Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Tower lighting is Regulated by the FCC, and I don't think they will change the way they regulate towering lighting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Asking politely often works wonders. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Yeahbut, I don't believe strobes are mandated. I think red obstruction lighting is always an option. American towers used white strobes in lots of rural areas around here. All the broadcasters are still red. If it really bugged me, I would offer to pay for the conversion to red if they would do it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the strobes might last longer, but with LED edison base bulb replacements, that might not be an issue any longer. You mention an EA. If there was an EA, visual resource management plans are sometimes part of the EA. If you have a VRMP for that area, you might get a copy and become familiar with it. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Tower lighting is Regulated by the FCC, and I don't think they will change the way they regulate towering lighting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I will say, as a pilot, I do appreciate the white strobes during the day. - Original Message - From: Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I will say, as a pilot, I do appreciate the white strobes during the day. - Original Message - From: Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting We had the same thing about a mile from us. A couple of the neighbors called the tower owner. They changed it to white strobes during the day and red lights after dusk controlled by a sensor. I did not ask the neighbors how much trouble it was, but the change happened pretty quickly so I assume not much. Ken Chipps chris cooper wrote: Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1381 - Release Date: 4/16/2008 9:34 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Over 200 they have to light. That is for certain. But I have seen taller that were lit with strobes and not painted. - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
And actually, the bit about over 200 you HAVE to light has exceptions. You can ask for an exception if the tower is close to a taller tower that is lit. It has to be very close. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Over 200 they have to light. That is for certain. But I have seen taller that were lit with strobes and not painted. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
But if you don't strobe in day do you have to paint? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I would not guess that the issue is the strobe during the day, but the issue would be the strobe at night. Leaving the strobe, and changing it to a dual mode system is do-able, and will not require the tower to be painted. If they have an issue with the strobe during the day, they need to get to Walmart and purchase a life. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Correct. In order to not paint, you have to strobe the tower during the day. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting But if you don't strobe in day do you have to paint? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Nope. Thats untrue. You can elect to strobe the tower during the day, and use either the white strobe or red lights during night, and NOT have to paint the tower, even if over 200 feet. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I use to build communications towers for a living, and what you say about the strobe is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Rick Harnish wrote: My understanding (no research done) is that if there are strobe lights installed, the towers do not have to be painted red/white. Therefore, many tower companies are installing strobes to cut down on maintenance (painting) of their towers. A night/day system which incorporates strobes during the day and red lights at night should be adequate since no one can see the red/white paint at night anyways. Over a certain height they have to be painted, no matter what (according to our local AM tower tech). I think it's around 200 feet. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
haha, nice comment there at the end... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting I would not guess that the issue is the strobe during the day, but the issue would be the strobe at night. Leaving the strobe, and changing it to a dual mode system is do-able, and will not require the tower to be painted. If they have an issue with the strobe during the day, they need to get to Walmart and purchase a life. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting The problem with changing the strobe is that they will have to then paint the tower for daytime operations. This is the seven segment orange and white pattern typically. Most tower owners don't want to do this because painting the tower is a pain and repainting is a somewhat subjective requirement based on how visible the existing color still is. The people in the neighborhood need to decide if they want to look at the strobe or the paint before they start to do much of anything in the way of asking the tower owner. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] tower lighting Does anyone know if there is a process/procedure at the commission that citizens can engage to get a tower owner to change their lighting? There is a new cell tower in my area (rural) that has white strobes that is impacting the viewshed in the area. I know that the owner can amend their EA, but that's about it. The neighbors are asking me what can be done and I honestly don't know. Any pointers much appreciated. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Finally!! Some closure. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting Okay, here are the rules from the source: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular .nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21/$FILE/AC70_7460_1K.pdf Generally, towers over 200' or that rise above a projected plane of protection (no pun intended) around a public airport must be either painted and lit with red at night, or strobed (and optionally lit with red at night in lieu of the strobe). Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Bryan Scott wrote: I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Walmart has everything! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower lighting haha, nice comment there at the end... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower lighting
Okay, here are the rules from the source: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21/$FILE/AC70_7460_1K.pdf Generally, towers over 200' or that rise above a projected plane of protection (no pun intended) around a public airport must be either painted and lit with red at night, or strobed (and optionally lit with red at night in lieu of the strobe). Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Bryan Scott wrote: I'm no expert, but I have seen many towers with significant height that aren't painted. Heck, to that extent, buildings over 200' would need to be red\white, then. The best part about posting to large lists is how quickly third-party information is either substantiated or shredded to millions of pieces. Thank goodness I'm just a network nerd and not the tower expert. We collocate some gear on a parasitic/backup AM tower that's around 250' or so. The active, main tower is 400' (it was supposed to be 800 but they gave up for one reason or another). He commented how everything of ours would have to be painted except our white dish that is in a white portion. He may have been quoting us (and is living by) pre-strobe rules. Or maybe they do what they do because they're AM towers.. in the proximity (~5 miles) of a large airport, etc. etc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
