Re: [WSG] making tables/rows/cells in IE lose their tableness via CSS
Yeah, it was quite wild as I remember ... The other day I was playing with Eric's CSS Charts and wanted to have the actual data in table, repositioning them somehow for display. It was rather hacking the elements to the position. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission
I'm here in Austin. [...] Im in Austin too! So you'll be the ones who should advise a good BBQ there, during SXSW ;) Oh I can see an Austin WSG forming already! A joint venture with Refresh (http://refreshaustin.org/) maybe? :) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Introduction and first submission
pardon me yet again, but what is this...SXSW ? An event where you can meet many folks from this list: http://2006.sxsw.com/interactive/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle
I don't see any text in blue at the (later) link i posted. Are you sure you tried the right example? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle
So please read again this http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg26051.html. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle
is that the one you want me to read? You can read the principles of this trick there, but use the clean solution you can find if you view the source of the exact page I posted. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle
Taco, try to integrate this solution: http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Vertical align:middle
What hack? Have you seen this variation: http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/priklady/vertical-align-valid-solution-en.html ? -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Update
- Safari rendering of web pages This may have broken/fixed websites that you are responsible for. This looks like a minor update (even Saft didn't scream for an update) and anyone using WebKits for testing purposes should not be surprised. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.
I want a standards based website -- can you deliver? This premise is wrong. When I'm buying a house I also do not explicitly state that I want it to be built with standards, however I anticipate it's not going to fall on my head soon. It's the professional side of all the suppliers. If you want to target the educational influence, do it there. Clients shouldn't care - they have own businesses to look after. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web page translations
Nope, just use UTF-8 and the only thing you need to customize is the Content-Language header and xml:lang attribute and you're done. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web page translations
What do I need to change? In your case - nothing. You're already done. In my case, when I use ... ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=cs head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 / meta http-equiv=Content-Language content=cs / ... I need to change the xml:lang and the last meta (both cs) to the appropriate content (eg. de when converting to German). -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Most semantic XHTML markup possible - your thoughts
I just felt that a definition list was intended to define terms. So am I wrong in my thinking about definitions lists? Partly. The scope of their usage is pretty much wide. For me the sign of the possibility to use them is equivalency. Not only an explanation, even any equivalent relation in any context. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]
A short script could check past # ... as eg. Moo.FX does - http://moofx.mad4milk.net/#introduction So it's pretty easy to add. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: Moral High-horse
Because there's a difference between normative standards (ISO etc., in some legal environment), and best-practise (W3C and the web world - it works with RFC's on the elementary level, but unfortunately not on the surface). -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart
CubeCart or Zen Cart may also be fine. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
It's not about Ruby or PHP, this is not a case for a language. Only frameworks matter. So the standards guys just pick a RAD (aka just add water...) framemork, be it Ruby on Rails for Ruby or CakePHP (Symfony, Claw, Zephyr) for PHP, that are pretty much the same effective. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE6 and color display behavior
Yep, PNG: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg24854.html -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Lightening Entire Background Image
FYI - it's described here: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/png-gamma/ http://annevankesteren.nl/2004/07/png-gamma http://www.evolt.org/article/To_PNG_or_not_to_PNG/22/60134/ -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] No Helpdesk software based on webstandards?
Maybe http://www.edgewall.com/trac/? It depends on the functionality and features you need. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] @media 2006 , London, 15th-16th June
The @media conference returns in 2006 So, who's going, guys? ;) -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.
+ getting into microformats And all the new buzzwords - AJAX, Web 2.0, tags, folksonomy... :) OK, kidding aside, the best thing I noticed this year was that I changed my approach to all the bits of web design - separated visuals, technology, standards etc. just don't matter - it's user who matters. User experience and user centered design is the key. And for sure, standards, good visuals, accessible and usable site as well as credibility and good information architecture are parts of it. Nothing of this can make the site by itself. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions
It is the viewport size that matters, the screen resolution is essentially irrelevant. And everyone should remember this. I have 2560x1024 and available canvas in browsers about 900px wide. There are some graphs: http://weblog.jakpsatweb.cz/b/1108565041-mereni-sirky-okna-v-grafech.html (in Czech only) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions
It was useful, (if also in Czech.:) ) Good to hear :) I asked for people to get first-hand data is because it tends to be more reliable. Well, as someone smart said - you have to look at your own data to pick an appropriate solution. Other's data may not neccessarily fit your audience. shown around 1% of people with a resolution of 800x600 or a corresponding view port size. 13.1% had 800x600 screens. 28.0% had viewport up to 800px wide. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Image replacement and google
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? See http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313 + comments. Do you get penalized? No. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] real xhtml - last question!
