Re: [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends

[Jeremy]

I get mine for .08325 cents each off of Alibaba (shipped).  They work great.


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Yes, after crimping any wire end pull tab out as most crimpers we have
 used compress the tab.

 We use UBNT ends with no real issues... over a thousand plus with two
 missing a single wire contact, which did cause a little time finding the
 issue... but had seen this in other brands as well.

 Hopefully you do have a tech pulllng the plugs out hard from the NSsm
 which will break the lock piece in the socket.



 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Pull the tab out a bit.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 23, 2013 4:26 PM, Dave Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote:

 **
 We found the last 3 boxes of Tough connectors we've purchased have had
 issues staying snapped into NanoBridges. They just won't snap in and work
 their way out just enough to cause failure over time. No issues with any
 other radio's - just NB's.  Has anyone else experienced this issue ?

 Dave

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 Behalf Of *Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:30 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends

   Yes.

 There are two styles.  One has no metal shielding, the other does.  Both
 are expensive (relatively) but I’m addicted to them.  I love not having to
 worry about how far back I strip things.  Not having to worry about wires
 crossing when pushed into the connector (I can check them before crimping)
 etc.

 http://ezrj45.com/ezrj45plugs.php?gclid=CLSDvLWfxrgCFWXZQgodwlQANg

 Marsh cable stocks them.

 marlon


  *From:* Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:21 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends


 Do they support shielded cabling?

 

 Kevin

 

 

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:14 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends

 

 We love the EZ-RJ45 units.  Get them from Marsh Cable.

  

 It’s the style where the wires go right through the ends of the
 connectors and the crimper crimps and cuts at the same time.  HUGE time
 saver.

  

 marlon

  

  

 *From:* heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:50 AM

 *To:* wireless@wispa.org 

 *Subject:* [WISPA] shielded rj45 ends

  

 I was curious what shielded ends members are using. I typically use the
 cable that Cayman wireless sells, definitely not tough cable. I prefer the
 UBNT tough ends as I have no issues with them, however some of my techs
 dread them. I have purchased some other ends in the past but at a high
 premium. Anyways just looking for some ideas as I am getting out voted on
 the tough ends.

  

 thanks

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[WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Jeremy]

I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main thing
that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my state
(Utah) has a USF of 0.45%
http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

Then there is sales and use tax of
*State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
*Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

Then we have E911:

*E911 State -* .08
*E911 County -* .61
*Poison Control -* .07
*---*
*Total for E911 -* .76

Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
Relay Fund* - .06
 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf
http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Jeremy]

Accidentally hit send.  There is more!  We also have:

*Municipal Telecommunications License Tax (MTLT) - *3.5% ...this is the
tricky one.  It is never charged on a county level and is determined by the
zip+4 of the municipality.  It appears that most charge it but some don't
and unincorporated areas never do.
http://tax.utah.gov/utah-taxes/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=177#telecom
http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3other.pdf

So we are looking at like 25-30% tax?? Is this correct?


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main thing
 that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my state
 (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


 Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
 http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

 Then there is sales and use tax of
 *State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
 *Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

 Then we have E911:

 *E911 State -* .08
 *E911 County -* .61
 *Poison Control -* .07
 *---*
 *Total for E911 -* .76

 Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
 Relay Fund* - .06
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf

 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Jeremy]

From what I read it seems like you can collect whatever you want directly
from your customers but it may be considered as income and taxed as such.
So you can't really pass it on as a direct fee and bypass your income tax
liability for it.


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 That looks about right, it varies by state/locality of course. We collect
 Federal USF, State use tax, state and county E911. The USF you get to
 pocket until your required contributions are $10k/year - under that you are
 considered de minimus and just have to file the annual form.

 When we set up our billing the Telecom Relay Fund passed under our radar
 so now we're just paying for that out of pocket. I'm not sure if you are
 allowed to collect that specifically from your customers as well.


 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main
 thing that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my
 state (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


 Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
 http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

 Then there is sales and use tax of
 *State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
 *Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

 Then we have E911:

 *E911 State -* .08
 *E911 County -* .61
 *Poison Control -* .07
 *---*
 *Total for E911 -* .76

 Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
 Relay Fund* - .06
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf

 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Jeremy]

So while I am de minimus should I not be charging a USF fee?  You stated
that I cannot charge more than I pass along but if I pass along nothing
until I am at the 10K mark then am I not supposed to bill it until that
point?


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

  On 7/28/2013 12:46 AM, Jeremy wrote:

 From what I read it seems like you can collect whatever you want directly
 from your customers but it may be considered as income and taxed as such.
 So you can't really pass it on as a direct fee and bypass your income tax
 liability for it.


 No.  Federal billing rules say that you cannot collect more on your retail
 bill for FUSF than you pass along.  No markups allowed.  Most of the other
 charges can also be passed along one for one, but state rules could vary.

 But the rate is not exactly what you think.  The Federal USF rate is
 calculated as a percentage, changed quarterly (it has gone over 17%), of
 your interstate telecommunications service billing.  If you are providing
 local telephone service, that line item is not subject to USF as it is
 intrastate, not intersate.  Internet access is not subject to USF as it is
 information service, not telecommunications service.  The tax was meant to
 apply to long distance calls, which were a lot of money back in the day.

 If you are (as is the norm nowadays) providing a service that does not
 charge explicitly for interstate long distance, then you have two options.
 There is a safe harbor of 64.9%, wherein that percentage of the total
 phone package is deemed interstate.  So if you sold it for $10/month, the
 tax would be applied to $6.49 of it.  This number was computed back when
 VoIP services were primarily used as cheap dial-around long distance, not
 as primary lines, so the PIU (percentage interstate use -- this number
 comes up a LOT in telecom billing) was high.

 You can also compute what percentage of your calls are actually
 interstate, and pay USF on that percentage of the bill.  This involves
 filling out the Form 499-Q's correctly, but it is the norm nowadays.

 Bear in mind that there is a de minimis rule.  If you would owe less
 than $10k/year, then you only file Form 499-A (annual, vs. quarterly), and
 don't pay anything.  BUT you then are treated as a retail customer of your
 wholesale provider(s), and *they* collect USF on what they bill you.  If
 you are no de minimis, and do actually pay USF, then you tell that to your
 providers, who have to verify it against FCC records, and then they don't
 charge you USF.  It's sort of like a retailer's exemption on sales tax;
 it's only collected once.  Note that this whole system is on the docket at
 the FCC and they're still thinking about how to revise it, but don't seem
 to have a consensus, so they're just putting it off.



 On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote:

 That looks about right, it varies by state/locality of course. We collect
 Federal USF, State use tax, state and county E911. The USF you get to
 pocket until your required contributions are $10k/year - under that you are
 considered de minimus and just have to file the annual form.

  When we set up our billing the Telecom Relay Fund passed under our
 radar so now we're just paying for that out of pocket. I'm not sure if you
 are allowed to collect that specifically from your customers as well.


  On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main
 thing that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my
 state (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


  Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
 http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support

  Then there is sales and use tax of
 *State Sales  Use -* 4.7%
  *Municipality Sales  Use - *varies - see
 http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf

  Then we have E911:

 *E911 State -* .08
 *E911 County -* .61
  *Poison Control -* .07
 *---*
  *Total for E911 -* .76

  Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
 Relay Fund* - .06
  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, Insanity

[Jeremy]

Josh - $21.95 residential and $29.95 business.


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

  On 7/28/2013 2:20 PM, Jeremy wrote:

 So while I am de minimus should I not be charging a USF fee?  You stated
 that I cannot charge more than I pass along but if I pass along nothing
 until I am at the 10K mark then am I not supposed to bill it until that
 point?


 Carlos has good advice -- consult a lawyer.  (I'm not a lawyer but I play
 an engineer on TV.)  I just checked with one who could not render actual
 advice.  Rather, he explained, This is one of the mysteries of USF.

 The FCC forgot about this case when they did the rules.  So the usual
 practice seems to be to collect the fees.  You might after all be passing
 them along to your wholesale provider, who is charging USF to you.  But if
 you do go over the $10k limit, then you could owe retroactively, and in
 that case you want the money in the bank!  So unless they've clarified this
 in the instructions on the Form 499s (be warned; they do that sometimes,
 and you don't know the rule until you read the new fine print), you can
 pass along the fee you would be collecting under safe harbor, and apply it
 to the USF charges you're being hit with.

 I don't think these crazy fees are a reason to avoid voice services, but
 they are a pain to administer.  The FCC is terrible about writing clear
 rules.



 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote:

  On 7/28/2013 12:46 AM, Jeremy wrote:

 From what I read it seems like you can collect whatever you want directly
 from your customers but it may be considered as income and taxed as such.
 So you can't really pass it on as a direct fee and bypass your income tax
 liability for it.


  No.  Federal billing rules say that you cannot collect more on your
 retail bill for FUSF than you pass along.  No markups allowed.  Most of the
 other charges can also be passed along one for one, but state rules could
 vary.

 But the rate is not exactly what you think.  The Federal USF rate is
 calculated as a percentage, changed quarterly (it has gone over 17%), of
 your interstate telecommunications service billing.  If you are providing
 local telephone service, that line item is not subject to USF as it is
 intrastate, not intersate.  Internet access is not subject to USF as it is
 information service, not telecommunications service.  The tax was meant to
 apply to long distance calls, which were a lot of money back in the day.

 If you are (as is the norm nowadays) providing a service that does not
 charge explicitly for interstate long distance, then you have two options.
 There is a safe harbor of 64.9%, wherein that percentage of the total
 phone package is deemed interstate.  So if you sold it for $10/month, the
 tax would be applied to $6.49 of it.  This number was computed back when
 VoIP services were primarily used as cheap dial-around long distance, not
 as primary lines, so the PIU (percentage interstate use -- this number
 comes up a LOT in telecom billing) was high.

