[WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I recall some past discussion bemoaning the large dish sizes required for licensed links .. I just found this in the latest Rural Spectrum Scanner from Bennett Law (http://www.bennetlaw.com/rss.php?vol=13issue=12). Should WISPA endorse this? I'm not familiar with the details of 11 GHz regulation. *FCC Seeks Comment on the Use of Smaller Antennas in the 11 GHz Band* The FCC has released a *Public Notice* announcing that it has adopted a *Notice of Proposed Rulemaking* seeking comment on whether to permit the installation of smaller antennas by Fixed Service (FS) operators in the 10.7-11.7 GHz band. The FCC initiated the rulemaking pursuant to a Petition for Rulemaking filed by FiberTower, Inc., a wireless backhaul provider, proposing to change the technical parameters that would permit the use of smaller FS antennas with reduced mainbeam gain, increased beamwidth, and modified sidelobe suppression in the 11 GHz band. The FCC seeks comment on whether FiberTower, Inc.'s proposals would serve the public interest by facilitating the efficient use of the 11 GHz band while protecting other users in the band from interference due to the use of smaller antennas. The pleading cycle has not yet been established. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WiMax
Gary Kim at Fat Pipe makes some interesting predictions about WiMax here (http://www.fatpipeonline.com/showArticle.php?id=60) In 2010, the forecasted WiMAX subscriptions in North America will represent 2 percent of that for mobile 2.5G/3G and 66 percent of the subscriptions for mobile data cards, say Philip Marshall, Yankee Group vice president, and Tara Howard, Yankee Group analyst. Clearwire has deployed fixed and portable wireless service in targeted U.S. markets using the 2.5-GHz spectrum and NextNet infrastructure. Recently, it announced that it has more than 150,000 subscribers in the U.S. market and is seeing rapid growth across all its markets, earning an average of $35.40 per subscriber. In July 2006, Intel and Motorola invested $900 million in Clearwire, and as part of the transaction, Motorola acquired NextNet. Yankee Group expects Motorola to migrate the NextNet technology to 802.16e during the next 24 months. Yankee Group estimates the number of WiMAX subscribers will increase from 1.3 million to 7.8 million between 2006 and 2011 and that in 2011, 7 million subscribers will be using 802.16e technology. For the sake of comparison, the percentage of WiMAX subscribers relative to residential broadband subscribers in the North American market will increase from 2.2 percent to 7.4 percent between 2006 and 2010. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ericsson quits WiMax
Ericsson Deals Blow to WiMAX First major telecoms equipment maker to quit WiMAX in favor of 3G mobile data. http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=21764hed=Ericsson+Deals+Blow+to+WiMAX -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Yeah, a nice 4 line in and up to 8 cordless extensions would be nice. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha John Valenti wrote: On March 23, at 1:00 PM March 23, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... DECT phones are definitely here in the US. I bought one at CompUSA last fall, and I'm sure I've seen then at Staples / Office Max / Best Buy. Maybe the manufacturers have started offering them, now that the per phone cost is reduced. --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP). Thoughts? marlon - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz I recall some past discussion bemoaning the large dish sizes required for licensed links .. I just found this in the latest Rural Spectrum Scanner from Bennett Law (http://www.bennetlaw.com/rss.php?vol=13issue=12). Should WISPA endorse this? I'm not familiar with the details of 11 GHz regulation. *FCC Seeks Comment on the Use of Smaller Antennas in the 11 GHz Band* The FCC has released a *Public Notice* announcing that it has adopted a *Notice of Proposed Rulemaking* seeking comment on whether to permit the installation of smaller antennas by Fixed Service (FS) operators in the 10.7-11.7 GHz band. The FCC initiated the rulemaking pursuant to a Petition for Rulemaking filed by FiberTower, Inc., a wireless backhaul provider, proposing to change the technical parameters that would permit the use of smaller FS antennas with reduced mainbeam gain, increased beamwidth, and modified sidelobe suppression in the 11 GHz band. The FCC seeks comment on whether FiberTower, Inc.'s proposals would serve the public interest by facilitating the efficient use of the 11 GHz band while protecting other users in the band from interference due to the use of smaller antennas. The pleading cycle has not yet been established. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Our panasonic system in the office does that. Seems to be the only one that does though. And trying to find a new handset to replace the one I left on top of the car has proven to be a bit of an issue There is clearly a good market for phones like this! I can't believe that no one is selling them. Heck, the USED panasonic phones for the 4000 series system go for almost as much as the brand new ones on ebay. It's crazy. marlon - Original Message - From: Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. Yeah, a nice 4 line in and up to 8 cordless extensions would be nice. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha John Valenti wrote: On March 23, at 1:00 PM March 23, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... DECT phones are definitely here in the US. I bought one at CompUSA last fall, and I'm sure I've seen then at Staples / Office Max / Best Buy. Maybe the manufacturers have started offering them, now that the per phone cost is reduced. --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] 350 feet Rohn 55G for sale
