Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Hi, Just tabbed through the page and the login form are the very last elements on the page to be hit, needs a lower tab-index, not very nice in terms of accessibility. cheers Luke Stewart Griffiths wrote: Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o) Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again look at updating. Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff. Stew 2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com mailto:bhawkesle...@googlemail.com On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Thanks all, Stew -- Forwarded message -- From: russ - maxdesign r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: 2009/1/9 Subject: Re: website review To: Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com Hi Stewart, Sounds fine, as long as you phrase your request clearly to the group ie, what you are asking them to review. Good luck with the launch! Thanks Russ --- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: r...@maxdesign.com.au Skype: russ-maxdesign MSN: r...@maxdesign.com.au Website: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/ Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/russweakley Slideshare: http://www.slideshare.net/maxdesign/ --- on 10/1/09 12:33 AM, Stewart Griffiths at wrote: Peter, Russ, I see that the list allows website reviews. We are just about to launch a new forum and would like to ask the group their opinion. However, the site is a web design and development forum and I did not want to send it around without contacting you first, as it may be misconstrued as selfless promotion. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Stew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Design, Development, Coffee ...? - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and the login form. As it is, it's very awkward. Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc. Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Thanks Chris, we will look at that now. Stew 2009/1/16 Christian Montoya siro...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote: All, Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and the login form. As it is, it's very awkward. Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc. Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. In the header I see Design, Development, Coffee [something that breaks to the next line and is hidden behind the nav bar] +1 Benjamin's comments Subjectively: underwhelmed by the level of professionalism in a site apparently aimed at pros (but I do still dream that pro might be short for proficient, not just professional. Sadly it seems to me that in this field the word professional is applied in the loosest possible sense. (Bear with me, this next is NOT an attack on you, or your site - you have at least had the humility and good sense to ask this group's opinion) but it seems to me that mercenary hack is far too often the more appropriate term. OK rant over, w/ apologies to all... Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o) Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again look at updating. Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff. Stew 2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