 You can also compute what percentage of your calls are actually
 interstate, and pay USF on that percentage of the bill.  This involves
 filling out the Form 499-Q's correctly, but it is the norm nowadays.

 Bear in mind that there is a de minimis rule.  If you would owe less
 than $10k/year, then you only file Form 499-A (annual, vs. quarterly), and
 don't pay anything.  BUT you then are treated as a retail customer of your
 wholesale provider(s), and *they* collect USF on what they bill you.  If
 you are no de minimis, and do actually pay USF, then you tell that to your
 providers, who have to verify it against FCC records, and then they don't
 charge you USF.  It's sort of like a retailer's exemption on sales tax;
 it's only collected once.  Note that this whole system is on the docket at
 the FCC and they're still thinking about how to revise it, but don't seem
 to have a consensus, so they're just putting it off.



 On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.comwrote:

 That looks about right, it varies by state/locality of course. We
 collect Federal USF, State use tax, state and county E911. The USF you get
 to pocket until your required contributions are $10k/year - under that you
 are considered de minimus and just have to file the annual form.

  When we set up our billing the Telecom Relay Fund passed under our
 radar so now we're just paying for that out of pocket. I'm not sure if you
 are allowed to collect that specifically from your customers as well.


  On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.comwrote:

I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the
 main thing that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems
 that my state (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
 http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf


  Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1

Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast

[Jeremy]

Harbor Freight foam puzzle mats work alright as well for pads.  $6.99 for 4
on sale almost every week.  I'm with Josh though.  A pallet with some mats
under it works wonders.  If you find a source for the plastic pallets they
work even better.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:41 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca wrote:

 We try to stick to White Rock hens just to keep things standardized. No
 one likes to have a back order on a fowl delay things.


 Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote ..
  If you need, here is a close up of that 3foot tripod screwed down to the
  treated lumber base:
 
 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uy-dmEYKRic/TMY7XkHK6RI/AI4/tuJvBzKGcug/w909-h682-no/roof_tripod_base_small.jpg
 
  I think those are 1/4 lag screws and washers.  The hen is optional.
 
  On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I like what you did here:
  
 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uSvf_bhcyXE/TMY6GYrz3HI/AIo/5ErZI4Y93D4/w560-h746-no/wasabinet_bolita_small.jpg
   I sort of had that thought in my mind already, but couldn't envision
 how
   to make a bottom piece to hold down the tripod. Now that I see a
 photo, I
   may run with this design.
   I can get the tripods and masts locally, plus a quick trip to the
 lumber
   store to pick up pressure treated lumber and a couple of cement blocks.
  
   Thanks.
  
  
   On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote:
  
   For ultra low-cost non-penetrating roof mounts, I've been playing
 around
   with J-Bars salvaged from discarded Dish TV equipment, mounted to a
 base
   made from scrap treated lumber and weighted down with cinderblocks.
  Then,
   I mate a vertical length of EMT conduit, 1/2 or better yet 3/4,
 using a
   couple conduit hangers.
  
   http://goo.gl/ojvZu0
   http://goo.gl/6Wu0My
  
   Maybe this can give you a general idea, although this would definitely
   have a conspicuous DIY look.  (I just try to make these things in
 batch, to
   conserve on labor.)
  
   I should note the latter photo, which might be of the most interest to
   you, is now out of date.  The wood beams making up the base were
 rearranged
   into a V shape for more width, with a metal brace spanning the
 mouth of
   the V for stiffness.  Likewise the 24inch vertical mast was
 replaced with
   a completely straight section of EMT, instead of that weird zig-zag
 piece I
   originally happened to have lying around.
  
   On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Hello list,
  
   I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I
 am
   going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi
 diagonally
   across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a
   non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear
 line-of-sight is
   on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to
 mount
   an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger
   non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much
   larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each.
  
   Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square
 out
   of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft
 mast?
   Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all
 that is
   needed. Won't ever need to go higher.
  
   Or do you have another suggestion for mounting?
  
   Thanks in advance,
  
   Josh
  
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Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast

[Jeremy]

Skywalker has essentially the same thing for $55
http://skywalker.com/Products/Skywalker-Signature-Series-Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mount-Base-%28mast-not-included%29__SKY32816.aspx


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 RF arnor has them for 75 dollars:

 http://www.rfarmor.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=48

 -mike

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 18:12, Dave Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote:

 I used a 5 gallon bucket, a bag of quikcrete, and a pipe for a NS5 a few
 years ago on a flat roof.

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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single
 Nanostation + 5ft mast

  We use wood pallets with cement blocks when needed. Wood pallets are
 free for the asking most of the time from area businesses.
 On Jul 30, 2013 12:58 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello list,

 I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am
 going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally
 across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a
 non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is
 on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount
 an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger
 non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much
 larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each.

 Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out
 of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast?
 Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is
 needed. Won't ever need to go higher.

 Or do you have another suggestion for mounting?

 Thanks in advance,

 Josh

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Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast

[Jeremy]

Or you could use one of these with a mast for 17.99
http://skywalker.com/Products/Skywalker-Signature-Series-Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mount__SKY6003.aspx



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Skywalker has essentially the same thing for $55
 http://skywalker.com/Products/Skywalker-Signature-Series-Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mount-Base-%28mast-not-included%29__SKY32816.aspx


 On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 RF arnor has them for 75 dollars:


 http://www.rfarmor.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=48

 -mike

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 18:12, Dave Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote:

 I used a 5 gallon bucket, a bag of quikcrete, and a pipe for a NS5 a few
 years ago on a flat roof.

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 *On Behalf Of *Joey Craig
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:04 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single
 Nanostation + 5ft mast

  We use wood pallets with cement blocks when needed. Wood pallets are
 free for the asking most of the time from area businesses.
 On Jul 30, 2013 12:58 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello list,

 I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am
 going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally
 across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a
 non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is
 on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount
 an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger
 non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much
 larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each.

 Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out
 of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast?
 Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is
 needed. Won't ever need to go higher.

 Or do you have another suggestion for mounting?

 Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single Nanostation + 5ft mast

[Jeremy]

Skywalker's $55 one doesn't have a mast but you can grab a piece of conduit
from Home Depot for ten bucks and cut in half and use one for each side.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Or you could use one of these with a mast for 17.99
 http://skywalker.com/Products/Skywalker-Signature-Series-Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mount__SKY6003.aspx



 On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Skywalker has essentially the same thing for $55
 http://skywalker.com/Products/Skywalker-Signature-Series-Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mount-Base-%28mast-not-included%29__SKY32816.aspx


 On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 RF arnor has them for 75 dollars:


 http://www.rfarmor.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=48

 -mike

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 18:12, Dave Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote:

 I used a 5 gallon bucket, a bag of quikcrete, and a pipe for a NS5 a few
 years ago on a flat roof.

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 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Joey Craig
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:04 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Need small non-penetrating roof mount for single
 Nanostation + 5ft mast

  We use wood pallets with cement blocks when needed. Wood pallets are
 free for the asking most of the time from area businesses.
 On Jul 30, 2013 12:58 PM, Joshua Zukerman haw...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello list,

 I am setting up a PtP link between two gas stations for a client. I am
 going to be using two Nanostation M5 units going about 1/2mi diagonally
 across a highway. I'd like to mount them to a 5ft mast then to a
 non-penetrating roof mount, as the only place with clear line-of-sight is
 on the roof of both gas stations. Flat roof without much of a lip to mount
 an antenna to. All of my Google searches come up with much larger
 non-penetrating roof mounts, 3' or wider, which are designed for much
 larger and taller masts. Also very pricey, $150 or more each.

 Does anyone make a small non-penetrating roof mount, say 2ft square out
 of metal with an attachment to hold a 5ft mast or including a 5ft mast?
 Maybe a single cinder/cement block to weigh it down would be all that is
 needed. Won't ever need to go higher.

 Or do you have another suggestion for mounting?

 Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] looking to purchasing bandwidth

[Jeremy]

CL has reasonable rates for bulk BW if you go through a broker.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

   I was looking to see if anyone could provide me with an alternate or
 additional bandwidth option in South Dakota, preferably central South
 Dakota. We currently use the areas cable company, which is great, but I
 don’t believe they are real competitive nationwide. I don’t believe any
 real major carriers provide service to the area, other than Century Link.
 Any ways if I could get some pointers that would be great

 thanks
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Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box

[Jeremy]

We use Shireen shielded for both towers and installs.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

   That says gel filled.  the other is a dry gel.

 marlon


  *From:* Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com
 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 10:28 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box


 Here is the product I ordered after being pointed there by Scott.



  *Outdoor CAT5e FTP Shielded - Gel Filled - Outer Jacket - 1000ft Spool*

 DC-1041



 Kevin





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 10:23 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box



 INTERESTING!

 I didn't know shireen made a shielded version. That's one reason we've
 only used the d-gel for very certain things. It's not listed on our primary
 vendor's site (streakwave).

 Thanks for the find/info!

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

 On 01/24/2014 08:48 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

 You can get it either way, shielded or not.
 Compare them here: https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/cables/cat5e.html

  On 1/24/2014 12:43 PM, Kevin Owen wrote:

 Marlon,



 Is the Shireen Dry Gel cable also shielded?  Do you have a part/product #
 for it?


  Thanks,

 Kevin





 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 4:42 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box



 Have you tried the Shireen dry gel?  I'm addicted.



