Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders
You could do 400' IF you lock it down at 10Mbps. But then, what would be the point :) On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Bob that's a great idea, the second one. I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run however. Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine. Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters. Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet over coax on the other. Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap. -B- Jason Hensley wrote: Considering close to 400' total length. I've seen all the posts and I don't think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely not - owner won't allow that. The Outreach product is interesting, and I've seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well or not. NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters? I need to get higher than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 32, Issue 21
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Re: [WISPA] 4G carrier for carriers
It looks like yet another attempt at satellite broadband. More big bucks to outer space! Spectrum assets and financing. *LightSquared* already owns valuable high quality spectrum assets, including 59 Mhz of nationwide ubiquitous spectrum in an advantageous frequency position. In addition to the $2.9 billion of assets already contributed by Harbinger Capital Partners and affiliates,*LightSquared* has additional debt and equity financing of up to $1.75 billion. Harbinger Capital Partners Harbinger Capital Partners is a leading private investment fund based in New York with $10 billion in assets under management. The firm was founded in 2001 and employs a fundamental approach to deep value and distressed credit investing. Harbinger is led by Philip A. Falcone, its Chief Executive Officer, who has over 20 years of investment experience across an array of market cycles. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/ Anyone following these guys? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 GHz Canopy and 900 MHz
I had a similar issue except it worked in my benefit. I gave them IP connectivity for their SCADA, they waived my tower fee, and all are happy. They never did find the issue with the 900MHz but all is well. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I'm guessing the chance is about as close to zero as you can get, but... I have some 5 GHz Canopy on a water tower and they are having communications issues on their 900 MHz SCADA system. Their solution is to unplug my stuff for an hour or two to see if it goes away. Their problems started the same time I lost GPS on my CMM... I'm assuming mother nature. I changed out a 5.2 GHz link with a 5.7 GHz link and put in a SyncPipe Parasitic. Not exactly anything that could interfere with 900 MHz that I can think of. Of course their vendor doesn't see it my way. What chance is it that I'm to blame? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
While I dont like vendor lock in for myself, I'm a techie. For a serious business customer, vendor lock in is far less of an issue than getting proper support. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, L. Aaron Kaplan aa...@lo-res.org wrote: On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ralph wrote: Never asked because we don’t use them for making the mesh. We use only Tropos, although 3 systems we did for another company required Cisco product. I will never deploy Cisco mess(h) again-LOL. The Peps are the CPEs we use. In a muni mesh, the CPE radios are clients, not part of the mesh. The Pep CPEs work great with Tropos and the Peps were actually the original recommended CPE for use with Google WiFi in Mountain View when they began. Interesting. Well, I still believe, RFCs and open standards are the only way to go when building mesh networks. Everything else leads to a vendor lock in. But nevertheless it is interesting what proprietary vendor mesh solutions do and how well they perform. Is there any way to find out if one mesh solution will interact with a different vendor's solution? a. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
I love my RB1000 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Replace it with xomething else…. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Thats nice. Guess what I'm getting for Christmas! On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I use the MikroNOC from Titan…Don’t trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000’s in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* n...@brevardwireless.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent*: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else…. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Same results here. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Running a RB1000 here for core router over a year without single hiccup. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:31 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RB1100 I use the MikroNOC from Titan…Don’t trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000’s in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* n...@brevardwireless.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent*: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else…. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Aw! Now you made me mark up my Christmas list! On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's the same. All these distributors NAME their gear as their own devices. One distributor will support you without the added fees, and the other will charge you the fees. It's cheaper at Titan. When I owned QuickLink Wireless, it was these types of things that separated us from other distributors; how the customer was supported. I will withhold any comment towards Dennis for two reasons, 1) I have never had direct experience with Dennis and his support. 2) nothing good will come out of what I have to say. On the other hand, I have worked with Jim Patient and Mike Delp before without much issue. All this hardware is from AxiomTek. It's readily available for import. If you want to bypass any of these distributors you can, and build it up for around $1k or maybe a little less (these prices fluctuate like memory and processors). There are a handful of master distributors that will sell them to you. www.axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=429 www.axiomtek.com/products/ListProduct.asp?ptype1=209ptype2=231ptype3=233 You can also find multiple other platforms by other manufacturers that will work just fine. We built one for SOCOMM that was pretty impressive and cost around $5k. Way overkill, but it's what they wanted. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 That looks to be the same exact thing as Dennis' Power Router 732. I have the same hardware. Works great on MT outside of 3.14-20. I have about 500 days of uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I use the MikroNOC from Titan...Don't trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000's in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: n...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput
I'm assuming you have, but I've never had much luck with G mode. With that said, I just fixed a similar issue by using a a Bullet2HP (non M). -RickG On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a bunch of my equipment burnt on a tower. Previously I had all Tranzeo. Now I put up a Powerstation2 for my main AP with a Tranzeo 17 dbi sector. I'm getting a max throughput of around 3 mbits. That's looking at the throughput graphs in the PS2. Once I'm reaching that throughput though, pings to certain clients go way up to over 2 seconds. I do my testing from linux, using ping IP -i .01 -s 1024 or even take the 1024 up to 2048. I can do this to 3 clients at 1024 packet size..Once I start pushing it to a 4th client, pings get lost and replies come back 2 seconds later. Is this normal?? I'm looking into it because I have clients complaining they loose connection completely sometimes. When I ping to 3 clients, I can hardly ping any other clients. no response. I've pinged the AP during this whole time and it never flaps. Very solid at a few ms. The previous Tranzeo AP had no problems. Clients are mostly Tranzeo SL2s and their distances vary from 1/2 mile to about 3 miles Here's the station list with their signal strength: Station MAC Signal, dBm Noise, dBm Tx Rate Rx Rate Idle (sec) 00:15:6D:1A:0A:05 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -54 -96 48M 36M 0 00:60:B3:E9:24:25 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -69 -96 24M 18M 0 00:13:4F:10:09:0F http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -49 -96 48M 36M 0 00:15:6D:1A:0F:D7 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -74 -96 11M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:DB http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -78 -96 18M 5M 15 00:1C:F0:EA:57:06 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -75 -96 11M 11M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:C2 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -72 -96 36M 18M 15 00:60:B3:45:37:60 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -75 -96 11M 12M 0 00:13:4F:00:97:96 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -52 -96 54M 36M 0 00:13:4F:00:8E:E5 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -64 -96 48M 11M 0 00:13:4F:00:A6:E6 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -65 -96 36M 24M 0 00:13:4F:00:C3:91 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -77 -96 5M 12M 15 00:13:4F:00:B7:FA http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -82 -96 36M 1M 15 00:60:B3:59:89:54 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -72 -96 36M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:C5:C4 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -77 -96 18M 12M 0 00:13:4F:00:A7:00 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -76 -96 11M 12M 15 00:0B:6B:37:E5:2B http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -67 -96 24M 36M 15 00:13:4F:10:01:D5 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -54 -96 11M 36M 0 00:13:4F:00:8B:83 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -68 -96 36M 18M 0 00:13:4F:00:D8:08 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -81 -96 12M 1M 0 00:13:4F:10:02:3E http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -73 -96 48M 12M 30 00:60:B3:E9:22:A0 http://172.20.0.3/stalist.cgi# -84 -96 1M 12M 0 Anyone have any idea what it could be? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Grounding