fyi marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: [TowerTalk] 350 feet Rohn 55G for sale I have 350 feet of 55G with working beacon and top plate I need to sell ASAP. I took down the tower about 5 years ago and it has been kept out of the weather since then. It is painted red and white already. I would rather sell the entire package. The tower is located in Kingsland GA and can be loaded onto your truck. Do your homework and make me an offer. Thanks. De ww9z Mark ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP). Thoughts? Can you explain why you want to see ATPC in 11 GHz links with 4' dishes? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Marlon, What is the frequency of the phone system you speak of? Since this is a thread on DECT phones and you have never heard of DECT phones I am not sure your phone system would work to avoid the interference issues of the most common frequencies used for wireless networks. Some geographic areas are not as spectrally clean as your office seems to be if you are not running into any issues with interference. Please correct me if I am wrong. :-) The DECT phones are using licensed frequencies and are being used in the US legally. Regards, Dawn DiPietro On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our panasonic system in the office does that. Seems to be the only one that does though. And trying to find a new handset to replace the one I left on top of the car has proven to be a bit of an issue There is clearly a good market for phones like this! I can't believe that no one is selling them. Heck, the USED panasonic phones for the 4000 series system go for almost as much as the brand new ones on ebay. It's crazy. marlon - Original Message - From: Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. Yeah, a nice 4 line in and up to 8 cordless extensions would be nice. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha John Valenti wrote: On March 23, at 1:00 PM March 23, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... DECT phones are definitely here in the US. I bought one at CompUSA last fall, and I'm sure I've seen then at Staples / Office Max / Best Buy. Maybe the manufacturers have started offering them, now that the per phone cost is reduced. --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Dylan, It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say. I'm not sure this dish-size issue would impact any WISPs so we may want to ask ourselves if there are more important issues that we need to be focusing on, given the limited time and resources that we have. I think this is an issue that the licensed microwave vendors will probably deal with adequately, without harming our interests. When we decide to purchase a licensed 11 GHz link, we'd be buying it from them anyway. Finally, WISPA dosn't have an engineering staff that can adequately analyze the technical implications and prepare an informed technical responese to submit to the FCC. jack Dylan Oliver wrote: I recall some past discussion bemoaning the large dish sizes required for licensed links .. I just found this in the latest Rural Spectrum Scanner from Bennett Law (http://www.bennetlaw.com/rss.php?vol=13issue=12). Should WISPA endorse this? I'm not familiar with the details of 11 GHz regulation. *FCC Seeks Comment on the Use of Smaller Antennas in the 11 GHz Band* The FCC has released a *Public Notice* announcing that it has adopted a *Notice of Proposed Rulemaking* seeking comment on whether to permit the installation of smaller antennas by Fixed Service (FS) operators in the 10.7-11.7 GHz band. The FCC initiated the rulemaking pursuant to a Petition for Rulemaking filed by FiberTower, Inc., a wireless backhaul provider, proposing to change the technical parameters that would permit the use of smaller FS antennas with reduced mainbeam gain, increased beamwidth, and modified sidelobe suppression in the 11 GHz band. The FCC seeks comment on whether FiberTower, Inc.'s proposals would serve the public interest by facilitating the efficient use of the 11 GHz band while protecting other users in the band from interference due to the use of smaller antennas. The pleading cycle has not yet been established. Best, -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (* http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on minimum dish size, having heard 4' from this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press release (*http://tinyurl.com/274wmy) *by RFS on the availability of a 3' dish meeting the FCC's standards for 10.7-11.7 GHz antennas. The only standard I've seen so far - Part 101 Sec. 101.115 Directional antennas (*http://tinyurl.com/37ummg*) - only specifies maximum beamwidth and minimum gain. If Part 101 talks about dish sizes elsewhere, please let me know. If Part 101 does not state dish size, then the petition boils down to a relaxation of beamwidth / gain concomitant to the characteristics of a 2' dish. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available with 11 GHz and is the license leasable in different areas? Dylan Oliver wrote: The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (* http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on minimum dish size, having heard 4' from this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press release (*http://tinyurl.com/274wmy) *by RFS on the availability of a 3' dish meeting the FCC's standards for 10.7-11.7 GHz antennas. The only standard I've seen so far - Part 101 Sec. 101.115 Directional antennas (*http://tinyurl.com/37ummg*) - only specifies maximum beamwidth and minimum gain. If Part 101 talks about dish sizes elsewhere, please let me know. If Part 101 does not state dish size, then the petition boils down to a relaxation of beamwidth / gain concomitant to the characteristics of a 2' dish. Best, -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Change to List Server Information Page
It has been understood by most here since WISPA was created that we will send ads from time to time from our Vendor Members to anyone who subscribes to WISPA list servers. It is part of the reason why Vendors join the organization and definitely why they pay us $1000 per year to be members. Dave Smith brought it to my attention that we were not adequately telling folks that fact on our list server signup page for the wireless@wispa.org list and that our method of distributing ads could be perceived as spam if not corrected. I have added the following text to he wireless@wispa.org list information page to remedy this oversight: --- start of new list information text *** NOTE *** If you subscribe to this or any other WISPA list server you understand and accept that you will be sent WISPA Board approved ads occasionally by the Vendor Members of WISPA. This is a requirement of membership in this and other WISPA lists. You can filter ads by denying the address advertisements@wispa.org from sending email to your address. -- end of new list information text -- If anyone here was not aware of this and does not want to receive ads then feel free to unsubscribe and we will not send you ads. For anyone who is subscribed to WISPA list resources you will see these ads coming from advertisements@wispa.org now and in the future. We send ads through this advertisements@wispa.org list server only. We do this to stop people from receiving several copies of the same ad on several different lists of which they are members. Basically we glean address from our own lists and remove all duplicates. The resulting addresses become the one-time members of the advertisements@wispa.org list and are sent only one copy of a WISPA approved ad. Once the ad is sent we remove all members from that list and the process is repeated the next time an ad is to be run. This insures that people who unsubscribe are not sent ads in future mailings. I hope all of this makes sense. It may sound a little bit complicated but we are really just trying to make sure our members do not get over-loaded with duplicate ads and that our paid Vendor Members have a means of advertising and selling their products and services to our membership. We hope that this system shows a definitive difference for you between what some may perceive as spam and what we are doing which is legitimate sponsored advertising for our members. As always we welcome feedback on this process. Kindest regards, John Scrivner President WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Thank you Jack. You said it better than I could have. :-) Scriv Jack Unger wrote: Dylan, It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say. I'm not sure this dish-size issue would impact any WISPs so we may want to ask ourselves if there are more important issues that we need to be focusing on, given the limited time and resources that we have. I think this is an issue that the licensed microwave vendors will probably deal with adequately, without harming our interests. When we decide to purchase a licensed 11 GHz link, we'd be buying it from them anyway. Finally, WISPA dosn't have an engineering staff that can adequately analyze the technical implications and prepare an informed technical responese to submit to the FCC. jack Dylan Oliver wrote: I recall some past discussion bemoaning the large dish sizes required for licensed links .. I just found this in the latest Rural Spectrum Scanner from Bennett Law (http://www.bennetlaw.com/rss.php?vol=13issue=12). Should WISPA endorse this? I'm not familiar with the details of 11 GHz regulation. *FCC Seeks Comment on the Use of Smaller Antennas in the 11 GHz Band* The FCC has released a *Public Notice* announcing that it has adopted a *Notice of Proposed Rulemaking* seeking comment on