Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:26:54 +0100, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accesskeys: [..snip accesskeys list..] I'm not sure this is right at all. (I mean use accesskeys to navigate the site with) Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? IMO, unless your accesskeys interfere with UA keyboard shortcuts, you can use them for every part of your website. You must be cautious, however, not to assign keys that are commonly used in, say, browsers. Following links may provide some light: http://www.clagnut.com/blog/193/ http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_15_defining_keyboard_shortcuts.html Regarding tab index! I think the page is real easy to tab and the flow seems to be correct? Should I use tab index? I use it on my forms pages! Is that the correct way or should I use accesskeys or should I use tab index and accesskeys argh! A real simple explanation would be great... if there is one. Tab indices (indexes?) are helpful for those who use keyboards to navigate webpages (for example me - I browse using elinks, mostly). It's good idea to test your page's accessibility with one of available textbrowsers You may want to read part of Joe Clark's book (which is available on-line to our merit) regarding tabindex attribute: http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h3-5325 HTH. -- Lukasz Grabun http://www.grabun.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD
I think what would be more interesting is if browsers let you set your rendering mode (quirks vs standards). This would be really useful for testing purposes. However it would be even more useful when writing user stylesheets. I wrote an accessible user stylesheet a while back that changed text site and contrast, linarized tables etc. It worked fine on sites with a strict dtd. However most of the sites I tested didn't have a dtd, throwing the browser into quirks mode and screwing up my custom stylesheet. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD
Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what would be more interesting is if browsers let you set your rendering mode (quirks vs standards).This would be really useful for testing purposes. However it would be even more useful when writing user stylesheets. I wrote an "accessible" user stylesheet a while back that changed text site and contrast, linarized tables etc. It worked fine on sites with a strict dtd. However most of the sites I tested didn't have a dtd, throwing the browser into quirks mode and screwing up my custom stylesheet.Andy Buddhttp://www.message.uk.com/**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** hi sir/madam. sorry but i want to quit my membership through u si plz do not send me mail bcoz here i m neglecting all of these without reading . thanks Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.
RE: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys
Lukasz Grabun Tab indices (indexes?) are helpful for those who use keyboards to navigate webpages (for example me - I browse using elinks, mostly). However it's useless to define tabindex if the natural tab order of a page already makes sense. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) No, the CSS3.0 spec is not finished. But nevertheless good timing, cause w3.org just released a Working Draft of CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders Module. http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/ And it has multiple background images. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
But nevertheless good timing, cause w3.org just released a Working Draft of CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders Module. And it has multiple background images. Great news! Maybe once when we'll all be old and CSS3 support will be common thing among the browsers, we'll be able to tell our children how this was complicated in our times... ;) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
Jan Brasna wrote: Maybe once when we'll all be old and CSS3 support will be common thing among the browsers, we'll be able to tell our children how this was complicated in our times... ;) In MY day we had to recreate FOUR DIVS to get rounded corners! *spits* YOU don't appreciate the HARD WORK we had to do! ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
I realise that many people have already responded. Sorry for the echo. I'm not in the CSS working group, but I do work for W3C. On 17 Feb 2005, at 10:31, David R wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? I'm not sure there will ever be a CSS 3.0 spec. Rather, CSS 3 (the technology) consists of a number of modules. Some modules are further along the standardisation process than others. I'm also not sure that the CSS WG have ruled out adding new modules or removing existing ones (for a good reason of course :). Maybe once all the modules are W3C Recommendations, there will be a proclamation that CSS 3 exists. Are we still accepting comments? Yes. We accept comments at any time in the process. Some Web Essentials 04 attendees may remember somewhere during one of my incomprehensible rants I mentioned that the phases Last Call and Candidate Recommendation are very important because there is an obligation for the W3C to respond to every comment (no matter from where it comes). Most Working Groups try to respond to all comments all the time, but that can be very time consuming (especially for a popular tech like CSS). So please, send in your comments. On anything W3C-related. In my perfect world, you'd all feel as if you are part of W3C. You already have a huge influence on the work, even though you may not be the ones sitting around a table and fighting. Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Multiple people have pointed at yesterday's draft which has this feature. [Aside: My personal opinion, as someone who is more graphics oriented, is that this solution still needs work] Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) For CSS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs
Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ Browsers: Safari 1.2 Netscape (which ever version you might have) Firefox 1+ Please send the screen grabs directly to me. Please dont send them to the list! Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005/02/14 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are... ByteDreams - Original Message - From: Dean Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS3.0 I realise that many people have already responded. Sorry for the echo. I'm not in the CSS working group, but I do work for W3C. On 17 Feb 2005, at 10:31, David R wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? I'm not sure there will ever be a CSS 3.0 spec. Rather, CSS 3 (the technology) consists of a number of modules. Some modules are further along the standardisation process than others. I'm also not sure that the CSS WG have ruled out adding new modules or removing existing ones (for a good reason of course :). Maybe once all the modules are W3C Recommendations, there will be a proclamation that CSS 3 exists. Are we still accepting comments? Yes. We accept comments at any time in the process. Some Web Essentials 04 attendees may remember somewhere during one of my incomprehensible rants I mentioned that the phases Last Call and Candidate Recommendation are very important because there is an obligation for the W3C to respond to every comment (no matter from where it comes). Most Working Groups try to respond to all comments all the time, but that can be very time consuming (especially for a popular tech like CSS). So please, send in your comments. On anything W3C-related. In my perfect world, you'd all feel as if you are part of W3C. You already have a huge influence on the work, even though you may not be the ones sitting around a table and fighting. Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Multiple people have pointed at yesterday's draft which has this feature. [Aside: My personal opinion, as someone who is more graphics oriented, is that this solution still needs work] Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) For CSS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
There is some CSS3 support in Firefox and maybe Opera, I believe. --Zachary On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:22 -0500, ByteDreams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are... ByteDreams - Original Message - From: Dean Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS3.0 I realise that many people have already responded. Sorry for the echo. I'm not in the CSS working group, but I do work for W3C. On 17 Feb 2005, at 10:31, David R wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? I'm not sure there will ever be a CSS 3.0 spec. Rather, CSS 3 (the technology) consists of a number of modules. Some modules are further along the standardisation process than others. I'm also not sure that the CSS WG have ruled out adding new modules or removing existing ones (for a good reason of course :). Maybe once all the modules are W3C Recommendations, there will be a proclamation that CSS 3 exists. Are we still accepting comments? Yes. We accept comments at any time in the process. Some Web Essentials 04 attendees may remember somewhere during one of my incomprehensible rants I mentioned that the phases Last Call and Candidate Recommendation are very important because there is an obligation for the W3C to respond to every comment (no matter from where it comes). Most Working Groups try to respond to all comments all the time, but that can be very time consuming (especially for a popular tech like CSS). So please, send in your comments. On anything W3C-related. In my perfect world, you'd all feel as if you are part of W3C. You already have a huge influence on the work, even though you may not be the ones sitting around a table and fighting. Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Multiple people have pointed at yesterday's draft which has this feature. [Aside: My personal opinion, as someone who is more graphics oriented, is that this solution still needs work] Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) For CSS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- == The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs
Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ Heard of http://www.browsercam.com/ perhaps? Jeroen PS: your character encoding is going bazerk (windows-1250?), better to fix that on an international mailing list. ISO-8859-1 will do just fine. -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:22 -0500, ByteDreams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? Yes. Experiments, some using CSS3, are in CSS section on literarymoose.info Gecko support some CSS3 selectors, Opera supports part of CSS3 Generated Content module, and IE is a base for Asian text in CSS3 Text module. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - Thx
Thanks I got what I needed. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005/02/14 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
(BOn 16 Feb 2005, at 22:16, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: (B (B Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and (B #148; in normal text. (B $B!m(B - The double prime. U+2033. The inch $B!l(B - The prime. U+2032. The foot (Bhttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/DoublePrime.html (B (B Taken from http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html (quote level (B altered) (B !ENTITY primeCDATA "#8242;" -- prime = minutes = feet, U+2032 (B ISOtech -- (B !ENTITY PrimeCDATA "#8243;" -- double prime = seconds = inches, (B U+2033 ISOtech -- (B (B" - The double quote (straight/neutral) (B' - The apostrophe or single quote (B (BThere are also the obvious left right, double single quotes (B (B !ENTITY quotCDATA "#34;" -- quotation mark = APL quote, (B U+0022 ISOnum -- (B (B-- (BPaul Connolley - http://shunuk.co.uk/ (B (B** (BThe discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ (B (B See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm (B for some hints on posting to the list getting help (B**
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
Additionally: Taken from http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/intro/sgmltut.html which is an overview of looking at SGML Content model definitions The content model describes what may be contained by an instance of an element type. Content model definitions may include: The names of allowed or forbidden element types (e.g., the UL element contains instances of the LI element type, and the P element type may not contain other P elements). DTD entities (e.g., the LABEL element contains instances of the %inline; parameter entity). Document text (indicated by the SGML construct #PCDATA). Text may contain character references. Recall that these begin with and end with a semicolon (e.g., Hergeacute;'s adventures of Tintin contains the character entity reference for the e acute character). Emphasis on Document text - PCDATA. Text **may** contain character references. This doesn't imply that all of the four main html entities have to be encoded (, , , and ). Note this document originally applied to HTML but is as relevant to XHTML if you please. The only important consideration is that ampersands be encoded correctly in HTML and XHTML. -- Paul Connolley - http://shunuk.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
Paul Connolley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:52 AM said: Emphasis on Document text - PCDATA. Text **may** contain character references. This doesn't imply that all of the four main html entities have to be encoded (, , , and ). Note this document originally applied to HTML but is as relevant to XHTML if you please. The only important consideration is that ampersands be encoded correctly in HTML and XHTML. So then is the consesus that encoding only the ampersand within regular body text is necessary and all other encodings are superfluous (excluding obvious necessities like value=quot;)? Thanks, Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?