 Stays dry and easy to work with until it gets wet.  IF there's a problem
 that allows liquid into the cable it self seals the hole.  Pretty cool
 stuff.



 I do wish they had a better packaging system.  I really miss the rabbit
 pull mechanism that my indoor cable uses.



 marlon





 *From:* Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net

 *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:31 AM

 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] outdoor shielded cable for installs in a box



 Shireen, unshield, no gel for installations.
 Shireen, shielded, no gel for towers.

 On 1/22/2014 9:20 PM, timothy steele wrote:

 I've used shireen cable I will +1 that's good cable.. I've also heard of
 guys making there own reusable spindle holder box so you can use same cable
 for towers and installs so there is that option

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 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:

  UBNT toughcable pro/carrier and/or Shireen is all we use

 Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
 :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

 On 01/22/2014 04:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:

   Just looking for what others are using for boxed cable shielded that
 simple or easy for customer installs. We use a certain cable now, buts on
 rolls, which is ideal for towers, but a pain in the ass for installs. I
 heard UBNT stuff is better, but the partners are upset from the BS from
 earlier go arounds



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Re: [WISPA] Light Duty self-support

[Jeremy]

We have a few Tycon towers like that.  They are great if you have a bucket
truck.  I feel like I'm climbing on tinfoil once I get near the top.
 Pretty sketchy...


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Rohn does a self supporter right around 100 feet.  Customer did it himself
 a while back.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Mar 27, 2014 9:32 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote:

 Who is your first call for an economical self support tower for a
 customer to clear trees?

 We typically build guyed Rohn 25 towers but this customer doesn't want
 guy wires.

 Needs to be 100ft and enough wind load to hold a small repeater site,
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Re: [WISPA] Get ready to support customers when it comes to internet slowdown Wednesday

[Jeremy]

I'm putting up a message to contact the FCC and screening all callsthe
voicemail answering equivalent of the perpetual loading screen.  Heheheh

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:


 http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/tech/web/internet-slowdown-day/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 I can't wait for the phone to start ringing.
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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Jeremy]

...but the deauth attack is the best way to capture the handshake!??  How
are we supposed to get the WPA key without the handshake??

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 In Colorado and many other states with make my day laws you can most
 certainly be shot :-/


 On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, l...@mwtcorp.net wrote:

 On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:27:13 -0600 (CST)
   Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
  A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases
 their corporate space.
 
  If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and
 somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be
 okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found?
 

 If I tried to climb over the fence into a secure Lockheed facility I run
 the very real risk of being shot! humor Surely your not
 asserting that you have the same right when someone climbs over your back
 fence /humor. When National Security is asserted the
 rules change.

 The FCC has a history of being fairly draconian when they smell harmful
 interference. (I've always guessed it's personal
 to them because your playing with their toys. ;-)
 It's always a bad idea to expect to reason with a bureaucrat. It's either
 OK or not. It's all in the book.
 If you have a very deep back pocket you can try and get it in front of a
 judge and argue the merits but they
 tend to defer to the regulators.

 Larry Ash
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  - Original Message -
 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
 
 
 
  While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do
 this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all
 Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also
 note, I am not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is
 right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands,
 therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a
 deauth attack would be harmful, and interference.
 
  I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your
 network, but you should not be able to interfere with other
 operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not
 the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s
 not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on
 your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or
 leave, but that’s another issue. lol
 
 
  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
 
 
  There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact
 that they're charging for Internet access is brought up
 every time the deauthing activity is.
 
  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf
 
  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf
 
  In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott
 charged for Internet (and a lot at that).
 
  Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users
 from connecting to the Internet via their own personal
 Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of
 the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests.
 
  Sounds like security is a viable defense.
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
 
 
 From: Dennis Burgess  dmburg...@linktechs.net 
  To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
  You cannot do it at all….
 
 
  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
 
 
  You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing
 it to force people to give them money. A company doing it
 has plenty of other reasons.
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Dennis Burgess  dmburg...@linktechs.net 
  To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
  Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been
 deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I
 think due to it.
 
 
  Dennis Burgess, CTO, 

Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[Jeremy]

At a previous employer, we had an 18 and 22 mile link on low power
DragonWave 3' dishes.  They would drop out every time it rained.  We
replaced them with high power and they dropped out less.  On another link
we used 6' dishes to go something like 27 miles.  That link seemed pretty
stable, but holy crap those dishes are big.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Kris McElroy 
wrote:

> My advice is that you run this link through Cambiums Link Planner software
> or have your vendor run it for you.  The way an 18ghz link in Idaho would
> perform is different than the way it would in Texas do to the different
> rain rates.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kris McElroy
>
> 360 Communications
> e: kmcel...@threesixtycomm.net
>
> www.360broadband.net 
>
> www.facebook.com/360Comm
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Sean Heskett <
> af...@zirkel.us>
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
> *Date: *Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:03 AM
> *To: *WISPA General List 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range
>
>
>
> We've done a 6 mile link with 2' dishes without issues.  We are in NW
> Colorado so we get some wicked thunderstorms in the summertime that drop
> lots of water.  I probably wouldn't go much further than 6 miles with 2'
> dishes though.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:34 AM Sam Morris  wrote:
>
> At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues
>
> with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel
>
> zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?

[Jeremy]

We put boxes every 15' or so and attach the cable inside the box.  I was
really surprised how much pull was still on that top section three years
later.  I have been considering using the cable grab pulling mesh deals, or
running a steel cable up the inside with the cables tied to it (but that
pretty much makes pulling anything else through impossible).  So for now we
keep mounting access boxes all the way up.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Chadwick Wachs  wrote:

> Due to the tower shape, only 30' sections would dangle. However, I used a
> water tight rubber grommet at the top (designed for this conduit) to
> squeeze and hold the cable in place. Also put a tight 90 degree turn in the
> conduit at the top to increase some friction.  Cable was also secured
> outside with ties incase the rubber grommet allowed slippage.
>
> Seems to be solid. Don't know about a full 100' dangling section though...
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 7:38 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Cool, Thanks for completing the loop.
>>
>> The one concern I would have is that inside the 100ft section, the
>> Ethernet cable would be 'dangling' without any support..
>> How did you manage to secure that ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
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>> *From: *"Chadwick Wachs" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:10:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Shielding FM noise with conduit?
>>
>> Wanted to circle back on this with results.  Bought a 100' section of
>> metal lined LiquidTight at Home Depot (3/4" since I only needed 2 cables).
>> The 100' section was exactly the right length to get from the antennas all
>> the way to my cabinet in the machine room so now the cables are protected
>> in the cable trays down below as well.
>> Used hose clamps to attach the conduit to the tower every ~6 feet. Since
>> I had to make 2 90 degree turns on the way down, the flexible conduit was
>> great.  I did pull my two Ethernet wires through the conduit while it was
>> on the ground - figured that would be much easier - and it was. Cable is
>> Ubiquiti Carrier Shielded (the double shielded version).  I also added the
>> ends with the grounding cable and grounded both the top and the bottom of
>> the Ethernet to a good ground.
>>
>> Been up for about two weeks now with no Ethernet issues at all. Did not
>> put Ferrites on these two cables like all the rest of mine have.  I still
>> get an occasional Ethernet packet drop or error on the Ferrited cables. So
>> far, solid on the two cables in the LiquidTight.
>>
>> Yes, fiber is still a better long term solution but this was fairly
>> inexpensive and quick and is working great.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> my bad, i was answering late in the evening, i was thinking PVC when you
>>> said EMT.  EMT will work too since it's metal but it's hard to work with on
>>> a tower.  the 3/4" liquidtight that you linked to will fit 3 cables.  we
>>> usually run 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" (i can't remember which at the moment) and you
>>> can fit 13 cables in it.  we run it up to a box on the tower and then use
>>> 3/4" to run from the box to the individual APs or backhauls.  we run the
>>> conduit first and then drop the ethernet cables down from the top.
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Chadwick Wachs 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting... Certainly easier to run.  Because I have to make two 90
 degree turns (damn "H" shaped tower), I think I'll pull my Ethernet through
 it on the ground and then run it up the tower with cable in it.  I'm
 guessing that cutting it and putting 90 degree elbows (with cable pull
 windows) on it is a bad idea from an RF standpoint?
 My local HD has this in stock:

 http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-3-4-in-x-100-
 ft-Liquidtight-Flexible-Steel-Conduit-6203-30-00/202262413

 That looks what you describe.

 I have to ask - from a physics(?) standpoint, what keeps RF out of the
 Liquidtight but not EMT?

 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> If you do conduit you need to use liquidtight with the metal inside.
> EMT will do nothing to stop the RF from bleeding.
> We've done it on several towers with great success.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Chadwick Wachs 
> wrote:
>
>> With two new FM stations moving onto the tower I am on, I need to
>> solve the FM noise problem once and for all.  I've been using Ferrites on
>> each end of the Ethernet cable and its been pretty successful but I 

Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor

[Jeremy Davis]

 I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the
 Dude?  It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text
 msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages,
 traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to
 look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go
 fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support
 crew (daughter or son) to look at.

So does nagios and cacti.  They are also open source so you can write any
plug-in you need including non-snmp device checks.  Cacti has tons of
premade templates that can be found all over the net. I use nagios to check
to see if linux boxes are up to date and a variety of other non-typical, non
snmp monitoring situations.  I also have the ability to provision the
information to the NMS systems from my billing system so I can setup all of
my information in one location and push it out to all of the other
systems.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis 
Maximum Technologies, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

[Jeremy Davis]

 Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on
 their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as
 well
 as their billing platforms.

