Re: [WSG] alt text on email graphic
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Re: [WSG] alt text on email graphic
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RE: [WSG] alt text on email graphic
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[WSG] Document Formats
Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Title a href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Document Formats
On 11/30/10 11:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. Given the history of MS-format docs spreading macro viruses, I'm astounded that anyone still considers (1) posting them on the Web, and (2) from the other side of the fence, downloading them. :-) If a Word doc is the only option to get information from a site, I go elsewhere. YMMV. Perhaps you could automate the conversion of these proprietary formats to HTML or (a very distant second-best option) PDF. Security aside, from a pure usability perspective, requiring a user to go get an external reader to access your information is pretty unfriendly. FWIW, -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com webtuitive design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com twitter: @hassan dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Document Formats
Hello Kevin, You are right about providing HTML and PDF versions. If you must provide a Word version then I suggest converting your documents to the old *.doc format which can be read by all versions of Word back to Word 97. If you have Word 2002 or earlier you can download a converter to convert your *.docx files into *.doc format. See the links at the bottom of this email. Why not suggest to your users that they install OpenOffice Writer instead. Writer reads all versions of Word documents. By the way, converting Word documents to clean HTML / XHTML is no walk in the park. If you need to do this, I would suggest using DocToHTML (http://www.doctohtml.com/doctohtml.html) which I have had good success with. It's $39 to buy and good value. Kind regards, Grant Bailey Links: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/office-online-file-converters-and-viewers-HA001044981.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=cf196df0-70e5-4595-8a98-370278f40c57DisplayLang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=941b3470-3ae9-4aee-8f43-c6bb74cd1466displaylang=en On 1/12/2010 6:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Titlea href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Document Formats
Kevin, This query opens a much broader discussion about the convergence of web content management systems and document management systems, and the appropriate use of various applications to present and format information for various media. Word, pdf etc are often used as presentation applications for information on screen, rather than presentation applications for printed information. This often leads to storage and maintenance of two parallel files - print and screen. A more appropriate solution would be the maintenance of a single (say XML) file tagged for use with templates for multiple presentation environments and purposes - the same information could be used to create a wallet quick reference card, full instruction manual, media release, or full screen web and mobile. The basic problem in the question below seems to be the appropriateness of the information formatting tool for the presentation purpose. Kind Regards, Peter Hislop -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 6:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Document Formats Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Title a href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Document Formats [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
UNCLASSIFIED Some further reasons for not making Microsoft Word documents available via a web site are: 1. The format is trivially editable, so your document might be easily changed and repurposed in ways you would rather it wasn't and, 2. By default, Microsoft Word documents contain the content of every edit ever performed on the document (easily accessible with any hex editor) along with a rich pile of metadata that you may or may not want your audience to have access to. Microsoft acknowledge this and make available a tool to clean up Word documents: http://goo.gl/iRV3 There are no super easy solutions to the document format problem but scripting Openoffice to inhale Microsoft Word and exhale PDF, while far from ideal, is probably the best of the bad solutions available right now. -- MC UNCLASSIFIED *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Document Formats
On 11/30/10 11:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. [...] I'd opt for just the HTML version. After all, HTML was created to solve precisely this problem--people trying to communicate using incompatible software... Of course, the conversion may not be easy. :\ Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
I have a draft layout for a client that is fine in all respects except that
in IE8, the background image in the footer is missing.
Here's the page concerned:
http://afpwebworks.com/strikingdistance/index.cfm
And the footer div rule is as follows for IE (I have a IE-only style sheet)
:
#footer {
color: #d9d9d9;
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
background-position: top;
min-height: 96px;
}
Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok.
So does any one see what I have wrong for IE?
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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RE: [WSG] Document Formats
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RE: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
Mike,
This line is invalid:
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
You're defining both the color *and* the url in the image property.
Either change it to:
background-image: url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-color: #33;
or:
background: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
This is invalid across all browsers, it's just that IE8 is the only one that
seems to actually care.
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Subject: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
I have a draft layout for a client that is fine in all respects except that
in IE8, the background image in the footer is missing.
Here's the page concerned:
http://afpwebworks.com/strikingdistance/index.cfm
And the footer div rule is as follows for IE (I have a IE-only style sheet)
:
#footer {
color: #d9d9d9;
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
background-position: top;
min-height: 96px;
}
Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok.
So does any one see what I have wrong for IE?
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting
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RE: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
Mike,
This line is invalid:
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
You're defining both the color *and* the url in the image property.
Either change it to:
background-image: url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-color: #33;
or:
background: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
This is invalid across all browsers, it's just that IE8 is the only one that
seems to actually care.
--
Tatham Oddie
au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie
If you're printing this email, you're doing it wrong. This is a computer,
not a typewriter.
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Kear
Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 3:50 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
I have a draft layout for a client that is fine in all respects except that
in IE8, the background image in the footer is missing.
Here's the page concerned:
http://afpwebworks.com/strikingdistance/index.cfm
And the footer div rule is as follows for IE (I have a IE-only style sheet)
:
#footer {
color: #d9d9d9;
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
background-position: top;
min-height: 96px;
}
Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok.
So does any one see what I have wrong for IE?
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting
from AUD$15/month
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RE: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?
YEP! That did the trick. I thought i'd checked all those things, but i missed that one on the IE-Only style sheet. Thanks. I knew having a fresh eye look at it would see something that i was too close to to notice - couldn't see the wood for the trees. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2010 4:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please? Mike, This line is invalid: background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg); You're defining both the color *and* the url in the image property. Either change it to: background-image: url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg); background-color: #33; or: background: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg); This is invalid across all browsers, it's just that IE8 is the only one that seems to actually care. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
