Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media
On 5/22/07, Parker, Simi (DPS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users. Hi Simi, On the Mac side I don't have anything to add over Nick's observations (using Safari 2 with Flip4Mac aswell) On Firefox 2, Windows XP I dont get any media player controls for the video. Can give you more details tomorrow if you want. Otherwise (and I hope you're still working on these :p) - the Conditions of Access page showing up every time I try to access a stream is pretty annoying, and unnecessary from my knowledge. Also opening the stream in a new window without warning is a bit annoying. Oh, and displaying the stream information in a textarea seems like a bad idea to me. Otherwise it looks like a very useful service :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] some simple box problems
On 2/27/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I havnt been doing my own css for a while-just handing over illustrator files so Im a bit rusty. Im not sure whats going on with this simple 2 column fixed with layout. The problem is the wrapper div is not being expanded by the two nested columns within it. Hi Kevin, Looks like you need to clear the floats: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html Not too sure what's happening with the margins, only had a quick look, maybe try setting margin-top to 0 on the h2 elements. Hope this helps. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing multiple Flash Player versions...
Hi Paul,I use Flash Plugin Switcher:http://www.kewbee.de/produkte/PluginSwitcher.htmlsite is in German, but the help is in English: http://www.kewbee.de/FlashPluginSwitcher/Help/Macromedia/Adobe have a bunch of old versions of the player available for download which you can use with it: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_14266Hope this helps.On 3/21/06, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Just wondering if anyone has a clever way of testing multiple Flash players on a single machine? Preferably without having to uninstall. If not, does anyone know of a good place to download earlier versions? Cheers, Paul -- Lindsay Evanshttp://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
On 11/18/05, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Faaberg You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-)So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalidand badly expressed? ;) Yes, please validate your next ramble with one of the W3C's online tools please :pI must admit I've been an avid follower of this thread aswell, and if it weren't for you jumping in with my exact same thoughts Patrick, Id've joined in long ago :) In all seriousness, I see this whole discussion as a Good Thing, and as long as it doesn't sink to the name calling level it should continue for as long as you guys (and anyone else who cares to jump in) have something pertinent to add. -- Lindsay Evanshttp://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
Hi Andy, Site looks great, nice and clean. And don't listen to any of these 'the font is too big' comments, it's just about perfect for my aging eyes (great, now I feel old :) Two things that jumped out at me: * I kind of expected the entire green background of the navigation items to be clickable, not a biggy though. * The 'clear' part of the 'clear:left' text in the body seems to jump out a bit - not neccesarily a bad thing for branding, but it does get a bit distracting on pages that have it occuring a few times. Maybe dropping the colour down a notch (to about #333) in the main content would help. On 9/21/05, Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks,We've just launched our new company website, and would love yourfeedback.http://www.clearleft.com/-- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Hi Paul, You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped off about half way down? Try changing div class=cleanernbsp;/div to br class=cleaner / On 8/18/05, Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the browser window's icon. I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a solution. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes
Hi Sarah,
The easiest way to achieve this is by sticking an ID attribute on your
body elements, eg.
body id=page1
body id=page2
Then targetting it in your CSS like so:
body#page1 {background-color:#fff;}
body#page2 {background-color:#ffc;}
On 7/19/05, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.
