[WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?
Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we¹ve been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?
Thanks everyone for your responses! I'd never heard of them before - they obviously haven't had a presence at UQ to date. Looks like I (and my department) will be getting involved, which is great! Cheers susie On 11/4/07 11:54 AM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susie, Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ... http://www.wanau.org/site.html They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :) I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback! WANAU has been around for a few years now and the forums are great. Of course I may be biased since I ran the 2005 forum at Griffith ;) Basically WANAU is there to connect university-based web professionals and allow knowledge sharing, events, etc. Universities have accessibility challenges which often require different approaches than those encountered in the commercial sector; so WANAU provides a great way to get people together to discuss the issues. Well worth being involved if you're a web professional at a uni! :) cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Help needed
Hi there I¹ve got a problem with a page I¹m having to do in a hurry! Site has to go live and be demo¹d at a launch on Monday ... I only got the content, graphic layout etc. a couple of days ago. (And it¹s an official university sub-site so I¹m forced to use some of their code (tables?!!) and styles in part of it.) Anyway, my problem is well 3 things. 1. In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level link¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m doing wrong here? 2. And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK. 3. I also can¹t see why the foot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer. http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/Trials/TEDICDIP/index.html I know the stylesheet (styles2.css) is a mess. I based it on an old one for another site and probably shouldn¹t. But it¹s panic stations all round! I don¹t think anything from the imported UQ stylesheet is causing a problem, but ... Anyway, if anyone could see what is causing that problem, I¹d be very grateful!! (I¹m highly embarrassed to expose such a mess, but needs must!!) - susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m doing wrong here? Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... 2. And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK. I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... 3. I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer. I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help needed
Thanks John. I found the errant */ and the footer is working as it should, so thanks for that. I don't know where my brain is this afternoon - frozen up I think! Would you mind explaining what the fixes actually are? If I give the anchor (link) styles a width, I'm not clear how to do that and make it accurate. Whatever I've tried has taken the bg colour out further than the navbar, and hasn't made any difference to the jumping. And what would the code be for a hasLayout issue? I haven't come across that before ... - susie On 11/5/07 1:27 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer problem, remove */ from just above /* FOOTER STYLE */ - it's closing a comment that's not opened. On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the anchors a dimension. No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ... snip I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent. Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ... snip I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS. It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ... :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE6 problem
Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem! Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?! - susie On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and that's what she said. Obviously something else for her! And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!) However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!) Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong? And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not clickable? - susie On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in the left nav are clickable. You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each textarea should be in a label tag instead. On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
Thanks Sam ...
I guess I'll leave my (br clear all) fix on the page but hopefully will
remember about your suggestion for another time!
Calendar is clickable for me too on Mac (Firefox and Safari) and PC (IE7).
Not sure about IE6 though ... I feel sure there must be some conditional
comments fix for that, but god knows what!!
Thanks for your response ... :)
Cheers
susie
On 14/5/07 12:39 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
and always when you least need it :)
you could try
textarea {
margin-left: -200px; /* though this would be best in an IE-fixit.css
stylesheet using ie conditional comments */
width: 70%;
height: 12em;
font-family: helvetica, arial, geneva, sans-serif;
}
and the calendar is clickable for me in both firefox and inferior explorer
of course - someone may propose a more appropriate solution.
- S
On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and
that's what she said. Obviously something else for her!
And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!)
However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the
textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may
I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong?
And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not
clickable?
- susie
On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the
same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems
in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not
with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in
the left nav are clickable.
You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per
fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each
textarea should be in a label tag instead.
On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi again
Still on the same website ...
Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting
till
after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine
in
IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages
concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top
of
the content area.
Example pages:
http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
Or
http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html
Anyone know what the fix is for this?
I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the
individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget
them
if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!
