Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Hi, Just tabbed through the page and the login form are the very last elements on the page to be hit, needs a lower tab-index, not very nice in terms of accessibility. cheers Luke Stewart Griffiths wrote: Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o) Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again look at updating. Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff. Stew 2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com mailto:bhawkesle...@googlemail.com On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Thanks all, Stew -- Forwarded message -- From: russ - maxdesign r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: 2009/1/9 Subject: Re: website review To: Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com Hi Stewart, Sounds fine, as long as you phrase your request clearly to the group ie, what you are asking them to review. Good luck with the launch! Thanks Russ --- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/russweakley Slideshare: http://www.slideshare.net/maxdesign/ --- on 10/1/09 12:33 AM, Stewart Griffiths at wrote: Peter, Russ, I see that the list allows website reviews. We are just about to launch a new forum and would like to ask the group their opinion. However, the site is a web design and development forum and I did not want to send it around without contacting you first, as it may be misconstrued as selfless promotion. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Stew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Design, Development, Coffee ...? - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and the login form. As it is, it's very awkward. Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc. Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Thanks Chris, we will look at that now. Stew 2009/1/16 Christian Montoya siro...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and the login form. As it is, it's very awkward. Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc. Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. In the header I see Design, Development, Coffee [something that breaks to the next line and is hidden behind the nav bar] +1 Benjamin's comments Subjectively: underwhelmed by the level of professionalism in a site apparently aimed at pros (but I do still dream that pro might be short for proficient, not just professional. Sadly it seems to me that in this field the word professional is applied in the loosest possible sense. (Bear with me, this next is NOT an attack on you, or your site - you have at least had the humility and good sense to ask this group's opinion) but it seems to me that mercenary hack is far too often the more appropriate term. OK rant over, w/ apologies to all... Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o) Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again look at updating. Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff. Stew 2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Since the only reply to my query about the practice of hiding link targets was from Olajide Olaolorun himself It is from Google. My host requires me to put it there in exchange for the free hosting :) It must be that everyone accepts it. John Cherry. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
It must be that everyone accepts it. Maybe... Although I doubt it. I don't like sites that interfere with my normal browser settings. I often look at the status bar before clicking on a link. If the target is hidden, it's probably not worth visiting. Luckily this particular nuisance is a non-issue for me with Firefox. I have it set to not allow scripts to hide the status bar or change status bar text, resize windows, etc. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
I also hate hideen links but those links are from Google and it is a JS script which i have no idea how it is generated or how to make it as a popup i hate it because when it is clicked it navigates away from the website. Thangs Guys... :) On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:04:54 +0800, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It must be that everyone accepts it. Maybe... Although I doubt it. I don't like sites that interfere with my normal browser settings. I often look at the status bar before clicking on a link. If the target is hidden, it's probably not worth visiting. Luckily this particular nuisance is a non-issue for me with Firefox. I have it set to not allow scripts to hide the status bar or change status bar text, resize windows, etc. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
It is from Google. My host requires me to put it there in exchange for the free hosting :) On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:13:09 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I get some opinions on the practice of hiding link targets? When I hover near the sponsored links in http://www.uniformserver.com/ the target of the link doesn't appear in the status bar. I'm not really complaining about this particular site, but I tried something similar a while ago, with a bit of Javascript, and then realised it might be construed as concealing something from the surfer. I found it irritating that a link could take me to somewhere I don't want to go. Is it a good practice? -- John. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review (prose.code215)
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:39:15 +1100, Johnno Shadbolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, ... And I must say, I like the results (www.prose.code215.com). ... What do you think? Safari 1.2 seems happy(static), but IE5.2 does not http://www.dlaakso.com/2524410.jpg. In XP_SP2 IE6.0/FF1.0.1/Opera7.54u2 I get a little page shift on pages not deep enough to draw a scroll bar. The font-size toggle seems to work: however I had no luck with the background toggle. IE and FF render blue, underlined, links-- Opera renders neither. A little difficult bringing it up in FF-- got a 403/404 error first couple of times (inline styles?). Would some lead make the prose easier to read? Best, ~david -- de gustibus non est disputandum http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Website Review
Can you please review http://www.uniformserver.com and tell me what you think? I would love to hear from you all... Thanks -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can you please review http://www.uniformserver.com and tell me what you think? I would love to hear from you all... Thanks On my Mac OS 9.2.2, in NN7, everything looks good except the sponsored links, which are not liquid - if the browser window is narrowed, they spill out the right side, while everything else adjusts. On IE5.2, I'm afraid everything below the sponsored links scoots south, as though the sponsored links had a huge margin-bottom. The Ads by Google is cut off vertically. Hope this is of some help. I'll check it in OS 10.3 when I reboot. Wendy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Hi, Just a comment on layout; When I went to the website, I immediately took an interest in the package and wanted to go to a download page, but I actually had difficulty locating it, which then raised my suspicions that it was still under development, especially when I went to 'Status' menu item, which has Uniform Server Development Status as the main heading in the content area. I would suggest bumping in a new heading like Current version x.x available for download, with a sentance or two, including its release date (always promote your release date!) and the link over to sourceforge. Put this both on the homepage, and in the status page. Using some more graphics like Download version x.x now would also aid this. Perhaps it was due to the fact there are three menus, and on the homepage they're all shouting I am the most important menu. Anyway, now that I did find the download link, I am keen on trialing it :P Siggy - Original Message - From: Olajide Olaolorun [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [WSG] Website Review Can you please review http://www.uniformserver.com and tell me what you think? I would love to hear from you all... Thanks -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Thanks Wendy and Sigurd. Wendy - Yes, it is true. The Google Ads spoild everything but i have no choice in it because my host requires it. I hate ads! I think they bring down the quality of websites but what can i do when i get full free hosing and the whole 9 yards for just the Google Ads on the website :D Sigurd - True, I also noticed that and will fix it. I will add an image, a Download image on the main page for people to easily see it :) -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Can I get some opinions on the practice of hiding link targets? When I hover near the sponsored links in http://www.uniformserver.com/ the target of the link doesn't appear in the status bar. I'm not really complaining about this particular site, but I tried something similar a while ago, with a bit of Javascript, and then realised it might be construed as concealing something from the surfer. I found it irritating that a link could take me to somewhere I don't want to go. Is it a good practice? -- John. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Website Review (prose.code215)
Hello, I've had some free time over the past couple of days, so I thought why not make a simple website, with a minimalistic design, just for kicks. And I must say, I like the results (www.prose.code215.com). I've tested it on a few browsers: Internet Explorer 6, Opera 6, Firefox 1, Netscape 7, Lynx Text Browser (all on Windows), and all show it perfectly. I can't really find any bugs, but i'm sure there are some when using a Mac. What do you think? -- Johnno Shadbolt Web Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.code215.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Website Review - BRAZILIAN Portal
Hi. I did some fixes, after you comments. http://www.meucarronoov.com.br Please, i would appreciate more suggestions. Thank tou. Genau Jr Webdesigner ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
