RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Thierry Koblentz]

> >> And the node looks like this:
> >>
> >> !!main_content!!
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
> > maincontent.firstChild.data="Hello World!";
> >
> 
> That is not changing the content of the div tag,
> or anything on the screen.

It should. What happens when you run the following in the Firebug console?

$('newsnode').firstChild.data="Hello World!";


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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Skip Evans]

Thierry Koblentz wrote:

And the node looks like this:

!!main_content!!


Try this:

var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
maincontent.firstChild.data="Hello World!";



That is not changing the content of the div tag, 
or anything on the screen.



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RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Thierry Koblentz]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Skip Evans
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really
> standard, and not the best way to go. Was not
> aware of that and from the doc you send am now
> working on this:
> 
> var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
> maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret;
> 
> And the node looks like this:
> 
> !!main_content!!

Try this:

var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
maincontent.firstChild.data="Hello World!";


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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Jason Ray]

This isn't necessarily answering your question, but in the interest of
standards I thought I should point out that your table is not well formed.
There are header ( and ), body (), and footer ()
elements that you can and should use, as well as a caption (optional).

Your table should look something like this:


Description of the Table

  
 
 Header
 
  
  
 
 stuff
 the most stuff
 stuff
 
  
  

 footer
 
  


Cheers,
Jason

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Skip Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the
> best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now
> working on this:
>
> var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
> maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret;
>
> And the node looks like this:
>
> !!main_content!!
>
> But this is not working. I guess the node itself is not the first node?
> Will keep working at it, but any hint would sure be appreciated.
>
> Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder value replaced via PHP with
> the initial content on page load.
>
> Thanks!
> Skip
>
>
> Thierry Koblentz wrote:
>
>>
>> Did you try without using innerHTML?
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Skip Evans]

Hey all,

I got a little further with the following:

var ret=serverFunction(url);
var newsnode=document.getElementById('newsnode');
while(newsnode.firstChild)
newsnode.removeChild(newsnode.firstChild);
var txt = document.createTextNode(ret);
newsnode.appendChild(txt);

1) I got the completed formatted HTML page back 
from serverFunction in the variable ret.


2) Then I cleared out all the child nodes in the 

3) Created a text node

4) Appended the new text to the node.

Except, as those of you more experienced than I 
already knew, the HTML was not formatted.


I guess that's why some people still prefer innerHTML?

And I guess the only alternative is to create each 
element, including tags like , , etc?


So is this common? Format the whole page via JS code?

Yikes!

Thanks for any advice or comments,
Skip

Skip Evans wrote:

Hey,

I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the 
best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now 
working on this:


var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret;

And the node looks like this:

!!main_content!!

But this is not working. I guess the node itself is not the first node? 
Will keep working at it, but any hint would sure be appreciated.


Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder value replaced via PHP 
with the initial content on page load.


Thanks!
Skip


Thierry Koblentz wrote:


Did you try without using innerHTML?
http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html






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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Skip Evans]

Hey,

I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really 
standard, and not the best way to go. Was not 
aware of that and from the doc you send am now 
working on this:


var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret;

And the node looks like this:

!!main_content!!

But this is not working. I guess the node itself 
is not the first node? Will keep working at it, 
but any hint would sure be appreciated.


Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder 
value replaced via PHP with the initial content on 
page load.


Thanks!
Skip


Thierry Koblentz wrote:


Did you try without using innerHTML?
http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html




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RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Thierry Koblentz]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Skip Evans
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:41 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I have a table set up with a main content cell in
> the center column of three, basically like this:
> 
> 
>   
>   header
>   
> 
>   
>   stuff
>   the most stuff
>   stuff
>   
> 
>   
>   footer
>   
> 
> 
> On the server side I build a content page and user
> innerHMTL=content;

Did you try without using innerHTML?
http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html


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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[jen]

An  is definitely not for marking up the company logo. A logo in  
a banner would go in a div, .  is reserved for the  
semantically correct information for the main heading. Alistapart  
must have it wrong. Actually, looking through their code, they do  
appear to have it wrong. The  tags are odd. When in doubt, see  
what Dan Cederholm at simplebits.com does, or the Happy Cog folks  
( > ). They've never steered me wrong.