is there a 'list' of things which happen in 'real' xhtml but not in text/html? http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] talking points for standards
Some articles: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/csstalking/ http://www.graphicpush.com/index.php?id=49 http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000266.php http://www.webstandards.org/learn/reference/web_standards_for_business.html http://www.websitegoodies.com/article/38 http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/The_Business_Benefits_of_Web_Standards http://www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/benefits.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards
and http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resourcecat30.cfm Or http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors I personally use BBEdit on OSX and PSPad on WXP (+ jEdit and Eclipse on both). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Learning asp.net with standards
Some reading: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/no_xhtml_10_strict_in_aspnet_20/ http://aspnetresources.com/blog/aspnet_for_designers.aspx http://aspnetresources.com/blog/aspnet_and_xhtml.aspx http://www.aspnetresources.com/blog/xhtml10_transitional_in_aspnet20.aspx http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx http://www.riderdesign.com/products/ http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/050504-1.aspx -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics
http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2005/11/web_blandards.html + discussion at http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/standards_do_not_stifle_creativity/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: UK Government Web Accessibility
accessibility is an optional extra or it's the usual yeah, everything we do is accessible. You know it isn't. Not neccessarily. If the producer is working with standards and approaching his task responsively, it should be included in his best practise. Micro-perfection of HTML tags and solid CSS design across even the most stubborn of browsers is not financially viable for the majority of the website market. I also don't agree, I think it's a myth that well structured, usable and accessible web sites are (more) expensive. Due to the text above. Only those developers, that treat clients with some specific needs they can't achieve as experimentees to learn it, bill the clients more to learn it themselves. IMHO. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] info on a css hack
width:500px; *width:490px;} Same as underscore. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] safari, png, and me
Isn't an exaple of PNG gamma corection? Safari 1.2.x, 1.3.x/2.x? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] safari, png, and me
Test machine was 1.3.1 1.3 should be fine :/ what is the solution? PNGCrush or something similar to cut off the gamma info. However it's not 100% - see below. I didn't find anything on PNG Gamma correction. Ah, sry, my bad, I forgot the sources: http://www.google.com/search?q=safari%20png%20gamma%20correction -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari problems
On my version of Safari (1.3)
The 1.3 branch is fairly OK, it implemented all the bugfixes and
features that are present in 2.x, but the odler one misbehave seriously.
My EUR 0.02 - try to play with
#navigation li {
background-position: 0.5em;
}
a bit, like: 5px 5px or 20% 20% to see whether it works or not. I'd say
it'd be enough to use something like 0.5em 0 or similar.
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Re: [WSG] RapidWeaver?
Looks like a neat tool. Indeed. Many friends use it, and it's pretty straightforward for someone not intersted in web tech looking only for a easy solution to publish some stuff. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites
I don't think it must be neccessarily a common issue. Many agencies I know here mostly don't even mention standards or the particular technologies, they're just selling greatly usable, effective and profitable web solutions to the clients and since they are professionals and they care the output is standards-based as an obvious thing. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.
start learning how to design for standards The same way. How to slice As the coders need. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which browser is most stanard compliant?
If gecko is out of date, which is best? Gecko is not out-of-date. It supports many things from the specs, however it has many bugs. As well as Opera or Safari. See http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines Just go ahead and compare the latest Gecko builds, Webcore builds and Opera betas. Talking about Acid2, Safari nightly builds (as well as Konqueror and iCab (?)) were the first, Opera betas are pretty close. Gecko is not passing it well AFAIK. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout
:after generated content cannot receive some CSS properties, including 'position', 'float', list properties, and table properties. That's CSS2. Can't find that line in CSS2.1. That's possible, I quoted this from PIE thus I don't know whether it was ment as a normative restriction, or practical (implementation) restriction. Thanks for completion. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web developers Voice recognition software
(Might be useful to someone else on this list too, otherwise apologies.) http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/speech/ Apple’s Speech Recognition and Speech Synthesis Technologies now give speech-savvy applications the power to carry out your voice commands and even speak back to you in plain English. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout
I've been playing with :after lately, although not for anything serious. I've had some problems with positioning in Gecko. :after generated content cannot receive some CSS properties, including 'position', 'float', list properties, and table properties. --- http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br
pAll correspondence should be addressed to:/p address spanThe Secretary/span spanYour Club/span spanPO Box 999/span spanAnytown VIC 3000/span /address a) This is IMHO not good use for an address element (context matters). b) spans? Why? The're inline and they're overhead here. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Jello flexible layout
I have been trying to implement the Jello on my current project when I was just thrown a curve. The designer wants the page to be full height in the browser window, with a body bg pattern repeating for the area aoutside the page. Umm, is this related to Jello exclusively? I suppose it's fully independent on it. So it's an design/CSS issue per se. Or does it work in fixed layout and fails with Jello? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.
