[WSG] Standards and The DataGrid
Hi, Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client this component has issues with td th elements. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid
Chris Just off the top of my head, but .net 2.0 offers the new GridView web control and most output I have tested in .net 2.0 has been compliant markup, if a little verbose. The DataGrid was a web control offered as part of .net 1.x and has now been replaced by the GridView. Most of the enhancements are to do with easier databinding routines and the the new declarative datasource controls. What issues with table markup does your client think they have? The data returned to a databound control is ideal for presentation on a tabular format. It is, after all a table of data that is being diplayed. If you have issues with the DataGrid, why not grab back control of the output in a Repeater control. There are even scripts that will allow paging with the repeater. Check out 4guysfromrolla or msdn. I wouldn't like to script sorting on columns however. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: 07 November 2005 13:54 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid Hi, Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client this component has issues with td th elements. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Bridging the gap in IE
Hi, I'm using image replacement on a H1 element. The problem I'm having is that the content under the H1 is fine in Firefox, but is pushed much further down the page in IE6. An example shows it clearly: HTML: http://timburgan.com/css-test/index.htm CSS: http://timburgan.com/css-test/css/style.css Is this a common issue, because I always seem to run into it? Does anyone have any ideas as to what this is caused by and how to overcome this? Regards Tim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Bridging the gap in IE
maybe because the values of the properties of css doesn´t have units. check if work width height:xx px or em Quoting Tim Burgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm using image replacement on a H1 element. The problem I'm having is that the content under the H1 is fine in Firefox, but is pushed much further down the page in IE6. An example shows it clearly: HTML: http://timburgan.com/css-test/index.htm CSS: http://timburgan.com/css-test/css/style.css Is this a common issue, because I always seem to run into it? Does anyone have any ideas as to what this is caused by and how to overcome this? Regards Tim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari problems
I'm having trouble recalling the what-version-of-Safari-runs-on what- version-of-Mac OS X listing, but is it possible to have them upgrade Safari to the highest possible that they can run (if they all ready haven't, that is)? I just know that Safari 1 was buggy as all get out. Few people at the time cared about it because of that, and I am sure many still ignore it. Just a thought. I have never tried to code for it. On Nov 5, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Adam Morris wrote: The guys who I've done the site for, use this browser so it would be nice for it to behave. This is the flowered list: http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/ - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Bridging the gap in IE
G'day I'm using image replacement on a H1 element. The problem I'm having is that the content under the H1 is fine in Firefox, but is pushed much further down the page in IE6. An example shows it clearly: HTML: http://timburgan.com/css-test/index.htm CSS: http://timburgan.com/css-test/css/style.css Is this a common issue, because I always seem to run into it? Does anyone have any ideas as to what this is caused by and how to overcome this? A few possible causes: 1. invalid HTML 2. invalid CSS 3. default font size and line height on the h1 4. margin on the paragraph following the h1 Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari problems
Ah, that's brilliant to know, Tom, that it's a dodgy browser and not my ignorance! They seem to be running the first incarnation of OSX so I imagine it's the first Safari release too. It would be nice to know exactly what bug is causing the problem though... On 07/11/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having trouble recalling the what-version-of-Safari-runs-on what- version-of-Mac OS X listing, but is it possible to have them upgrade Safari to the highest possible that they can run (if they all ready haven't, that is)? I just know that Safari 1 was buggy as all get out. Few people at the time cared about it because of that, and I am sure many still ignore it. Just a thought. I have never tried to code for it. On Nov 5, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Adam Morris wrote: The guys who I've done the site for, use this browser so it would be nice for it to behave. This is the flowered list: http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/ - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid
Hi,The client is having trouble:"Just to update you, we're having some issues making your styles work withinthe program, as the generated table does not have TD's and TH's in thetraditional sense per se."The application is running on IE 6.Thanks,Christopher KennonOn Nov 7, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Peter Goddard wrote:ChrisJust off the top of my head, but .net 2.0 offers the new GridView webcontrol and most output I have tested in .net 2.0 has been compliantmarkup, if a little verbose. The DataGrid was a web control offered aspart of .net 1.x and has now been replaced by the GridView. Most of theenhancements are to do with easier databinding routines and the the newdeclarative datasource controls. What issues with table markup does your client think they have? The datareturned to a databound control is ideal for presentation on a tabularformat. It is, after all a table of data that is being diplayed. If you have issues with the DataGrid, why not grab back control of theoutput in a Repeater control. There are even scripts that will allowpaging with the repeater. Check out 4guysfromrolla or msdn. I wouldn'tlike to script sorting on columns however.HTHPeter -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris KennonSent: 07 November 2005 13:54To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Standards and The DataGridHi,Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client thiscomponent has issues with td th elements.Respectfully,Chris**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting helpThe discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Safari problems
On my version of Safari (1.3)
The 1.3 branch is fairly OK, it implemented all the bugfixes and
features that are present in 2.x, but the odler one misbehave seriously.
My EUR 0.02 - try to play with
#navigation li {
background-position: 0.5em;
}
a bit, like: 5px 5px or 20% 20% to see whether it works or not. I'd say
it'd be enough to use something like 0.5em 0 or similar.
--
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[WSG] position fixed on the thead
Hi All I'm trying something out and wanted to know if anyone had any experience with this. I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I will need to come up with a hack for IE6 and below, what other browsers do not support fixed? I'm also noticing the margins seem off and the page loads with the content already underneath the thead. How could I get the page to load with the table looking normal and then, voila the head stand still while the rest scrolls? I found a teasingly unformatted xml file from Tantek that states IE5.5: THEAD and TFOOT can't be fixed with 'position: fixed' in CSS on the w3.org site. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/impl-pr2/evaluations/eval_mac_ie5.xml I looked at the table gallery and didn't find any examples. http://icant.co.uk/csstablegallery/ Any ideas? Ted Drake www.tdrake.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
Haven't got time to try (last HSC exam tomorrow! woo! -- final school exams here in NSW Australia), but maybe using the display: property to ditch normal table-like behaviours for the thead? http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_display.asp Then try position:fixed. No idea if this works or not, but it occured to me that there are different display: types for tables than other elements. Josh On 11/8/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I'm trying something out and wanted to know if anyone had any experience with this. I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I will need to come up with a hack for IE6 and below, what other browsers do not support fixed? I'm also noticing the margins seem off and the page loads with the content already underneath the thead. How could I get the page to load with the table looking normal and then, voila the head stand still while the rest scrolls? I found a teasingly unformatted xml file from Tantek that states IE5.5: THEAD and TFOOT can't be fixed with 'position: fixed' in CSS on the w3.org site. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/impl-pr2/evaluations/eval_mac_ie5.xml I looked at the table gallery and didn't find any examples. http://icant.co.uk/csstablegallery/ Any ideas? Ted Drake www.tdrake.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
Hi Ted In response to: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I came across this http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.html while scouring the web for fixed print header/footer solutions. It seems to fit your requirements, though I haven't investigated/played with it myself. Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] disabling autocomplete and validation
I’m trying to implement a similar thing to Google suggest but have found that the browser’s default autocomplete gets in the way. The only way I’ve found to override this is to use the non-standard autocomplete=”off” attribute of the input element. I suspect that if you give the form element a random name (its id could be consistent, for your javascript), then the browser won't ever match anything in its memory and so won't try to autocomplete. Then you just make your server app figure out what name to look for, perhaps with a hidden form field value. -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
Ted Drake said: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I looked around for a solution to this recently. Most solutions rely on wrapping parts of the table in divs and positioning those, and that just didn't appeal to me. I did find this one, which is valid but haven't used it: http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bulletVersion.html kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
We are using the fixed THEAD/TFOOT extensively and dont have any problems with it. I also applied the concept to fixing a left hand section - which also worked. Yes, and while it uses a DIV wrapped around the table (and the fixed sections are anchored to that DIV) it provides the very familiar behaviour the people expect from a table with very minimal CSS. Is it standard across all browsers? Don't know, don't care. We are only using it in a controlled environment. Regards, Gary On 11/8/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Drake said: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I looked around for a solution to this recently. Most solutions rely onwrapping parts of the table in divs and positioning those, and that justdidn't appeal to me.I did find this one, which is valid but haven't used it: http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bulletVersion.htmlkind regardsTerrence Wood.** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
RE: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