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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
Hi Marco, Faux Columns http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ are probably your best bet. On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two grey columns to be the same height? It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the shorter column to have extra empty space to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:52:15 -0800, Andreas Boehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them and the form will submit. I usually just style a normal input type=submit with a background image. Netscape 4 etc. won't get the image, but it will still work. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:49 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html element instead of the body element, but I just want to ask in general - is this difference a standard behavior and a standard interpretation of the XML parser? -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:43:28 -0500, Jonathan T. Sage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has any information on how to fix #2, I'd also love to hear it. Hope this proves to be a good read! Try removing the CDATA delimeters adding the XHTML namespace to the BODYTEXT element: BODYTEXT xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; h1... -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DOM and Standard
Hi Berry, Not really much out there on theory, but Gecko has a pretty compliant DOM implementation. The Gecko DOM Reference: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/ The Mozilla Object Reference: http://mozref.com/ On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:33:27 -0500, berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but I already found this link. What I was looking for was theory. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
No Flash, works with scripting turned off, text is selectable (yes, I know you can select the individual sIFR bits, but that just ain't the same :)), colours, size, etc. are easily manipulated via. CSS, probably has a better chance of being understood by screenreaders that are in use today. I'm sure there are ways around it in sIFR, but from what I can see it doesn't scale the text according to user font size preferences, or obey user style sheets. Plus it just doesn't feel as 'hacky' to me :) Anyway, it's just an idea, if you want more control over typography, then go with sIFR (or get Quark start doing print design :p) On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:38:42 +0100, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be somewhat annoying: what are the advantages of your method over sIFR2? Despite (or thanks to) its dependancy on Flash, it has a broader support (IE/mac, Opera, Gecko, Safari). If I would be a frantic typography guy, I'd use sIFR. ;-) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
On the topic of CSS versions, this would be *very* invalid under CSS2.1 as it currently stands, as they've removed @font-face support - apparently because of a lack of implementations [1] It *is* fine in CSS3 though, through the web fonts module [2] 1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Oct/0154.html 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/#referencing On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:59:09 +1100, Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Dejan and Christian indicated, the validator automatically assumes use of CSS 2.0 However, using the advanced interface allows you to choose which version you would like to validate against. In the case of Lindsay's site, validating against CSS 3.0 removes some of the errors - the pseudo-element such-and-such can't appear here in the context css2 Unfortunately, the validator does not yet offer the option of validating against CSS 2.1. Anyone know when this is likely to happen? Although, I don't believe that would have any effect on use of -moz properties anyway -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug Bowman or someone does :p Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically questionable uses of CSS, etc. Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend: http://lindsayevans.com/ Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored with it started redesigning yet again. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:54:36 +, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You forgot to close the second comment. Ooops, thanks. Fixed now. The perils of copy n' paste :p Fundamentally though, unless I'm missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered, regardless of the font embedding not working (as you also provided fallback fonts). Additionally, I seem to be getting the image on its own line, and the normal text on the following one. As I said, maybe I'm missing something... Hmm, you're quite right. It *does* work in Firefox, I must've just left something important out, probably a height or something along those lines. That's what I get for throwing things together in a rush :) I'll fix when I get home. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:32:56 +1000, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss anything imprtant? Yes. A 'z' in: http://www.mezoblue.com/ :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:13:17 +1000, Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is a weakness and failing in the CSS spec. I feel designers should be able to assign any (relevant) ASCII character or Special Character set to list elements. snip/ They should have added this in the CSS spec. They did. See the :before pseudo element and the content property: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q11 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q12 Of course, certain browsers don't implement these features at all, which makes them kinda useless in most cases, but they do exist. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] forms and SSL
Hi Chris, I just did a quick test using Ethereal http://ethereal.com/, and it looks like the browser requests the server's certificate, then encrypts the data that it is sending. Using Firefox 0.9.3 Internet Explorer 6. Of course, if you're intending to put this into practice somewhere, I'd suggest a bit more testing :) As for your next question, I don't think it's possible to send cleartext over HTTPS at all. (mind you, I'm not the worlds greatest authority on HTTPS, so I might be wrong :p) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:25:13 +1000, Chris Blown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A discussion popped up here recently, and though its not really specific to web standards, I still think its worthy of a bit of discussion on the list. If you have a form that is served via standard http with its action set to a https server, then one assumes that the UA will send an encrypted post request. Or does it? -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great idea, but i can't get it to work - Have tried window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = '!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN \n http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd;'; and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode. Any ideas or working examples of a doctype change? You're able to access the doctype through the document.doctype attribute, but I'm pretty sure it's read-only :| Also other browsers are returning the html tag not the doctype as the first node in the document. As they should. The doctype isn't a child node of document (IE in quirks mode probably gets that wrong tho). Had a quick scout around and found this (French): http://darkmag.net/darkBlog/index.php/2004/01/06/4-GenerationDePagesWebL otusNotesConformesAuxStandardsDuW3c Seems to be something about adding the doctype to the HTTP headers output by the server, might be of use to you. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] quotes on q tag
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How are people handling putting quotes on q tags?
