Re: [WSG] which programming or web development tools which works well with jaws
You might want to look at Lynx as well. http://lynx.isc.org Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 19/08/2011, at 7:53 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. well enrolling in a diploma in website development. and developing a website. now what web site development tools, and which programming tools which works best with Jaws? visual basic, visual web developer, c#, dream weaver, vs 2008, or 2010. which works best with jaws? marvin. ps: will take your more expertise in this area. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] major web site project
What sort of web server will it go on to? If it's a Linux hosting account you'll want to grab yourself a copy of Ubuntu or Fedora to test it on. Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 02/08/2011, at 9:56 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. looking for some inpsiration and some ideas. i am enrolling in a diploma in web site development. using a major project, for my web site design course. and need to build a database, content management system, and probably programming in visual basic, visual web developer, php, droople. so any one got any ideas, or suggestion, i could let my head teacher know, what type of major project. and i use jaws for windows 12, on windows vista home premium, but looking to install windows 7. and visual studio professional 2010, microsoft project 2010. so any one got any suggestions. i did throw him a couple of ideas, my star trek site that i am rebuilding and extend, or a disability database. any ideas and suggestions would be welcome for a major project. marvin, from devonport, tasmania, australia. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for Melbourne based web developers
I'm interested to hear about the details. Please send me an email. Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 11/05/2011, at 12:34 PM, Stefan Willoughby s...@w3d.com.au wrote: Looking for recommendations for web developers (Pref in Melbourne) for some Gov work. I know plenty of places for high end design work, but just need HTML, CSS and jQuery. I have more work that I can deal with at the moment. Cheers Stefan Willoughby (Bureau of Meteorology) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Testing on Windows 7
Thanks for that Have a good day. -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 7:34 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: Well I am not exactly saying that as I would test ie6 ie7 on XP and ie8 on windows 7. It really depends on your clients, the site etc. But I really would expect any material differences between the same non-ie browser and version on XP and windows 7. Maybe schedule some brief testing until you feel confident? You will need to use XP for ie6 and ie7 testing anyway. Hope this helps. Steve Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 10:11, Peter Mount i...@petermount.com wrote: Hi I just want to know if there is a need to test in both Windows XP and Windows 7 i.e. if there is a need to schedule additional OS version testing. I take it from your reply it's good enough just to test in Windows 7, without testing in Windows XP as well. Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 6:54 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: I haven't noticed anything in firefox or chrome when the same version is used. Nothing big enough to make me wonder if a client would try to suggest it was a bug in the site. Of course this is somewhat immaterial as you wouldn't be able to solve anything caused by OS version subtle differences and I would say there will be more obvious differences between Windows, Mac and Linux. I gave up long ago trying to make sites photographically identical across browsers let alone OS. Are you asking in case you need to schedule additional OS version testing? Steve Gibbings Web designer Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 09:28, Peter Mount i...@petermount.com wrote: Hi I'm just asking in general. I just want do know if there's any difference in any of the currently used web browsers. Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com On 11/04/2010, at 6:06 PM, st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote: I have windows 7 and XP running on VMWare player. What browser and version are we talking about and do you have a site that exhibits a difference? I can take a look and let you know. Steve Gibbings Web designer Developer www.stevegibbingsdesign.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2010, at 07:05, Peter Mount i...@petermount.com wrote: Hi Has anybody noticed differences in web browser testing on Windows 7 compared to Windows XP? Or do web sites show up the same on Windows 7 as they would on Windows XP? Thanks -- Peter Mount i...@petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] lost my web projects
Have you tried Knoppix Linux? It is a live distro that you can boot from the optical drive and it might help you see your files. Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 04/03/2010, at 6:58 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. please read the message below. lost my web projects. corrupted hard disk crash with my toshiba. had to set it back to factory default. so got a external hard disk now. but my question is: is there any accessible recovery software where i could get my web projects, and other data back, like web projects, important documents, music. etc. cheers Marvin. Hi. okay. i am a blind computing student. i use the jaws for windows screen reader software. from http://www.freedomscientific.com well this is what i did on febuary 4. i was uninstalling sql server, as was having a problem. as i am doing a star trek application using visual web developer and sql server. a blind friend programmer who was helping me out. said i needed to stop all administrator services. so had accidently turned off system restore, turned it back on. i have a toshiba satellite a300 psagra 48056630Q model. now, selected my s c: drive. and not the toshiba hidden volume. selected a time back the previous day. clicked next, and system restore. jaws speaks all text on the screen and i use the keyboard to navigate. using windows vista home premium. 