[WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation
A dear client is holding us over a barrel. Does anyone have some user test data/video (that they are willing to share) that shows that forcing a popup window for external links is a bad idea? ~ brad pollard 02 9699 7145 Andrew Cunningham wrote: Use amp; nbsp; lt; and gt; All other characters should be actual characters. Use a character encoding that contains all the characters you require. Use of NCRs and other entities should be rare occurances for language challenged environments. Andrew kevin_erickson wrote: Hello, I am looking for advice on if the best way to code for special characters is to use the actual character or the attribute value or the alt code? i.e. for the ampersand should one use or amp;? Does it matter? I know that Dreamweaver automates some of this but what is the best practice? Thank you kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Brad, I don't have any test data that shows this, however, below are a two articles from Digital Web Magazine that mention the topic. I'm also fairly sure that AGIMO has some research on the topic but I couldn't find it this afternoon. You could also check out the Vision Australia website (http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/). http://www.digital-web.com/articles/accessible_by_design/ Avoid using links that create a new browser window. If you do use them, warn users. Users may not be aware of the shift in their system's focus. It may disorient or confuse them. This is also a usability issue since users can't use the Back button to navigate back and revisit pages. It's easy to accidentally close the wrong window and lose what you want to access. Add a text warning message or place a small icon (with a warning in the ALT attribute) before links that will spawn a new window. Avoid pop-up windows, when possible. This has problems similar to creating a new window, but also has JavaScript complications. Access to the pop-up should be device independent. More importantly, make the content in the pop-up accessible if JavaScript is turned off. http://www.digital-web.com/articles/designer_user_partnership/ The other area designers overstep is in controlling the user environment. The Web behaves in ways that are predictable to users. For example, when a user clicks a link, the browser requests the page from the Web server, the Web server sends the page to the browser, and the Web browser renders the page. Sometimes designers get involved in this transaction by moving the cursor directly to the search input field or opening links in a new window. We, as designers, use these methods because we want to be helpful. We assume that most users will want to use the search feature on arrival; to make things easier, we put the cursor in the search input field. We assume that most users will want to keep in contact with our site while exploring other sites; to make things easier, we open external links in a new window. But sometimes these helpful interventions wind up causing usability problems because they violate expectations. People expect to begin listening to or tabbing through a Web page from its beginning and will be disoriented if the cursor focus is not at the top of the page. People expect to use the Back button to retrace their navigation path and will not be able to return to the originating site if it is not in the window history. While these actions may be helpful to some, they will create usability problems for others. Moving the cursor and opening a new window are functions of the user environment and should be performed by the user. Cheers, Nate From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Pollard Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 16:44 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation A dear client is holding us over a barrel. Does anyone have some user test data/video (that they are willing to share) that shows that forcing a popup window for external links is a bad idea? ~ brad pollard 02 9699 7145 IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Privacy Hotline of the Australian Taxation Office, telephone 13 28 69 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: Multiple Language Domains
Hi Jay, Sorry I meant that our system is currently putting the xml statement before the doctype and so causing the quirks mode problem, and we cant figure out why as it is not doing it on all pages. We were aware of this problem and its on my fix list in fact i am working on it now :) Would be good to know if you can still see the problem on the website, and if so on which pages as currently there is no quirks mode at this end now, but it appears to show up outside our network. Feel free to email me off list. thanks for all the help Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
On 17 Jun 2008, at 23:46, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Beyond the inbuilt entities I tend to just use the characters directly in the markup and specify UTF-8 encoding. Has been working reasonably well in all modern browsers. On 18 Jun 2008, at 00:19, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Use amp; nbsp; lt; and gt; All other characters should be actual characters. So, that would seem to be the consensus. Well, how fascinating; you learn something new every day on this list, and in this case it's making me feel really stupid because I've been encoding every non-standard character. Admittedly I'm using Coda to write my markup and that app has a vry handy 'Encode entities' function that, when combined with a keyboard shortcut, simplifies it enormously. But it seems that maybe I'm just making unnecessary work for myself. I've been doing it that way thus far because I learned (during my 'teach yourself hand-written html/css' stage) that it was the 'correct' way to do it. Is this a case where the correct way is actually unnecessary? So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Will it validate? (I normally use an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype). -- Rick Lecoat www.sharkattack.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
Rick Lecoat So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Make sure that your whole environment is UTF-8 (your code editor, any database input forms /admin page you may have, etc). Then yes, it should all work fine. Will it validate? (I normally use an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype). Yes. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
It will replace, probably portable firefox2 an option to use both. Sundar On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Sundar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