I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had
quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach?
I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting
q {
quotes: none;
}
didnt seem to affect the compliant browsers.
This works in Firefox 0.8, no idea about other browsers:
q:before, q:after {
content: ;
}
Lea
~ and if anyone can tell me what to call the little blocks of
text that
are pulled out and the surrounding paragraph wraps around it,
I will be
forever in your debt! Makes googling difficult when you can't remember
what the silly things are called
Pull quotes?
http://desktoppub.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-pullquote.htm
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RE: [WSG] Correct way to swap style sheets based on Browser?
There is a good table showing which browsers support which CSS 'hacks' here: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ryan, I was not aware of the @import and that it's invisible to NN4 Are there any other browsers its invisible to? Anyone? -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS
Any web server worth it's salt will gzip compress static files, which makes trimming all the whitespace a bit pointless. Ditto with any crazy-assed class naming scheme you come up with to make things smaller. I learnt most of what I know about HTML, CSS JS from viewing the source of pages that had something I thought was cool, so I think it's kinda nice to make my stuff as readable as possible for anyone doing the same these days. Also helps when I come back to make changes 6 months later wonder WTF things do :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does everyone else on the list do this? For the sake of 11k that is cached on the first page load it seems a little drastic. I do programming work as well as markup and the indentation/formatting of the code is very important in producing readable code. If it was only me looking at the CSS then fine, but in a team situation producing CSS formatted like this could make human reading a lot harder and thus slow production time. I can understand if you use TopStyle to do this automatically but I just thought a note of caution/consideration to others reading this that may feel it's a thing all good CSS developers must do. Personally I'd prefer to leave my CSS formatted as is and shave the k's off images used, etc. Then if I need to hand the stylesheets over to someone they are more usable. Nick -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Constructive Criticism please - NOW IN DISCUSSION
Folks, Discussion of coding practices is all well good, but I think it's getting a bit off topic. If you'd like to continue the discussion, I've setup a thread in the discussion room for it: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/13.htm Please post any further comments there. Thanks. -- Lindsay Evans. WSG Core. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Thursday drinks in Sydney
Hi everyone, Due to the lack of a Sydney meeting this evening, a few of us regulars are planning to hold our own little get-together, discussion will include (among other things): - Just what constitutes a 'standard' drink - The accessibility of the bar area - Usability of the bathroom facilities Where: Ship Inn, Circular Quay (http://www.whereisthepub.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=77) When: 6:30pm, AEDST If you haven't had the (mis)fortune of meeting anyone from the list before, then I'll be the one wearing the MXDU 2003 t-shirt jeans, and most likely have a pint of Guinness in my hand :) So if you happen to be in the Sydney CBD this evening, then come and join us! -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?
Michael Kear wrote: For my own benefit, I have been developing a colour schemer tool, and I've put it on my web site for others to use, comment about, help me improve. Snippety-snip http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/ is the address. (note the Australian COLOUR not the American COLOR) Looks pretty good to me, Mike. One thing I'd suggest: make the form method 'get' instead of 'post', that way people can bookmark, email, etc. the colour scheme easily. Oh, found a bug, too: if I enter a 3 digit hex code (eg. #333), then I get a CF error, might be handy for us lazy CSS folk to put shorthand for colours in :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Dynamically populating stylesheets?
Seona Bellamy wrote: Just to make sure I understand you, Beau, the php code you show is the content of that cssmaker.php that you put in the href? Not sure if I can duplicate that with CF - it's that header bit that is the biggest problem I guess. Does anyone know if there's a similar function in CF? Sure, use the cfheader tag: cfheader name=Content-type value=text/css/ Also, make sure you throw a cfsetting showdebugoutput=no/ so as not to include all the debugging info. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list
Peter Firminger wrote: We could also do other variants: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip/ Is this worth pursuing? Sounds good to me, although I'd be more in favour of something like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] While we're at it... Please make sure you free email account doesn't go over quota. Please don't ever request read receipts (I get most of them rather than you). Also, please temporarily unsubscribe (or is there a 'nomail' option?) from the list if you're going to have one of those annoying 'vacation' messages. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] IE7 fixes CSS glitches for IE
Geoff Bowers wrote: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ IE7 invokes a DHTML behavior to load and parse all style sheets into a form that Explorer can understand. You can then use most CSS2 selectors without having to resort to CSS hacks. Certainly interesting, pity it doesn't validate though: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdean.edwards. name%2Fmy%2Fbehaviors%2Fie7-xml.csswarning=2profile=css2usermedium=all -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags
Kay Smoljak wrote:
does anyone know of any other resources or great
examples?
I may be slightly biased, but I think the centre h2 h3 headings
('Weblog' and 'This is a weblog post') on my as yet unfinished redesign look
pretty good:
http://lindsay.f2o.org/stage/layout.html
There might be something good in CSS Zen Garden (http://csszengarden.com/),
although most of them that I could see used images.
If you're only targetting IE, then you could use WEFT to embed your fonts:
(http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm), but
there isn't an equivalent for Gecko-based browsers :|
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RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags
Universal Head wrote: Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and 'MSSmartTagsPreventParsing' This page: http://vancouver-webpages.com/META/ gives a rather lengthy list, including a lot of proprietary stuff. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Validating pages with password protection?
Justin French wrote: On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 07:28 AM, Martin Chapman wrote: Doh! That was a bit obvious (except for me!) Thanks Anders! A bit obvious, but also ridiculously time consuming on anything more than 2 pages :) You can use wget(http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html) to automate the process. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Image replace or ALT text?
Cameron Adams wrote: It reminded me as to a point I'd thought about regarding background image replacement. Sure, using a ul with visually hidden text and background images for navigation is semantically correct, but wasn't it much better in the old days when you used an actual image with alt text and you knew what something was even before it loaded. Especially important for navigation items. Interesting, I'd never thought of the drawbacks of the various image replacement techniques in regards to showing text while images load. Personally, I *hate* having images as navigation items, mostly because if (when) the navigation changes, you'll need to create new graphics for it. I usually have a generic background image, with the text part of the nav item as actual text. Obviously this isn't really an option for headers etc. when the client wants some particular font for branding purposes or whatever. As a complete aside - what the hell ever happened to embedded fonts? AFAIK it's still part of the CSS spec, and IE NS4 implemented it pretty well, but Moz seems to have dropped it completely. It seems (to me, anyway) to be the perfect answer - create a downloadable version of whatever crazy font you need, control the letter spacing etc. with CSS, add your gradient/picture of a cat/whatever as a background image, and voila! no need for any of this other text-hiding craziness. Anyway, I think you are probably quite right: if you have a dire need for a bunch of images-as-nav-items, then they would be more usable as images - definitely less semantically correct, possibly even less accessible, but more usable nonetheless. I'm aware of image replacement techniques that also allow you to see text when the image isn't there, but they seem very clumsy, so I'm asking whether the old skool method's usability outweighs its unfashionable unsemanticness. What are some of these techniques? I don't think I've seen any that do that around (not that I've looked very hard, mind you :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Tenth AIMIA Awards announced
Lindsay Evans wrote: WSG Awards? :) Sheesh, didn't notice that TB was still downloading a bunch of emails before I replied :| The Web Standards Awards looks pretty interesting, gives me more incentive to get my redesign finished :) -- Lindsay Evans * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Spot the Error
The irony is just too much: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/02/06/spot_the_err/index.php -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] reply to Safari question
Nick Lo wrote: Here's how to enable it: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629 However, before you get too excited it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers merely refers to it's ability to set the User Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online banking with a bank that doesn't recognise Safari as a viable browser even if it otherwise functions fine. Now you see Safari ...switch... now you see Windows MSIE 6.0, etc., type thing. I'd just like to weigh in here say that I think doing this is *incredibly* counter-productive if you don't also complain to the site in question, if the bank/whatever turns to their stats at the end of the year/month/etc., sees that no-one is using opera/safari/whathaveyou, then they are a lot less likely to take their silly browser detection crap away. If, however, they have a pile of emails from customers telling them that they can't get into their site, then they're a lot more likely to make the change. That said, it's also handy to get into NYT articles without registering (hint, GoogleBot doesn't need to register... :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?