2 gb ram, 2.1 ghz processor, 250 gb hard disk, ati radium card, real tech audio manager, jaws 11.0.756u. Now heard a clunk, clunk sound. when i rebooted the machine. and the next day my dad read what was on screen. said the hard disk particion corrupted. so had to reset it back to factory default. did not have a external hard disk. i do now. but have lost all my important documents, college projects, contacts,music, etc. so is there any way to get the data back. have been installing and uninstalling software. i had the music in the music folder under Marvin. and my main folder was called c:\Docs. where i had a lot of folders, Marvins Web Site, Tafe, etc. current articles, Star Trek Project, Test Site for visual web developer. Mingw, a c++ application. I cannot be with out my laptop. Hoping to start online learning, also seeking employment and looking for employment. This is my main machine for information, projects, and entertainment. Like listening to sport on radio stations on the net, getting information, listening to pod casts about blindness,adaptive technology, etc. So if you can help me out. would like to do it my self if possible. So any software. tried 2 or 3, demo versions, but not either accessible. Or the trial version would let me preview files, but not recover, unless i purchased the full version. I do not have a credit card. So can you help me. cannot be without my machine. Was working on updating a few student web projects. Lost Them all. Or because i have installed, uninstalled, and written to the hard disk. is it gone forever? Marvin. ps: Have got a external hard disk now and do regular backups. I live in Devonport, Tasmania. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
Jason, I would not feel comfortable working for a client with such disregard for accessibility. To extend your argument if the client asks me to break the law does that make it OK? There is a real business need to have even intranet systems that are accessible. As for your assertion in the following line: If nothing else I think I have sparked up a healthy debate about accessibility whether I am right or wrong. I think there is a difference between sparking healthy debate and being a troll. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 31/01/2010, at 3:57 AM, Jason Grant wrote: @Peter Mount To some extent we are playing with fire developing however we are developing. Sometimes (within Intranet systems specially) we are specifically told by the client to develop for IE6/IE7 and not care about other browsers as the client is trying to save cash on testing (dev and UAT) and so on. Bottom line, there are circumstances within which 'playing with fire' is what the client wants. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
Jason your subject line is Accessibility does not matter!. If you're going to make a statement like that then I suggest you make a list of real world examples to back up your claim. Plus how can an app be useable if some people don't find it accessible? That is the flaw in your argument and it is a huge flaw. You are implying that an app can achieve greater usability by using features which in turn deny access to those users who can't use those features. How does this increased usability benefit those people who can't use it? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 31/01/2010, at 12:16 PM, Jason Grant wrote: @Thierry I don't see how breaking a wrist has much to do with accessibility? My article does not say 'break all accessibility rules' if you can. It basically tries to say that a given advanced app solution (such as Google Calendar) requires JavaScript support to work in a semi-meaningful way. This fact usually impacts users accessing the site/app with some sort of an assistive technology or a technology with shitty JavaScript support (I used BlackBerry Bold 9000 as an example of common tool used to access the app I am currently working on). From UXD point of view we want to provide target users with highest level of usability through devices they are using. That way we increase profit and ROI. Under WCAG1.0 we would be coding for 'universal accessibility' and maybe degrade overall usability of the solution, while not providing optimal support for BlackBerry (as a scenario). This is all to do with lack of resources (time, money, skills, etc.). My argument is that 'high selective accessibility' is better than 'regular universal accessibility' if that sum-up makes any sense. This is all driven by the nature of highly varied user agents on the market now, compared to what was the case some 5 years ago even. Hope this makes sense. So I am by no means against as high accessibility as possible, but I think that evaluation of 'high accessibility' needs to be approached from a clever, business angle. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! So, what are you getting at? Yes, let's make the intranet completely inaccessible and just wait until an employee with disabilities gets hired, then redo it all? Also, an employee with no disability today could have one tomorrow. @Thierry Koblentz 'Could' is not something we should be developing for. We need to know who we are developing for, As I suggested in my post, ignoring accessibility pretending you know your audience is a mistake. Because any user can become disabled one way or the other (because of a broken wrist for example). otherwise it's a bit of a hit and miss. I'd say narrowing your target audience increases your chances of missing. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
