You're right. I think this was b0rk3n on older versions of MikroTik. When the interface was down, the IP would not reply.
But it'd take all of 30 seconds to write a SNMP script to monitor up/down and send an alert. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Eje Gustafsson <[email protected]> wrote: > You couldn't set a IP on it. At least not with any Linux based AP like > MikroTik. If you assign an IP to an interface it will always ping as long > as > the host board is up and running no matter if you have a Ethernet link or > not. > But setting on MikroTik disable-running-check=no on that interface would > show if you had a link or not and a script could detect if the link went > down or came back up again based on the status of the interface. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:38 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 > > Yes, you can look if it's up/down. Or, put an IP on it, and ping the IP. > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Must say that is a pretty cleaver idea. Well worth investigating and > > testing > > out. > > Then on the MT you just look to see if Ethernet link is up or down (ie > > relay > > is closed or open). > > > > / Eje > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:28 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 > > > > You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. > > > > The relay connects to the AC and is "closed" when the AC is "high" (i.e. > > there is contact when the power is on). > > > > Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a > > "loopback" > > > > There's no need for switches, routers, Bullets, or any other piece of > > equipment. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eje Gustafsson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC > > that > > > is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs > > > secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the > > > interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger > on > > > it. > > > > > > The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over > > the > > > Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet > > port > > > at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a > > RB). > > > If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup > so > > > you > > > have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and > ether2/3 > > on > > > the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned > ip > > > in > > > same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the > > two > > > devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch > > > goes > > > down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network > > > monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose > > built > > > link. > > > > > > In either setup this requires a piece of "throwaway" equipment that is > > > designed to go down when AC power fails. > > > This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based > > with > > > or without an ip assigned to it. > > > If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then > the > > > UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack > of > > > Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip > > > assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping > this > > > device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or > > > dumb > > > it is. > > > > > > / Eje > > > CTO > > > WISP-Router, Inc. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > > Behalf Of Jayson Baker > > > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 > > > > > > Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or > whatever), > > > and > > > wire one port as a loopback through a relay. > > > The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC > went > > > off. > > > If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the > DC > > > voltage was high/low. > > > > > > Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, > > you > > > can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. > > > > > > It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. > > > > > > Jayson > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The > controller > > > is > > > > powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to > monitor > > > the > > > > battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling > > when > > > > they might come up with a solution. > > > > > > > > I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not > > cheap. > > > > http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html > > > > http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html > > > > > > > > Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe > > measurement > > > > of > > > > DC voltage. > > > > One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with > > > your > > > > Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti > device) > > > and > > > > either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. > In > > > full > > > > TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the > > > > transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not > in > > > > their > > > > datasheet just the 4watt number. > > > > Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very > cheap > > > > price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their > MiniStation > > > but > > > > then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a > > > > credit > > > > card. > > > > > > > > / Eje > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > > > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or > > > > isitgettingbetter? > > > > > > > > Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has > my > > > name > > > > written all over it :-) > > > > It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, > > > > industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs > > > > > > > > While on topic...Anyone know..... > > > > > > > > Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to > > equipment > > > if > > > > the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). > > > > > > > > Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, > if > > a > > > > breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates > an > > > > outage, if you don;t know power was cut. > > > > One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, > > and > > > > plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device > > to > > > > tell when power is down. > > > > Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and > > may > > > > draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of > > teh > > > > Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or > > > > something, to help with that? > > > > > > > > Tom DeReggi > > > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or > > > > isitgettingbetter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone sells those on this list... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di > > > > > > > e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html< > > > http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12- > > > > > 9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di%0Ae_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html< > > http://www.wl > > > > > > anparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-%0A9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di%0Ae_Cast_ > > Enclosure_12V_9AH.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > > > Suite 1337 > > > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > however > > > > > improbable, must be the truth." > > > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Ryan, > > > > >> > > > > >> I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. > > > > >> > > > > >> But does your customer know that? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Tom DeReggi > > > > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > > > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Ryan Ghering" <[email protected]> > > > > >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > > > >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is > > > > >> itgettingbetter? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 > costs > > > > over > > > > >> 10 > > > > >> > grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( > not > > > > >> > including > > > > >> > bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We > are > > > > >> > trying > > > > >> > to > > > > >> > engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do > > so. > > > > >> > Its > > > > >> > funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we > > WISP's > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as > > Metro > > > > >> > guys > > > > >> > do. > > > > >> > Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg > total, > > > > >> however > > > > >> > even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth > plus > > > > >> > transport > > > > >> > for around 50.00 a meg or less. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Its the burden of being a rural isp. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 > bucks > > a > > > > >> > month, > > > > >> > and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world > > > lol.... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Ryan > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying > > YOU > > > > for > > > > >> >> service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service > > (regardless > > > of > > > > >> the > > > > >> >> reason), then it's your fault. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> In our regional area, the ABC affiliate stopped selling to DISH > > > > >> >> Network > > > > >> >> last year over the contract price. So if you had DISH (which I > > > did), > > > > >> >> you > > > > >> >> could no longer get ABC at all. This went on for over 6 months. > > Do > > > > you > > > > >> >> think > > > > >> >> everyone was mad at ABC or DISH? DISH is the one that had to > > start > > > > >> giving > > > > >> >> credits and take all the phone calls. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> You HAVE to have at least two separate upstreams or you are > just > > > > >> >> asking > > > > >> >> for > > > > >> >> these kind of problems. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Travis > > > > >> >> Microserv > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Ryan Ghering wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest > > > > killed > > > > >> >> our > > > > >> >> ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another > ATM > > > > PVC. > > > > >> >> (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done). > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they > > need > > > > >> >> their > > > > >> >> net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this > isn't > > a > > > > >> issue > > > > >> >> with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on > for > > > the > > > > >> >> day. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated > 3 > > > meg > > > > >> >> calls > > > > >> >> up and asks, "Are you down" I say yes at this time the internet > > is > > > > >> >> down > > > > >> >> due > > > > >> >> to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says "ok, do > you > > > have > > > > >> >> an > > > > >> >> ETA?" I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest > > not > > > > >> >> with > > > > >> >> us. > > > > >> >> Customer says "ok thanks" and hangs up. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's > > mad > > > > as > > > > >> >> hell > > > > >> >> and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had > said. > > > But > > > > >> >> it > > > > >> >> sounded like. "Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO > > issues > > > > >> >> anywhere. > > > > >> >> I want my ****** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye > > a**hole.." > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer ) > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. > > And > > > > >> >> will > > > > >> >> get > > > > >> >> service from somewhere else. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> How can this be? How was this my fault? > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Customers are irrational and stupid.. Agreed. lol.... > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Ryan > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer < > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> roflol > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Rick this is a GOOD thing.... Your customers call you for all > > > > >> >> problems > > > > >> >> because YOU WILL ANSWER THE PHONE!!!!!! > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Sometimes great service levels suck. lol > > > > >> >> marlon > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >> From: "Rick Kunze" <[email protected]> < > [email protected]> > > > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> < > > [email protected]> > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:40 PM > > > > >> >> Subject: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is it > > > > >> >> gettingbetter? > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Customer calls just now. They ask if the Internet is "having > > > > >> >> trouble", > > > > >> >> I reply that there are no outages. She then says she called a > > > couple > > > > >> >> of > > > > >> >> her friends in neighboring towns and they were all down too. > She > > > > asks > > > > >> >> if any other people have called today with problems. 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