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RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Thierry Koblentz]

>> For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a
. 
>> I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared
to using a html image tag? 
>> I believe a  is more semantically correct however I'd be interested
in seeing 
>> what other people on this list think.
>
> My take is that only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the
h1. As you move through the site, 
> the h1 should shift to the more specific top heading on the page - on a
category/index page it would be that 
> category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on
the content.

fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no cover.
People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the home page.


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RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Thierry Koblentz]

> I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here.
> This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/?p=5
> Please follow the link provided in there to W3C site which mentions what <
h1 > is there for.

It's almost Friday, so here goes ;)

I may be wrong, but with the millions of web sites out there
identity/branding is a big deal. If I consider the name of the site being
the most important piece of information in the document, then I have no
problem putting it in a H1.

As a side note, the URL you posted links to a document that does not mention
your company/site name which is not in the TITLE element either, so I think
this explains our different stances ;-)


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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Ben Buchanan]

>
> For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a .
> I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
> using a html image tag? I believe a  is more semantically correct
> however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think.
>

My take is that only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the
h1. As you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific
top heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that
category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on the
content.

On these other pages the logo/name just goes in a div, usually with a
strong. That way, you build a logical structure across the site. Each page
will have a logical h1.

That's the ideal of course. If your system doesn't allow for that sort of
thing, having the logo as the h1 on every page isn't the end of the world,
although you really need to make sure your title and h2 combination is
accurate to make up for it :)

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Skip Evans]

Hey,

We tried that just before you sent the message 
through. Same results.


Skip

Adam Martin wrote:

Sorry pushed return to quickly

#footer {
  clear: both;
}
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey all,

I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of
three, basically like this:


   
   header
   

   
   stuff
   the most stuff
   stuff
   

   
   footer
   


On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content;

..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled "the most
stuff".

The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more
content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main
content row.

This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has
the problem on both Linux and Windows.

Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Adam Martin]

Sorry pushed return to quickly

#footer {
  clear: both;
}
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of
> three, basically like this:
>
> 
>
>header
>
>
>
>stuff
>the most stuff
>stuff
>
>
>
>footer
>
> 
>
> On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content;
>
> ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled "the most
> stuff".
>
> The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more
> content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main
> content row.
>
> This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has
> the problem on both Linux and Windows.
>
> Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
> --
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> Big Sky Penguin, LLC
> 503 S Baldwin St, #1
> Madison, WI 53703
> 608-250-2720
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Adam Martin]

Just put a clear both on the footer,

i.e

#footer {

}

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of
> three, basically like this:
>
> 
>
>header
>
>
>
>stuff
>the most stuff
>stuff
>
>
>
>footer
>
> 
>
> On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content;
>
> ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled "the most
> stuff".
>
> The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more
> content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main
> content row.
>
> This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has
> the problem on both Linux and Windows.
>
> Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
> --
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> Big Sky Penguin, LLC
> 503 S Baldwin St, #1
> Madison, WI 53703
> 608-250-2720
> http://bigskypenguin.com
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[WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF

[Skip Evans]

Hey all,

I have a table set up with a main content cell in 
the center column of three, basically like this:




header



stuff
the most stuff
stuff



footer



On the server side I build a content page and user 
innerHMTL=content;


..in JS code to insert the content into the column 
labeled "the most stuff".


The problem is when that column has less content, 
and then shifts to more content the latter part of 
the content runs over the footer below the main 
content row.


This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows 
works fine. Firefox has the problem on both Linux 
and Windows.


Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
--
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503 S Baldwin St, #1
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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Jason Grant]

I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here.
This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/?p=5
Please follow the link provided in there to W3C site which mentions what <
h1 > is there for.

Kind regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com --> see also here where < h1 > appears on the page and how
logo is done.

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Chris Pearce <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Thanks for all the feedback regarding this.
>
>
>
> I'm actually beginning to think an html image tag would be better suited to
> mark-up a company logo and reserving the  for the main page title, this
> seems to make more sense to me after giving it more thought. Also most of
> the sites I build use CMS's and clients will go ahead and use a  anyway
> for the top level heading in the editable area therefore the logical order
> of headers is broken. At the end of the day semantics means a lot more to me
> than SEO.
>
>
>
> On a side note I find I have to insert an image tag (for the logo) for the
> print version as most clients aren't happy about showing plain text from the
>  as we all know that printing background images is turned off by
> default.
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Pearce
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Subject:* [WSG] Marking up company logo
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a .
> I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
> using a html image tag? I believe a  is more semantically correct
> however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Chris Pearce]

Thanks for all the feedback regarding this.

I'm actually beginning to think an html image tag would be better suited to 
mark-up a company logo and reserving the  for the main page title, this 
seems to make more sense to me after giving it more thought. Also most of the 
sites I build use CMS's and clients will go ahead and use a  anyway for the 
top level heading in the editable area therefore the logical order of headers 
is broken. At the end of the day semantics means a lot more to me than SEO.

On a side note I find I have to insert an image tag (for the logo) for the 
print version as most clients aren't happy about showing plain text from the 
 as we all know that printing background images is turned off by default.

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM
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Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo

Hi,

For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a . I 
just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to 
using a html image tag? I believe a  is more semantically correct however 
I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think.

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RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Elizabeth Spiegel]

Hi Chris

 

I'm not convinced that  is semantically correct for a logo (or even
banner).  I would normally expect the  to be similar to the  - it
indicates what the whole page is about (but not the whole site).

 

 

Elizabeth Spiegel

Web editing

topleft

0409 986 158

GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001

www.spiegelweb.com.au

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a . I
just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
using a html image tag? I believe a  is more semantically correct
however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think.

 

Cheers

 

 


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[WSG] Re: Marking up company logo

[roxanne sutton]

There are several things to consider for the logo markup
1. it is a heading semantically, and if the image was not present, it  
would be a top level heading  as far as the information it provides
2. Search Engines only recognize/ rank the  and  headings  
(currently).
3. The older systems of using a logo image in the  as a background  
- are also not SEO friendly, either. So...


If you want an accessible, browser friendly and "findable" website,  
there is the system that www.alistapart.com is now using for their logo.
Using an  with an added id. sample: . This will  
distinguish it from the page titles, which are also  and keep it  
in heading order semantically. Also note, keep the image in the markup.



Roxanne Sutton




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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Adam Martin]

I intend too - as of tomorrow I am officially unemployed and working on 
launching my new business www.internetconsultants.com.au (site not even 
close too completion).


Mark Harris wrote:

Adam Martin wrote:



I think if people start think "UO" rather than "SEO" then the answers 
to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just 
the other day - UO = user optimisation.




How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry 
around that!


;-)

cheers

mark


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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Mark Harris]

Adam Martin wrote:



I think if people start think "UO" rather than "SEO" then the answers to 
most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the 
other day - UO = user optimisation.




How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around 
that!


;-)

cheers

mark


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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Matt Fellows]

>> Out of curiosity, is a logo  at the top of the page more semantically
>> correct when wrapped in a  than when it's just on it's own (ie. not
>> wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' )?

Easy! A  tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text.  If it is
only holding an image, then there is no need for the surrounding 
tag. Some people (including myself)  feel uncomfortable with the 
floating by itself, so wrapping it in a  or something
 is a nice alternative.

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Matt Fellows
http://www.onegeek.com.au/


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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Adam Martin]

I would personally not be using a p tag too hold the logo? Why would you 
want too? you can position as you want without the need for extra 
markup. height="300px" id="logo" /> - that makes it pretty obvious. of course if 
you only have 1 image in the header then you don't need the id either. 
Semantically I don't think it needs to be in any other tags at all.


I think if people start think "UO" rather than "SEO" then the answers to 
most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the 
other day - UO = user optimisation.


Cheers
Adam



Rick Lecoat wrote:

On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:


We used to have lots of logos in s too, and after a thorough SEO
discussion we changed that to a .


Out of curiosity, is a logo  at the top of the page more 
semantically correct when wrapped in a  than when it's just on it's 
own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' )?


--
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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Rick Lecoat]

On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:


We used to have lots of logos in s too, and after a thorough SEO
discussion we changed that to a .


Out of curiosity, is a logo  at the top of the page more  
semantically correct when wrapped in a  than when it's just on it's  
own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' )?


--
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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

[Anton Babushkin]

I concur.

Having it as a  is a much better way of dealing with it rather than
having it as an image or .

To me its less about SEO and much more about usability. People don't really
care about your company, they're simply after the major headlines. Having a
company logo take up the majority of the real-estate is less user-friendly
and much more spammy. Maybe I am just a minimalist.


On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The H1 should be used for the most important heading, usually the name
> of the page
>
> I second that.
>
> We used to have lots of logos in s too, and after a thorough SEO
> discussion we changed that to a .
>
> The  now holds the page title.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jens
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