[WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ Also see http://www.browsercam.com/ -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Browser Stack should work just fine: http://www.browserstack.com/ http://www.browserstack.com/ Mads Erik Forberg Utvikler Mediehuset Tek - Et datterselskap av A-pressen og Edda Media Tlf: +47 950 26 646 Den 23.09.2011 15:57, skrev Tom Livingston: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Russ Weakleyr...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ Also see http://www.browsercam.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] HTML5/CSS3 form input to web page
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RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Janice Schwarz Sent: 23 September 2011 15:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . This message has been scanned by MailController - portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
http://www.browserstack.com/ On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J *From:*li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Janice Schwarz *Sent:* 23 September 2011 15:59 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com mailto:c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter:GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
This is my favorite tool: http://utilu.com/IECollection/ Dan Freeman e-Commerce Manager 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) http://www.lexi.com/ www.lexi.com lexicomp-email-sig From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? http://www.browserstack.com/ On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Janice Schwarz Sent: 23 September 2011 15:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***image001.gif
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: This is my favorite tool: http://utilu.com/IECollection/ OMG @ IE 1.0 (4.40.308)! :D That's pretty cool though. I have always avoided IE multiple installers due to various issues that I can't remember at this moment; it looks like IECollection is pretty solid though. I personally like using the official MS approach: Install VPC and download all IE versions here: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=11575 What I hate about the VPC images is that they expire and they are large to download! On the other hand, I like that they are clean installs in an encapsulated environment. Anyway, thanks for link! Micky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On 9/23/11 7:58 AM, Janice Schwarz wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakinc...@koisis.com wrote: [...] This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? [...] I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). Janice's points are valid. FWIW I have come across several bugs in IE 7 when page zoom is applied. Not only won't you see this from a screen shot, but IE 8 in compatibility mode does not exhibit most of the problems I came across. Not tried IE 9's modes, though. As well as native browsers running in Windows installs under VMWare Fusion on my Mac, I also use IETester in Windows 7. So far I have found it accurate - and more convenient than firing up several VMs. http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage HTH. -- Cordially, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Hello All - Thanks for everone throwing in with their suggestions - after looking at each I've decided upon IETester which seems to work pretty well as it mirrors the results I'm seeing in IE9's Browser Mode command. This app also confirms that I've dealt with all of my IE8 issues - while also confirming that the few maddening IE7 issues that I've pounded my head upon for almost a full day are still in play. Will be requesting guidance on these few remaining IE7 issues shortly. Thanks again for the lead on IE Tester! Cole -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On 9/23/11 7:58 AM, Janice Schwarz wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakinc...@koisis.com wrote: [...] This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? [...] I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). Janice's points are valid. FWIW I have come across several bugs in IE 7 when page zoom is applied. Not only won't you see this from a screen shot, but IE 8 in compatibility mode does not exhibit most of the problems I came across. Not tried IE 9's modes, though. As well as native browsers running in Windows installs under VMWare Fusion on my Mac, I also use IETester in Windows 7. So far I have found it accurate - and more convenient than firing up several VMs. http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage HTH. -- Cordially, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] IE7 Issues - The Final Three
Hello All - After more than a day I've been able to successfully quash all ie7 issues except for three. I'm hoping that someone can guide me to a solution for these remaining problems. Live development site is here: www.koisis.com/index.php Z-INDEX OF POSITIONED HR Looking at the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9, you'll see that the green HR rule (directly below Welcome to Our World) flows BEHIND the little green geko. This is as it's suppose to be. In IE7, however, the rule is ABOVE the geko. Z-index issues are well documented for IE7 but try as I might - using all of the documentation I've read on IE7-z - I can't get this hr to go beneath the Geko. POSITIONED WRAPPER EFFECT, COPYRIGHT LINE AND FOOTER NAV Again, if you look at the bottom of the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9 you'll see a graphical wrapper effect (visually defining the bottom of the wrapper div) as well as a copyright line and footer nav UL. This is how it's suppose to look. In IE7 however, all three elements vanish. Hours and hours of research and css/structure re-writing have not gotten me anywhere. MYSTERY PADDING/MARGIN (WHATEVER) on LI button I've got two rectangular buttons (cancel and submit) on the contact page (http://www.koisis.com/index.php?cmd=01.09.00.01lac=en-us). In FF these buttons look as it should. In IE7 however, neither buttons are in alignment. The Cancel button is an LI, the Submit button is a form input button. Again, hours of searching and css tweaking have resulted in nothing more than additional hair-loss. If anyone can suggest ways to one or more of these issues in IE7 i'd be hugely grateful. Thanks to all in advance. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE7 Issues - The Final Three
Hi Cole,
Bug no. 1
You may need to re-think the mark-up a little. Check this article
http://brenelz.com/blog/squish-the-internet-explorer-z-index-bug/
Bug no. 2
add this to your current stylesheet to trigger hasLayout for that element.
html #formNav {height: 1%;}
If you have a specific IE stylesheet then:
#formNav {height: 1%;}
Hope this helps.
Sean
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote:
Hello All -
After more than a day I've been able to successfully quash all ie7 issues
except for three.
I'm hoping that someone can guide me to a solution for these remaining
problems.
Live development site is here: www.koisis.com/index.php
Z-INDEX OF POSITIONED HR
Looking at the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9, you'll see that the
green HR rule (directly below Welcome to Our World) flows BEHIND the
little green geko. This is as it's suppose to be.
In IE7, however, the rule is ABOVE the geko.
Z-index issues are well documented for IE7 but try as I might - using all
of
the documentation I've read on IE7-z - I can't get this hr to go beneath
the
Geko.
POSITIONED WRAPPER EFFECT, COPYRIGHT LINE AND FOOTER NAV
Again, if you look at the bottom of the home page (above) in FF, IE8 or IE9
you'll see a graphical wrapper effect (visually defining the bottom of the
wrapper div) as well as a copyright line and footer nav UL. This is how
it's
suppose to look. In IE7 however, all three elements vanish. Hours and hours
of research and css/structure re-writing have not gotten me anywhere.
MYSTERY PADDING/MARGIN (WHATEVER) on LI button
I've got two rectangular buttons (cancel and submit) on the contact page
(http://www.koisis.com/index.php?cmd=01.09.00.01lac=en-us).
In FF these buttons look as it should. In IE7 however, neither buttons are
in alignment.
The Cancel button is an LI, the Submit button is a form input button.
Again, hours of searching and css tweaking have resulted in nothing more
than additional hair-loss.
If anyone can suggest ways to one or more of these issues in IE7 i'd be
hugely grateful.
Thanks to all in advance.
Cole
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