets, or any other piece of equipment. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool
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2009/8/1 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com: Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... The 433 does. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The RB411's I have been purchasing show input voltage under /system health. John Eje Gustafsson wrote: I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe the newer boards can't report temp but can report power over SNMP. If I didn't understand Scott incorrectly the power supplied out from the controller is stabilized so you will either work or your dead. So to use DC voltage report you would need a separate board feeding directly of the battery and as power on the battery start to drain your NMS would have to trigger on a low voltage problem. There is another issue here.. That is that the UPS battery is 12V and most RB dies or fail when the power goes under 11V. So the window of opportunity would be very small. Or am I missing something here? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless
