Re: [WSG] Table Cells and display: block
Do you have a little more context maybe? What is it you're trying to do? Sounds a bit odd to display a table cell as a block tbh. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Anthony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried Google and the archives but no luck I have an issue with IE not applying display:block to table elements: tr, td, tr etc Anyone see this before and know a work around ? Tony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
How about:
titleThe Times/title
h1Homepage/h1
h2There's water on mars/h2
titleThe Times/title
h1Financial stuff/h1
h2Redmond stock going down further/h2
etc...
Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best?
And if so, where?
Matijs
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agree... but if you are wrapping it in a block element so that you can
position it etc... then it is easier just to change its properties via css
to act like a block element. No need for extra markup.
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
But, CSS changes presentation - displaying something as block doesn't
stop it being an inline element, just it's presentation.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 11:18 pm, Adam Martin wrote:
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes that. An
inline element does not have to be contained in a block level element at
all!
img {
display: block
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
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From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only
holding an image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag.
--Matt
... see what www.alistapart.com is now using --Roxanne
... beginning to think [a plain] html image tag would be better suited
to mark-up a company logo --Chris
... I already blogged that. --Jason
... only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As
you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top
heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that
category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on
the content. --Ben
... fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no
cover. People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the
home page. --Thierry
... etc.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this ... but img is an inline
element.
So, it has to be contained in a block-level element, like p, h#, div,
etc.
Kurtis Kroon
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Re: [WSG] Table Cells and display: block
I think you need to use a class that breaks the spaces...
table#cleanTable {
border-collapse:collapse;
}
Michael
Matijs wrote:
Do you have a little more context maybe? What is it you're trying to
do? Sounds a bit odd to display a table cell as a block tbh.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Anthony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've tried Google and the archives but no luck
I have an issue with IE not applying display:block to table
elements: tr,
td, tr etc
Anyone see this before and know a work around ?
Tony
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Re: [WSG] Table Cells and display: block
Bar charts, I have a table of data and I would like to use CSS to manipulate it. FF and Safari have no problem on Mac/Win just IE doesn't alter the display properties of TDs Replies from the internal list suggest its another IE Bug Do you have a little more context maybe? What is it you're trying to do? Sounds a bit odd to display a table cell as a block tbh. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Anthony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried Google and the archives but no luck I have an issue with IE not applying display:block to table elements: tr, td, tr etc -- Anthony Green Client Side Developer Future Media Technology for BBC Audio Music Interactive http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AJAX short courses london
Oh yes, I'm not bothered about Accredations really. More concerned about the quality of the course and most employers I've come across are more concerned with your experience. Cheers again! 2008/6/3 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, Sorry, I lost this thread. Perhaps you are right about the online training with Video. I just find it easier to have someone to ask face to face - you learn quicker that way. I'll look into this IRC thingo, never actually taken a look. Thanks for your replies. Paul 2008/6/3 Jennie K [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are probably right - it's just some employers demand accreditation - although I am in Aus not UK (so Í'm sure it's different here). I learnt most of my skills on the job and from books but ended up getting some kind of accreditation as well. Also just wanted to let you know its $50 US dollars not pounds - so you might find it is only 25 UK pounds On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I've always learnt things from either books or from chatting with other developers in IRC (there are no doubt some ajax specific groups - I recommend #jquery for the jQuery library which is my particular ajax weapon of choice). Accreditations are definitely not required in the web development world - the worst developers I've interviewed are always the ones with accreditations whereas the best have just taught themselves or been taught by their peers! Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so where else can you be taught in bed for £50* (*stop sniggering in the back there!) and as for accreditation, some of my best developers were not accredited and their experience counted for much more than any course could provide. They are much better at independent thinking, self-study for things they need to know more about, and less likely to get stuck in a conceptual rut. Joe On May 30 2008, at 22:39, James Jeffery wrote: Only problem with the Lynda.com DVDs is sometimes they can be outdated. Although, this one is £50 and looks good. I might actually buy this, i like watching the movies when in bed. http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=480 On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I have rarely seen any course in web technologies that you couldn't get further for much less money with either a video tutorial from places like lynda.com or from good how to books from great publishers like new riders, friends of ed, o'reilleys, etc. you can study at your own pace, replay and review difficult bits, skip over others, and the resource stays with you.. On May 27 2008, at 05:28, Jennie K wrote: If you are not after accreditation try this website www.lynda.com - it's all online and you study at your own pace. I've recommended the training to numerous people and they have all said it is of good quality. You can try some of the free courses before committing - there are also books and cds if you don't like the online version. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I hope this is on topic. I'm trying to find a short course on AJAX in london and having troubles finding one that is of a reasonable price (IE- less than £300 for a half day). Could anyone recommend me one or possibly a good school to look into? Thanks for any help, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines:
Re: [WSG] AJAX short courses london
Hi all, Sorry, I lost this thread. Perhaps you are right about the online training with Video. I just find it easier to have someone to ask face to face - you learn quicker that way. I'll look into this IRC thingo, never actually taken a look. Thanks for your replies. Paul 2008/6/3 Jennie K [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are probably right - it's just some employers demand accreditation - although I am in Aus not UK (so Í'm sure it's different here). I learnt most of my skills on the job and from books but ended up getting some kind of accreditation as well. Also just wanted to let you know its $50 US dollars not pounds - so you might find it is only 25 UK pounds On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I've always learnt things from either books or from chatting with other developers in IRC (there are no doubt some ajax specific groups - I recommend #jquery for the jQuery library which is my particular ajax weapon of choice). Accreditations are definitely not required in the web development world - the worst developers I've interviewed are always the ones with accreditations whereas the best have just taught themselves or been taught by their peers! Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so where else can you be taught in bed for £50* (*stop sniggering in the back there!) and as for accreditation, some of my best developers were not accredited and their experience counted for much more than any course could provide. They are much better at independent thinking, self-study for things they need to know more about, and less likely to get stuck in a conceptual rut. Joe On May 30 2008, at 22:39, James Jeffery wrote: Only problem with the Lynda.com DVDs is sometimes they can be outdated. Although, this one is £50 and looks good. I might actually buy this, i like watching the movies when in bed. http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=480 On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I have rarely seen any course in web technologies that you couldn't get further for much less money with either a video tutorial from places like lynda.com or from good how to books from great publishers like new riders, friends of ed, o'reilleys, etc. you can study at your own pace, replay and review difficult bits, skip over others, and the resource stays with you.. On May 27 2008, at 05:28, Jennie K wrote: If you are not after accreditation try this website www.lynda.com - it's all online and you study at your own pace. I've recommended the training to numerous people and they have all said it is of good quality. You can try some of the free courses before committing - there are also books and cds if you don't like the online version. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I hope this is on topic. I'm trying to find a short course on AJAX in london and having troubles finding one that is of a reasonable price (IE- less than £300 for a half day). Could anyone recommend me one or possibly a good school to look into? Thanks for any help, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.typingthevoid.com www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: How about: titleThe Times/title h1Homepage/h1 h2There's water on mars/h2 titleThe Times/title h1Financial stuff/h1 h2Redmond stock going down further/h2 etc... Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best? And if so, where? My understanding of the title tag is that it is the title of the page, not the name of the site, and ideally every page should have a different title (at least from an SEO point of view) appropriate to its content -- so the above examples are not ideal IMHO. Re. logos as background images, that leaves anyone viewing the page without styles turned on out in the cold as far as seeing the company logo is concerned. Dan Cederholm uses a method whereby the logo is both a background image *and* a regular img tag, depending on whether you have styles on or off. That's my preferred technique. I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the page's own title. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
