No flaming arrows now! <ducking> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jerry Richardson <[email protected] > wrote:
> Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? > > Jerry Richardson > Sent Mobile > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > YOu have it all wrong. > > > > Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of > > dealing with > > the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding > > hearts who > > "give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible > > culture > > unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of > > survival. In which case, the powers that be grant you money to > > live on > > while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and > > unviable > > culture. It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency, > > want, > > dependency and hopelessness. > > > > Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over > > land. The > > "ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant. > > Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being > > transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it, > > rather than > > adjust. IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal > > conflict > > that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight > > against > > another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge, > > technology, communication, law, and wealth. And neither understood > > it. > > > > Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and > > just drew > > a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the > > failures of > > the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the > > diseases, and so on. And worse, people with less scruples than the > > schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the > > wealth > > and simply wiped 'em out. > > > > Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth > > that > > primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix > > the two > > with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup. > > > > We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of > > the > > world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and > > ownership and written law, etc. Modern indians want the consumer > > trappings > > of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that > > made it > > possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality > > seeks to > > keep it that way. > > > > I've ranted long enough off topic... Let's just leave at this : > > Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged > > are > > exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so > > horrible, > > it is simply a crime against humanity. > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Fred Goldstein" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:52 PM > > To: <[email protected]>; "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian > > Reservation > > > >> At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: > >>> Hmmmmm. How do you become a soverign nation? > >> > >> Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and > >> settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% > >> of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and > >> take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing > >> them sovereignty on at least limited land. Then the survivors are > >> forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts > >> and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another > >> century. Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open > >> casinos. > >> > >>> Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an > >>> Integrator. :-) > >> > >> When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-( > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > >> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > >> +1 617 795 2701 > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> WISPA Wants You! 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