We trunk with vitelity.net.  The prices are not too bad unless you are in an
expensive rate center.  If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a
dime on unlimited type services.

We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. 


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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

[Jeremy Davis]

 Are you using the Freeside Asterisk server?

Nope.  We are currently using Trixbox.

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

[Jeremy Davis]

 We don't care about CDRs as we give an all you can eat long distance
 feature.  We will look at the totals month by month to see if we are
 making
 out OK or loosing our shirt.

If that is the case then about any billing solution can handle your needs.
Out of curiosity does Vox charge extra for international calls or are they
disabled? 

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

[Jeremy Davis]

 Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls.

Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records.

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Re: [WISPA] OT Mail help

[Jeremy Davis]

 anyone can decifer where this email is comming from? we have a Exchange
 server for our office, all users are receving this spam

host86-139-131-61.range86-139.btcentralplus.com is the offender. 
Btcentralplus.com is the reverse domain for British Telecom DSL customers, I 
think.  We get a lot of spam from them on the spam boxes we maintain.  Most 
likely it's a person with a virus/hacked server etc...

Sincerely,

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Re: [WISPA] OT Excel Help

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 Thanks, I'll check it out

Let me know if you can't get it done with Excel.  It would take me like 10 
minutes to write something in perl to make it happen.

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Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have

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2009/10/19 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 My next project will be to build a cable rack for it.  A lot of electricians
 use them.  Just a tool kit with a handle on top and a removable pipe that
 you can slide the spool on.

http://www.licensedelectrician.com/Store/RT/Rack-A-Tiers_Page.htm

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Re: [WISPA] New install driving me crazy....

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2009/10/18 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 On some of our 5 gig I have gone as high as a 3' dish for a customer on a
 ptmp system.  He's around 15 miles from the tower and gets a steady 3/2
 megs.  The max that his Alvarion VL unit will allow.  Pretty cool stuff.
 marlon

There is a VL unit with an external antenna? I haven't been able to
find such a beast.



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Low Voltage Disconnect

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2009/10/22 Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com:
 Any comments on this unit?

 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=58646eventPage=1

Not sure what your application is, but we have been happy with these:

http://www.newmartelecom.com/EPS/EPS.html



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Re: [WISPA] juniper

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2009/10/23 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com:
 I have to say that uptime usually doesn't mean it's a solid product,
 rather it has had sufficient power for that time.  I have had Windows
 95 running for months and XP for a good 3 years.

 Now if I wanted to bash Cisco I would point at the incident this week
 with Level3 in Atlanta.

What happened? I didn't see anything on NANOG about it.



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Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

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Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.

On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
 cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.

 Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
 customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
 unfriendly building (large metal building with various metal additions).
 It may be necessary to have multiple cellular boosters to provide the
 indoor coverage they need. I'm studying the various brands at Tessco,
 and they include the wi-ex series, Wilson, and Digital Antenna Inc.

 Seems these are amps, do I need to be concerned about feedback between
 systems if these are within earshot of each other? I know the outdoor
 antenna has to be sufficiently isolated from the indoor antenna to
 provide the gain, which shouldn't be a problem based on the type of
 construction. Has anyone does a project like this?


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[WISPA] Has the guy who invented the u.fl connector been lynched yet?

[Jeremy Parr]

Just wonder...



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Re: [WISPA] Has the guy who invented the u.fl connector been lynched yet?

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/10/27 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com:
 To those of you who haven't figured this out...take up a whole box
 (routerboard, radio, connectors, etc) already done on the ground.  Carry the
 box up, swap it out.  Don't piss around with those u.fl on towers -
 dangerous and very infuriating.

Or even better, don't use anything with u.fls on a tower. I can't
understand why any vendor would still be producing product with them
marketed for WISP use. Hint hint Mikrotik.



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Re: [WISPA] 1U case for Mikrotik RB450G?

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2009/10/27 Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com:
 Where did you find that?

Looks smi-custom. You can find the blank 1U enclosures lots of places,
you would just need to add a power supply, mounting plates, and a
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[WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

[Jeremy Parr]

I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable.
One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90'
ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have
tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates
dramatically. When the antennas were installed and configured for a
5Mhz channel, I was able to aim them to -55, but still they go down
during parts of the day. I have a second antenna hung on the 200ft
end, at about 185', connected to a second R5H set up for H-Pol which I
am going to light up as soon as I get the other end mounted H-Pol. Any
other suggestions for getting this stable? I also notice some
strangeness when doing bandwidth tests. I can get a steady 8mbps
downstream from the 200ft end to the 50' end, but from the 50' end to
the 200ft end, the transfer starts at about 6mbps, then slowly drops
down to 0, and the client radio (the 50' end) drops. My assumption is
multipath reflections off of the water at the lower end, but I cannot
be sure. The water is tidal, with as much as a 3' change from low to
high, and is connected to the ocean, so there can be considerable chop
and wave action on the surface.
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Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/10/28 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 It's probably ducting.  Where the conditions in the AIR literally bend the
 signal over or under your receive antennas.

 You'll likely have to put in a system designed with something called
 antenna diversity.  Basically two antennas for each link.  One 10 to 20'
 higher than the other one.  Then the radio will listen to the two of them
 and switch to the one with the greater signal levels for it's data flow.

 I always wanted to try this using a splitter placed EXACTLY in the middle of
 the two.  But with wave lengths so small I don't think it's likely that I'd
 get it close enough without a lot of blind luck (get it wrong and you create
 multipath inside the cables).

Exactly. My thoughts went to an 802.11n card, with two antennas on each end.



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Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/10/28 Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net:
 Its relevent to disclose the radio OS type using. (You stated using a R5H a
 Mikrotik card, but weren't clear if using Mikrotik OS).
 The symptom you are explaining sounds similar to how some of my Mikrotik OS
 units had responsed to noise.
 Basically they kept dropping speed until they disconnected. It was like
 watching a clock tick down to zero, and repeat.  I had this problem recently
 with 900Mhz and MIkrotik, and the problem was curred as soon as I switch to
 a different brand product.  I'm suspect, but not verified, nor conclusive,
 that it could be a Mikrotik driver issue.  The point I'm making is that you
 are likely getting some sort of noise or multi-path (self noise), but the
 overall problem may not be the noise/multi-path but instead the inabilty of
 your product to adequately deal with that noise/multipath RF conditions.

Yup, it is Mikrotik 4.1 at both ends, on Routerboard 433AH boards, fed
by a 24v DC plant (batteries and charger).

 The easiest place to do a science project probably isn't between two towers
 seperated by a 20 mile body of water, but it would make for a very
 interesting and meaningful science project.

The link doesn't have traffic over it, the site is currently fed by a
T1, so I have some time to play mad scientist without any negative
effects to customers.

 Sure a Mimo card w/ Dual Pol (for single stream) or Space Diversity would
 likely help deal with Multipath. But what I wonder is whether the same bad
 results are replicated with other single channel products of similar spec.
 It would be interesting to put up a Tlink-45, get results of it's noise
 survey scan, and see if it overcomes the problem.  Or even try a StarOS box.
 Its also relevent to understand how much of the issue is canceled RF, and
 how much is side effects of 802.11 CDMA? I'm wondering if a TDD system w/
 good ARQ better handles it.

I do have a TLink-45 pair sitting around (non connectorized) that I
could test. Is there a hack to put a pigtail on these? If the power is
turned down on the troublesome end, only possible during the times of
day when the RX level is decent, the bandwidth test runs faster and
longer before it drops to nothing. This might make the link usable, if
Mikrotik had some sort of variable transmit power control to maintain
10-20db SNR.

 My point here is in an ideal world a radio should never have the
 characteristic to start at 6mb and slowly go to Zero. Instead it should stay
 at 6mbps, and just have a very high error count. Even if it has 50% packet
 loss it should stay associated, and with a TDD system w/ARQ it likely
 would..

When performing the test, the amount of retransmissions push the data
rate down from 54 to progressively lower modulation speeds. I am
running 5Mhz channels (tried 10, and 20) so this explains the
progressive drop to low throughput and ultimate disconnection in my
mind.

 Also note, if Using Mikrotik, they now support  Atheros's threshold feature,
 to mask out weak signals, this can help reduce multipath signal.
 (although use cutiously as there can be significant fade of water with
 Fog/Clouds/evaporation/Solar and such.)

 Obviously if you switched to a TDD MIMO system, you'd optimize your chance
 for success, but you would not be able to learn what factor most helped the
 improvement.



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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Omni

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/10/29 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com:
 What about sectorized omni arrays, any of those out there at 5.8?

 An example would be
 http://www.netkrom.com/prod_ant_5.1-5.8ghz_vpol_sector_omni.html

 Just can't find anybody who sells it to get an idea on pricing.

I would be very concerned about antenna isolation with that. Using it
with a radio that does not support transmit sync would be a nightmare.



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Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/10/28 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable.
 One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90'
 ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have
 tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates
 dramatically. When the antennas were installed and configured for a
 5Mhz channel, I was able to aim them to -55, but still they go down
 during parts of the day. I have a second antenna hung on the 200ft
 end, at about 185', connected to a second R5H set up for H-Pol which I
 am going to light up as soon as I get the other end mounted H-Pol. Any
 other suggestions for getting this stable? I also notice some
 strangeness when doing bandwidth tests. I can get a steady 8mbps
 downstream from the 200ft end to the 50' end, but from the 50' end to
 the 200ft end, the transfer starts at about 6mbps, then slowly drops
 down to 0, and the client radio (the 50' end) drops. My assumption is
 multipath reflections off of the water at the lower end, but I cannot
 be sure. The water is tidal, with as much as a 3' change from low to
 high, and is connected to the ocean, so there can be considerable chop
 and wave action on the surface.