Hi Gary Could you send a sample url? I have come across some jscript solutions. Ive been told that the caption doesnt play nicely with overflow:scroll on the tbody. But I havent tested it yet. Thanks Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Menzel Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead We are using the fixed THEAD/TFOOT extensively and dont have any problems with it. I also applied the concept to fixing a left hand section - which also worked. Yes, and while it uses a DIV wrapped around the table (and the fixed sections are anchored to that DIV) it provides the very familiar behaviour the people expect from a table with very minimal CSS. Is it standard across all browsers? Don't know, don't care. We are only using it in a controlled environment. Regards, Gary On 11/8/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Drake said: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I looked around for a solution to this recently. Most solutions rely on wrapping parts of the table in divs and positioning those, and that just didn't appeal to me. I did find this one, which is valid but haven't used it: http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bulletVersion.html kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
This solution is really cool. The programmer is simply putting the thead and tfoot outside a scrolling div with absolute positioning. The tbody is all that is left in the div and it scrolls. http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.html Thanks Scott for finding it. Ted -Original Message- Hi Ted In response to: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I came across this http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.html while scouring the web for fixed print header/footer solutions. It seems to fit your requirements, though I haven't investigated/played with it myself. Regards Scott Swabey ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
I came up with a solution for this exact problem a while back and wrote about it here http://www.agavegroup.com/?p=31 It relies on only one extra div, then a className. I often load the table normally, then onLoad, apply the classname to the table which resets it to being scrollable. Hope it helps.On 11/7/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This solution is really cool. The programmer is simply putting the thead andtfoot outside a scrolling div with absolute positioning. The tbody is allthat is left in the div and it scrolls. http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.htmlThanks Scott for finding it.Ted-Original Message-Hi TedIn response to: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it.I came across thishttp://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.html while scouring the web for fixed print header/footer solutions. It seems tofit your requirements, though I haven't investigated/played with it myself.RegardsScott Swabey** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- www.agavegroup.com
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
One of my favorite sites has this to offer among many other neat css solutions. http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/tablescroll.html On 11/7/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This solution is really cool. The programmer is simply putting the thead andtfoot outside a scrolling div with absolute positioning. The tbody is allthat is left in the div and it scrolls. http://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.htmlThanks Scott for finding it.Ted-Original Message-Hi TedIn response to: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it.I came across thishttp://web.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/nonscroll-table-header2.html while scouring the web for fixed print header/footer solutions. It seems tofit your requirements, though I haven't investigated/played with it myself.RegardsScott Swabey** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead
I will have to wait until I am work and find the reference. The solution actually ensures that the head and foot still look like they are part of the table. I.E. the scroll bar still sits alongside the head and foot. I.E. it looks like a real listbox. Gary On 11/8/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gary Could you send a sample url? I have come across some jscript solutions. I've been told that the caption doesn't play nicely with overflow:scroll on the tbody. But I haven't tested it yet. Thanks Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary MenzelSent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:51 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] position fixed on the thead We are using the fixed THEAD/TFOOT extensively and dont have any problems with it. I also applied the concept to fixing a left hand section - which also worked. Yes, and while it uses a DIV wrapped around the table (and the fixed sections are anchored to that DIV) it provides the very familiar behaviour the people expect from a table with very minimal CSS. Is it standard across all browsers? Don't know, don't care. We are only using it in a controlled environment. Regards, Gary On 11/8/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Drake said: I'd like to keep the thead fixed and let the remainder of the rows scroll underneath it. I looked around for a solution to this recently. Most solutions rely onwrapping parts of the table in divs and positioning those, and that justdidn't appeal to me.I did find this one, which is valid but haven't used it: http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bulletVersion.htmlkind regardsTerrence Wood. ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