As Verdana comes bundled with a significant number of Microsoft products and the Windows operating system [...] With Mac OS X too. The 'attractiveness' of Verdana is matter of preference [...] it was designed specifically for onscreen legibility Exactly. More info: http://www.designinflight.com/04October/web_typefaces_what_works_where_and_why.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review
Zach Inglis napsal(a) dne 26.9.2005 14:14: Im considering doing a BA course in Design atm personally. Even with my 7 years experience Im getting nowhere. I am talented which makes it more annoying. Eg. I am considering leaving the BA studies (Multimedia Design) to do something more effective in real world :D IMHO the BA itself won't push you somewhere further -- if you're getting nowhere the school won't probably help directing you. At least you don't have your bashfulness as an obstacle :D Joseph R. B. Taylor napsal(a) dne 26.9.2005 3:52: As a one-man show, I disagree with that statement as I find it advantageous for me to do it all as even in the early design stages I'm thinking about how this design can be used in a page most effectively and most easily coded up. Yup. And the communication overhead and possible misunderstandings vanish. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
Maybe just throw the info and leave all the rest for the users to control? Paint it yourself style of web. Oh, and incidentally, that seems to be what some people on the WWW Style list (Orion being the loudest proponent) would like to see in the future Uhh, Patrick - it might be nice, but Orion Adrian's visions are based mostly on academic thouhgts, ideal world and sci-fi future... ;) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Jello flexible layout
Someone mentioned the Jello layout style during the clearleft thread (thank you who ever you are -- very cool!) You're more than welcome :) I was wondering if anyone has used this and if they ran into any problems Since it is pretty easy to inject to a failsafe layout, it won't (most likely) mess the layout. Just go ahead and try :) I've been playing with it recently and I've came across no problems at all. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
Try to have a look at Jello layout, I think it will boost the usability in some exteme conditions. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
techniques like FIR of hiding foreground text and putting images in CSS have problems in accessibility software So the designer should use a smart IR solution. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash elements
http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Questions about the new european parliament web site
It is run on Apache, so the Xalan mentioning there looks like it's a product of some bad XSTL transformation. And it's not .NET, it's Java. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash elements
Dwain, please read the preceding replies before posting, this was already mentioned, and it is one of the older and not the top notch solutions. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash elements
sorry, i read what i had and replied. No problemo ;) It was just mentioned by Ted before. what then would be a more standards way of it? It's not abou being more standardised, but rather more compatible, effective, flexible etc. ... See the replies for them. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Screen Resolution for Fluid Layouts
and also that no designer in the world that does graphic design is going to have a 800x600 monitor resolution I still can't get this implication between resolution (2560x1024 in my case) and the size of viewport in browser (max. 900-1000px wide in my case) - see http://tmp.anum.biz/Image44.png (screenshot of my desktop) - none of the browser windows there is wider. Can you imagine reading web sites in fullscreen browsers there? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] vertical alignment
Have I given up too quickly on 'vertical-align'? Is there something i'm missing which is preventing it from working? Its own specification. See the specs which display values use the vertical-align. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] vertical alignment
But it doesn't work in IE . . . , naturally. http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascript and no script -- best practices
a href=pagename.htm onclick=return !window.open(this.href, 'awindow', 'optionlist');link text/a thanks for the snippet. the window opens, but it is small and does not offer a maximization setting or scroll bars. what do i need to add to the code for the window to open maximized or be able to be maximized? Leave out the 'optionlist' parameter. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC
Does this statement imply the machine hosting Virtual PC and IE becomes vulnerable to malicious software? No. Only the guest OS (WXP, W2K) is vulnerable. It runs in sandbox. no reason to suspect anything will be different Colors are different (due to the matter of Mac's different gamma). How does using VPC, compare to just using Browser Cam? You can try behavior or interaction too. AFAIK BCam has now a remote access, but I've never seen it. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari 1.3 vs Safari 2 differences
Gamma correction, min-/mix-width/height, this is the most visible difference between 1.2.4 (maybe 1.3) and 2.0, but since everyone I know has moved to Tiger, I don't assume this is a problem... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Irrelevant properties