I just swapped this link to H-Pol, and it needs to be watched
overnight, but looks good so far. Signal fluctuating between -59 and
-66 on a 20mhz channel, CCQ at 90/90 or better. After flipping to
H-Pol, the channel was still set to 5Mhz, and the same fast start and
slowdown was occurring, the radio would disassociate with poll
timeouts and too many retransmissions. Switching to a 20mhz channel
fixed this.

status: running
  duration: 3m59s
tx-current: 15.7Mbps
  tx-10-second-average: 18.0Mbps
  tx-total-average: 17.4Mbps
rx-current: 16.3Mbps
  rx-10-second-average: 17.2Mbps
  rx-total-average: 17.2Mbps
  lost-packets: 60
   random-data: no
 direction: both
   tx-size: 1500
   rx-size: 1500



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Re: [WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik

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2009/11/5 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com:
 Wds and nstreme have all kinds of problems without wireless-test I think.

Doesn't 4.x roll up wireless-test and routing-test from the 4.x betas
in to the stable train?



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Re: [WISPA] Miami hotel

[Jeremy Parr]

I'm also stuck in Miami this weekend. We were headed to Mexico until
Ida changed those plans. Anyone up for a group dinner Sunday night?

On 11/7/09, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
 Jump on Hotels.com and take your pick. Plenty of great places all over the
 town, in all ranges of prices and amenities. To suit your taste..


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 Subject: [WISPA] Miami hotel

 Hi,

 My flight plans just changed for the cruise trip, so I will need a hotel for
 tomorrow (Sunday) night in Miami. Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] Freeside

[Jeremy Davis]

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:37 -0600, ccrum wrote:
 Scratch that last. I deleted the database and started over. Now I get 
 this error:
 
 [frees...@localhost /]$ freeside-setup -d dot11net.com
 NO CONFIGURATION TABLE FOUND at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/FS/UID.pm 
 line 131.
 DBD::mysql::db do failed: BLOB/TEXT column 'job' used in key 
 specification without a key length at /usr/bin/freeside-setup line 109.
 CREATE error: BLOB/TEXT column 'job' used in key specification without a 
 key length
 doing statement: CREATE  INDEX h_queue3 ON h_queue ( job ) at 
 /usr/bin/freeside-setup line 109.

Check out this thread on our web forum:
http://www.freeside.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=544

This should take care of it.  I would, however, strongly reccommend the
use of postgresql over mysql.


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Re: [WISPA] Freeside

[Jeremy Davis]

On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 16:01 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
 That's kinda sad.  All or nothing.

Its not really sad.  It is nearly impossible to support an application
as complex as Freeside without understanding how it was setup and if it
is installed/configured properly to begin with.

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[WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

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Before I reinvent the wheel with an Expect script or SNMP query, does
anyone have scripts written for automating bandwidth/MAC allocations
for the VL? It does not support RADIUS, so any automated changes need
to be pushed via telnet or SNMP.



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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Access Control

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/11/26 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 Before I reinvent the wheel with an Expect script or SNMP query, does
 anyone have scripts written for automating bandwidth/MAC allocations
 for the VL? It does not support RADIUS, so any automated changes need
 to be pushed via telnet or SNMP.

Since there wasn't anything out there, here is what I hacked up...
just set your snmprw community and go.

#!/bin/bash

# Syntax
# alvmac.sh add/remove ip address or hostname mac address with spaces

# Example
# alvmac.sh add 10.254.9.77 00 16 cf b7 9d f7

# SNMP R/W Community
snmprw=private

intent=$1
alvau=$2
let mac[1]=0x$3
let mac[2]=0x$4
let mac[3]=0x$5
let mac[4]=0x$6
let mac[5]=0x$7
let mac[6]=0x$8

if [ $intent == add ] ; then
action=4
fi

if [ $intent == remove ] ; then
action=6
fi

snmpset -c $snmprw -v 1 $alvau
1.3.6.1.4.1.12394.1.1.5.10.6.1.2.${mac[1]}.${mac[2]}.${mac[3]}.${mac[4]}.${mac[5]}.${mac[6]}
i $action



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Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/12/3 ccrum cc...@dot11net.com:
 The link to the enclosures from belowreposted here:

 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp=

 although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen 
 plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a 
 particularly cold day last year.

 http://www.dot11net.com/pics/dce_water.html

We use the same hinged enclosure, but grease the o-ring to get a better seal.



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Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

[Jeremy Parr]

Titan Wireless offers an upgrade option when ordering this enclosure
that replaces all the steel with stainless. Looks nicer, goes together
nicer, and doesn't rust.

On 12/4/09, rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 You got that right! Very difficult to weatherproof once mounted on the
 tower. Even if it's not on the tower it is difficult if the bottom mounting
 ear is attached.

 Plus- they weather badly and look horrible after a year.
 Plus- the 4 screws for the cover rust.
 Plus- we don't see how, but the weatherproof gland that protects the RJ45
 socket on the bottom somehow allows water in. We will lose connectivity and
 then go up the tower only to find the plug completely corroded in the jack.
 Instant need to replace the radio.  We have one dow right now that has half
 a city's mesh network down, as it is a signal injection source point.



 Ralph




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure

 Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to
 weather proof connectors.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure


 Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case?  Do you normally use
 steel if not?

 I use these:
 http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp=

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 I've given up on this.  There is just too much cross talk.  I put all
 radios
 in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays.  I try to keep
 them
 at least 3 or 6 feet apart too.  Life is much much nicer.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure


  Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my
  messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject.
 
  I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea.  I do
  have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been
  afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case.
 
  The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to
  create a sort of Faraday shield?  I know the XRx cards do a good job
  of shielding if you attach the pigtail.
 
  How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards?  Has that been an
  issue?  I think the XR cards have better specs.  Wouldn't having
  multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too?
 
  Mike
 
 
  At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
 Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the
 box,
 the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in
 their
 own
 box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to
 a
 central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away.
  That's
 one that I'm doing just to do it, basically.  Was an idea from someone
 a
 couple of months ago.  (I actually listen to you guys)  Had a 600a
 doing
 nothing and some 411 cards so why not play? was my thinking.
 
 Bob-
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors
 
 Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same
 spectrum in the same box?  I've thought about that but wondered if
 there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes
 another one listening.
 
 
 At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
  Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall.  We aren't lucky enough to
 push
  3
  meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your
  customer
 base.
  
  I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into

  2
  180
  degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more
  customers.  You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you
 just
  do
  2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to
  where
  you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for
  more
  growth.  I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per
 sector.
  I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I
 only
  dole out 1mb per sub typically.  I've also been upgrading some of my
  remote
  AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni.  The
  anticipated upgrade path is to just 

Re: [WISPA] Cleaning N Connectors

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/12/7 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 If it were me?

 Toss em and start over.

 Not worth the trouble.  Once corrosion starts it's hard to stop it.
 marlon

He could always solder new N connectors to the antenna element, and be
good as new. The Andrew sectors are a good unit, it'd be a shame to
toss em.



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Re: [WISPA] The long day...final insult

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/12/7 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com:
 Sorry, Mike.  I think he's mine.  He got out yesterday, haven't seen him
 since.  Pees everywhere, rubber tape used to help but not anymore.  See if
 he answers to the name Jihad.  If so I'll drop by and get him.

 I've been losing that cat a lot.  Thought Jihad would be a cool name for a
 cat until I found myself outside yelling for the cat and it got me
 noticed.  Lesson: Don't stand outside in a Jewish neighborhood yelling out
 your cats name over and over especially if the cats name is Jihad.  I'm on a
 list now.  I'm not sure what it means but I'm sure I'll find out.

I had a cat who I named Mohammad, then I adopted another named Darwin.
They never did get along, and Darwin ended up chasing Mohammad away.

True story.



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Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/12/7 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net:
 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 The free market really does work.   We use it daily in our business...
 Now

 imagine if we used it for health care, too.    We know how to do that, don't
 we?


 There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and basic
 medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans have better
 access to the former than the latter shows that in this instance the free
 market has failed miserably.

and the govt run muni-wifi has been such a success story



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

[Jeremy Parr]

Trango uses SMA connectors for their external antennas, but with
LMR240, rather than whatever it is that UBNT uses.

2009/12/18 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com:
 I haven't come across that little issue yet, thanks for the heads up!  I
 like the price and some of the shortcuts contribute to that but you're
 right, some things need to be more rugged for where they are installed and
 even HOW they are installed.  The mounting brackets are fantastic, I was
 impressed by them but the connectors are the opposite.  I can accept the SMA
 connectors but only if they're going to the attached rocket.  I still shake
 my head at it though.  Must be my old way of thinking.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

 We found the same problem with the sna cables on the airmax sectors.
 Pull just a little bit too hand and the cable pulls out of the
 connecter. Why any manufacturer would think that cables that small are
 suitable for outdoor use is beyond me.

 On 12/18/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 I've had 2 of the Bullet5HP's have bad connectors, not the 2's.  Being the
 geek type, took them apart and found that the fingers coming off the
 connector had very little solder on them and none was only under the
 connector and not on the sides or top.  Essentially only enough to tack it
 on.  The first one that came loose I thought it was my fault for pushing
 it
 too hard so I didn't do an RMA and just fixed it myself and when the
 second
 happened, fixed that one too.  Easier than an RMA just for solder.
 Personally I'd like to see a more robust LAN connector and have it
 attached
 better in the front to avoid rocking.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

 I'll double-check the connectors and let you know.

 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:

 Rick,

 I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with
 the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something.