Stephen wrote: Long time listener, first time poster. Hi Stephen :) Is there an easier way (i.e. Shorthand) to declare this type of border (for example)?: border-top: 1px solid #555; border-right: 2px solid #666; border-bottom: 3px solid #777; border-left: 4px solid #888; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 2px 3px 4px; border-color: #555 #666 #777 #888; Is probably as short as it gets. It'd be cool (though even potentially even more confusing) if you could do the following: border: 1px 2px 3px 4px solid #555 #666 #777 #888; (I'd hate to be the one writing parsing rules for that sucker :p) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?
russ weakley wrote: I was wrong! Yeah, but don't worry, I won't rub your nose in it :p PS. Not supported by IE5/mac, probably others?? The westciv chart gives it the all clear, except for partial support in NS4: http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/bg_border_margin _padding.html Just for the hell of it, I whipped up a test page (http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/css/border-color.html), which works fine in MacIE5 for me. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Standardize - simple explanation of web standards
Taco Fleur wrote: Are you sure this is their live site though? I have the feeling I have seen them before a long time ago.. Looks like it's live - it's linked from http://axisfive.net/portfolio.php so I'd imagine it is :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] XSLT Presentation slides
Hi all, If you couldn't make it to the Sydney meeting last night, or were just interested in seeing the XML CSS I used for my presentation, then it's available on my site: http://lindsay.f2o.org/presentations/xxx/default.xml Should be viewable in most modern browsers (check out http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/xml+css/ for a list of browsers that don't support XML+CSS), but to be used as an actual presentation you need to be using Opera 7. Also, check out the DTD for my idea on beating email harvesters :) If you're after more info on XML XSLT, here are a few good sites: http://zvon.org/ http://xml.com/ http://ibm.com/developerworks/xml/ -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Big trouble!
stuart wrote: Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me, http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm Crashes IE 6 5.5 on Windows XP here, no idea why though, sorry. (I just saved the HTML locally had a look - everything was okay, so I'd say it's something in the CSS) Re. the initial page fulll of text, it's most likely the infamous Flash Of Unstyled Content bug: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp hth -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Small bug
Universal Head wrote:
A small bug I can't seem to track down:
http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/
There's padding around the nav links that only appears in Mozilla and
I can't seem to work out why ...
Looks to me like you just need border=0 on the images (or .nav a img
{border: 0;} if you're that way inclined)
Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list
is confidential, right?
Well, considering that the list is archived at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
I'd guess not...