So lack of time is an excuse we can use for not using accessibility from the start? How convenient we can use that excuse for not helping potential users. Besides, every email in this thread has the title Accessibility does not matter! with the !. Interesting you can't envisage anybody needing accessibility in your target audience. What methodology did you user to determine that? Did you allow for any variables on that in the future or are you assuming nobody is going to get injured or sick or even need to start wearing eye glasses? With the following paragraph: Just to clarify, the tool will work perfectly with JS on, while it will still work without JS on, but the experience will be very poor in my estimation (so it would still be possible to use it, but a blind person would not enjoy using this at all I would say). What are you saying? It seems like you are sitting on the fence in your argument. If you're going to say Accessibility does not matter!, with the !, I'd like some more solid evidence to back up your statement. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 31/01/2010, at 1:07 PM, Jason Grant wrote: @Peter Title of my article is 'Accessibility does not matter?' (the question mark is very intentional there). To address your second point I will go back to the app I am currently developing. It needs a lot of JavaScript to improve usability of the tool and a progressively enhanced solution would be so far from the JavaScript solution that in reality they are like 2 different implementations of the tool. Considering this tool has already taken me 10 solid days of coding (in my spare time) without following the full progressive enhancement route and I have another 20 days solid left in order to finish the Alpha version, while I cannot envisage this tool being used by a person with a non-JS support browser. Why should I spend time coding a progressively enhanced solution for this when I don't see this tool ever being used by a disabled person of any sort? Just to clarify, the tool will work perfectly with JS on, while it will still work without JS on, but the experience will be very poor in my estimation (so it would still be possible to use it, but a blind person would not enjoy using this at all I would say). On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Peter Mount i...@petermount.com wrote: Jason your subject line is Accessibility does not matter!. If you're going to make a statement like that then I suggest you make a list of real world examples to back up your claim. Plus how can an app be useable if some people don't find it accessible? That is the flaw in your argument and it is a huge flaw. You are implying that an app can achieve greater usability by using features which in turn deny access to those users who can't use those features. How does this increased usability benefit those people who can't use it? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 31/01/2010, at 12:16 PM, Jason Grant wrote: @Thierry I don't see how breaking a wrist has much to do with accessibility? My article does not say 'break all accessibility rules' if you can. It basically tries to say that a given advanced app solution (such as Google Calendar) requires JavaScript support to work in a semi-meaningful way. This fact usually impacts users accessing the site/app with some sort of an assistive technology or a technology with shitty JavaScript support (I used BlackBerry Bold 9000 as an example of common tool used to access the app I am currently working on). From UXD point of view we want to provide target users with highest level of usability through devices they are using. That way we increase profit and ROI. Under WCAG1.0 we would be coding for 'universal accessibility' and maybe degrade overall usability of the solution, while not providing optimal support for BlackBerry (as a scenario). This is all to do with lack of resources (time, money, skills, etc.). My argument is that 'high selective accessibility' is better than 'regular universal accessibility' if that sum-up makes any sense. This is all driven by the nature of highly varied user agents on the market now, compared to what was the case some 5 years ago even. Hope this makes sense. So I am by no means against as high accessibility as possible, but I think that evaluation of 'high accessibility' needs to be approached from a clever, business angle. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote: From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! So, what are you getting at? Yes, let's make the intranet
Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!
After reading the article myself I agree Jason is wrong. Even with closed systems like intranets you're playing with fire if you don't have regard for accessibility. I haven't been posting to this list very much lately but I just had to say something about this. Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 30/01/2010, at 9:46 AM, Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.com wrote: At 1/29/2010 06:09 AM, Jason Grant wrote: I feel there has been LOADS of 'accessibility is a must' type discussion on this list, but at the same time I feel that there is loads of arguments which are essentially 'accessibility for the sake of accessibility'. My point is that we are heading towards the times where 'relevant accessibility' is more important than 'accessibility' per se. Please have a read of my article and comment via email or on the blog itself. http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/accessibility-does-not-matter/ Sorry, Jason, but your essay is so poorly thought out and poorly written that you've given critical readers little to work with. You're just throwing a cat into a dog pen to watch the fun, and it's not even a real cat. If you really think there are types of websites in which accessibility concerns are irrelevant, list or describe them, but really all you're doing is exposing your own lack of broad, deep, and empathetic thinking. When accessibility matters ... * A company cares about their users You could have stopped right there. Glumly, Paul *** List Guidelines:http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Testing in IE7 both Win XP and Vista
So as I'm specifying font families in the css it shouldn't be an issue then if I only test for IE7 in Vista and not in Windows XP as well. Thanks -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com On 16/03/2009, at 9:07 PM, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote: The only difference that you are likely to see is going to be due to a different set of default fonts - iirc a few more were introduced with Vista. Regards, Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Testing in IE7 both Win XP and Vista
Hello Is it necessary to test web sites in IE7 on both Win XP and Vista? Or is it good enough to just test in IE7 on Vista? I'm just worried about IE7 rendering differently on Win XP compared to Vista. Thanks -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 i...@petermount.com http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)