 Regards
 Michael Baird
  Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got
 wont
  connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect but
 have
  80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous
  shipments have worked great. -RickG
 
 
 


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

[Jeremy Parr]

No, but they could have put the connectors on the bottom of the
antenna, and on the bottom of the radio (where they belong!) And used
a 12 piece of lmr240.

On 12/18/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Yeah, that would be a nicer cable.  Honestly I'm afraid of popping the
 connector off the UBNT ones when I have to bend it so sharply.  It must have
 been another tradeoff since the area between the rocket and the connector on
 the antenna is so small, you probably couldn’t bend a much thicker cable in
 such a tight loop.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

 Trango uses SMA connectors for their external antennas, but with
 LMR240, rather than whatever it is that UBNT uses.

 2009/12/18 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com:
 I haven't come across that little issue yet, thanks for the heads up!  I
 like the price and some of the shortcuts contribute to that but you're
 right, some things need to be more rugged for where they are installed and
 even HOW they are installed.  The mounting brackets are fantastic, I was
 impressed by them but the connectors are the opposite.  I can accept the
 SMA
 connectors but only if they're going to the attached rocket.  I still
 shake
 my head at it though.  Must be my old way of thinking.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

 We found the same problem with the sna cables on the airmax sectors.
 Pull just a little bit too hand and the cable pulls out of the
 connecter. Why any manufacturer would think that cables that small are
 suitable for outdoor use is beyond me.

 On 12/18/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 I've had 2 of the Bullet5HP's have bad connectors, not the 2's.  Being
 the
 geek type, took them apart and found that the fingers coming off the
 connector had very little solder on them and none was only under the
 connector and not on the sides or top.  Essentially only enough to tack
 it
 on.  The first one that came loose I thought it was my fault for pushing
 it
 too hard so I didn't do an RMA and just fixed it myself and when the
 second
 happened, fixed that one too.  Easier than an RMA just for solder.
 Personally I'd like to see a more robust LAN connector and have it
 attached
 better in the front to avoid rocking.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2HP

 I'll double-check the connectors and let you know.

 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:

 Rick,

 I read something about guys complaining about high rates of failure with
 the connectors on the latest batch 10/22/2009 or something.

 Regards
 Michael Baird
  Anyone having issues with flaky Bullet2HP units? The last batch I got
 wont
  connect to my StarOS/WRAP's. Actually, I discovered they do connect
 but
 have
  80+% packet loss. I updated them to 3.5 firmware but no help. Previous
  shipments have worked great. -RickG
 
 
 



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/12/30 Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com:
 We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their
 emails from our mail server with their Blackberries.   The calls started
 on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a
 week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely.

 No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this
 problem.   Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues.

RIM recently (as in about a week ago) had some major outages, could be
that whatever broke didn't get fixed for you.



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Re: [WISPA] Baby, it's cold out there! Bullet5M has the flu.

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/6 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com:
 Was out last night at 11:30, up on top of a grain bin trying to figure out
 why my network was dropping out.  Using UBNT for the backhaul in this
 section so I was using the Ubiquiti Discovery tool.  I would see NO UBNT
 equipment, then I'd see a few then all then none, etc.  Finally traced it
 down to a Bullet5 M HP.  The thing was in a constant reset mode but not one
 I'd seen before.  Some of the early units (and this is an early unit) would
 have the reset button stuck in because of the lack of clearance around the
 hole that the reset button is in..  but this one, the RSSI lights were
 pegged to the max but that's normal on this install.  I Could see the
 signal with my laptop but couldn't talk to the unit through the lan.  I took
 the antenna off of it and the RSSI stayed all the way pegged.  Tried to
 reset it, no go.  Finally went down to the van, got another Bullet, replaced
 it and configured it all the while fighting the wind..  Shsh...  took it
 home and when I fired it up I lost all the 5ghz signal from my other
 equipment in the room.  Tried other channels, all gone.  My guess is, the
 Bullet was stuck in some some sort of loop and was broadcasting all across
 the spectrum at once.  That would explain why, out in the field, I would
 lose everything like a roller coaster.  After about an hour of warming up I
 was able to reset it, flash the firmware just to be sure it wasn't a
 firmware issue and set it out in the cold to test it.  Working fine this
 morning as a test unit but I've never seen one blast the entire spectrum at
 once.  Or at least all the channels in such a quick succession.

Is this the thread where we try to one up each other with the odd
things that our Ubiquiti gear does? If so, I had a Nanostation talking
to a Rocket, both in bridge mode, with Mikrotik's on the wired side at
both ends, showing up as a hop in a traceroute. Traceroute would show
other hosts on the network (correctly) then the MT on the Rocket end,
then the Nanostation, and then the MT on the Nanostation end. I double
and triple checked that the radios were set as bridges.



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Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/11 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 Hiya Roman,

 We bill per bit.  That way we don't care what the customer is doing, all
 we're worried about is how much they uses.  Run edonkey and you'll get an
 extra bill.  Download Netflix and you'll get an extra bill etc.

 MOST of the time we catch virus's for our customers.  It's actually a pretty
 good sales tool.  Netflix is changing that somewhat though.
 marlon

That is a very hard sell for transient hotspot users. You'd probably
have close to 100% chargebacks for the customers who get an extra
bill.



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[WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

[Jeremy Parr]

I'm having issues with OSPF (Mikrotik) traversing an Airmax sector.
Network consists of a Routerboard running 4.1, connected to a Rocket
sector running XM.v5.1. Client radio is a Nanostation also running
XM.v5.1, connected to a Routerboard running 4.2. The first routerboard
has a number of ospf neighbors on the same interface the Rocket is
connected to (there is a switch between the physical interface and the
Rocket) but when a neighbor relationship is established over the UBNT
link, strange things happen. Running a traceroute to the loopback
address of the MT results in a routing loop, with the Nanostation
showing up as a L3 hop. I have yet to do a packet dump, but my guess
is that somehow the UBNT radio is mangling the OSPF multicast traffic
and inserting itself in to the path. The notes on the UBNT forum
regarding OSPF seem to indicate that enabling multicast forwarding on
the radio is all that is required. See below for the MT OSPF config.

/routing ospf instance
set default comment= disabled=no distribute-default=never
in-filter=ospf-in metric-bgp=20 metric-connected=20 metric-default=1
metric-other-ospf=\
auto metric-rip=20 metric-static=20 name=default
out-filter=ospf-out redistribute-bgp=no redistribute-connected=no
redistribute-other-ospf=no \
redistribute-rip=no redistribute-static=no router-id=10.254.12.3
/routing ospf area
set backbone area-id=0.0.0.0 comment= disabled=no instance=default
name=backbone type=default
add area-id=0.0.0.1 comment= disabled=no instance=default name=1 type=default
/routing ospf interface
add authentication=md5 authentication-key=secret
authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 dead-interval=40s
disabled=no hello-interval=10s \
instance-id=0 interface=wlan1 network-type=broadcast passive=no
priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s
add authentication=md5 authentication-key=secret
authentication-key-id=1 comment= cost=10 dead-interval=40s
disabled=no hello-interval=10s \
instance-id=0 interface=ether1 network-type=broadcast passive=no
priority=1 retransmit-interval=5s transmit-delay=1s
/routing ospf network
add area=1 comment= disabled=no network=10.0.0.0/8



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[Jeremy Parr]

When are you writing you how to mount anything on anything book? We
have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself
to this elite group :-)

On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole
 without a manlift or crane with a basket

 The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two
 solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand
 it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard
 open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can
 run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or
 similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or
 special latches.

 Now the warning..

 As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a
 stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.

 You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they
 are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install
 super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to
 return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.

 They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow
 awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.

 The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they
 crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older
 poles they can be as much as $5K.

 If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble.
 When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can
 get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios,
 antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your
 cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the
 install.

 When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and
 consider everything especially the unknown.

 Personally I would walk away.

 Good Luck

 -B-
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net
 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

 I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J
 mounts. On
 another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded
 studs
 off the angle.

 Scott Carullo wrote:
 I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?
 Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.

 Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I
 can
 shimmie that high lol

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102


 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

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2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com:
 Make sure you have Multicast Data enabled or whatever on the Advanced tab.
 Pulled my hair out over this for a couple days, then realized if it's not
 checked, you get one-way OSPF.
 Checked it, rebooted, and everything has been happy since.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

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2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com:
 Broadcast, I guess.  Whatever is default on MT.

Default is broadcast. I think I may have resolved the issue by setting
the AP (Rocket) and client (Nanostation) to WDS mode. The Ubiquiti is
staying out of the IP path now.



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Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT Cisco PoE

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2010/1/13 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net:
 I believe I need a AIR-PWRINJ3 PoE injector for a Cisco 7960 phone.  Would 
 anything we use be an appropriate replacement?

7960 will take passive (non 802.3af) PoE, depending on the revision.
They are protected (at least in my experience) against reversed
polarity.



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Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!

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2010/1/14 chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com:
 If you for some reason would rather not give to Lifeline you can go here
 to give your $100:

 www.doctorswithoutborders.org
 www.redcross.org
 http://www.oxfam.org/en/emergencies

I will second the appeal to support Doctors Without Borders.



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Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/14 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 2010/1/14 chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com:
 If you for some reason would rather not give to Lifeline you can go here
 to give your $100:

 www.doctorswithoutborders.org
 www.redcross.org
 http://www.oxfam.org/en/emergencies

 I will second the appeal to support Doctors Without Borders.

Google has created a database for people looking for immediate aid, it
may be useful.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t0Ya6eH0L7fn599qN4WsJkwoutput=html
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Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!

