[WSG] A note from ADMIN - out of office and trimming replies
Hi WSG peoples Two things to keep in mind - out of office messages and trimming replies. 1. OUT OF OFFICE --- If you go on holidays and set your out of the office message, make sure you change your mail status so you don't send out of the office mail to the list. To change your mail status: 1. go to members section of the WSG website and login: http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/index.cfm 2. find a link in the left column called Edit your login details and mail list subscriptions. This will take you to the manage login page. 3. on the Manage login page, change your mail list settings from Full WSG list to No mail from the WSG list. Simple! All out of office senders will now be taken off the main list by core members immediately and set to No mail. Repeat offenders will be forced to take all 4500 WSG members on their next holiday. 2. TRIM REPLIES --- If you reply to a post, please trim your replies. This means taking off any unnecessary info from the previous email. This is especially important for those on Digest mode, as they receive all recent emails in one huge string. Trimming emails is also good for the environment. Remember, those extra pixels are adding to global warming - so do your bit and TRIM TRIM TRIM. Thanks Russ ADMIN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Web Accessibility Workshops at the University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana
The following are a series of hands-on workshops related to learning how to create universally accessible web resources to give participants the skill they need to create functionally accessible web resources. 2-Day http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/2day/http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/2day/Universal Design Workshop for Web Developers using Web Standards http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/2day/*Time: *9:00 am - 5:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA**Contact: *Christy Blew [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Register:* http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm Publishing Office to the Webhttp://www.cita.uiuc.edu/presentations/office2web/index.php *Date: *June 5th *Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA **Contact: *Christy Blew [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Register:* http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm Crerating Accessible PDF Documents http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/#*Date: *June 15th *Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA **Contact: *Christy Blew [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Register:* http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm Publishing Office to the Webhttp://www.cita.uiuc.edu/presentations/office2web/index.php *Date: *July 13th *Time: *10:00 am - 3:00 pm*Room: *Suite 26, Room 27 - Illini Hall Computing Lab*Location: Champaign, IL USA **Contact: *Christy Blew [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Register:* http://www.oir.uiuc.edu/fast3/registration_form.htm *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] wa state guidlines question
Hi group, This may only relate to Western Australian people but someone else may know... I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. Thanks for you rhelp Jermayn The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. no idea about state guidelines ... but I hope the page warns people that they are pdf's before they click! One of my pet hates is acrobat reader opening in a browser unexpectedly. It takes a long time to start and the browser is completely locked up while it waits for acrobat reader to start. (acrobat reader had the same problem a decade ago and they never fixed it!) Its especially annoying when looking at government sites - they seem to use pdf for almost everything (including a lot of stuff that could have just been put there as html) If it's a pdf I prefer to just download it and open it in acrobat reader without using the browser - much less hassle and I can still browse while waiting for acrobat reader to start! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Jermayn, I think that it really depends on the end user. I know that any .pdf I open within my copy of Firefox or Safari will always open up a separate instance of Acrobat Reader or OSX Preview.app anyway (= new window). It might have something to do with how Acrobat Reader is installed by the end user, i.e Either as a plugin or standalone app. As a side question, why use PDF? As a governmental body (assumption made by examining your email address), why are you putting your public information into a proprietary format that requires a proprietary reader to read? Can someone tell me how accessible PDF documents are to people with special needs? I'm assuming that it's not hopeless with the likes of the accessibility features within Windows and OSX, or am I wrong? Karl On 5/9/07, Jermayn Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi group, This may only relate to Western Australian people but someone else may know... I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. Thanks for you rhelp Jermayn The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Hi Jermayn When in doubt, look to AGIMO and what they recommend. Mostly, they recommend us looking at W3C, and our obligation there is to fulfil at least the level one priorities. W3C tells us to avoid opening new windows as far as is possible (can't remember which priority level that is!). However, you'll find that many users still close the entire browser window in an attempt to close a PDF, so it may be better to open it in a new window. To some extent, this decision is more up to each individual department, and I've seen both practices implemented. Does your department have specific guidelines? Tamara :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 12:37 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] wa state guidlines question Hi group, This may only relate to Western Australian people but someone else may know... I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. Thanks for you rhelp Jermayn The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Karl and mdagn yes we do have some publications that are currently in html format and going through the state guidlines I found a reference about html and pdf copies as pdf is not accessible (word is), so im think we may just do that even though the five odd publications are 60 plus pages each... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/05/2007 11:14:36 am Jermayn, I think that it really depends on the end user. I know that any .pdf I open within my copy of Firefox or Safari will always open up a separate instance of Acrobat Reader or OSX Preview.app anyway (= new window). It might have something to do with how Acrobat Reader is installed by the end user, i.e Either as a plugin or standalone app. As a side question, why use PDF? As a governmental body (assumption made by examining your email address), why are you putting your public information into a proprietary format that requires a proprietary reader to read? Can someone tell me how accessible PDF documents are to people with special needs? I'm assuming that it's not hopeless with the likes of the accessibility features within Windows and OSX, or am I wrong? Karl The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE 7 body length problem