My 2 pence ... titlePage title - Site title/title div id=brand pimg alt=Site title ... //p /div div id=content h1Page Title/h1 ... /div div id=search h1Search/h1 form ... /div div id=nav h1Navigation/h1 ul ... /div 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: How about: titleThe Times/title h1Homepage/h1 h2There's water on mars/h2 titleThe Times/title h1Financial stuff/h1 h2Redmond stock going down further/h2 etc... Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best? And if so, where? My understanding of the title tag is that it is the title of the page, not the name of the site, and ideally every page should have a different title (at least from an SEO point of view) appropriate to its content -- so the above examples are not ideal IMHO. Re. logos as background images, that leaves anyone viewing the page without styles turned on out in the cold as far as seeing the company logo is concerned. Dan Cederholm uses a method whereby the logo is both a background image *and* a regular img tag, depending on whether you have styles on or off. That's my preferred technique. I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the page's own title. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
To throw another question in here, should the page title therefore be different to the main heading of the page? I thought the content in the page title should be as specific as possible for SEO, including the heirarchy? So, for example titleSite title - Section Title - Page title/title And h1Page title, section title or Logo?/h1 Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the title and main heading? Cheers 2008/6/3 Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 2 pence ... titlePage title - Site title/title div id=brand pimg alt=Site title ... //p /div div id=content h1Page Title/h1 ... /div div id=search h1Search/h1 form ... /div div id=nav h1Navigation/h1 ul ... /div 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: How about: titleThe Times/title h1Homepage/h1 h2There's water on mars/h2 titleThe Times/title h1Financial stuff/h1 h2Redmond stock going down further/h2 etc... Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best? And if so, where? My understanding of the title tag is that it is the title of the page, not the name of the site, and ideally every page should have a different title (at least from an SEO point of view) appropriate to its content -- so the above examples are not ideal IMHO. Re. logos as background images, that leaves anyone viewing the page without styles turned on out in the cold as far as seeing the company logo is concerned. Dan Cederholm uses a method whereby the logo is both a background image *and* a regular img tag, depending on whether you have styles on or off. That's my preferred technique. I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the page's own title. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
For the title you should really switch it around so that it is more specific to the page, and will be much better for SEO purposes. titlePage title - Section Title - Site title/title For the Logo h1 aspect, I would personally use the gilder/levin image replacement technique, using within this the Page title - Section Title - Site title combination within a h1 tag. This way you get a fancy logo, plus the benefits of you keyword rich Page title - Section Title - Site title combination to help boost your on-site SEO. Stew 2008/6/3 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To throw another question in here, should the page title therefore be different to the main heading of the page? I thought the content in the page title should be as specific as possible for SEO, including the heirarchy? So, for example titleSite title - Section Title - Page title/title And h1Page title, section title or Logo?/h1 Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the title and main heading? Cheers 2008/6/3 Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 2 pence ... titlePage title - Site title/title div id=brand pimg alt=Site title ... //p /div div id=content h1Page Title/h1 ... /div div id=search h1Search/h1 form ... /div div id=nav h1Navigation/h1 ul ... /div 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: How about: titleThe Times/title h1Homepage/h1 h2There's water on mars/h2 titleThe Times/title h1Financial stuff/h1 h2Redmond stock going down further/h2 etc... Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best? And if so, where? My understanding of the title tag is that it is the title of the page, not the name of the site, and ideally every page should have a different title (at least from an SEO point of view) appropriate to its content -- so the above examples are not ideal IMHO. Re. logos as background images, that leaves anyone viewing the page without styles turned on out in the cold as far as seeing the company logo is concerned. Dan Cederholm uses a method whereby the logo is both a background image *and* a regular img tag, depending on whether you have styles on or off. That's my preferred technique. I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the page's own title. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:29, Paul Collins wrote: Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the title and main heading? I would think that this starts to enter the realm of information that is machine-read vs that which is human-read. When I open a web page I don't tend to look much at the browser's title bar; I look at the page content itself. (The title bar comes more into play when I'm switching between tabs). Google, on the other hand, pays a great deal of attention to the title bar -- or, rather, the title tag that populates it. It also looks at the page content as well, of course. I think that as long as you avoid excessive duplication (ie. start keyword stuffing) there is no problem having some duplication of content between your title and main heading; humans and machines will each view both blocks of information to some degree, but will place different emphasis on one or the other. I would guess that screen readers will fall somewhere between the two in terms of how useful they find title vs. the page's main heading. But that's pure supposition, so don't take my word for it. Plenty of very knowledgeable people on this list can fill in those blanks. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I do feel this is all rather subjective and depends on what you're building, that is until you consider SEO; which I feel flies in the face of Web Standards 2008/6/3 Stewart Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the title you should really switch it around so that it is more specific to the page, and will be much better for SEO purposes. titlePage title - Section Title - Site title/title For the Logo h1 aspect, I would personally use the gilder/levin image replacement technique, using within this the Page title - Section Title - Site title combination within a h1 tag. This way you get a fancy logo, plus the benefits of you keyword rich Page title - Section Title - Site title combination to help boost your on-site SEO. Stew 2008/6/3 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To throw another question in here, should the page title therefore be different to the main heading of the page? I thought the content in the page title should be as specific as possible for SEO, including the heirarchy? So, for example titleSite title - Section Title - Page title/title And h1Page title, section title or Logo?/h1 Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the title and main heading? Cheers 2008/6/3 Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 2 pence ... titlePage title - Site title/title div id=brand pimg alt=Site title ... //p /div div id=content h1Page Title/h1 ... /div div id=search h1Search/h1 form ... /div div id=nav h1Navigation/h1 ul ... /div 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: How about: titleThe Times/title h1Homepage/h1 h2There's water on mars/h2 titleThe Times/title h1Financial stuff/h1 h2Redmond stock going down further/h2 etc... Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best? And if so, where? My understanding of the title tag is that it is the title of the page, not the name of the site, and ideally every page should have a different title (at least from an SEO point of view) appropriate to its content -- so the above examples are not ideal IMHO. Re. logos as background images, that leaves anyone viewing the page without styles turned on out in the cold as far as seeing the company logo is concerned. Dan Cederholm uses a method whereby the logo is both a background image *and* a regular img tag, depending on whether you have styles on or off. That's my preferred technique. I just put the logo image in a div id=logo and keep the H1 for the page's own title. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:55, Darren West wrote: I do feel this is all rather subjective and depends on what you're building, that is until you consider SEO; which I feel flies in the face of Web Standards I agree that much of this stuff is, inevitably, subjective. Web standards gives us a good framework to work to, but within that there are always numerous ways to skin the same cat (yes, it's a very unlucky cat). Re. SEO, I think that it can work just fine alongside web standards -- in moderation; as soon as you get too SEO-crazed you risk starting to erode the web standards 'purity' (if that doesn't sound too fascist) in order to accommodate some pro-Google trick or another. The root of Google's webmaster guidelines can be summarised as just create your page for humans to read without difficulty and don't obsess about trying to manipulate our search engine, and really that's not so far from web standards, is it? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
To be clear, my statement, which was quite sweeping, was meant to express that when a site is built for computers as opposed to humans then that to me flies in the face of Web Standards. So I agree :-) 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:55, Darren West wrote: I do feel this is all rather subjective and depends on what you're building, that is until you consider SEO; which I feel flies in the face of Web Standards I agree that much of this stuff is, inevitably, subjective. Web standards gives us a good framework to work to, but within that there are always numerous ways to skin the same cat (yes, it's a very unlucky cat). Re. SEO, I think that it can work just fine alongside web standards -- in moderation; as soon as you get too SEO-crazed you risk starting to erode the web standards 'purity' (if that doesn't sound too fascist) in order to accommodate some pro-Google trick or another. The root of Google's webmaster guidelines can be summarised as just create your page for humans to read without difficulty and don't obsess about trying to manipulate our search engine, and really that's not so far from web standards, is it? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Job posting
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[WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
In Magento, they use address.../address for customer address. It lacks flexibility for styling as I can't have other html tags place inside the address tag. I wonder if there is a semantical way to do it and that it produces no validation error. Also, if any of you have started developing sites in Magento, do you know if I can incorporate Microformat hcard easily? Many thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
Hi Tee, In Magento, they use address.../address for customer address. afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible for the document itself (or a section of the document). It lacks flexibility for styling as I can't have other html tags place inside the address tag. I wonder if there is a semantical way to do it and that it produces no validation error. Also, if any of you have started developing sites in Magento, do you know if I can incorporate Microformat hcard easily? That's the way to go, but I don't know about Magento -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Hi Tee,
In Magento, they use
address.../address
for customer address.
afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of
information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible
for the document itself (or a section of the document).
It lacks flexibility for styling as I can't have other html tags place
inside the address tag. I wonder if there is a semantical way to do
it and that it produces no validation error. Also, if any of you have
started developing sites in Magento, do you know if I can incorporate
Microformat hcard easily?
That's the way to go, but I don't know about Magento
Hi Tee,
under
app/design/frontend/default/default/template/customer/address.phtml you
can use this code inplace of where it says 'address../address' (line
30 or thereabouts).
div class=vcard
div class=n
span class=given-name?php echo
$_address-toString({{firstname}}); ?/span
span class=family-name?php echo
$_address-toString({{lastname}}); ?/span
/div
div class=adr
span class=street-address?php echo
$_address-toString({{street}}); ?/span
span class=locality?php echo
$_address-toString({{city}}); ?/spanbr /
span class=region?php echo
$_address-toString({{regionName}}); ?/span
span class=postal-code?php echo
$_address-toString({{postcode}}); ?/span
/div
div class=tel
T: span class=value?php echo
$_address-toString({{telephone}})); ?/span
/div
/div
It's not ideal, there might be some missing fields for example so it's
usually best to only write out the surrounding HTML when the variable is
present. There's a bunch of places where addresses appear aswell as this
but that don't give you an easy way of separating out the parts of the
address eg. book.phtml - for that file i just replaced address with
div class=adr.
Hope that gets you started
-Rob
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Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
There are no limitations with Magento when it comes to templates / layout etc. So you could easily implement hcard. Cheers Adam (www.tweakmag.com) tee wrote: In Magento, they use address.../address for customer address. It lacks flexibility for styling as I can't have other html tags place inside the address tag. I wonder if there is a semantical way to do it and that it produces no validation error. Also, if any of you have started developing sites in Magento, do you know if I can incorporate Microformat hcard easily? Many thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
Thierry
afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of
information as it is related to the people who maintain/are
responsible
for the document itself (or a section of the document).
It's a plain English but I read it many times, still I don't quite
understand what you meant by 'not supposed to contain this kind of
information as it is related to the people who maintain/are
responsible
for the document itself (or a section of the document).'
under app/design/frontend/default/default/template/customer/
address.phtml you can use this code inplace of where it says
'address../address' (line 30 or thereabouts).
Thanks Rob, for the example, I will try it out, however I don't think
this is the right file and suspect it's not used anywhere in the site,
because it has table markup. In the customer/my dashboard page, the
address section is pulled from 'customer/account/dashboard/
address.phtml' which is pulled from this ' ?php echo $this-
getPrimaryBillingAddressHtml() ?' and this ' ?php echo $this-
getPrimaryShippingAddressHtml() ?'. In the onepage checkout, there
is also an address section located in the 'progress.phtml', with this
code:
address?php echo $this-getShipping()-format('html') ?/
address. I look into the Mage folder, and the file I found that
maybe controlling the address globally is located in 'Mage/Customer/
etc/config.xml'.
So Adam, while it has no limitations changing template and layout (I
know first hand how much freedom Magento gives to web designer as I
have literally changing every line of html code in every phtml
file :), but this address thing, I have not yet figured out and can't
find a way to edit it at all.