Hey mate :) Howdy. While it is valid, applying innapproriate properties to elements is habit worth avoiding :) Eh, yes, this was just a quick example I noticed when gluing together two definitions, so I was just curious - I've never thought about a similar issue. So I've already split that, but I was pretty interested in it - how it would behave, how kosher it is etc. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] window.open and popup blockers
I can understand the logic behind ignoring window.open (even in an anchor), but then I think a return false statement should be ignored as well. Are you sure? There's no reason for such an action. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] window.open and popup blockers
Do you mean there is no reason for ignoring the return false statement? Yes. I can't see any reason why a browser/plugin/firewall etc. should ignore an independent part of a JS code. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] window.open and popup blockers
That's why I didn't really see the need for testing for window.open to begin with, because in my mind a blocker that ignores window.open in an anchor should honour the href value. IMHO the blocker should just return negative result for window.open, nothing more. Since the construction return !window.open(this.href) seems logical to me. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] window.open and popup blockers
In this particular case, if you consider normal to arbitrary ignore the window.open statement [...] It does not ignore it! The method is fired successfully, but the environment processing it just does not open new window and tells the method to return false. It is not ignored in any way. FMI, do you actually know blockers that kill these links? Eg. older Operas. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] window.open and popup blockers
It does not ignore it! The method is fired successfully, but the environment processing it just does not open new window and tells the method to return false. It is not ignored in any way. The environment processing it just does not open new window vs. it ignores it... Is that supposed to answer the question about the *return false* statement that is ignored by the browser (Opera in this case)? Sorry Thierry, I really don't understand you on this. As I wrote - the browser doesn't (==shouldn't) ignore anything. Fullstop. Eg. older Operas. That'd show that they considered previous versions of their blocker as flawed, no? Or it shows that they had to fix programmers' mistakes in the favor of the poor end users... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!
Help yourself here: http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/nonvalidating/index.php http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/css_only/index.php Or, eventually, I'd rather go with: http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/html_only/conditional_comments_ie.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!
And sorry for the order :) Comments should be the first choice, then CSS only (but mind the IE7...) and after all of these the nonvalidating (like underscore). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Irrelevant properties
Hi all.
How much appropriate is attaching eg. list-style to a definition for eg.
heading, when I want to set it for more elements, but avoid splitting
the definition in two?
Example:
h1, #head ul {
list-style: none;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
position: absolute;
width: 100px;
height: 100px;
top: 10px;
left: 10px;
background: url(some.img) no-repeat;
overflow: hidden;
}
Can the list-style attached also to h1 make some confusion?
Thanks, Jan.
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Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy
I use this: onclick=window.open(this.href); return false; instead of target=_blank. +1 for onclick=return !window.open(this.href) - successfully tested with some blockers etc. - better than returnig false everytime (nothing happens then if JS is enabled but the window can't be opened). Or maybe onclick=this.taget='_blank' ? By replacing the target with the script, we are bypassing the issue of screenreaders and portable devices getting confused with multiple windows. No, we're just moving the behavior to its appropriate place - the scipting. The UA can then have those features disabled, or ask the user etc., that's fine. It only shouldn't be in the document itself, where it does not belong. The usage certailny has to be well considered... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Applying css styles to html tag
any reference on css styling the html tag, and more specifically, how various browsers will render styles applied to html? Howdy. The styling is almost the same as the styling of body is - with the XML way of parsing XHTML files there's no more the magic behavior of body element like stretching to fill the viewport etc., so the only way to style the bakground etc. of the whote viewport is via html. (http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html, http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#xhtmldiff) The only catch is (surprise?) in IE. If you assign a background to both body and html, it gets screwed up. Compare these two examples in IE and modern browser: http://www.janbrasna.com/pub/pozadi01.htm http://www.janbrasna.com/pub/pozadi02.htm -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Screen readers, flash, DOM