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RE: [WSG] Russ strikes again
Mark Stanton wrote: I swear /. is next. http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259 Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the mighty fine work. heh - Russ Weaklyorial Still no Russ Method though :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] safari and title attr
James Ellis wrote: Anyone know if there is a reason why the title attr doesn't effect some sort of contextual description next to the mouse (e.g a tooltip) but plonks it in the status bar instead? From the horses mouth: Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety of ways. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title Also, Opera 7 displays the title content in the status bar (if you have it visible) in a tooltip, which (IMHO) is kinda annoying for links with title attributes as you have no way of knowing the URL for the link. I wrote a small rant a while back on how stupid displaying things like this in the status bar is, it was mainly about displaying information relevant to menu items though - http://lindsay.f2o.org/blog/read?ObjectID:44; (yes, the semicolon is important) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] OT: multiple IE versions
James Ellis wrote: Hi Ralph I think it's the other way round - Safari works off Konquerer. I doubt MS would want people to run older versions of their products. I think they have enough headaches keeping Winternet Explorer secure.. snip/ Great website! Wonder why MS has never written a KB article on multiple IE Plus the fact that IE is supposedly so tightly integrated with the operating system that it can't be a separate product :) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-204529.html?legacy=cnet -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Site check: Listamatic entry (to-be)
Anton Andreasson wrote: I put it together at: http://standardice.com/experimental/separatecurrent.html ...but I haven't tested in anything more than IE5/Mac or Mozilla 1.2.1 yet. Could someone please email me an IE/Win report of some kind? Browsercam boggs down my modem line and I'm running out of unused mail aliases... ;( IE 6.0.2, 5.01, 5.5, XP Pro: - The 'THREE' part of item three wraps onto the next line on hover Otherwise all good. (Damn I love standalone IE :D) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] webstandards.to
http://webstandards.to/ Seems to be a group in Toronto, CA. A few big names in there, too. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] css question and site test on Mac
One quick point - unrelated to the alignment issue - is the font family
declaration:
{ font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }
Theoretically it is best to put quotes around a font family that includes
white space. So this would be better:
{font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }
And, of course, you should remove the semicolon from after arial black,
otherwise the alternate font-families won't get applied at all.
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RE: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Yeah, I'd tried that before with no luck.
However, I was just fiddling with the code, and for some strange reason it
works.
I think the previous attempt was something like this:
#w a:hover .member
whereas the current one is like so:
#wsg:hover .member {...}
#w a:hover {...}
Bizarre.
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-Original Message-
From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 9:14 AM
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Subject: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Hi LIndsay
What about trying a descendant selector
E.g I've used
.blocka .code
{
color : #ff;
}
.blockb .code
{
color : #ff;
}
So you could try something like
#wsg A:hover
{
...
}
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RE: [WSG] Targeting IE5
If you're talking about content negotiation in the way I think you are (by the values passed to the server in the 'Accept' HTTP header) and not by getting the value of the 'User-Agent' HTTP header, then I'm all for it. One of my recent thoughts was to check if the UA had 'text/xml' or 'application/xhtml+xml' in the Accept header, and sending them back the appropriate mime-type for XHTML, while everyone else gets text/html. I'd even thought of going to the length of using PHP's output buffering to rewrite the XHTML into HTML4 for the text/html version so that it's totally valid, but that just seems like way too much work for so little gain :) (also, the W3C validator doesn't send an Accept header, so it would be getting HTML4 - still valid, but not exactly ideal to say a site is valid XHTML then have the W3C say it's HTML4 :)) To me, this doesn't seem like a hack at all, it is exactly what the Accept header is for - serving up different content types depending on what the browser (says) it supports. I'm sure you could also do the same with XML, and either send XML plus a stylesheet to UAs that support it, and do a server-side transform to HTML for those that don't (There are probably a number of flaws in this though (probably the biggest being that you'd have to write two versions of your presentation code), and I'll be stuufed if I can think of a single reason *to* do it apart from the 'hey, cool, I can do it' factor) /me should get back to work now... -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au -Original Message- From: Ben Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 10:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Targeting IE5 I would have thought the best way to target a browser (be it IE5 or other) was content negotiation. Detect the browser and serve content in the appropriate format. Does anyone else get the feeling this technique is rarely used whilst cruder methods proliferate? IMHO, web servers can do a lot more than just serve files and should be exploited for all they are worth - and that's plenty. I feel this cornerstone of the web is oft overlooked, much to the detriment of the online experience when cruder technologies are called on to compensate. Maybe it's just too difficult for developers to get access to webserver configuration, or too tedious to produce content in multiple formats? Gotta weight that against the time and effort we've all invested in workarounds and hacks though ... The right tool for the job. One can't solve every problem with a hammer. cheers Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Font support chart?
You can try the Code Style Font Sampler: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml 'Standard' is a funny term for fonts, too, as things like Office IE install heaps of additional fonts. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au -Original Message- From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 11:36 AM To: Sydney Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG]Font support chart? Does anyone know of a font support chart that lists which fonts are standard on which platforms? Maybe Russ could quickly knock up a Font-o-matic? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