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2010/1/14 RickG rgunder...@gmail.com:
 You guys are the best for doing this but be careful who and where you send
 money. Unfortunately, there are a lot of scam artist that will take
 advantage of situations like this.

Yes, I would avoid the missionary groups. Doctors Without Borders is
legit, and the Red Cross is always a fairly safe bet.



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Re: [WISPA] Send MONEY Now!

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2010/1/14 Mike m...@aweiowa.com:
 Absolutely not true with the RED Cross.  You get a big bang for your buck,
 and they are always the first to respond with relief, know what they're
 doing, and do it well.

 At redcross.org you can even use Amazon payments to get your donation on the
 way.

 Do it, it'll make you feel good.

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Re: [WISPA] multiple networks on one cable...

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2010/1/14 Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com:
 I am moving my servers to a new location in the same building. I only
 have 2 Ethernet runs from the current room to the new. I also have
 several networks to move. What would it hurt to have several different
 IP networks traveling across a single cable for say a week as I moved
 the servers, ie, 10.25.1.x and 172.22.1.x and 172.22.255.x all plugged
 into the same switch?

Why not trunk them as tagged vlans?



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Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

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2010/1/18 Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com:
 Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in HaitiThanks Nimesh,

 To the board, we sponsored a site to take donations for Katrina.  I'd like to 
 suggest that we turn that back on for donations for use in any disaster and 
 that we kick loose any remaining funds for the Haiti event.

 To the membership, WISPA has worked with New America for many years.  We are 
 *mostly* on the same page and I know many of the people involved personally.  
 This is a real group of people that do real things, not just a guy or two 
 trying to profit from disasters.

 Nimesh, if you come up with anything even more specific let us know.

The big problem down there right now communications wise, is diesel.
There is a microwave link from DR to a large NAP, and they are down to
eight hours of fuel. This would be a great place to start. There is a
thread on NANOG at the moment in regards to this, and even mentions
the diverse group of wireless people (Prounounced: Camp Shagnasty)
who helped out in Katrina.

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg04234.html



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Re: [WISPA] Syslog

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2010/1/22 Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net:
 Splunk is the way to go for something like that.

Splunk is very nice, a reasonably decent free product I have used and
been relatively happy with is PHPLogCon.



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[WISPA] Fwd: CRISISTELCOM2 is entry for Helping

[Jeremy Parr]

This might be of interest to some people...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Everett Batey efba...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:18:17 -0800
Subject: CRISISTELCOM2 is entry for Helping
To: na...@nanog.org

If you replied to prior post for CRISISTELCOM .. or are new .. Please, sign
up at na...@nanog.orgCRISISTELCOM2 our entry point to assist with
broad-scope telecommunication needs in disaster as CRISIS HAITI, today, and
others in the future.

Welcoming engineers, managers, ideas for all electronic communications which
are needed and often lost in disasters.

Contact signups  crisistelc...@googlegroups.com   for
http://groups.google.com/group/crisistelcom2

This is for tech and business volunteers to help, spammers and advertisers
will be banned.

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 a/k/a  lionever...@gmail.com  or efb...@cotdazr.org
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Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Update

[Jeremy Davis]

 Did she say if he had a stint?

He did.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis, CEO
Maximum Technologies, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman OT

[Jeremy Davis]

 HmmHeart-healthy Diet Rodizio

 How's the salad bar there anyway?

Haven't seen one of those since I have been down here :)

Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis, CEO
Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Jeremy Davis]

 I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's
 something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.

There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems, change an 
IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to non-payment portals, 
use radius to dole out IP address ranges, authentication, encryption, and 
automatic bandwidth rules via MT's.  These are just a few of the cool things 
can result with PPPoE / Radius systems.  Like David said all of these things 
can be done without PPPoE but it is a lot easier to control the customer from 
an external system with these things in place.


Sincerely,

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Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Jeremy Davis]

 I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and
 RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't
 have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or
 whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on
 eBay; they plug it in, it magically works.

I try to avoid DHCP like the plague since there is no good way to detect rouge 
DHCP servers on the network.(I.E. plugging your router in backwards)  most 
people have routers that do PPPoE and Motorola canopy can do PPPoE from the SM. 
 So most of the time the customers just plug in the device into the router and 
there isn't a problem.  In most situations the customers do not even know they 
are on PPPoE.

Sincerely,

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Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
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Re: [WISPA] problems with cisco 7200 and PA-T3

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/5/28 Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com:
 Just installed a cisco 7204vxr with a DS3 interface. we are not getting more
 than 5Mbits.

 show interface is not reporting any errors. the provider tech put a piece
 test equipment on the circuit and sees errors.

 Does anyone else use a cisco 7200 with a DS3 interface that we might be able
 to speak with?

Try the c-nsp list, and be prepared for a backlash for that question
on NANOG. ;-)



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers

[Jeremy Parr]

Nothing but the midrange and higher HP lasers here. As sad as it is to
say, anything lower end is a gamble.

On 6/1/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20  years.  The first printer
 (680c) probably still works.  Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years
 has been garbage.

 The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980,
 which after 403 pages I hear is having problems.

 The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering
 faxes.  Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling
 issues and uses incredible amounts of ink.  I hear it has some fax issues as
 well.

 What printers are worth a damn?  I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but
 I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be
 around.


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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers

[Jeremy Parr]

HP 9200 series will do that. You can even write flows to send jobs to
external programs for faxing, ocr, filing, etc.

On 6/1/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I would love to find a scanner that will store the images to either a local
 media or a networked server...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 I got a HP 6122 deskjet that has printed over 20,000 pages in the last 8
 years without a problem.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers

 I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20  years.  The first printer
 (680c) probably still works.  Anything we've purchased in the past 10
 years
 has been garbage.

 The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980,
 which after 403 pages I hear is having problems.

 The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering
 faxes.  Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling
 issues and uses incredible amounts of ink.  I hear it has some fax issues
 as
 well.

 What printers are worth a damn?  I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but
 I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be
 around.


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Re: [WISPA] DVR experience

[Jeremy Parr]

I've had reasonably good luck with Axis IP Megapixel cams, and OnSSI
DVR software. Bosch has a nice line of traditional cameras, and their
DVRs are hybrid, allowing the addition of IP cameras.

On 6/1/09, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:
 I am using Mobotix for cameras. The DVR software is free. Or the cams
 can perform the DVR function. Hit me offlist and I can give you a link
 to 2 I just put up out of 22 for a small city.


 ryan


 On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:16 PM, George Rogato wrote:

 Anyone working with dvr's and cameras that they really like?

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Re: [WISPA] FTTx

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/15 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net:
 okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked.  Last I knew they had
 peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP.  Now it's peak is
 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB.  I'll
 open it up to PONs.  ;-)

I built a network based around an Alloptic chassis. It is a very nice
solution, can be built out entirely redundantly, even with hot-spare
lasers (by way of a 2 - 1 passive combiner. One box does data and
voice. Voice can be fed via a DS3 or T1, or you can configure the CPEs
to act as ATAs. If you deliver TDM voice to the CPE, you are digital
TDM all the way, so you can use a dialup modem or fax machine behind
the CPE without any issues. Try that with an ATA!. The data connection
to the chassis can be trunked, and subscribers placed in whatever VLAN
you wish. CPE provisioning is easy, just plug it in at the customer
site, and it's MAC will show up in the provisioning software at the
headend, or you can provision ahead of time. RF video can be delivered
over the network as well, by way of an add-on 2U laser source, which
runs at a different wavelength. I have not used it, but have seen it
deployed, and it does the job, even supports bi-direction datastreams,
so digital set top boxes (or even cable modems) will work over the
fiber. I really can't say enough good stuff about this company, their
tech support as been fantastic, and the gear rock solid.

http://www.alloptic.com/products/product.php?p=homegear4000id=131
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Re: [WISPA] FTTx

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/15 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net:
 I like the TDM phone option, though too bad you can only get TDM phone with
 2 VoIP phone.

Did you look at the other CPE options?

 You know when the Edge10 will be out?  ;-)  That looks promising.  It looks
 like they're leapfrogging the 2.5 GB PON technology.

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[WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com


 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.


I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
500mw amp.



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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/19 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com:
 Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no
 better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8
 heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser.

Yes, I'm aware, and I've built it both ways in the past. I will also
be at least a day away from each of these sites, and want to simplify
the upkeep. I'll have someone on the ground who can troubleshoot the
boards and radio cards, but will not climb. The tower labour will be
mostly unskilled, and swapping three amps with coax connections will
be easier for them.



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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

[Jeremy Parr]

I was running a Barracuda for a few years until it died, and had to
implement a Postfix box with some addins in a hurry. The
Postfix+spamassasin+rbls+greylisting now works as well as the
Barracuda, and doesn't require the annual support fees.

On 6/26/09, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote:
 We've been using Barracuda boxes. Pretty happy with them.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

 Have you looked into Postini?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote:

 We're switching to this over this weekend.

 http://www.redcondor.com/products/appliances.htm





 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
  One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something
 called
 ASSP,
  which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy.
 
  It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents
 anyone
 not
  on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall
 rules
  put on the server.
 
  You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered
 outbound
  through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate
 ports
 and
  using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail
 directly
 out.
 
  I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet.
 
  ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an
  authentication and filtering of outbound emails.
 
 
 
 
  
  insert witty tagline here
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff
 
 
 
  Hi All,
 
  What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for
 it's
  reliability, ease of use etc.
 
  Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We
 don't
  catch
  things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.
 This
  has
  now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.
 
  My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other
 than to
  limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone
 rang
  off
  the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.
 