Are you using shielded cable? Also, surge protection on the POE? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:39 AM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.comwrote: We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks. We have replaced a box full of Nano and Bullets. This leads me to believe that our install practices might be improved. How are others grounding these units effectively? Thanks Chris Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Dont feed the troll :) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so territorial. What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13/2010 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they are going to do their own internet, TV and VoIP solution... they have only been talking about it for almost 6+ years and have not installed a single piece of equipment. They have two nice water towers, and a nice tower up on a 500ft tall butte right in the middle of their area... but they won't allow ANYONE on any of it because they are going to do it. This is the EXACT reason the tribes are SO FAR behind, and can't compete in the real world. They won't allow us to bring them technology that would help all their people. Instead they just built a huge new Tribal headquarters and are trying to get money to build a huge gambling casino. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it they won't change.This is a very small reservation, and they only wanted to get broadband to the most densely populated part of it. I may still end up putting in wireless to the remote parts, since lots of non-indians live out there. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2010 12:28 PM *To:* memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com *Cc:* 'A Goldman' agold.wispal...@gmail.com *Subject:* [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that may have worked with Indian tribes in the past or are presently working with them. Part of Alex’s articles will focus on how private ISPs are successfully working with the Indian Nation, however I would also like to hear the downside of anyone’s experiences. NABA has reached out to WISPA to develop alliances and collaboration, both on the lobbying front and the development of public/private partnerships so that many of the grants awarded to the Indian tribes will have a good local ISP partner to assist in the implementation of the projects. If your ISP business is near a reservation, I would like to hear from you in the next week. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on who you were) that same outcome has not happened for other races in similar situations in mankind's past history. Maybe there wasn't enough lawyers back in the ancient days? So, in the modern era, it's no longer only the strong survive but rather, only the best lawyer survives? No matter, it would be interesting to be involved with a tribal roll out of a high end network. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open casinos. Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator. :-) When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-( -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
No flaming arrows now! ducking On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: YOu have it all wrong. Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of dealing with the rest of the world around it, but the invaders are bleeding hearts who give you land and let you try to continue your incompatible culture unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of survival. In which case, the powers that be grant you money to live on while you pretend to pursue the preservation of your dead and unviable culture.It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency, want, dependency and hopelessness. Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over land.The ownership culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant. Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it, rather than adjust. IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal conflict that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight against another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge, technology, communication, law, and wealth. And neither understood it. Had we handed the western half of the country to the natives and just drew a line around them and made it do not cross boundaries, the failures of the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the diseases, and so on.And worse, people with less scruples than the schmucks who wrote treaties with them, would have invaded for the wealth and simply wiped 'em out. Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth that primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix the two with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup. We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of the world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and ownership and written law, etc. Modern indians want the consumer trappings of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that made it possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality seeks to keep it that way. I've ranted long enough off topic... Let's just leave at this : Reservation mentality and attempts to preserve cultures unchanged are exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so horrible, it is simply a crime against humanity. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open casinos. Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator. :-) When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-( -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth
Ya, and only allow dsl cable users to use it :) On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: Host a Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, ect) Bittorrent seed box? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Host a server for speedtest.net Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth Ya we currently have over 200Mbps of available outgoing bandwidth available and we already do hosting and co-location. :( Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...? Maybe help the community with content distribution. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com wrote: Hey there As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are people doing with the excess outbound capacity? Thanks Don WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
I can identify! On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 8/14/2010 02:35 AM, RickG wrote: Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on who you were) that same outcome has not happened for other races in similar situations in mankind's past history. Maybe there wasn't enough lawyers back in the ancient days? So, in the modern era, it's no longer only the strong survive but rather, only the best lawyer survives? I made a one-paragraph quip in response to another, and the thread went off kilter, so I'm avoiding those side issues now like the plague... No matter, it would be interesting to be involved with a tribal roll out of a high end network. Indeed. The first time I used RadioMobile was several years ago, when the local (Indian) ISP from a tribe in the plains region inquired about putting up a wireless network across the reservation. The total population density was about one person per square mile, with a couple of small towns. Most of the reservation's phone service, mainly the biggest town, came from an off-reservation coop and the Indians didn't like them. So we talked about building a WISP network with a CLEC to deliver wireless local loop. The reservation was basically flat with not many trees, ideal wireless country. SkyPilot boxes would have given a 10-mile radius between hops. He would own it; I would be his consultant. But then he stopped returning calls. Another tribe's telco had won 700 MHz licenses in the first (2002) auction, and was doing wireless DOCSIS, and had this guy's reservation in their footprint. So they became the WISP. I assume it's working, since the FCC web site last year showed them inquiring if they would meet the build-out deadline, or lose the license, and they said that they had it up and running on time. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open casinos. Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator. :-) When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-( -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO
I'll tell you what free government money does create - corruption: http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html $24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created. At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million unemployed Americans back to work. -- Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosohowww.wlan1.comwww.linktechs.netwww.wifimidwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO
No more than the original post Jack. The title of my link says Broadband. This IS broadband is it not? good buddy On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: You're off topic good buddy. RickG wrote: I'll tell you what free government money does create - corruption: http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html $24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created. At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million unemployed Americans back to work. -- Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosohowww.wlan1.comwww.linktechs.netwww.wifimidwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Next Wireless 101 Training - San Jose - September 23 http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-wireless-101-training-on-september-23---24.cfm http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd-wireless-101-training-on-september-23---24.cfm Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO
Thank you! On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Let's kill this thread now. On Aug 17, 2010 12:44 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: No more than the original post Jack. The title of my link says Broadband. This IS broadband is it not? good buddy On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: You're off topic good ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Hey Marlon, Thanks for the input. One thing I put wrong here was the link is actually 6 miles. I doubt it's multipath though since both ends are on towers that are on hilltops much higher than the surrounding area with clear LOS. I tried several radios antenna combos though from big to small. It was the big Rocket5 Dish that finally fixed it. Thanks again! -RickG On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: This looks a lot like multipath. What size grid are you using? For only 3 miles a small 15 dB or less panel should be more than enough. Try moving the end up or down, sometimes by only a couple of feet. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
Michael, Thanks for the tip. I saw you mentioned this previously and fixed a few flaky issues by turning off auto. Thanks again! -RickG On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Rick I didn't read the entire thread, but generally when you see a low TX like that on Ubiquiti and the RSSI indicates it should be stronger it's an ACK issue, specifically too short of an ack calculation. Make sure you are using a fixed ACK on those, and that it is set high enough to cover the distance. Regards Michael Baird Nope. Crawling as it has been since Tuesday afternoon. 6.5Mbps tx is slw. Got some sleep so going back now. Any all ideas are welcome! On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: But is it working now ? -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:39:06 -0400 Well, Faisal was kind enough to log into the AP (Rocket5 w/5G-20 sector) while I climbed up to align it. He said chain 0 1 were unbalanced. So, I changed out the radio, antenna, cables. Balance issue fixed but throughput to problem tower still bad. So, I went back to the problem tower and worked on it all night. I climbed so many times I lost count. I'm almost out of ideas. I did some spectrum analysis on a BM5 and a NanoBridge. I have attached an AP screen capture, a map of the tower link and ping scans of the 2 stations (one works well, the other does not) same AP, different locations. BTW: BIG THANKS to Faisal. He worked with me until 2:30am! He would've gone longer but I think he fell asleep while I was driving to the bad tower. I going to get some shut eye myself now. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:48 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one side of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput goes away, badly. Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance Here is a good one! I have a short link of about 3 miles from my main tower to another. On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not see the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The receive rate is only 6.5Mbps. At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input! Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box?