I've just asked the W3C Validator. Test based on XHTML Strict.
PCDATA, document text (plike that/p):
allows '' and '' everywhere,
allows, but warns about '' with non-letter after it (' ', 'tag',
'123', '# ' are fine),
does not allow '' followed by a letter.
CDATA, attribute text (a href=this one):
allows '', if '\'' is used for quoting attribute (that='is ok'),
'', '' same like in PCDATA,
allows, but warns about '' (including attr=nontag).
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Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
ByteDreams wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are... Try Blake Scarborough's piece from last November: Looking Around the Corner at CSS3 [1] And Stuart Langridge's article from August 2002(!): External Links the CSS Way [2] The latter illustrates one relatively common use of substring matching that the former fails to mention Personally, I use CSS3 in a 'progressive enhancement' fashion. None of my pages rely on it, but if you have a supporting browser you get a few bonuses Enjoy! Lachlan [1] http://www.blakems.com/archives/88.html [2] http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2002/08/30/external ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more
Hi to all! Just a little off-topic... I think that there might be many people who don't know about this service: http://www.browsercam.com/ It's a site where you can get screen caps of your site from a large variety of browsers and different system configurations. It's not free, but there is a limited free trial. People who make professional websites on daily basis are propably very interested in this service. I just thought to tell about this if someone's not already heard of it. Cheers, Juha-Markku Liikala Department of Information Processing Science www.juhaliikala.com University of Oulu, Finland On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Thanks I got what I needed. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005/02/14 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Review Please
Howdy, I've been coming signed up only a few weeks here and have read only two dozen or so topics, mainly because I've been working on a new site and have had midterms to study for (UCF student in Orlando). The site was completed on the 11th though I am still working on backend PHP functionality. If some of you professionals could run it through the gauntlet, that would probably helpful to me (I find it hard to get rid of the if they don't use IE6.x or Firefox, screw them anyway, my sites aren't selling anything mentality). Two pages wont show up as XHTML Transitional complaint because they are using Flash (I've only seen one solution to making compliant html flash implementation and I disliked the drawbacks of not being able to inform the user to upgrade their Flash if they are using an old version). Thanks for any replies. http://ffxi.anime-madness.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Guys n Gals, Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would have to say about the way Ive achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so Im happy from the accessibility angle. Ive tested in IE6.0PC and FF1.0PC. Any other browser tests would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance +61 414 275 989 callto://tathamoddie
Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Checked in IE 6.x SP2 and FF1.x (pc), loooks good in both. I like the way you did the text wrapping. Why did you use 9 divs instead of 5 though? you only have 4 lines of text and that empty line. Was it just so that if the text size was made much smaller it'll still wrap nicely? On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:40:23 +1100, Tatham Oddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys n' Gals, It'd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but I'm interested in what people would have to say about the way I've achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so I'm happy from the accessibility angle. I've tested in IE6.0PC and FF1.0PC. Any other browser tests would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance +61 414 275 989 callto://tathamoddie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Hi Tatham, the layout breaks in Opera 7.54u2/Win (the background is weirdly positioned). Safari 1.1 and FF 1.0/Mac looks OK. IE 5.23/Mac badly positions the main content area (some negative margins/positions?). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Looks fine on netscape 7 but this is how it looks like on Opera7.52 http://wapcss.com/whatcan.gif - Carmelyne Thompson Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would have to say about the way Ive achieved the text wrapping.
Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. Terrence Wood. Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more
COOL!!! (O_O) Yarr! I'm going to have to work on some of those.. (o_o) *Specifically, IE5/Mac and Netscape 4.x/All. IE4/Win is blank, wonder why? Very nice tool! I do wish it was free though... --Zachary Hopkins Juha-Markku Liikala wrote: Hi to all! Just a little off-topic... I think that there might be many people who don't know about this service: http://www.browsercam.com/ It's a site where you can get screen caps of your site from a large variety of browsers and different system configurations. It's not free, but there is a limited free trial. People who make professional websites on daily basis are propably very interested in this service. I just thought to tell about this if someone's not already heard of it. Cheers, Juha-Markku Liikala Department of Information Processing Science www.juhaliikala.com University of Oulu, Finland On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Thanks I got what I needed. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005/02/14 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more
Netscape 4.x/All. IE4/Win is blank, wonder why? I'd say what I think about these browsers, but that kind of language is forbidden on this list ;) Use @import to hide CSS from these browsers. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
At 03:40 PM 2/17/2005, Tatham Oddie wrote: Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of http://www.whatcanido.com.au/www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would have to say about the way Ive achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so Im happy from the accessibility angle. Ive tested in IE6.0PC and FF1.0PC. Any other browser tests would be appreciated as well. Tatham, I think that's a clever way to wrap text around a graphic. It seems to work fine (with text-resizing) in WinXP in Mozilla 1.7.2, Netscape 7.1, and Opera 7.23. I know some folks (including perhaps myself) will object to your use of the CSS equivalent of spacer gifs, since they have no semantic content at all, but it does work. I wonder if such objections would fall silent if you'd used a column of foreground image slices in staggered widths instead of p tags? Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS3.0
On 18 Feb 2005, at 2:42 am, Kornel Lesinski wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? Yes. Experiments, some using CSS3, are in CSS section on literarymoose.info Gecko support some CSS3 selectors, Opera supports part of CSS3 Generated Content module, and IE is a base for Asian text in CSS3 Text module. And Safari 1.2 has about the same level of support for CSS3 selectors as Gecko. (Safari support ::selection ! Gecko -moz::selection) Opacity (color module) is supported by both Gecko and Safari; Safari has some more support for this module, but it is uneven (rgba). I wish nth-child was supported -) Safari 2 might surprise us in this field, when it is released. IE win supports lots of the CSS3 text-module, although with a different syntax sometimes. Esp good for Asian text (text-align:justify; text-justify:inter-ideograph is very cool in IE for longer articles). Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
G'day Terrence Wood wrote: why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. ... Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. If you use blockquote for a summary of the page content it will indeed be semantically different, but (in my opinion) semantically wrong. If it's not a quote, it's not a quote. I believe some screen readers also read blockquotes differently from regular text (different voice and a mention of begin quote and end quote). I would use a heading and paragraph(s). If you want to separate it from the rest of the content, put it in a div with a semantic id. There does not seem to be a consensus about whether divs *can* have semantic meaning, but to me div id=summary has more meaning than using a blockquote to present something that's not a quote from an external source. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Levi, You read my mind! Yeah - that was the basic reason. Thanks a lot for the assistance. Tat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au Checked in IE 6.x SP2 and FF1.x (pc), loooks good in both. I like the way you did the text wrapping. Why did you use 9 divs instead of 5 though? you only have 4 lines of text and that empty line. Was it just so that if the text size was made much smaller it'll still wrap nicely? On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:40:23 +1100, Tatham Oddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys n' Gals, It'd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page - but I'm interested in what people would have to say about the way I've achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so I'm happy from the accessibility angle. I've tested in IE6.0PC and FF1.0PC. Any other browser tests would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance +61 414 275 989 callto://tathamoddie ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Great. Yet not so great Thanks a lot for your assistance Carmelyne. Tat From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmelyne Thompson Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 11:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au Looks fine on netscape 7 but this is how it looks like on Opera7.52 http://wapcss.com/whatcan.gif - Carmelyne Thompson Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would have to say about the way Ive achieved the text wrapping.