Sorry, I didn't mean to be patronising. Oh, I didn't feel it this way, I really appreciate it, I'm sorry if it sounded ungrateful. I've no idea if that's typical. I was under the impression that IE comes with the Flash plugin installed by default, but I don't know that for sure. I've never intentionally installed the Flash plugin, but it's there in IE. Ah, that's true, or at leas AFAIK. Although it would be interesting to have data on the numbers of people using assistive technology that also have the Flash plugin installed, if it turned out that only a small percentage installed Flash, it wouldn't detract me from wanting to embed Flash accessibly. Well, I don't think it detracts me. I'm only trying to avoid an extra markup. It might sound bad, but I'm replacing an h1 with the flash conent by the UFO. So I just want to avoid the situation, that an user of a screen reader (based on eg. IE, having flash an JS on - passing UFO checks) gets the useful h1 element (for him, when he could not see the visual presentation of its content provided in the flash object) removed and replaced by something he can't read. Thanks for input! -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy
If I'm sure the PDF is intended for downloading, not for direct viewing in browser I force its download with headers (like Content-Type: application/x-download etc.) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Screen readers, flash, DOM
Howdy. Maybe strange questions - Do the users of screen readers have flash? (I have no idea for a reason why they shloud) - And do the screen readers read the elements from the document, even if they're not in DOM? The reason I ask this - I'm including a flash header via UFO v1.0 [1], based on its presence detection. If positive, the script exchanges (in DOM) an H1 element with the flash object, so I wanted to know, how this can result in various scenarios. Thanks. [1] http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] bi-lingual page?
English and German are both Latin1 languages, so no problem here. To be 100% safe use UTF8. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
When using these filters, be careful - IE7 is coming... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and Standards
http://blog.deconcept.com/flashobject/ answer to flash and standards? Yep, IMHO better than Satay. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] background images fluid
Bitmap grpahic is not intended to be rescaled/stretched. You can tile it, or combine it (like on mozillazine), but no stretching, please... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 b1 :/
I think IE 7 will be a bit of a disapointment to the web developer crowd. I hope that it won't. I think WaSP and developers after preparing the GUI and features are now working on the interface and technology issues to fix as much as possible, see the IEBlog. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE7 b1 :/
OK, beta 1 pretty bad in the field of standards, only PNG partially fixed and peekaboo and guillotine bugs removed. Otherwise IE6-like. See http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2005/07/28/ie7-beta-1-release -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?
My whole point is... why bother? Why not? As I've written some posts back - most people have no extra expenses (or extra time / effort) delivering compliant sites, the only time consuming part is tweaking *for* IE, so I still can't see the point. It is JUST a browser, heck, you don't even need to pay for it. I don't have it on laptop or smartphone (no MS platform). Years ago, in a different organisation I worked for we made a piece of 'Windows Only' software available for free. The 'Apple People' screamed their heads off for three months until we also made their version available (at GREAT expense to the organisation). I left about nine months later, and at that point 0 (zero) people had actually downloaded it. Not one. Zilch. That is sad. And yes, it happens. But, again, web document is not any kind of compiled / platform-dependent application, you don't have to refactor it for every target device, it is intended to be browser independent, if it's done properly. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?
The most important difference between Avalon and the current Windows display architecture is that Avalon is vector based. The vector structure allows scalable graphics (windows, fonts icons), meaning designers can specify shapes and objects onscreen instead of mapping elements using pixels and x/y coordinates. As many systems use for some time... (KDE, Aqua/Quartz, ?) What does all this mean for the web standards community? Am I reading too much into this by thinking this is a seismic shift in the way we could be building websites in the future? In particular - what are the implications in the XHTML/CSS path versus something like Flash? There was some mentioning in this thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Jun/0248.html Web page is mostly document. Not an application GUI. I'd compare Avalon's XAML to XUL+SVG. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?
Really, are we mad to develop for anything else? Um, yes? Bridges are also built for conditions that don't occur most of the year. I mean - you should not 'develop' for a platform, but in compliance with some guidelines and compatibility in mind. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?