Hello list, On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/ the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone help me out? Thanks in advance. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Why not let the user decide if they want a new window or not? It is generally a bad idea for accessibility. National Australian standards also cover WA, HREOC standards which follow WCAG Guidelines. http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#wc-priority-1 Guideline 10. Use interim solutions recommends not opening new windows. I think it also might limit your doctype to transitoional, in Quirks mode it may be less reliable in rendering some pages in some browsers. http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html They should care about Australian laws requiring compliance with at minimum WCAG 1.0 Checklists. Tim On 09/05/2007, at 1:08 PM, Michael MD wrote: I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. no idea about state guidelines ... but I hope the page warns people that they are pdf's before they click! One of my pet hates is acrobat reader opening in a browser unexpectedly. It takes a long time to start and the browser is completely locked up while it waits for acrobat reader to start. (acrobat reader had the same problem a decade ago and they never fixed it!) Its especially annoying when looking at government sites - they seem to use pdf for almost everything (including a lot of stuff that could have just been put there as html) If it's a pdf I prefer to just download it and open it in acrobat reader without using the browser - much less hassle and I can still browse while waiting for acrobat reader to start! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Tamara, I never look to AGIMO except to see what they are mucking up. A review of their Finance and Gov pages These AGIMO pages are a bit ordinary for accessibility. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html#agmio I never look to AGIMO, except to wonder what low standards they are now promoting! They stated to me when I pointed out Centrelink homepage errors, We lead by example Special Minister responsible for AGIMO, Gary Nair also states that: Australia leads the world in e-governance. But I proved they are not. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/Results.html On average UK sites had fewer validation errors and more accessibility features. AGIMO do not lead by example, see a review of the AGIMO 2006 awards for excellence. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html#roadready Tim On 09/05/2007, at 1:24 PM, Tamara Jackson wrote: Hi Jermayn When in doubt, look to AGIMO and what they recommend. Mostly, they recommend us looking at W3C, and our obligation there is to fulfil at least the level one priorities. W3C tells us to avoid opening new windows as far as is possible (can't remember which priority level that is!). However, you'll find that many users still close the entire browser window in an attempt to close a PDF, so it may be better to open it in a new window. To some extent, this decision is more up to each individual department, and I've seen both practices implemented. Does your department have specific guidelines? Tamara :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jermayn Parker Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 12:37 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] wa state guidlines question Hi group, This may only relate to Western Australian people but someone else may know... I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything. Thanks for you rhelp Jermayn *** * The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 *** * * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/
the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page
load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know
there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone
help me out? Thanks in advance.
Hi Christian,
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout to
some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
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Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
Apply the background to the html element. Not sure if this fits in with standards but it works. Christian Montoya wrote: Hello list, On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/ the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone help me out? Thanks in advance. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
On 5/9/07, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/
the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page
load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know
there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone
help me out? Thanks in advance.
Hi Christian,
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout to
some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
Couldn't see this issue on my IE7 too (are you using a beta?). Thierry
is right, the element needs to be given layout.
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
enjoy...
Karl
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Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Jermayn You might want to consider posting the question to the WA Online Services Interest Group http://www.dpc.wa.gov.au/psmd/osig/osig.html It is a very low traffic mailing list for WA public sector. A number of the people involved in the development of the guidelines are on that list. The State Government Web Site Guidelines do not mention opening links or documents in new windows. If I remember correctly it was discussed by the working group on version 2 of the guidelines and because there where two quite different opposing views, it was left out of the guidelines. You need to check section 3.12 which covers content in pdf, word and other non HTML formats. You wrote: I found a reference about html and pdf copies as pdf is not accessible (word is) I would disagree. I believe the pdf and word issue dates back to 1999 or so, when you needed to upgrade to the latest and greatest of JAWS at considerable cost to fully access pdfs. Things have changed in 8 years. Now you can access pdfs with almost any screenreader (that is less than 8 years old) and a free version of acrobat. For word documents you also need software to open it and the most common, word costs. -- Nick Cowie http://nickcowie.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Nick wrote: I would disagree. I believe the pdf and word issue dates back to 1999 or so, when you needed to upgrade to the latest and greatest of JAWS at considerable cost to fully access pdfs. Things have changed in 8 years. Now you can access pdfs with almost any screenreader (that is less than 8 years old) and a free version of acrobat. For word documents you also need software to open it and the most common, word costs. While this is generally true, you need to remember that the creator of a PDF should do a few simple things to make it accessible. Most don't. Kerry -- Kerry Webb Policy Office InTACT x70239 --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout
to some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
Be very careful about overusing hasLayout. It's not something that
should just be gratuitously used everywhere you think there's a bug,
particularly when you can't actually see a bug. If used carelessly,
hasLayout has the potential to cause more problems than it actually solves.