[WSG] silly question
can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie any help much appreciated ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] silly question
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RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au
Paul, Thanks for the browser help... In some ways I am also objecting to the way I used the spacers, but think it was the most elegant solution that I could find. I checked it using Fangs, and the screen reader output seems perfect. The only other option I could think of was to use divs or something instead - avoiding the 'paragraph' information I am currently attaching to them. Tat -Original Message- From: Paul Novitski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 12:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au At 03:40 PM 2/17/2005, Tatham Oddie wrote: It'd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of http://www.whatcanido.com.au/www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page - but I'm interested in what people would have to say about the way I've achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so I'm happy from the accessibility angle. I've tested in IE6.0PC and FF1.0PC. Any other browser tests would be appreciated as well. Tatham, I think that's a clever way to wrap text around a graphic. It seems to work fine (with text-resizing) in WinXP in Mozilla 1.7.2, Netscape 7.1, and Opera 7.23. I know some folks (including perhaps myself) will object to your use of the CSS equivalent of spacer gifs, since they have no semantic content at all, but it does work. I wonder if such objections would fall silent if you'd used a column of foreground image slices in staggered widths instead of p tags? Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] silly question
anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie Try adding list-style-image: (url (images/dot.gif); to #c #list should fix it, can't give a logical explanation, it is to do with inheritance and specificity. And FF and IE using different logic/rules for dealing with specificity and iheritance. Nick This email is from the Department of Consumer and Employment Protection and any information or attachments to it may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply mail to the sender informing them of the error and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. As the information is confidential you must not disclose, copy or use it in any manner. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] silly question
It's in your CSS. I am working on trying to find the specific answer. It may be caused by incorrect css references through double id's.. I will send word when I find more. --Zachary simon dodson wrote: can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie any help much appreciated ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] silly question
Under #c #list, removing, float:left; width: 128px; will make the bullets work, but they hide behind the picture. --Zachary simon dodson wrote: can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie any help much appreciated ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages
Thanks very much for that, Dejan. Choose charset UTF-8 (not UTF-8 BOM) when saving. Can you explain the difference? Don't forget to mark up properly the Vietnamese content with div lang=vi or such... Now the one easy thing about this project is that Vietnamese already contains all the unaccented roman letters. So I can set the whole page to be vietnamese I guess and it won't stop the English being English... Or would that cause a problem? Thanks again, Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] silly question
Working code:
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#c #list{
float:left;
width: 128px;
margin: 20px 0 0 0;
padding: 0 0 0 25px;
font-weight: bold;
list-style-image: url(images/dot.gif);
}
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*I believe your more global _ul_ command _#c ul_ might be causing your
problems.*
--Zachary
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Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages
Choose charset UTF-8 (not UTF-8 BOM) when saving. Can you explain the difference? Hi John, yes I'd be glad to explain the difference. When saving in UTF, a Byte Order Mark (or BOM) can be added to signify which type Unicode follows. The bad news is that the BOM may make the file unreadable to applications which are not Unicode aware; so when saving UTF8 you should only add a BOM if you know the application that will open the file can handle it. See http://www.unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#BOM for more details. woric ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?
Hi List, long time lurker who is trying to get more courageous with CSS. I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method : style type=text/css media=screen !-- @import url(p7pm/p7pmh10.css); -- /style link href=_style5.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css --- I am confused as to the merits of both. If you can point me to a resource that discusses this issue I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Joe ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?
Thanks for your message Kerry Sorry for not picking up, I'm in a telecon at the moment. I will have a look at the quote and the scheduling over the weekend and I should be able to get a response to you by Monday/Tuesday. There will be many increases in effeciency, but I'll attempt to put some sort of figure in with what I send you. Have a great weekend. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged and confidential, and are intended only for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or responsible for delivering this e-mail to the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please REPLY TO the SENDER to advise the error AND then DELETE the e-mail from your system. Any views expressed in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of our organisation. Our organisation does not represent or warrant that the attached files are free from computer viruses or other defects. The user assumes all responsibility for any loss or damage resulting directly or indirectly from the use of the attached files. In any event, the liability to our organisation is limited to either the resupply of the attached files or the cost of having the attached files resupplied From: J. DesGeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:16:13 -0700 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best? Hi List, long time lurker who is trying to get more courageous with CSS. I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method : style type=text/css media=screen !-- @import url(p7pm/p7pmh10.css); -- /style link href=_style5.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css --- I am confused as to the merits of both. If you can point me to a resource that discusses this issue I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Joe ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?
J. DesGeorges wrote: I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method ... I am confused as to the merits of both. If you can point me to a resource that discusses this issue I would really appreciate it. This might help: http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/style-html.html It's a bit old, but not much have changed over the years. link rel=stylesheet... / is most commonly used, I believe. @import rules can be used to 'import' other stylesheets into a main one. Such @import rules are then placed at the very top of a stylesheet-- external or in the page head. Advantages and disadvantages has to do with whether older browsers can make use of these methods or not, as some like to hide styles from old browsers. All new browsers can use both methods. I use link-rel in my pages and @import in my stylesheets, and play hide and seek with old browsers by applying other methods when I think it's useful. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