It will replace it, unless you backup your Firefox 2 client and move it somewhere where Firefox 3 cannot get to it. /Svip 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
it will replace your version of Firefox. But you can now get the official release of FF3! Jonathan On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Paul, When you start the installation you need to make the Custom setup and change the install directory, but you will need to create a new shortcut for the old version of FF. Regards, Léo 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -- []´s Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19) 9111-2239 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3
On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer pages for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as you wish. The particulars depend on your environment. Linux Mac Win don't all work exactly the same. Don't install as replacement before checking if extensions you depend on are ready for it. -- Where were you when I laid the earth's foudation?Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
if you have a mac you can rename it firefox3 so you can run it side by side, but your extensions might get confused... On Jun 18, 2008, at 13:17, Paul Collins wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Heres a good solution (it works on my pc) to keep both Firefox 2 and 3 : http://blogs.cozi.com/tech/2008/04/multiple-firefo.html Multiple Firefox Profiles: Run Firefox 2 and 3 Side-By-Side, and More Best regards, Roberto Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Léo Siqueira Inviato: mercoledì 18 giugno 2008 14.41 A: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Oggetto: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Paul, When you start the installation you need to make the Custom setup and change the install directory, but you will need to create a new shortcut for the old version of FF. Regards, Léo 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -- []´s Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19) 9111-2239 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Firebug 1.1 works fine on firefox3. Jason Grant wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Fabio Espindula http://www.espindula.com/ User Interface Developer TownConnect Inc. www.townconnect.com http://www.townconnect.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
definitely a mac thing, not sharing libraries like windows dll hell... On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Hi That's not exactly right .. if you install v3 to a different location (tip: choose Custom install) then you can run either version from the relevant file location, but not at the same time. The only problem you will find is compatibility with some extensions when you run FF3. If you want to go back to FF2 for Firebug support then it will automatically re-enable it. At least that what it just did for me. Your profile will be shared between both versions as well. This is true for Linux versions as well - you can either install both versions using your distro's package manager or run it from the tarball. I doubt Mozilla would go down the path of IE - I'd be annoyed if I had to 'MultipleFF' as well, or run up a new virtual machine for every version... HTH James On Wednesday 18 June 2008 22:32:16 Jason Grant wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Multi level navigation!
Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new class for the inner navigation, that makes it valid, however it displays with a gap at the top of the inner navigation on IE. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? Cheers. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has said? Thanks. Kevin --- Original Message --- From:Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Wed 6/18/08 6:10 am To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subj:RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding Rick Lecoat So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Make sure that your whole environment is UTF-8 (your code editor, any database input forms /admin page you may have, etc). Then yes, it should all work fine. Will it validate? (I normally use an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype). Yes. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
James Ellis wrote: you can run either version from the relevant file location, but not at the same time. You can run any number of versions at the same time, but you have to use separate profiles - the profile can only be active in one instance at a time. You have to use the -no-remote command line switch (either on the command line or modify the shortcut) and use -P to specify the profile, like this: firefox.exe -no-remote -P default Will start a separate instance of Firefox with the default profile (if it's not already in use), then: firefox.exe -no-remote -P default30 Will start another separate instance with the default30 profile (assuming you've created it). The proviso is your 'main' version of Firefox needs to run without -no-remote if you want the desktop integration stuff to work properly, so you have to start that first. You can use the -ProfileManager switch to get the dialogue for creating new profiles the first time. Obviously, adjust all the above for file extensions and paths appropriate to your platform. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Multi level navigation!
I woulkd try to nmake it in DL DT DD and easier make levels. Ir not use the inside UL but add a class to the li style=margin-left:1em;a href=#Step 1: Front Cover/a/li That would validated the menu even strict james wrote: Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new class for the inner navigation, that makes it valid, however it displays with a gap at the top of the inner navigation on IE. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? Cheers. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Multi level navigation!
Hi, It is not valid because the inner ul needs to be contained in a li item of the outer ul. The only valid thing inside a ul tag is a li. If you surround the inner ul with a li with a class/id attached then you should be able to fiddle with that specific li in your CSS to sort out paddings/margins as your require. Hope that helps :-) J -Original Message- Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new class for the inner navigation, that makes it valid, however it displays with a gap at the top of the inner navigation on IE. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. I am using FireBug 1.2.0b2 with FF3. Works fine. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Multi level navigation!