Hacks should always be a last resort, not something you turn to at the
first sign of a bug. It's always better if you can resolve the issue at
source, instead of throwing random hacks at it until it's patched.
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Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
The concept of 'Has Layout' is not a hack, its part of IE's rendering
model... It happens to be something that is outside of the CSS
standard - that doesn't make it a hack.
Microsoft developers decided that elements should be able to acquire
a property (in an object-oriented programming sense) they referred
to as hasLayout, which is set to true when this rendering concept
takes effect.
Besides, if one is worried about validating CSS (which they should
be), it can be dealt with by using conditional mark-up just like any
other IE bollocks. :)
On 5/9/07, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout
to some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
Be very careful about overusing hasLayout. It's not something that
should just be gratuitously used everywhere you think there's a bug,
particularly when you can't actually see a bug. If used carelessly,
hasLayout has the potential to cause more problems than it actually solves.
Hacks should always be a last resort, not something you turn to at the
first sign of a bug. It's always better if you can resolve the issue at
source, instead of throwing random hacks at it until it's patched.
--
Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
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RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
and Kerry, how do you make the pdf accessible??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/05/2007 12:50:25 pm Nick wrote: I would disagree. I believe the pdf and word issue dates back to 1999 or so, when you needed to upgrade to the latest and greatest of JAWS at considerable cost to fully access pdfs. Things have changed in 8 years. Now you can access pdfs with almost any screenreader (that is less than 8 years old) and a free version of acrobat. For word documents you also need software to open it and the most common, word costs. While this is generally true, you need to remember that the creator of a PDF should do a few simple things to make it accessible. Most don't. Kerry -- Kerry Webb Policy Office InTACT x70239 --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security requirements for inbound transmission. ** The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
Hi ,
I found my IE7 will show the bug on its first load, but any refresh
afterwards will load with the body/colour covering the entire window.
(covering the window with another window will also remove the whitespace.)
A quick check with the IE7 developer toolbar shows the body stretching
only as far as the content.
If would suggest setting a background colour for the html.
btw the toolbar declares body hasLayout = -1
Kind Regards,
Kane Tapping
Web Standards Developer
Web and Content Management Services
Griffith University. 4111. Australia.
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Phone: +61 (0)7 373 57630
On 5/9/07, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On my site, http://christianmontoya.net/
the body does not extend past the content in IE 7 on initial page
load, so the background doesn't reach the bottom of the screen. I know
there's a simple fix for this, but I can't remember it... can someone
help me out? Thanks in advance.
Hi Christian,
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout
to
some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
Couldn't see this issue on my IE7 too (are you using a beta?). Thierry
is right, the element needs to be given layout.
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
enjoy...
Karl
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Re: [WSG] IE 7 body length problem
From: Lachlan Hunt
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I don't see this behavior in ie7 WinXP Pro
But I think you should be able to fix what you describe by giving layout
to some element in there.
Did you try: body {zoom:1}
Be very careful about overusing hasLayout. It's not something that should
just be gratuitously used everywhere you think there's a bug, particularly
when you can't actually see a bug. If used carelessly, hasLayout has the
potential to cause more problems than it actually solves.
Hacks should always be a last resort, not something you turn to at the
first sign of a bug. It's always better if you can resolve the issue at
source, instead of throwing random hacks at it until it's patched.
I don't think anybody suggested to do such things.
FWIW: a width or a height could fix the issue as well, but IMO if it is a
fix it is a hack.
As a side note, I prefer to use zoom to give layout to an element over
other properties as it clearly indicates in the stylesheet the reason why it
is there; for the same reason, if I was using width for example, I'd go
with *width...
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