whether to permit the installation of smaller antennas by Fixed Service (FS) operators in the 10.7-11.7 GHz band. The FCC initiated the rulemaking pursuant to a Petition for Rulemaking filed by FiberTower, Inc., a wireless backhaul provider, proposing to change the technical parameters that would permit the use of smaller FS antennas with reduced mainbeam gain, increased beamwidth, and modified sidelobe suppression in the 11 GHz band. The FCC seeks comment on whether FiberTower, Inc.'s proposals would serve the public interest by facilitating the efficient use of the 11 GHz band while protecting other users in the band from interference due to the use of smaller antennas. The pleading cycle has not yet been established. Best, -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I think that 3' is small enough, 11Ghz fades in the rain pretty good, so I would think that you would only use 3' dish on links less than 5 Miles. Why now just run High power 18Ghz radios with 2' then? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available with 11 GHz and is the license leasable in different areas? Dylan Oliver wrote: The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (* http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on minimum dish size, having heard 4' from this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press release (*http://tinyurl.com/274wmy) *by RFS on the availability of a 3' dish meeting the FCC's standards for 10.7-11.7 GHz antennas. The only standard I've seen so far - Part 101 Sec. 101.115 Directional antennas (*http://tinyurl.com/37ummg*) - only specifies maximum beamwidth and minimum gain. If Part 101 talks about dish sizes elsewhere, please let me know. If Part 101 does not state dish size, then the petition boils down to a relaxation of beamwidth / gain concomitant to the characteristics of a 2' dish. Best, -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
The reason that they put large dish requirements on systems has to do with frequency reuse. The fear being that the wider beam will make it more likely to see an interference issue. With apc we can run with VERY low fade margins and only raise the power when the weather gets bad. Theoretically we can keep the frequency reuse with minimal risks. That's my opinion anyway. I'd like to see all new systems require atpc. It's easy nowadays as most gear can already control the power electronically. marlon - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP). Thoughts? Can you explain why you want to see ATPC in 11 GHz links with 4' dishes? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Understood Mine's 2.4. No problems with microwaves or to my wifi lan from it though. I like the idea of these new phones. I'd love to see something from them with the 4 line (better yet, 6) capabilities of my panasonic system. Before we bought the panasonic we tried to create the functional equivalent with * but without the ability to put people on hold and push a line button it was too cumbersome for us. (yes I know we could park a call, but that mechanism just didn't work for us.) marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. Marlon, What is the frequency of the phone system you speak of? Since this is a thread on DECT phones and you have never heard of DECT phones I am not sure your phone system would work to avoid the interference issues of the most common frequencies used for wireless networks. Some geographic areas are not as spectrally clean as your office seems to be if you are not running into any issues with interference. Please correct me if I am wrong. :-) The DECT phones are using licensed frequencies and are being used in the US legally. Regards, Dawn DiPietro On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our panasonic system in the office does that. Seems to be the only one that does though. And trying to find a new handset to replace the one I left on top of the car has proven to be a bit of an issue There is clearly a good market for phones like this! I can't believe that no one is selling them. Heck, the USED panasonic phones for the 4000 series system go for almost as much as the brand new ones on ebay. It's crazy. marlon - Original Message - From: Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. Yeah, a nice 4 line in and up to 8 cordless extensions would be nice. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha John Valenti wrote: On March 23, at 1:00 PM March 23, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... DECT phones are definitely here in the US. I bought one at CompUSA last fall, and I'm sure I've seen then at Staples / Office Max / Best Buy. Maybe the manufacturers have started offering them, now that the per phone cost is reduced. --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