I love UBNT. I've been upgrading backhauls to RocketM's and CPE to BulletM's and/or NanoM's. Customers keep mentioning the network seems faster faster. The word on the street is we're faster than cable dsl! The only issue I've had so far is that the legacy radios dont like UBNT AP's. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:48 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: That UBTik looks pretty cool. Mikrotik rocks for a lot of things, but I don't trust their .N yet. For N I'll stick with Ubnt till I'm overwhelmed with reports of Mikrotik N greatness. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:47:22AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Why not use N radios? If you don't like UBNT Rockets, then look at Mikrotik 411s with Baltic Networks' Ubitik device. You can buy the UBNT dual-polarity dishes, but use Mikrotiks on them. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Single radio or multiple radios in the same box? There was a discussion here not to long ago about interference with using two radios in one rb. As I recall there is interference but someone had a solution. I am sure someone will chime in or you could check the archive. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi all, in our point-to-point links, we have always used one single radio per routerboard and that worked nicely. Obviously using 2 radios in the same RB (e.g. RB433) is not a bad idea, the cost is lower, but I was wondering if this can lead to some interference considering that the radios could be working on adjacent channels. that's why I would appreciate any suggestion about multiple radios on the same routerboard. Thank you in advance -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
They should be hung from the highest..tower! On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7
Disable the ethernet port until its configured, then re-enable it. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I just get sick of configuring units, such as mikrotik, and switching devices and then having to wait until DHCP times out. Pretty annoying when you have 50 Mikrotik boards to configure. Takes longer for me to wait on DHCP than to drop the config file on it. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:39:25 -0600 *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 LOL. if you have a Deliberant radio you might want to look into increasing it to 5 minutes because that's how long they take to boot up. I tried looking into it a while ago, but did not find anything that easily. Had to tell my customers to wait 5 minutes to startup the computer once they booted up the radio. Mark On 08/20/2010 09:42 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 I know a good majority of you deal with the annoyance of waiting on Windows to timeout when there is no DHCP server. Anyone found a fix for this? Registry setting? Very annoying waiting on windows to timeout DHCP when you know it will not get one. Sure a static IP shortens this time, but can be a pain in itself. Looking for a hack to shorten the windows DHCP timeout down to something sane. Ideas? -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More BTOP/BIP
Is this free money or loans? On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 8/20/2010 02:49 PM, you wrote: Where does Bip/Btop post these awards? http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/20100818_Broadband_Awards.pdf The BIP money mostly went to ILECs, it seems. Windstream cleaned up again. I see one WISP there (Wave Wireless). And a bunch of satellite stuff. The BTOP side was a little more varied. On 08/17/2010 06:51 PM, Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: Word on the street is that there are a few more award announcements coming out tomorrow… -Charles -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
Security cameras are one of the greatest inventions in recent times. I havent looked lately but I assume like other electronics, the costs are getting lower lower. Who makes a decent DVR/Cam combo these days? I've got some towers to secure :) On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: That, and there is no proof that they ARE the ones responsible for doing it, as yet reported. Likely, since one or both of them seam loose lipped, they will confess to at least some of the sites in question. They were only caught at one site after all. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: These guys are alleged to have ripped out AC units, and copper wire at many of the sites in question. Isn't alleged a cute word, it means they did it but to keep the attorneys at bay we use it Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts They should be hung from the highest..tower! On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7
I used to use net profile but grew tired of the time it takes for windoze to switch. I can just type it in faster. Another thing to do is just leave the ethernet port unplugged until its configured. Once programmed it wont wait for dhcp. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Look for a program called Net Profile Switch. Helps you go from static to dynamic in seconds. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 Put a static IP on the computer and access the Mikroik devices via MAC On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I just get sick of configuring units, such as mikrotik, and switching devices and then having to wait until DHCP times out. Pretty annoying when you have 50 Mikrotik boards to configure. Takes longer for me to wait on DHCP than to drop the config file on it. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:39:25 -0600 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 LOL. if you have a Deliberant radio you might want to look into increasing it to 5 minutes because that's how long they take to boot up. I tried looking into it a while ago, but did not find anything that easily. Had to tell my customers to wait 5 minutes to startup the computer once they booted up the radio. Mark On 08/20/2010 09:42 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 I know a good majority of you deal with the annoyance of waiting on Windows to timeout when there is no DHCP server. Anyone found a fix for this? Registry setting? Very annoying waiting on windows to timeout DHCP when you know it will not get one. Sure a static IP shortens this time, but can be a pain in itself. Looking for a hack to shorten the windows DHCP timeout down to something sane. Ideas? -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7
I did that once with a bunch or tranzeos. Works good. of course, having a switch up on a tower isnt practical. I'm sure there must be a registry entry for the dhcp timeout on windoze somewhere? On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:37 PM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote: Justin, I would think you would want to have it setup to just switch quickly to a static address via profile or script or something. But perhaps another solution would be to use a switch or hub? If your windows computer is plugged into that (rather than directly into a radio), it will keep ethernet carrier and not want to look for a new address every time you switched radios. So it would just keep using the autoassigned one. (I think) I don't use Mikrotik much, I vaguely remember it uses a program that manages radios without using IP addressing? Perhaps that is why your auto assigned 169. address is of any value. Almost all the radios I've used (Trango, Tranzeo, StarOS) you have to use a specific subnet (not auto assigned) to talk to it. So I started out with a system that let me rapidly switch between a few statics and dhcp. Hope that helps. On Aug 20, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: The whole thing is windows takes so long if there is no DHCP server available. For example, plug into a fresh Mikrotik with no configuration. How long does Windows take to time out if it is set to DHCP? I have timed this at 1.5 minutes. My mac only takes 17 seconds to say “hey there is no DHCP server I will auto assign a 169 IP”. What I am looking for is a way to tell Windows don’t wait 1.5 minutes before you assign a 169 IP. Only wait 20 seconds or whatever. Sure you can assign a static IP and lessen this time, but assigning that IP takes time to do and undo. The best solution I have seen so far is Barnes’s suggest for a program that lets you change networking profiles. I was hoping someone knew of a registry key you could edit. Something like DHCP_TIMEOUT=20s. Instead of DHCP_TIMEOUT=120s. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts
In that case, what do you use for the DVR software? On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: There are good $75 ethernet cameras. Use a linux PC for the DVR/Face Rec/Alerts On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: This is right next to one of our sites. Glad they caught them! Subject: [WISPA] Tower site thefts http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] shielded termination
With outdoor cable :) On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Yeah, I want to watch a video of that. Chris - Original Message - *From:* Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:27 PM *Subject:* [WISPA] shielded termination http://www.vpi.us/installation/assemble-cat5eshld.html -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet to Fiber Adapters
These work well for the price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156005nm_mc=OTC-Frooglecm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-Trendnet-_-33156005 -RickG On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I know there are folks out there using fiber up the tower. What are you using for media converters? Scott Reed wrote: I have a tower that it looks like the only option is to run fiber to the RB433 as there is an FM repeater station just below us. All my RBs are running at 24VDC. What Ethernet to Fiber adapters are folks using that run on 24VDC? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet to Fiber Adapters
I had a feeling you were going to say that. Let us know if you find those. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: This looks good, but uses 7.5 volt power. I need something that uses the 24 volt power that is in the box. RickG wrote: These work well for the price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156005nm_mc=OTC-Frooglecm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-Trendnet-_-33156005 -RickG On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I know there are folks out there using fiber up the tower. What are you using for media converters? Scott Reed wrote: I have a tower that it looks like the only option is to run fiber to the RB433 as there is an FM repeater station just below us. All my RBs are running at 24VDC. What Ethernet to Fiber adapters are folks using that run on 24VDC? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
At my previous WISP in Florida, I had a billing system - what a pain! At my current WISP, I dont - life is great! I only accept credit cards. Best thing I ever did! On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP operators Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be in this business at all. Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is the most important element of a WISP business. Ignore it at your own peril. Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been setting up FreeSide... forever. 1) I'm too poor to hire it out properly. 2) I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to finishing it up. I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system. I'm thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there that a WISP made. It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and looks a hell of a lot better. However, does it do everything that FreeSide does? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
*interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says:* * * *# Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + 208.64.123.177 # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RTechName: Network Operations Center RTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RTechEmail: RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RNOCName: Network Operations Center RNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RNOCEmail: RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html * On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Using my favorite whois service. One that hits blackloutus's Rwhois servers, the Org name I get back from them is Aloli LTD Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] [rwhois.blacklotus.net] %rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois Server V-1.6.5) autharea=208.64.120.0/21 xautharea=208.64.120.0/21 network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:208.64.120.0/21 network:ID:NET-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Network-Name:SSL enabled web sites (Mitigation Critical) network:IP-Network:208.64.123.176/30 network:IP-Network-Block:208.64.123.176 - 208.64.123.179 network:Org-Name:Aloli LTD network:Street-Address:3321 Road Town, Drake Chambers network:City:Tortola network:State:- network:Postal-Code:3321 network:Country-Code: network:Tech-Contact:MAINT-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Created:20100818161918000 network:Updated:20100818161918000 network:Updated-By:supp...@blacklotus.netnetwork%3aupdated-by%3asupp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Name:Network Operations Center network:POC-Email:supp...@blacklotus.netnetwork%3apoc-email%3asupp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Phone:(323) 657-5944 network:Tech-Name:Network Operations Center network:Tech-Email:supp...@blacklotus.netnetwork%3atech-email%3asupp...@blacklotus.net network:Tech-Phone:(323) 657-5944 %ok Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:54 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection I just sent them an email. Gonna beat on them their upstream. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Apparently that ip is being used to attack quite a few people. Paste your firewall rule here, it may be incorrect. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:19 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeing a ton of connections coming from 208.64.123.177 (Blacklotus.net) to an IP address in my range (204.62.63.3) which is not assigned to anything. The strange thing is that when I block it, I lose DNS on my network. My RB-1000's primary DNS is set for public (4.2.2.2) and my upstream's (Time Warner - 76.85.228.101). Any thoughts? [image: Image1.jpg] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
So the bastards get away with it :( If go the mac from the connection. It was to a Juniper Networks unit. Too bad there is not a mac/owner cross reference list. Oh well, back to the gridnstone. - From: ab...@blacklotus.net [mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:13 AM To: Rick Gunderson Subject: Re: [#78277] abuse Our network does not allow outbound UDP from that subnet (208.64.123.0/24). I can assure you the traffic you're seeing is not originating from our AS/network. The traffic is most certainly spoofed and designed to cause your DNS systems to DDoS my network. (See DNS reflection/amplification attack). Basically someone in control of a large botnet is sending DNS queries to various networks with spoofed source address fields to cause response traffic to target our network. I can assure you there is no outbound DNS queries from that address, our network is blocking UDP ingress/egress from that range also. Best regards, On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Sure, A friend of mine wrote it, So YMMV. 2 files, Pretty simple. http://whois.141networks.com/scripts.zip Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:51 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Works nicely. Care to share the script? Ralph Brightlan.net *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection *interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says:* # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + *208.64.123.177* # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RTechName: Network Operations Center RTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RTechEmail: RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RNOCName: Network Operations Center RNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RNOCEmail: RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN # # ARIN WHOIS data
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
Ah, yes, that makes sense. Thanks! On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: The MAC address it would report would be your upstream router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 8/23/2010 1:18 AM, RickG wrote: So the bastards get away with it :( If go the mac from the connection. It was to a Juniper Networks unit. Too bad there is not a mac/owner cross reference list. Oh well, back to the gridnstone. - From: ab...@blacklotus.net [mailto:ab...@blacklotus.net] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:13 AM To: Rick Gunderson Subject: Re: [#78277] abuse Our network does not allow outbound UDP from that subnet (208.64.123.0/24). I can assure you the traffic you're seeing is not originating from our AS/network. The traffic is most certainly spoofed and designed to cause your DNS systems to DDoS my network. (See DNS reflection/amplification attack). Basically someone in control of a large botnet is sending DNS queries to various networks with spoofed source address fields to cause response traffic to target our network. I can assure you there is no outbound DNS queries from that address, our network is blocking UDP ingress/egress from that range also. Best regards, On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Sure, A friend of mine wrote it, So YMMV. 2 files, Pretty simple. http://whois.141networks.com/scripts.zip Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:51 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Works nicely. Care to share the script? Ralph Brightlan.net *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *Sent*: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection *interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says:* # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + *208.64.123.177* # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=false # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Thats nifty but it does require this: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=21zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677f http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=21zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677fWhich is just one more thing to break! On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=25zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677f ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
It appears that requires direct 100 volts AC input? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Oh, so it doesnt have to be direct AC in? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Yes, I've got several of them deployed, very nice. It will run off AC as well, and is outdoor hardened. Only negatives, voltage isn't changeable per port via the web interface, manual toggle only, and they need a version with more ports. Regards Michael Baird Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Get your local congressman to put a little pressure on the FCC. It worked for me a few years back. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150’) with power that’s able to adjust down to where it doesn’t burn up radios. Has to mount outside, and no, there’s no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation. Bandwidth is not that big of a deal – 3-6meg will be more than enough. Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation
Ya, but I like the extra bells whistles on the NS2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: 150'? Would't the Loco be better? It's a little less sensitive too on RX which might help prevent picking up interference, reflections etc. Greg On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:08 PM, RickG wrote: You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150’) with power that’s able to adjust down to where it doesn’t burn up radios. Has to mount outside, and no, there’s no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this situation. Bandwidth is not that big of a deal – 3-6meg will be more than enough. Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
And dont forget Lantastic! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: arcnet, dude... - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: well, just using the usual things for non usual situations. I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables). In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job. snip to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u (thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T connectors were used on each thin-net card. Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-) Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirMax Sectors
They're fantastic except I'm getting some radio lock ups. I'm going to add STP cable with grounding very soon to see if that helps. Strange, my RocketM5 dishes dont mind the UTP at all. BTW: I'd install the radio on the mast if possible. Even though the radio will slide in, they stick in place too well and take 3 hands to get them out. Oh, and dont forget the 4 degree electronic downtilt. They look a bit goofy aiming up but in my case, they work better tilted up. -RickG On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Any feedback on these at 5 Ghz would be appreciated WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar power setup
harborfreight.com On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I am looking for a shopping list to build for the following setup: I need to create a solar power setup for a remote location The location will be running two Ubiqutiy 5ghz radios - not much. I would like to have enough battery power to last say 4 days w/ the system not having any sun - but I could live with 48 hours ... Does anyone have a good source for inexpensive (but good) solar panels? and perhaps a good shopping list for this project. my first time getting into the solar stuff... I moved about 8 miles out of town and need to setup a point to point w/ a hop in between to the house _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps: Test Results RX: 33.08 Mbps TX: 33.77 Mbps Total: 66.85 Mbps On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols
One of the best network engineers I've ever met, who was a owner/operator of a fairly large, local ISP and currently owns/operates a fairly large datacenter, helped me with some initial issues I had in our expanding network. 3 years ago, he suggested I switch from zero routing protocol to RIP. I feel it was one of the best things I ever did. Very solid, zero issues. I too have considered a newer protocol but have found no compelling reason to do so. Maybe when we grow up :) -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we had to move from one tower to another on the same mountaintop. So we bought all new equipment and finished its installation yesterday. 9 APs and 2 backhauls. Using Mikrotik ethernet routers... Now, I'm now sure of the specifics of the problem, and I'm not really interested in asking you all to troubleshoot the problem that we had yesterday. My question is this... Is RIP solid? It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything. But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it. It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't imagine so many problems when things are properly configured. I know there are better protocols to use on wireless networks these days, and that there are protocols to use that allow failover to redundant backhauls, etc. That is not my question. When properly configured...Is RIP solid? We have about 900 customers and about 20 tower sites. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
I've got an Acer mini for the field. Best tool I ever got. 6 cell, battery literally last me all day if you use proper energy saving settings. It weighs hardly anything and I stick it in a backpack and hike it up a tower all the time. The only thing I wish it had was an anti-glare screen. Those new glossy screens suck on sunny days. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?