Magento is really great and they have done a terrific job, I do
thinkt, the 'web standard' and 'semantic' part fall short, but as a
user, I don't feel I can't expect much from them to deliver a 'much
better' web standard compliant software - I wanted to use 'perfect'
this word, but reminded myself there isn't a 'perfect' web standard
solution but a good/best practise :)
tee
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Re: [WSG] Job posting
Thanks for the posting. Next time include the location, and are they looking for only British passport holders? For anyone wondering, it's in London. Hope this is not OT! My parent company, Hoop Associates, are looking for a standards-savvy Digital Project Manager and a LAMP Web Developer to complement our expanding digital team. Full details here: http://www.thisishoop.com/careers Thank You == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:49 PM, tee wrote:
Thierry
afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of
information as it is related to the people who maintain/are
responsible
for the document itself (or a section of the document).
It's a plain English but I read it many times, still I don't quite
understand what you meant by 'not supposed to contain this kind of
I look into the Mage folder, and the file I found that maybe
controlling the address globally is located in 'Mage/Customer/etc/
config.xml'.
Forgot to add, strictly speaking, that address is xml format, not html
address tag correct?
here is the code:
html translate=title module=customer
titleHTML/title
htmlEscapetrue/htmlEscape
defaultFormat![CDATA[
{{var firstname}} {{var lastname}}br/
{{depend company}}{{var company}}br /{{/depend}}
{{var street1}}br /
{{depend street2}}{{var street2}}br /{{/depend}}
{{depend city}}{{var city}}, {{/depend}}{{depend postcode}}{{var
postcode}}, {{/depend}}{{var region}}br/
{{var country}}br/
{{depend telephone}}Tel: {{var telephone}}{{/depend}}
{{depend fax}}br/F: {{var fax}}{{/depend}}
]]/defaultFormat
I found this 'How to add style to XML'in W3C site.
http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML
tee
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RE: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard Thierry afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible for the document itself (or a section of the document). It's a plain English but I read it many times, still I don't quite understand what you meant by 'not supposed to contain this kind of information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible for the document itself (or a section of the document).' From: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Background-position in percentage
I've just spent a bit of time looking at how background-position works when expressed as a percentage: background-position: 90%; and I'm wondering why it works the way it does. Here's the best way I can describe the effect of (90%, x-axis) positioning with percentages: to position the image such that the point 90% across the image is aligned with the point 90% across the element. There's something rather counter-intuitive about that (it's even hard to describe!), and I've tried to explain it in teaching people about CSS and found that people are rather baffled by it. Does anyone know why it was created that way, and/or can you tell me if there's some very useful thing this rule allows you to do? That is, as opposed to a simpler rule like image is offset that amount to the left which is what I assumed when I first came across it. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background-position in percentage
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:01 AM, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just spent a bit of time looking at how background-position works when expressed as a percentage: background-position: 90%; and I'm wondering why it works the way it does. Here's the best way I can describe the effect of (90%, x-axis) positioning with percentages: to position the image such that the point 90% across the image is aligned with the point 90% across the element. Have you read specs? http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-background-position There's something rather counter-intuitive about that (it's even hard to describe!), and I've tried to explain it in teaching people about CSS and found that people are rather baffled by it. Does anyone know why it was created that way, and/or can you tell me if there's some very useful thing this rule allows you to do? That is, as opposed to a simpler rule like image is offset that amount to the left which is what I assumed when I first came across it. Can you provide other way to align right edge of background image with right edge of box? To center background image? -- Алексей *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Background-position in percentage
Does anyone know why [bg image positioning] was created that way, and/or can you tell me if there's some very useful thing this rule allows you to do? As Alex pointed out this is the way to use if you want to right-align or bottom-align a bg image. Also for horizontal/vertical centering this is an easy way to go. I agree with you that the way it works might seem strange at first but if it wasn't it wouldn't work as outlined above. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