Jack, With all due respect We don't need engineers to know what we'd like the rules to be like! WISPA is here to serve the interests of the wisp community. The manufacturers can look after themselves. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz Dylan, It would be good to know the minimum required dish size now and the changes that FiberTower is proposing before deciding what to do or say. I'm not sure this dish-size issue would impact any WISPs so we may want to ask ourselves if there are more important issues that we need to be focusing on, given the limited time and resources that we have. I think this is an issue that the licensed microwave vendors will probably deal with adequately, without harming our interests. When we decide to purchase a licensed 11 GHz link, we'd be buying it from them anyway. Finally, WISPA dosn't have an engineering staff that can adequately analyze the technical implications and prepare an informed technical responese to submit to the FCC. jack Dylan Oliver wrote: I recall some past discussion bemoaning the large dish sizes required for licensed links .. I just found this in the latest Rural Spectrum Scanner from Bennett Law (http://www.bennetlaw.com/rss.php?vol=13issue=12). Should WISPA endorse this? I'm not familiar with the details of 11 GHz regulation. *FCC Seeks Comment on the Use of Smaller Antennas in the 11 GHz Band* The FCC has released a *Public Notice* announcing that it has adopted a *Notice of Proposed Rulemaking* seeking comment on whether to permit the installation of smaller antennas by Fixed Service (FS) operators in the 10.7-11.7 GHz band. The FCC initiated the rulemaking pursuant to a Petition for Rulemaking filed by FiberTower, Inc., a wireless backhaul provider, proposing to change the technical parameters that would permit the use of smaller FS antennas with reduced mainbeam gain, increased beamwidth, and modified sidelobe suppression in the 11 GHz band. The FCC seeks comment on whether FiberTower, Inc.'s proposals would serve the public interest by facilitating the efficient use of the 11 GHz band while protecting other users in the band from interference due to the use of smaller antennas. The pleading cycle has not yet been established. Best, -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
It was not just for freq reuse. It was also to encourage the use of higher freq for short distance links and lower freqs for longer distances. I personally think that the existing antenna requirements should stay as they are. Fibertower wants to use 11 ghz for shorter runs and also so they can install smaller dishes in covert locations such as inside monopole flagpoles and steeples. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:02:59 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz The reason that they put large dish requirements on systems has to do with frequency reuse. The fear being that the wider beam will make it more likely to see an interference issue. With apc we can run with VERY low fade margins and only raise the power when the weather gets bad. Theoretically we can keep the frequency reuse with minimal risks. That's my opinion anyway. I'd like to see all new systems require atpc. It's easy nowadays as most gear can already control the power electronically. marlon - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP). Thoughts? Can you explain why you want to see ATPC in 11 GHz links with 4' dishes? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Anyone that was at the meeting yesterday care to comment on this approach? I wasn't there, but my understanding from those that were: Matt Wrote: It may also be of interest to note that companies such as ourselves have the ability to provide lawful intercept in compliance with CALEA for our single-homed downstream ISP customers assuming there is no NAT involved. This is not acceptable. ALL facilities based service providers are required to be compliant. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz It was not just for freq reuse. It was also to encourage the use of higher freq for short distance links and lower freqs for longer distances. that makes sense. I personally think that the existing antenna requirements should stay as they are. Fibertower wants to use 11 ghz for shorter runs and also so they can install smaller dishes in covert locations such as inside monopole flagpoles and steeples. What's wrong with that? Also, if they do it for 11 gig maybe they would for 6 gig too. The 6' dish requirement in that band makes it almost useless for anything on a smaller tower or down town where there are asthetic issues. marlon Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:02:59 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz The reason that they put large dish requirements on systems has to do with frequency reuse. The fear being that the wider beam will make it more likely to see an interference issue. With apc we can run with VERY low fade margins and only raise the power when the weather gets bad. Theoretically we can keep the frequency reuse with minimal risks. That's my opinion anyway. I'd like to see all new systems require atpc. It's easy nowadays as most gear can already control the power electronically. marlon - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz On 3/24/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should support that effort. On the condition that any devices that it applies to use automatic transmit power control (ATP). Thoughts? Can you explain why you want to see ATPC in 11 GHz links with 4' dishes? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