Sorry, I'll have to take note of that point if I reference that article again. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 25/11/2008, at 12:26 PM, rch lib wrote: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! ... Things change ... yes, well, I do realise that. The point is, that a newbie was directed to this resource, and it's clearly outdated (and it made me do a double-take when I read it). I didn't want her to go there, read that, and go what the . So I was just making sure it was noted. lib. At 06:07 PM 24/11/2008 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM, rch lib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I took a look at that Drew Mclellan article. He says: Step 3: Future-proof your site with XHTML HTML has reached the end of its life and is no longer being developed as a mark-up language. Its replacement is Extensible HTML (XHTML)—an implementation of XML that works in all browsers, old and new. Even though XHTML is strict XML, its tags and attributes are so similar to HTML that old browsers do not spot the difference. Using XML is advantageous because it's a modern, future-proof standard. Is that correct?? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)
Sorry, I'll have to make mention of that point next time I reference it. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 25/11/2008, at 12:26 PM, rch lib wrote: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! ... Things change ... yes, well, I do realise that. The point is, that a newbie was directed to this resource, and it's clearly outdated (and it made me do a double-take when I read it). I didn't want her to go there, read that, and go what the . So I was just making sure it was noted. lib. At 06:07 PM 24/11/2008 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM, rch lib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I took a look at that Drew Mclellan article. He says: Step 3: Future-proof your site with XHTML HTML has reached the end of its life and is no longer being developed as a mark-up language. Its replacement is Extensible HTML (XHTML)—an implementation of XML that works in all browsers, old and new. Even though XHTML is strict XML, its tags and attributes are so similar to HTML that old browsers do not spot the difference. Using XML is advantageous because it's a modern, future-proof standard. Is that correct?? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Attempt
Hi What's the url? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 9:55 PM, kate wrote: Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on WinXP I have yet to get to grips with CSS yet but learning as I go along. Thanks Kate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Sorry Link
Hi You might want to look at this tutorial by Drew Mclellan at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/extreme/five_steps.html You don't need DreamWeaver to do it. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 10:00 PM, kate wrote: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Thanks, sorry I forgot the link in my earlier mail. Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Online WSG Mail Archive
Hi Is the online wsg mail archive good enough to use instead of having all the emails sent to the email program? I've currently got well over 5000 emails in Mail on Leopard and I think that's too much. Is it easy to find things and maybe bookmark them on the online wsg mail archive? Thanks -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Sorry, I didn't know that :-) -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com Andrew Boyd wrote: Peter, Jessica has been designing forms for years and seems (based on my observations) to have a fair handle on web standards/accessibility and form coding without tools. I guess that rather than beginner advice she was after a way to code them using tools in a standards compliant way, but I will leave this to her to confirm :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Jessica Enders wrote: Hi all I was wondering what WYSIWYG electronic (web and other) forms building software would you recommend or avoid? I'm interested in experience with Form Assembly, in particular. The sorts of things I'm interested in feedback on include Wufoo, Icebrrg, SurveyMonkey, Zoomerang, QuestionPro, Vovici, FormSite, ColdFusion, InfoPath, Adobe LiveCycle and SnapForm. Thanks in anticipation, Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] This IE8 controversy
Hi I just like to ask if it might be possible to turn off this version freezing thing in IE8, maybe with some markup or something. I agree with Drew Mclellan when he said in his blog that old browsers must die. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers
Avi Miller wrote: Even if you are a hardcore gamer, the Mac is a better platform. Booting Windows via Boot Camp is native, and the hardware in the MacBook Pro (for laptops), iMac or Mac Pro (for desktops) is pretty kick-ass. :) cYa, Avi --MySource Matrix Product Evangelist Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London / 2/340 Gore Street T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 3202 W: http://www.squiz.net/ . Open Source - Own it - Squiz.net ./ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thanks for all the replies. I suppose developing on a Mac is the best way to develop for a Mac Browser. I can't trust Windows for anything important (apart from testing) anymore anyway. I'm not a hardcore gamer so I can look at the Mac Mini or Macbook as well. I'll see what my wallet says in a few months. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers
Joe Ortenzi wrote: There will be a new announcement this week, I'm sure, so hold on to your hats for the moment, but coming this week there is sure to be a god deal on Intel MacsBooks and Minis. Will the atheists have a good deal too? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers
Hi I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that. Is there a difference between Mac versions of browsers like Firefox and Safari or can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect my web sites to behave the same on the Mac? Currently my main OS is Kubuntu but I'll soon be trialling Red Hat Desktop 5 Multi OS. Thanks -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