Hi James, The sub UL should have an li wrapping it, that will make it validate. Like this: ul lia href=#Home/a /li lia href=#About Us/a /li lia href=#How to choose/a /li li ul lia href=#Step 1: Front Cover/a/li lia href=#Step 2: Type Style/a/li lia href=#Step 3: Optional Eulogy/a/li lia href=#Step 4: Verse or Prayer/a/li lia href=#Step 5: Border Options/a/li lia href=#Step 6: Place your order/a/li /ul /li lia href=#Price List/a/li lia href=#FAQ/a/li lia href=#Contact Us/a/li /ul Cheers, Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of james Sent: 18 June 2008 14:11 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Multi level navigation! Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new class for the inner navigation, that makes it valid, however it displays with a gap at the top of the inner navigation on IE. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? Cheers. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
Yes Patrick is correct. But that is the same with any character encoing, everything needs to match up. Different scripting modules throw in their own quirks into the mix. How easy it is, or how complex it is depends on how many languages and how many writing scripts you need to support. The more diverse the linguistic content, the more important it becomes to get the internationalization architecture right. To create a monolingual environment in unicode is fairly routine, just need to make sure everything is right at each step. A useful resource on migrating to unicode is available at http://www.w3.org/International/articles/unicode-migration/ Andrew On Wed, June 18, 2008 11:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has said? Thanks. Kevin --- Original Message --- From:Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Wed 6/18/08 6:10 am To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subj:RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding Rick Lecoat So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Make sure that your whole environment is UTF-8 (your code editor, any database input forms /admin page you may have, etc). Then yes, it should all work fine. Will it validate? (I normally use an xhtml 1.0 strict doctype). Yes. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Just check for Firebug at the Mozilla FF Add-On website, there´s a new version compatible with the FF3. Regards, Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19) 9111-2239 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Multi level navigation!
Thanks allot guys, missed it again. Cheers Darren Lovelock wrote: Hi James, The sub UL should have an li wrapping it, that will make it validate. Like this: ul lia href=#Home/a /li lia href=#About Us/a /li lia href=#How to choose/a /li li ul lia href=#Step 1: Front Cover/a/li lia href=#Step 2: Type Style/a/li lia href=#Step 3: Optional Eulogy/a/li lia href=#Step 4: Verse or Prayer/a/li lia href=#Step 5: Border Options/a/li lia href=#Step 6: Place your order/a/li /ul /li lia href=#Price List/a/li lia href=#FAQ/a/li lia href=#Contact Us/a/li /ul Cheers, Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of james Sent: 18 June 2008 14:11 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Multi level navigation! Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new class for the inner navigation, that makes it valid, however it displays with a gap at the top of the inner navigation on IE. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? Cheers. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
On 18/06/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has said? Thanks. Yes, Patrick is correct. I would add one caveat. If you use UTF-8 (personally, I see no reason to anything else), you should not use ASCII characters (hex) 81-9F / (dec) 129-159 which includes stuff like 151; for an em dash and 150; for an en dash. Instead, either use the character directly or use #8212; and #8211; for the em dash and en dash respectively. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a problem and would not allow in FF3. Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks! Kate - Original Message - From: Jason Grant To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Ken, Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3 at least. This was at the Mozilla site. Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Can some kind person tell me.. ..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC. Thanks Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Got it now thanksFirebug Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
I've downloaded Firebug 1.1 Beta and it seems to work fine with Firefox 3 http://getfirebug.com/releases/ Hope that helps. - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk 2008/6/18 kate [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a problem and would not allow in FF3. Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks! Kate - Original Message - *From:* Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
On Thu, June 19, 2008 12:40 am, T. R. Valentine wrote: Yes, Patrick is correct. I would add one caveat. If you use UTF-8 (personally, I see no reason to anything else), you should not use ASCII characters (hex) 81-9F / (dec) 129-159 which includes stuff like 151; for an em dash and 150; for an en dash. Instead, either use the character directly or use #8212; and #8211; for the em dash and en dash respectively. My understanding is that since HTML 4.0 all numerical character references are defined in terms of the document character set. For HTML4 onwards the document character set is always Unicode regardless of the character encoding of the document. So in HTML4 onwards en dash and em dash are #8211; and #8212 You'd have to go back to HTML 3.2 for 150; and 151; to be considered en-dash and em-dash characters. And even then HTML 3.2 used ISO-8859-1 specifically, so 150; and 151; would be technically undefined. -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
firebug 1.2 works fine on FF3 and is available from the add-ons on the mozilla site: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Stew 2008/6/18 Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting kate [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ken, Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3 at least. This was at the Mozilla site. [snip] Firebug is available for FF3 at the normal FF addons area. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 I just went to the above site and it's there with no problems. I downloaded it this morning. It works fine on a PC. Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Got it Cortney thanks! Great little addon it is too. Kate - Original Message - From: Cortney Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Nope - I have firebug n FF 2 and am on a PC (I also have a slew of other awesome extensions too) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kate Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Can some kind person tell me.. ..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC. Thanks Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] html vs. html
Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
The W3C's own site is full of four letter suffixs Rob. not that that means anything. I would doubt what they are saying, but then where I came from CMS and web standards were on different planets. - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [WSG] html vs. html Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me laugh, just because they thought people wouldn't be able to have filenames longer than 8 characters and 3 characters for file extensions (known as the 8.3 system). People have later assumed that that is the norm. But file types like torrents (.torrent) have proven that it doesn't have to be the case. In my opinion, I prefer .html over .htm, cause the technology is called HTML, not HTM, huh? Regards, Svip 2008/6/18 Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
I think the same. Ergo, I always prefered .html over .htm Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me laugh, just because they thought people wouldn't be able to have filenames longer than 8 characters and 3 characters for file extensions (known as the 8.3 system). People have later assumed that that is the norm. But file types like torrents (.torrent) have proven that it doesn't have to be the case. In my opinion, I prefer .html over .htm, cause the technology is called HTML, not HTM, huh? Regards, Svip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!