  The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get
 (up
 to
  40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the
 reply
  address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's
 not
  even
  mine (faked info).  sigh
 
  We use Courier MTA.
 
  My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per
 day
  per
  user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of
  messages
  received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of
 all
  those
  sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no
 response
 from
  the server admins.
 
  Suggestions?
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
 
 
 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/26 Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com:
 I'm hearing to avoid the ns2 and go with the ps2/5. Less issues.

 What do folks say?

 I've been putting some decent load in both a hotspot and point to point
 configuration configuration. It's worked flawlessly so far.

 I'm planning to do some pretty serious stress testing on it and see if I
 can break it.

I just logged in to an NS2 (from the wired side) acting as an AP,
changed the ACK timeout, it rebooted (of course) it and never came
back.

*sigh*



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Re: [WISPA] ntop

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/29 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com:
 Maybe you're looking for something like Cacti?  Or custom MRTG graphs.

No, he sounds like he wants NTOP.

Do you have any specific questions? Yes, it can identify most VoIP
traffic, and yes, it can take a netflow feed.



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[WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs

[Jeremy Parr]

I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They
are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on
anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for?



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Re: [WISPA] Limitations of old VL SUs

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/29 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 I'm looking at picking up a gross of old Alvarion 5.8Ghz VL SUs. They
 are a mix of Rev A and B. I know that you can't do 10Mhz channels on
 anything before Rev C, but is there anything else to watch out for?

I found this jewel below:

Rev A was the first version and the AU does not support Modulation 8
Rev B was a new hardware and all devices support Modulation 8 and there
is some frame bundling over the air
Rev C supports total frame concatenation and also supports 10 or 20 MHz
channels for PtMP.



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Re: [WISPA] IRC channel

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/30 Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com:
 All,

 Would there be any interest in creating a jabber or IRC channel for the
 group?

 Sometimes it's more convenient then e-mail for resolving issues.

 What do folks think?

There is #wireless on Freenode, and occasional activity in #routeros



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Re: [WISPA] John Woodfield

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/4 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com:
 Same thing here,

 Had to request refund to google

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...
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I am stealing your signature.



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/7 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com:
 Got a Customer that needs a Cordless VOIP phone for itd retail stores,
 any recommendations? DECT 6

Are you looking for a WiFi VoIP phone? Does this backend in to a PBX?
Are you sure you want DECT? A Senao cordless and an ATA would give you
much better range, unless you need roaming between base stations.



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/7 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net:
 The advantage of DECT is that it uses a custom frequency.  You don't have to
 worry about interference with any of your WISP gear.

Yeah, I have deployed quite a bit of DECT, but if he isn't running any
900mhz, then a Senao is a much better option. The range is very bad
with the DECT stuff, even the fancy multi-thousand dollar enterprise
base stations.



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/7 Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com:
 My GE DECT 6.0 phones have range far better than any other cordless phone
 I've owned. It's a huge difference.

The only way I've gotten decent range out of a DECT phone is by
drilling a hole in the back, and soldering a SMA pigtail to the PCB
with an omni on the back ;-)



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[WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage

[Jeremy Parr]

Anyone know the voltage for the IF cable on the VL/BA stuff?
Apparently they OEM a Polyphaser lightning protector for their stuff,
but they want a lot more dollars than they should for it. I'm looking
to substitute something like the Polyphase NX or IX, but need to match
the IF voltage.

http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-50DC48



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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/13 Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com:
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.  Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff.  In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.

 The Barracuda gives us a few features that we like such as an in house
 box that we are not paying per email address or domain.  Also the per
 user configurability is great for letting users independently control
 their white and blacklists.

 In a nutshell what products should we look at that offer us similar
 features as the Barracuda box.

You can roll your own with Postfix and a few addons. After looking at
the configuration options for a lot of the Postfix addons, you come to
the realization that with a few hours of work, you can have all of the
software tools used by the Barracuda internally, and have root access
to the box to fix it yourself when it goes south, instead of waiting
on them. You can also throw in things like redundant hard drives, and
redundant power. How a company can market a $3k+ device with a single
IDE drive in good conscience is beyond me.

I can't find the link right now, but there is a package that provides
users with an accessible, configurable quarantine, just like the
Barracuda. I'll post the link as soon as it turns up.



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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 2009/7/13 Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com:
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.  Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff.  In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.

 The Barracuda gives us a few features that we like such as an in house
 box that we are not paying per email address or domain.  Also the per
 user configurability is great for letting users independently control
 their white and blacklists.

 In a nutshell what products should we look at that offer us similar
 features as the Barracuda box.

 You can roll your own with Postfix and a few addons. After looking at
 the configuration options for a lot of the Postfix addons, you come to
 the realization that with a few hours of work, you can have all of the
 software tools used by the Barracuda internally, and have root access
 to the box to fix it yourself when it goes south, instead of waiting
 on them. You can also throw in things like redundant hard drives, and
 redundant power. How a company can market a $3k+ device with a single
 IDE drive in good conscience is beyond me.

 I can't find the link right now, but there is a package that provides
 users with an accessible, configurable quarantine, just like the
 Barracuda. I'll post the link as soon as it turns up.


http://www.maiamailguard.com/maia/wiki
http://mailgraph.schweikert.ch/
http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/queuegraph/
http://www.logreport.org/
http://pfqueue.sourceforge.net/
http://www.policyd.org/tiki-index.php



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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/14 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net:
 Don Grossman wrote:
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution.  Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved.  Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff.  In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.

 What kind of problems were/are you having with your Barracudas? On the
 (exceedingly rare) occasion that ours do anything odd, rebooting them
 almost always clears it up.

I've had them get overwhelmed with mail, and the solutions was to wait
for their support to connect in and clear the logs. I could have
done that myself!

What pushed me over the edge, was a failed hard drive. I was running a
Spam Firewall 300, which yes, I know, is not a RAIDed config. (which
is another rabbit hole to go down, considering the box is $3k+) and
the hard drive started to throw errors. The problem, was that these
errors were not evident to us as the admins of the machine. None of
the Barracuda logs indicated any sort of issue. The box got slower and
slower, until one day, it refused to pass mail. When tech support took
a look, they exclaimed that the hard drive had been throwing errors
for quite some time, any now it was too late, the box was dead.

Their solution always worked very well, and I didn't need to think
about it. Until it blew up without telling anyone it planned to.



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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VA/BA IDU to ODU Voltage

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/15 jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com:
 It's something like 54vdc. The transtector lighting arrestor they OEM is
 expensive, but worthwhile for the AUs or ptp links. Transtector will replace
 any damaged arrestors under warranty too. We usually get the ALPU ALVR from
 tessco. http://www.transtector.com/productdetail.aspx?item=1101-640

 Lightning arrestors for 48v will not work. The Alvarion wiring scheme is a bit
 different than POE, so make sure the right pins are rated for the right
 voltages.

 Do keep the list posted if you find something that works well. We'd love to
 put lightning arrestors in more places if they were smaller and less
 expensive.

Not sure of the price point, probably only slightly cheaper, and its
an indoor unit.
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX4-60

There is also the IX outdoor rated model, but I don't see if being
cheaper than the Transtector one.
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=IX-2H2DC56

Tessco also has these guys for $50
http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=NX2-60



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Re: [WISPA] BSD master.passwd to linux passwd

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/15 Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com:
 I need to convert 3200 Freebsd user accounts over to linux passwd format has
 anyone done this?
 I REALLY don't want to add each user account one at a time.

 Shell script? Perl ?

It'd be pretty trivial with grep and awk. Here is an ugly script I
used to add users to a mail server from a flat text file.

#!/bin/bash

i=1

while [ $i != 2 ]
do
firstname=`cat -n fullusers.txt |grep $i |awk -F\  '{print
$2}'|head -n 1`
lastname=`cat -n fullusers.txt |grep $i |awk -F\  '{print
$3}'|head -n 1`
password=`/root/scripts/password.py`
echo rs-$firstname.$lastname
#   echo $password
echo eMail\: $firstname.$lastna...@domain.com Password\:
$passworduserpass.txt
useradd -g users -d /home/rs-$firstname.$lastname -s
/bin/false -m rs-$firstname.$lastname
/root/scripts/chpasswd rs-$firstname.$lastname $password
echo $firstname.$lastname\: rs-$firstname.$lastname 
/etc/exim/domain.com
let i += 1
done



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[WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Jeremy Parr]

I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any
tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and
sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?).



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Jeremy Parr]

TR5821 units, and sniffing with wireshark revealed nothing. They don't
seem to speak until spoken to.

On 7/17/09, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Are these TR-5800's or the older ZX-5800's from Tranzeo



 - Original Message 
 From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:08:57 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

 I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any
 tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and
 sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?).


 
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any
 tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and
 sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?).

Ok, I got these things reset. All four units responded on the default
IP address after resetting, despite not transmitting a single bit of
data out of their wired ports before. See the pictures in the link for
info on making your own Tranzeo reset tool.

http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/17 Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com:
 Jeremy,

 Do you have accompanying documentation, I've got a few dead ones I'd
 like to see about resurrecting.

Drill the hole in the location shown, and feel around for the reset
switch. Power on while holding the reset button. I gave it 15 seconds.



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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-5800 Access

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/7/17 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 I have a few used TR-5800s that I do not know the IP address so. Any
 tricks to locating it? The MAC address is worn off the back label, and
 sniffing the wire reveals no activity (should it?).

This is what happens to misbehaving Tranzeo radios that don't do what
I tell them. Please take note.

http://www.gonzorock.com/gallery/v/Jeremy/TranzeoReset/IMG00586.jpg.html



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