It's all depends on what your needs are. Sure, compared to a higher grade CPU, the Atom is slower but it does job. You get used to the keyboard. I agree the screen can be annoying at times but weight overrides that for me. I'd never recommend it as a primary computer, just a field unit. -RickG On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: have you used any of those minis? I would suggest borrowing one for a week first. I get more use out of my Droid then the netbook. There are Android tables that would do better for a pure install type device, namely with the touch screen vs kb and can be cheaper then a net/mini. Net/Minis really are extremely low end hardware for the price. Most people I know can not stand the small screen (constantly scrolling) and small keyboard. The performance of the Atom is abysmal at best, even for its clock speed. The missing out-of-order window really effects perforce if a modern OS. For the price of the netbook/minis I just get a $350~400 wal-Mart de jure from HP or Acer. I run Gentoo Linux with VirtualBox from Sun with the same WinXP I've had for years (I have added win7 to that since the beta days). What is great about using a vbox vm is I have a full backup of the OS and can fire it up on any hardware I want with out it knowing there was a change. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote: Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well in the sun is a plus), Windows 7, 3-6 hour battery is fine, and 80GB or so of HDD is plenty. Right now we use Dell Latitude D-630s, but they're heavier and larger than we really need. We're thinking about a Dell 2100 or 2110 right now (which I need to verify has GigE). If you have a certain portable you like to use, I would be interested in hearing your recommendations. Thank you in advance! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti
I have nothing bad to say about Mikrotik as my RB1000 firewall runs without complaint. I also have a tower in the forest running an RB433AH with an XR9 radio that I never hear from. LOL, that reminds me of an old saying, only I'll amend it some: If a radio in the forest fails, does anyone hear it? For backhaul links, my RocketM5's in PTP mode (no ack) and Airmax kick butt! Best thing I ever did to my network! For AP's, just keep in mind that the M radios dont like legacy CPE. So, I continue to upgrade CPE first then the tower AP's, in that order. :) On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now instead of Mikrotik. I would like to know how they compare: 1. As a point to point link. 2. As an access point. Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe. I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO. I know Rocket will be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the amount of bandwidth and packets they can process. I am leaning towards MT on the links and Rocket for AP. I am concerned about the plastic cases. I really like having the boards in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well. I know I have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded. With MT I can put ethernet surge protection in the enclosure. What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and reliability of Rockets? Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks and have a great Labor Day. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
Funny you mention that. I had the same thing. You'd think locking down the port would be better not worse! On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.comwrote: We saw similar problems with the ports locked at 100/FDX - Set everything to Auto and speeds were there. I posted that on the UBNT Forum, but never got an answer -Gary- - Original Message - *From:* Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org ; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:44 PM *Subject:* [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I changed out a StarOS backhaul with a pair of PowerBridge 5M radios, 4 mile link. I Have an odd issue. The link is perfect 130MB 99% Airmax. UBNT Speed test from radio to radio is 84Mb. Now the interesting issue, both radios are plugged in to MT 493AH 4.11 OS. Running MT Bandwidth test from MT to MT TCP speeds are horrible. 14 Mb Dn and 6 Mb Upload. We tried all kinds of tests finally realized (after the climber was on the ground and in my office) that if I do a speed test from the PowerBridge station to a Rocket plugged into the same Mikrotik that I get 14 Mb x 6 Mb through a 100% wired connection (UBNT to Port-2 MT, Port-6 to UBNT Rocket) We had tried different ports to no avail and I test from MT AP thru MT 493AH to 2nd MT AP and I got 50 Mb x 50Mb. Then I realized that 2 hops across the wireless link I had a NanoBridge. A test to that across the wireless side of the link gave me a 30 Mb x 35Mb. So it come down to a single PowerBridge radio that either has a bad ethernet port or a bad POE/cable between the UBNT and MT, or some kind of incompatibility between the MT and PowerBridge. All ports are set to 100Mb FDX not Auto negotiate. This MT 493AH is relatively new with Gig option. When running speed test there are no ethernet errors or packet errors on the MT. What else can I check from the ground. Unit is 250 ft up and requires a climber I don’t have daily access to. Will the PowerBridge 5M work with 12-15 Volt. I know it wants 24VDC I don’t currently have that on this tower but had no issue with others on different towers at 12 V Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Aren't there some that have a floating leg. Chris - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work with this particular roofing material. The ridges in the metal roof are up to 3 tall. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we manage - for smaller antennas. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop. It's the style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation and the roofing material between. What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof? Two legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with the 3rd leg is what puzzles me. I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS mount. I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used nuts and lock washers on the back side. I may have left the remaining holes unsecured. I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
$17.95 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: That's it. Without logging in, what kind of pricing? Chris - Original Message - *From:* RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.comwrote: Aren't there some that have a floating leg. Chris - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work with this particular roofing material. The ridges in the metal roof are up to 3 tall. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we manage - for smaller antennas. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop. It's the style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation and the roofing material between. What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof? Two legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with the 3rd leg is what puzzles me. I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS mount. I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used nuts and lock washers on the back side. I may have left the remaining holes unsecured. I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3 faces. I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that ticked me off! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe. Would have been better if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being in the WISP industry. :-) -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. *Steve Barnes *General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference. I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board. We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar. Putting the switch in did not help. Cable run is only about 20 feet. It is being powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24. Other devices on the tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik. Some theories at the moment: 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet chipset to cause issues. 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least) 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port. 4.Mikrotik board has an issue. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com http://ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400 *To: *fai...@snappydsl.net http://fai...@snappydsl.net , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday) It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well. The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood. I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have switched cables, different manufacturer as well. Same issue. When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine. When I plug a laptop in on each side, I get the same results. No bandwidth shaping. Have tried multiple different devices on each side, the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net http://fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Is it possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the MK493ah that is root cause of this issue. Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or the other ? Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ? do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side to see if that makes a difference ? (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 MK750g.. no issues... Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results.. Got to narrow down further... Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ), showing similar behavior between the Rocket Mk Router ? Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Set all to Auto Neg and no change Here is SSH report XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85 UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:200 RX
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
Heh, good one! Actually, they tried to get me to do it again and I immeadiatley turned them down. In fact, at that point I decided to only climb for myself. I like to climb but prefer it to be in a very safe environment. It seems that many dont care about that unless its their butt hanging in the wind. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Hehe... So at what point did you figure out that they were trying to keep folks like you away from their towers ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote: I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3 faces. I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that ticked me off! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe. Would have been better if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being in the WISP industry. :-) -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com http://ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com http://st...@pcswin.com wrote: Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. *Steve Barnes *General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference. I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board. We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar. Putting the switch in did not help. Cable run is only about 20 feet. It is being powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24. Other devices on the tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik. Some theories at the moment: 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet chipset to cause issues. 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least) 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port. 4.Mikrotik board has an issue. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com http://ch...@shelbybb.com http://ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400 *To: *fai...@snappydsl.net http://fai...@snappydsl.net http://fai...@snappydsl.net , WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday) It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well. The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood. I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have switched cables, different manufacturer as well. Same issue. When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine. When I plug a laptop in on each side, I get the same results. No bandwidth shaping. Have tried multiple different devices on each side, the only thing
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How much can you build the Atom unit for? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower. Travis Microserv On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers... Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to consider Memory etc etc.). http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle traffic better. Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps of traffic. I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to compare... Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison of what the PowerRouters can handle... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote: Even RB1100 ? That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports... F. On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of traffic... 100meg no problem. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling... There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do what you are looking for. Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used market place. In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on the secondary markets about $8 to $10k You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... Everything else is big and consumes power. Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers located at DataCenters or NOC... If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am sharing above with you is what we have found so far. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 switches... You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or greater you aren't going to find that. The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You should be able to get it for $30-50K. Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been known to do. Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route reflector to the customer and vice versa. Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border router/route reflector. Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like the most straightforward solution to me. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.netmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections to customers from this ring of backhauls. - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?
That might be my next step. Interesting though - a couple years ago, I originally had a high end PC (for it's time - Athon 64 Dual-core X2 4200+ with 4GB of memory) running RouterOS. Swapped it out for a RB450G and in my opinion, the little 450G kicked the PC's butt. So now I'm skeptical. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: We've built Supermicro 1U Atom boxes for under $600 to use as DNS servers. That was with 2x 2.5 inch hard drives. You'd probably run RouterOS off of a USB stick instead. That would save you around $120. Not much of a point to the RB1000 when a 1U Atom box is cheaper and can run rings around it in throughput. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How much can you build the Atom unit for? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower. Travis Microserv On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers... Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to consider Memory etc etc.). http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle traffic better. Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps of traffic. I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to compare... Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison of what the PowerRouters can handle... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote: Even RB1100 ? That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports... F. On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of traffic... 100meg no problem. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling... There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do what you are looking for. Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used market place. In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on the secondary markets about $8 to $10k You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... Everything else is big and consumes power. Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers located at DataCenters or NOC... If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am sharing above with you is what we have found so far. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 switches... You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or greater you aren't going to find that. The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You should be able to get it for $30-50K. Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been known to do. Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route reflector to the customer and vice versa. Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border router/route reflector. Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like the most straightforward solution to me. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkinsm...@smarterbroadband.netmailto: m
Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?