Hi. I realize that every time I send a message to WSG, I get two copies of that message in my Gmail Inbox. Does it just me? A bug of Gmail? Thanks in advance for the help. Also, I hope this message doesn't botter to the members of this excellent group. Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
the standard is html On Jun 18, 2008, at 17:31, Ian Chamberlain wrote: The W3C's own site is full of four letter suffixs Rob. not that that means anything. I would doubt what they are saying, but then where I came from CMS and web standards were on different planets. - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [WSG] html vs. html Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
Alternative to serving XHTML pages via Content Negotiation, I associate (via .htaccess) the .htm file extension with HTML XHTML pages served as content MIME type text/html and the .html file extension for XHTML pages served as content MIME type application/xhtml+xml. James Semantic Web Page Authoring http://jp29.org/ Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the same. Ergo, I always prefered .html over .htm Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me laugh, just because they thought people wouldn't be able to have filenames longer than 8 characters and 3 characters for file extensions (known as the 8.3 system). People have later assumed that that is the norm. But file types like torrents (.torrent) have proven that it doesn't have to be the case. In my opinion, I prefer .html over .htm, cause the technology is called HTML, not HTM, huh? Regards, Svip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!
I believe one of the messages gets sent back to yourself and the other is sent out to everyone one the list. In GMail it will group the emails, so you are infact getting 2, but this is normal. James On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I realize that every time I send a message to WSG, I get two copies of that message in my Gmail Inbox. Does it just me? A bug of Gmail? Thanks in advance for the help. Also, I hope this message doesn't botter to the members of this excellent group. Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!
Thanks so much for your accurate answer! :-) Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe one of the messages gets sent back to yourself and the other is sent out to everyone one the list. In GMail it will group the emails, so you are infact getting 2, but this is normal. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
Rob Enslin wrote: I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Challenge the support staff to actually point out where this statement from the W3C is supposed to be... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Firebug (1.20b3 seems stable) and web developer toolbar both are now compatible with FF3. Make sure you get the versions from the Mozilla Add-ons pages as these are currently the most up to date. On a PC if you need to run both FF3and FF2 you can run the portable versions of either of them from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable.%3C/p check the bottom of the page for FF2 links. On a mac do a search for portable or standalone firefox and there are instructions around showing you how to set up a second profile so that they don't interfere with each other. Jason Grant wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3
all I have to do is create had to do was create a new profile and set shortcuts to load ff3 with the new profile. heres some info http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/how-to-have-firefox-3-and-firefox-2-running-at-the-same-time/ 2008/6/18 Sajan Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace the version 2 with the new one, and many of the plugins that works on version 2 gets disable since they aren't compatible. I did a mistake updating. Sajan On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer pages for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as you wish. The particulars depend on your environment. Linux Mac Win don't all work exactly the same. Don't install as replacement before checking if extensions you depend on are ready for it. -- Where were you when I laid the earth's foudation?Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Firefox rendering issue
http://www.americanmotorcycles.com.au/spyder.html IE displays as intended but since I made some changes to other parts of the site, Firefox displays incorrectly. It seems to want to put #contentdata directly under #box instead of under #contentpics. Can anyone see where I have gone wrong? Thanks Lyn Western Web Design Affordable website design, Perth *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site
I have an Intranet site I wish to put through the HTML validator. How do I validate the Internet site. Download and save the code? then upload the code to the HTML validator? Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http://www.infoforce-services.com Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light. - Helen Keller *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Hayden's Harness Attachment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Intranet site I wish to put through the HTML validator. How do I validate the Internet site. Download and save the code? then upload the code to the HTML validator? Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http://www.infoforce-services.com Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light. - Helen Keller *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Hello Angus, You can go here: http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_upload, select your file and upload it. You'll get the validation results of the uploaded file. You can use the Web Developer add-on for Firefox and press CTRL+SHIFT+A, it automates this process. Gonzalo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