I work for the Government. So, that's sad. You shlould have DDA/WCAG in mind. Accessible page must be universal as far as posible. 30,000 unique visitors a day, and the number of those using a non-windows OS is not even worth counting. I love Firefox, but playing Devil's advocate, how can we justify to our employers spending any time developing for alternate browsers We don't 'develop' for alternative browsers in my company. We just build web sites that adhere to standards (+ some insane IE tweaking). when all an end user has to do is click on one icon over another to access your content? You shold be more forward-thinking if you're responsilbe for .gov web site. (No offence, please.) over 20 legacy apps facing the outside world That's different. Many webapps (GIS, panoramas) have some requirements. Even if I'm convinced that making an app compatible (see google maps) is possible, repairing the old ones is not worth it, if it is not requested. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] base css
Couldn't help myself ;) Even if you could, someone else would do it :P Cheers man. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
I use IE Conditional Comments: Isn't it a bit overkill? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
I use IE Conditional Comments: Isn't it a bit overkill? Why do you think so? Having the code twice, you know... I don't (personally) like the idea of having these two block separately. I had some problems with flash satay and IE 5.x so I switched over to this method. And if you don't use loads of small flash movies in a page it's not too much overhead. So I started to use the FlashObject... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A web culture
Movie? The Net, Matrix... ;) Song? http://www.shauninman.com/plete/2005/02/whats-the-word Book? Uh, plenty (I mean, not technical, but more obvious some sociology etc. ...) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Embedding quicktime movie and xhtml validation
I'd use analogically the satay method... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling
Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing opinions
on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.
a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }
I use it, but not on mainstream web site, it's more like my personal
playground, so I can do it. Honestly - I wouldn't use it on some kind of
commercial (or so..) web, a small part of the visitors told me about the
worse readibility of the link below, and theyre right, it's IMHO a bit
less usable.
I don't remember where I borrowed this from, kudos to the original designer.
It's something Simon Collison or Bojan Janjanin promoted.
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ins underline accessibility (was Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling)
that the link was deactivated when it has a strike through Russ, it's an OT in this thread, but it is connected with this - not with del, but with ins -- is the underline accessible? You know, it's widely spread that only links should have the underline, but I noticed it just few days ago that browsers use underlining for inserted text by default. Is this alright? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: ins underline accessibility (was Re: [WSG] Visited Link Sty ling)
Sure, Ted, the solution is pretty obvious, I've tested light background for highlighting, and it works as intended aswell. I was only interested in the accessibility issue of the default behavior - it seems a bit contra-productive for me. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad
Kay, I'll try to summarize a paragraph on this topic from one Czech accessibility book: - having a page containing only text still doesn't implicate it's accessibile - using text version often leads to forgetting all the rules of good web on the main site and placing more barriers there - if the main site is not accessible, it is hard to find a link to the text-olny version - paralell version may simplify the issue to an idea that accessible = for blind visitors, which isn't true and leeds to constraining other visitors who may use the accessible site - the need of a separate maintenance of the text-only version often ends in not-so-accurate content and makes it worthless. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?
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Re: [WSG] PNG Support
we will have proper PNG Support in IE I wouldn't be that sure ;) You know - MS... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Character encoding
I've always thought that characters should be marked up with appropriate entity codes... It's just always felt dirty seeing certain characters not written in their appropriate entity codes. Eh, maybe on anglo-saxon websites... The rest of the world has a different opinion ;) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages
Vaska, you¨re still mixing those: I think you are mixing two things which should be separated. The first problem is the language of the page (defined in the header) The second problem is how to create a non-ascii character He is right. It is a tricky business because for a French typist I can use entities and change an é into eacute; It's wise to use codepage that contain this character, or better UTF. but with Chinese everything comes up unreadable (as you've mentioned) Even when using Unicode? There will be a situation where one page will have the header encoding in ZH and an input/text field as EN-US. I'm pretty sure that the field itself won't establish the language parameters that go into the field - the operating system will. No, the browser will. It will send the characters in the encoding (charset, not language!) of the page. One thing I don't understand though, is at what point does the computer actually use the xml:lang attribute? At the input (client-side)? When it gets to the server/table (server-side)? I can type any language I want into the textarea, but what comes out can vary... The 'lang' attrib is mostly for screen readers, CSS language tools and some processing applications. It doesn't determine the way how characters are inputed/printed/transfered. That's a part for charset. What, where, which formats do I use and stick with if the idea is to support just about any lanugage that's out there (theoretically)? Some Unicode - I don't know how it works with Asian/Arabic/Hebrew - whether UTF8, 16 or 32, what about the Endians etc. ... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is there a tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?
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Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers
Hi Maxine, all fine in 5.01 and 5.5 ...
AFAIK these old one can't handle
h1.pink.blue.orange { ... }
and interpret it as
h1.pink .blue .orange { ... }
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