Pam? On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: Does anyone make a radome for the NB? I am thinking I have a unit or two that could use one due to back tilt or facing the predominate winter storm path. While I bet nothing would build up for long, it might be long enough to be a issue. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Sorry, wrong issue... Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Eje and Mike Ford both posted the differences between the two units and where to use them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/9/2010 9:05 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I did not see a resolution, did I miss it? Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Just had this discussion on the UBNT list a day or two ago, complete with UBNT input. http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/ubnt_users/2010-September/thread.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 10:52 PM, Francois Menard wrote: I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was used ? Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ? I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and paying the additional 200+$ per end. Opinion ? F. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
Well heck, if you want the ultimate in strength, use solid steel round bar then. I've got some tower sections like that but man are they heavy! Bars are for transfer of materials too - when they're serving that is! Saved that one for you Bob =P On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Pipe is for the transfer of material, Tube is for structure. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Marlon K. Schafer *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe Just remember that pipe sizes are done with inside dimensions not outside. marlon - Original Message - *From:* Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe You could go 2” with some pipe to pipe mounts. This would protect you from lightning a little better and give you flexibility. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:19:33 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Grain leg pipe While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar attachment method. I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with hardware. What is a good universal pipe to have installed? I don't remember dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site and the pipe was too big. Other times I've found the pipe too small for the antenna's mount. What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] direct bury pole?
What about a flag pole? http://www.flagpolewarehouse.com/flagpoles/commercial/index.shtml On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com wrote: Other than a wooden utility pole, does anyone have a source for a direct bury steel pole, such as those you would see used for street lights, etc? I have a need for a client to be up ~30’ for a single 1’ dish. That will be the only thing ever on the pole, so it won’t be loaded. It can’t be guyed, and they would prefer not Rohn or other lattice structure for aesthetics. We have been asked to use something like a streetlight pole. We have never used such a pole. Has anyone used one and do you have a source for the pole? Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 -- *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
Here is my interface stats: XM.v5.2# ifconfig ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1704984 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2180287 errors:0 dropped:813 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:200 RX bytes:430972687 (411.0 MiB) TX bytes:2053965333 (1.9 GiB) br0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 inet addr:10.10.100.29 Bcast:10.10.100.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:187903 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5865 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:18303057 (17.4 MiB) TX bytes:566985 (553.6 KiB) eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:19:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2171167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1704486 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 RX bytes:2053358505 (1.9 GiB) TX bytes:431157904 (411.1 MiB) eth1_real Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 02:15:6D:19:1B:97 UP BROADCAST PROMISC MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:89 (89.0 B) TX bytes:89 (89.0 B) wifi0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:11 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:511 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:48 Memory:b000-b001 XM.v5.2# On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference. I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board. We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar. Putting the switch in did not help. Cable run is only about 20 feet. It is being powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24. Other devices on the tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik. Some theories at the moment: 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet chipset to cause issues. 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least) 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port. 4.Mikrotik board has an issue. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400 *To: *fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday) It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well. The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood. I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have switched cables, different manufacturer as well. Same issue. When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine. When I plug a laptop in on each side, I get the same results. No bandwidth shaping. Have tried multiple different devices on each side, the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Is it possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the MK493ah that is root cause of this issue. Also, do
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
TW Cable Business Class On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 -- *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness
I started turning on WDS mode on some of my UBNT AP's but started getting weird issues such as dropping stations. These are in bridge mode. Does the mode matter? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Run the AP and SM in WDS mode. the radios do some funny things with ARP with it off. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness I posted this to the UBNT list and haven't gotten a hit yet. I have an NS2L serving as an AP plugged into a MT 750. It's acting strangely (wireless clients stay connected but periodically lose connectivity so I started looking around. In the ARP table I found this: IP Address MAC address Interface 192.168.7.200:25:00:49:E5:6B BRIDGE 24.56.178.140 00:00:00:00:00:00 BRIDGE The network is 192.168.7.0/24. The MT doesn't show the 24.56.178.140 address, nor does any of the other equipment on the network. A reboot doesn't clear the 24.56.178.140 address from the arp table. The MT's connections list doesn't show 24.56.178.140. Anyone have any ideas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift
I've got a customer who bought a very nice lift truck after he got a contract to work in Louisiana after Katrina. I've used a few times and it works well. It only has 65k miles. He no longer needs it and said he'd let me have it for $20k. I dont recall what year it is but its fairly new in good shape. At any rate, I dont get anything for selling it but thought I'd pass this along. Offlist if your interested and I'll gather more info if your serious. -RickG On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Has anyone used or owned a Bil-Jax Towable Boom Lift? Been looking…. Can’t afford a decent boom truck so the economics work for one of these boom lift trailers. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 [image: Logo5] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness
Yes. It could coincindence but I'll give it another whirl. What about Spanning Tree? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: WDS just simply allows transparent bridging. We run our in AP ADS and Station WDS and it works fine - better actually. Are you saying that after you changed to WDS you started dropping stations? I would suspect it’s coincidence but I could be wrong. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness I started turning on WDS mode on some of my UBNT AP's but started getting weird issues such as dropping stations. These are in bridge mode. Does the mode matter? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Run the AP and SM in WDS mode. the radios do some funny things with ARP with it off. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness I posted this to the UBNT list and haven't gotten a hit yet. I have an NS2L serving as an AP plugged into a MT 750. It's acting strangely (wireless clients stay connected but periodically lose connectivity so I started looking around. In the ARP table I found this: IP Address MAC address Interface 192.168.7.200:25:00:49:E5:6B BRIDGE 24.56.178.140 00:00:00:00:00:00 BRIDGE The network is 192.168.7.0/24. The MT doesn't show the 24.56.178.140 address, nor does any of the other equipment on the network. A reboot doesn't clear the 24.56.178.140 address from the arp table. The MT's connections list doesn't show 24.56.178.140. Anyone have any ideas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
Chuck, I dont have any Rockets directly plugged into a Mikrotik box. I am considering a bench test though. Will advise if I do. I routinely lock down the port to 100Mbps. -RickG On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Rick: Since I know you have MikroTik in your network, do you have any that have a Rocket plugged into them? If you do, open up Winbox, go to tools, Ping. Change the timeout to 100, and ping your rocket. Do you have any lost packets? We're seeing 2-7% packet loss. Are you using 100mbit? Through the air, everything is fine. I'm getting good speeds, but when it goes through the Rocket, and onto the AP, I'm seeing lots of packet loss. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:22 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my interface stats: XM.v5.2# ifconfig ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1704984 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2180287 errors:0 dropped:813 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:200 RX bytes:430972687 (411.0 MiB) TX bytes:2053965333 (1.9 GiB) br0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 inet addr:10.10.100.29 Bcast:10.10.100.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:187903 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:5865 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:18303057 (17.4 MiB) TX bytes:566985 (553.6 KiB) eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:19:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2171167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1704486 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 RX bytes:2053358505 (1.9 GiB) TX bytes:431157904 (411.1 MiB) eth1_real Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 02:15:6D:19:1B:97 UP BROADCAST PROMISC MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:89 (89.0 B) TX bytes:89 (89.0 B) wifi0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:6D:18:1B:97 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:11 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:511 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:48 Memory:b000-b001 XM.v5.2# On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference. I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board. We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar. Putting the switch in did not help. Cable run is only about 20 feet. It is being powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24. Other devices on the tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik. Some theories at the moment: 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet chipset to cause issues. 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least) 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port. 4.Mikrotik board has an issue. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400 *To: *fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness
I think spanning tree that was the strangness, not the wds. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I have not enabled it so I don’t know the impact. Seems like it can’t hurt but maybe the radios think there is a loop when there isn't and is shutting down? Just guessing at this point. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2010 2:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness Yes. It could coincindence but I'll give it another whirl. What about Spanning Tree? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS just simply allows transparent bridging. We run our in AP ADS and Station WDS and it works fine - better actually. Are you saying that after you changed to WDS you started dropping stations? I would suspect it’s coincidence but I could be wrong. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness I started turning on WDS mode on some of my UBNT AP's but started getting weird issues such as dropping stations. These are in bridge mode. Does the mode matter? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Run the AP and SM in WDS mode. the radios do some funny things with ARP with it off. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NS2Loco ARP table strangeness I posted this to the UBNT list and haven't gotten a hit yet. I have an NS2L serving as an AP plugged into a MT 750. It's acting strangely (wireless clients stay connected but periodically lose connectivity so I started looking around. In the ARP table I found this: IP Address MAC address Interface 192.168.7.200:25:00:49:E5:6B BRIDGE 24.56.178.140 00:00:00:00:00:00 BRIDGE The network is 192.168.7.0/24. The MT doesn't show the 24.56.178.140 address, nor does any of the other equipment on the network. A reboot doesn't clear the 24.56.178.140 address from the arp table. The MT's connections list doesn't show 24.56.178.140. Anyone have any ideas? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
Sure, steel tube versus solid cotton :) On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Um But I’ve seen tube be stronger than solid. Physics? Or maybe.. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2010 2:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe Well heck, if you want the ultimate in strength, use solid steel round bar then. I've got some tower sections like that but man are they heavy! Bars are for transfer of materials too - when they're serving that is! Saved that one for you Bob =P On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Pipe is for the transfer of material, Tube is for structure. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Marlon K. Schafer *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe Just remember that pipe sizes are done with inside dimensions not outside. marlon - Original Message - *From:* Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe You could go 2” with some pipe to pipe mounts. This would protect you from lightning a little better and give you flexibility. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:19:33 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Grain leg pipe While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar attachment method. I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with hardware. What is a good universal pipe to have installed? I don't remember dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site and the pipe was too big. Other times I've found the pipe too small for the antenna's mount. What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Ya, I did that once. Then the server broke and I ran outta time. So back to the TW server. That said, I actually get a lot of customer confidence using TW fiber. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Looks pretty good when it has your logo above the speed test, wouldn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:42 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Is that a per customer setting or can I do it for all my customers? (RB1000) On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bob, Are you doing the bursting on the CPE? On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: UBNT. 99.9%!!! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David Williamson *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Motorola Canopy *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 10:39 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test what type of wireless gear are you using? --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com * wrote: From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 8:53 PM How do you turn on bursting because I get these same types of users complaining because of a stupid speed test result. David *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Hey now - just cause it's Oh Hi Oh :) On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: YIKES! I hate Ironton. Personal thing, maybe. OKAY! NOT MAYBE!!! HA! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:28 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Ironton is main node for the TW eastern KY fiber ring that we are on. I usually get full speed and less than 20ms ping times. I tried the others, they suck from here. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Ironton! For me Ironton SUCKS! Ping 108ms!!! Why in the hell are they defaulting g you to arm pit Ironton? Been there…….. that place sucks! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Got you suit on? You can afford a good one at the cost of the CPE :) On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: F L A M E ! ! ! ! ! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Let's not start this flame war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We went to all low $$$ Ubiquiti equipment. $89 bucks for an AP and zero day ROI is super cool! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David Williamson *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test What are you using to setup bursting on your network? We are running Canopy APs and SMs… David *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert West *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:06 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Bursting is cool cause on my system, the web page will **SNAP** right up and they get this “OMFG” face when they see it. But the hit on the network is ZERO! Tip- CHARGE FOR BURSTING! I F’ked that up. Gave it away, *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David Williamson *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:53 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test How do you turn on bursting because I get these same types of users complaining because of a stupid speed test result. David *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.comwrote: We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogeljvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
From what I can tell, any legacy radio, including UBNT's own do not get along with M AP's. I've had issues and have been switching out M AP's for standard UBNT units on my repeaters to resolve the problem. Once I have client base switched out to M units, I'll switch back to M AP's. MM's - do you like plain or peanut? :) On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: In my experience Tranzeo and UBNT don't play nice together. If you don't mind switching out your tranzeo CPE's with UBNT gear you'll be fine. Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Whats the .001 unit? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Works fine. I’m now 99.999% UBNT! *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 1:32 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Taking the plunge All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I currently let the SM do both. I swap back forth on what to let the SM do and what to have the firewall do. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: All you need to do is cap the max data rate. Let the sm handle bursting. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I didnt catch that part from Bob but thats what I'm thinking. So, I'll add bursting to my RB1000. But not sure what config allows bursting for all customers. BTW: I did add bursting (in bytes transferred) to the complaining customers UBNT and he says it is fixed! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: You need a router or bandwidth shaper that limits the burst rate independently of the SM. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Sep 13, 2010, at 1:25 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comrobert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to http://speedtest.net/ http://speedtest.netspeedtest.net and http://dslreports.com/ http://dslreports.comdslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] speed test
I get it now. Missing a lot of sleep lately. So, how many bytes do you allow the bursting for? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Advanced tab. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 4:25 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test Bob, How do you do burst at 2x the contracted speed on UBNT? AFAIK, the burst is in bytes transfered, not bits per second. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I do bursting too. 2x the contracted speed. Makes a big WOW response with web pages and had made ZERO impact on my network! Makes me rethink NOT charging a fee for bursting! Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] speed test turn on bursting?works awesome,they don't wanna tell you the results because they think they are getting way more than they should. --- On *Sun, 9/12/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com* wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: [WISPA] speed test To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 7:29 PM OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Ditto. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I just wish that UBNT would have a burst TIME limit like Mikrotik does. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of j284...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Dave,I'm fairly sure moto let's you set the burst on the sm,same place you set the ul/dl speeds. Sent from my BlackBerryR -Original Message- From: David Williamson dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 23:35:23 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Your welcome! I put them up earlier this year. The first station was a RocketM5 Dish, 13 miles out. Truly set it and forget it! It worked so well that it threw me for a loop when I had issues with the 2.4 sectors. At any rate, I've been adding UBNT M5 dishes and other M5 units as backhauls to the rest of my towers non-stop. Cant wait til winter break! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I know a guy in Florida who put up a PTP link for every customer! Of course, that was from the rooftop of a high rise. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
Yes, angle iron. No, not HD zips, Skywalker. I did another tower with full square tubing and really liked it but cant find the pics ;(. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Nice. Is that angle iron for the standoff? Hopefully NOT Home Depot wire ties though. I HATE their “military rated” wire ties. What a joke, as I’ve said before and not so nicely. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 11:38 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted! Most of my towers are water tanks. I do have a couple of tri-legs to contend with. I prefer stand offs. Sorry, only pic I've got. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I know you got ‘em. I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980’s tower. 300 footer. I’m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. **sigh** Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
Depends on how high and how long the standoff is. Sometimes bucket, sometimes you can just reach it. A lot of times, only the antenna is on the end of the standoff so you dont need to get to it all that often, if ever. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I have no idea how people use standoffs. How do you access the gear on the standoff? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 9:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I know you got ‘em. I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980’s tower. 300 footer. I’m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. **sigh** Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I know, dont remind me, let me dream :) I didnt say the work is less difficult, I'm just saying they are less frequent. I've been going like a crazy person since early spring and ready for some hibernation. All the work is paying off though. I'm getting customer praises on speed and less trouble calls. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Winter break? That’s when I spend all night up on a tower in the carharts, ski mask and goggles……… No break! This year I may add a flask of rum to the tool bucket. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:00 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Your welcome! I put them up earlier this year. The first station was a RocketM5 Dish, 13 miles out. Truly set it and forget it! It worked so well that it threw me for a loop when I had issues with the 2.4 sectors. At any rate, I've been adding UBNT M5 dishes and other M5 units as backhauls to the rest of my towers non-stop. Cant wait til winter break! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I do the same. BT really mucks up a network. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I’ve seen Bittorent use UDP and have as many as 50 UDP sessions per client running it. At that point I rate limit them to 256k and wait for the phone call. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bret Clark *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:56 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge First at the interface level, you need to enable WMM. Then I set up the following rules which ensures that DSCP sets layer 2 priority WMM needs: /ip firewall mangle add action=set-priority chain=prerouting comment=VoIP WMM disabled=no new-priority=from-dscp passthrough=yes protocol=\ udp Most VoIP services tend to use DSCP of 46. Then I set a somewhat broadbase firewall/queue rule which basically says UDP packets should get preference since 99.9% of VoIP is UDP and I make it the first queue rule before all others. /ip firewall mangle add action=mark-packet chain=forward comment=VoIP disabled=no in-interface=ether1 new-packet-mark=VoIP \ passthrough=no protocol=udp /queue simple add burst-limit=0/0 burst-threshold=0/0 burst-time=0s/0s comment= direction=both disabled=no dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 interface=allhttp://0.0.0.0/0interface=all\ limit-at=0/0 max-limit=0/0 name=VoIP Traffic packet-marks=VoIP parent=none priority=1 queue=synchronous-default/synchronous-default \ total-queue=default-small These rules can be massaged quite a bit to be more specific since a lot of other apps use UDP too. Some things we'll do to make the rule more specific is find out the users VoIP provider and then setup the queue based on the VoIP's IP block. On 09/14/2010 07:36 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: What specific rules did you add for your voip. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: We enabled it both in the CPE and AP. We also added queue rules in both the CPE and AP to ensure that VoIP traffic got priority not just at layer 2, but layer 3. On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, RickG wrote: Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogeljvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I plan on doing a few PTP's with the dishes for those. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You be right! I have one hub with multiple backhauls on it. My problem was always the sectors being 15 to 19dbi gain but the grids being a good 29. My furthest out is 20 miles, not good for a 15dbi sector, but most other AP's can see the hub's sectors at at least a -74. In fact, I've USED them in a pinch to work around outages, though not within FCC guide lines.. (So what) but I never thought about just using it as part of the big vision. Hm Me- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge At 9/13/2010 10:43 PM, Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Why not? I'm working on a design now that has 15-20 access points fed from a sector antenna on a tower. (I couldn't put that many separate links up if I tried, not between 5.725 and 5.85.) They'll need TDMA (Airmax or an Nstreme) to keep things sorted out, of course. There's a string of nodes that can barely see each other for the trees, but can all see one tower over water... since water paths tend to be flakey, I'm thinking of putting two antennas on the tower, one above the other, hoping that the vertical spacing may have the two sectors (overlapping coverage, different 5.8 channels) flake out at different times. The real question is whether or not I can make a case that the Sky Pilot Rule applies, and thus the whole sector counts as PtP for regulatory power limit purposes. With TDMA it's only transmitting to one at a time, after all... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
Great idea if the standoff it bolted to the tower. Tip: Dont weld it to the tower! On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: What I do most times is make a mark on the standoff and the tower. This is my reference marks. Then you can swing the arm in closer to the tower and work on it. Then just swing it back out and align your marks. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:13:13 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted! Depends on how high and how long the standoff is. Sometimes bucket, sometimes you can just reach it. A lot of times, only the antenna is on the end of the standoff so you dont need to get to it all that often, if ever. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I have no idea how people use standoffs. How do you access the gear on the standoff? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 9:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I know you got ‘em. I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980’s tower. 300 footer. I’m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. **sigh** Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
Tom, I've had lots of issues running UBNT M radios as an AP talking to legacy radios (even UBNT). I have not tried a Rocket for this purpose though. Do you have legacy radios off the Rocket AP's that you mention. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: I'd argue you'd be better off trying to add a second AP to the sector, and be satisfied with fewer customers per sector. That would also allow you to ahve a smoother migration, allowing both APs to have some of the customers during the migration. If you are running 10Mhz, and 120 sector, there is a pretty could chance you should be able to come up with the extra channels to run two APs simultaneously on the sector. On a side note, we do run Ubiquiti AirMax successfully using just a single Antenna pol, in some cases. We wanted the N models so we could run spectrum scans and TDMA. We just capped the Chain1 port, and connected only the chain0 port to an antenna, and selected appropriate max modualtion. Obviously, more capacity would be avilable if both chains were used to increase capacity, but that is not a requirement to use the Ubiquiti. As well, better NLOS would be available if both pols were used for same data. I guess my point is, single pol CPEs can still be used without replacement, just the additional capacity cant be realized nor TDMA used if both CPEs are not all Ubqt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge I guess I didn't make myself clear. They are not concerned about slow speeds of downloads more of a matter that there is 60 clients hitting an AP with no TDMA or any kind of timing and they start griping about their VOIP. I was always told that on a 20 mhz 802.11b/g network that you were best to stay under 40 clients. On a 10 Mhz 802.11g not to go much over 60 Clients. I see that the Airmax with the TDMA will handle a higher density of clients per AP. Is my thinking wrong on these numbers? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Or have you tried different channels? Is it a newer radio in the MT so you can do a spectrum analysis? I would expect up to 15 megs aggregate out of a 10Mhz 802.11a AP and if you are at 1/3 of that then bandwidth isn't an issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS? On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95th percentile on this one AP. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now? On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted!
There are some of those towers spread around the country. Pretty amazing self supporting structures. You could park several semi trucks under it. I met the original owner of the one in WPB and he said it was $1.2 Million! He claimed it would take a cat5 hurricane. Pylon footings were 110' down. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Hey, that looks like our Hughes Memorial Tower here in DC: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8hq=hnear=Washington,+District+of+Columbiall=38.963889,-77.027759spn=0,0.006539t=hz=18layer=ccbll=38.963786,-77.027765panoid=4Ar2-y_7Pek7ryLgjPdMUAcbp=12,142.6,,0,-30.81 761 feet. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/14/2010 12:24 PM, RickG wrote: I know what you mean! In West Palm, we were on a 550' monster off I-95. You could see it for miles around. The equipment 330' up on a standoff that was 10' from the tower, 330' up. I admit, it took me two separate tries to get the guts to walk out on it. Pics attached. We were plagued by lightning hits that picked on the switch in the enclosure at the top. I moved the enclosure off the standoff and left the radios on the mast on the standoff which helped a lot. Eventually, I ran fiber up and that fixed the issue altogether. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: If it is a2-3 foot standoff it gets tricky. I replaced a 2 foot dish on a 3 foot standoff last year. Clipped the lobster tails to the tower and had to use the positioning hooks to balance myself on the end of the standoff. One of those places where once you get it positioned its fairly comfortable. Takes a little getting used not having any tower under you though. Had to go out on this standoff once: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30529837l=89297015d2id=1289017769 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30529837l=89297015d2id=1289017769 -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support *From: *Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net http://wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:59:24 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting pics wanted! I have no idea how people use standoffs. How do you access the gear on the standoff? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/13/2010 9:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I know you got ‘em. I’m looking for some nice pics of the various ways of mounting sector antennas. I have a tower with 5 to 10 and even 20” structural tube to mount to, three sided classic 1980’s tower. 300 footer. I’m the king at ripping off designs and welding up my own (sorry, my bad) and am looking for some good ideas for this thing. I’d say pretty please but I’m not that pretty and I never please. Well, so says the wife.. **sigh** Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@ wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
[WISPA] Wireless Router Types
I havent done it in quite sometime, so today I fired up my laptop with netstumbler while driving around. I picked up a bunch of AP's with numbers such as 0171 6043, 1163, 0320, etc. Does anyone know what they are? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
While I am currently using this setup, wouldnt it be beneficial to eventually move to the backhauls PTP? On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Been doing that for YEARS! My backhauls are all PtMP. Blair Robert West wrote: Yo, dude! Sectors acting as backhaul? Now I LIKE that idea! I shall steal it from you and make it my own. Nuff said. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 10:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge Steve, After several firmware updates and configurations, I finally have the warm fuzzies about my RocketM5 sectors. These 4 sectors are on my main tower and are backhauls for my whole network! I have not had time to work with my 2.4 sectors since the last go around was a flop. After upgrading all clients on one AP over to M radios, I turned on Airmax and things feel much better. YMMV. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Router Types
Thats all. ATT is in our area and usually their routers say 2wire. Maybe they changed now? On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: Was that all that was in the essid? Qwest, 2wire, and a few others now do that. They place the default essid and key on the bottom and gamble that no two with the same las 4 digits land near each other. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I havent done it in quite sometime, so today I fired up my laptop with netstumbler while driving around. I picked up a bunch of AP's with numbers such as 0171 6043, 1163, 0320, etc. Does anyone know what they are? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
http://www.theonlineengineer.org/TheOLEBLOG/ On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I * -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I've been fighting trees since I got into the wireless business back in '97. IMHO, only lower frequencies will reliably serve a customer. I currently have a few customers with some trees and they complain it cuts out. It boils down to what quality of service you want to provide. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Nick White nwt...@tele-net.net wrote: So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo
Anyone tried the new Tranzeo EX-2's? http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EX2 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont like equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering around for personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed radio for commercial purposes. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