Cheers
susie
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
No, sorry, that wasn¹t what I meant. (Unclear I know!) When you¹re on the calendar pages there are links in a level 2 menu GIFs, TIPs and Cultural Calendar. I think that John was meaning that those links weren¹t clickable. (But maybe I¹m wrong?!) They work for me as I said, but ... http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html - susie On 14/5/07 12:58 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works fine in ff, opera ie on windows 2000 I click the beige links and get pdf's - S On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem! Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?! - susie On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and that's what she said. Obviously something else for her! And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!) However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!) Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong? And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not clickable? - susie On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in the left nav are clickable. You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each textarea should be in a label tag instead. On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem
Guys! You are wonderful!! I would never have thought of that and still have no idea why that would make a difference! I¹ve changed it on the site and it¹s fine in IE7. If you want to give it one last look in IE6 that¹d be wonderful (but I am sure I can find someone somewhere here at UQ with IE6 if you can¹t!) Thank you so much!! - susie On 14/5/07 1:43 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, for me too. sorry to say. However other pages are ok. also removing the image (for me in ie6) gets the first link (and not the others) working. and I'd have to say that that has me beat. and after further investigation removing the margin-bottom: -10px gets it working - S On 14/05/07, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the links on the calendar that don't work - it's the links in the left nav. Not sure why but it's something to do with the h2 because taking it out fixes the problem. On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:58:37 +1000, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works fine in ff, opera ie on windows 2000 I click the beige links and get pdf's - S On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem! Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?! - susie On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and that's what she said. Obviously something else for her! And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!) However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!) Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong? And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not clickable? - susie On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the same place in FF IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in the left nav are clickable. You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each textarea should be in a label tag instead. On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again Still on the same website ... Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till after the end of the leftnav div ie. Further down the page. It is fine in IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of the content area. Example pages: http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html Or http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html Anyone know what the fix is for this? I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design
Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
Hi there Kepler
Thank you!
I believe it¹s OK now.
I would really like to ask you how you know all this how you keep it in
your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written down, or
what?!!!
For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
container div need to be position: relative² for IE7? And what if there
wasn¹t a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!
I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things known¹ to me!
I¹ve got a quite good book The CSS Anthology, by Rachel Andrews. But it¹s
pre-IE7 ...
Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!
Thanks again ... :)
- susie
On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Susan,
To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
container as position: relative:
#container {
position: relative;
}
Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you define
It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
#leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited { /* instead of #leftNav a */
#level2nav a:link, #level2nav a:visited {/* instead of #level2nav li a
*/
Regards,
Kepler
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general
Sigh ... !!!
Well, apart from that -
Thanks for the link. That looks really useful!
Cheers
susie
On 15/5/07 9:32 AM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am like you merely trying to keep a grasp of the situation
I have glanced over this article today
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/10/70-expert-ideas-for-better-css-codi
ng/
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/10/70-expert-ideas-for-better-css-cod
ing/
featuring some ideas from Rachel Andrews.
and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its still not clickable in IE6
- S
On 15/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there Kepler
Thank you!
I believe it's OK now.
I would really like to ask you how you know all this how you keep it in
your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written down, or
what?!!!
For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
container div need to be 'position: relative for IE7? And what if there
wasn't a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!
I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things 'known' to me!
I've got a quite good book The CSS Anthology, by Rachel Andrews. But it's
pre-IE7 ...
Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!
Thanks again ... :)
- susie
On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Susan,
To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
container as position: relative:
#container {
position: relative;
}
Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you define
It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
#leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited { /* instead of #leftNav a */
#level2nav a:link, #level2nav a:visited {/* instead of #level2nav li
a */
Regards,
Kepler
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Re: [WSG] Mocking up web interfaces
Photoshop ... :) I do use Fireworks sometimes, but know Photoshop better. - susie On 24/5/07 9:22 AM, Douglas Reith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site designs in? (Photoshop?) Also, if possible, Linux and GPL or similar would be great!! Cheers, Doug *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? It¹d be a great solution for a current problem where I¹m trying to update an oldish website to be more accessible. I¹ve got a Flash animation that¹s a list of (6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, disadvantage, strategy) that are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 in total). I was going to convert it to a table but maybe I could leave it as the Flash animation and have a longdesc link? Any thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Ah well, for a minute there I got quite excited!! Should have realised I'd already know about this if it was a real possibility!! Thanks for all the info ... :) - susie On 4/2/08 12:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first reason why you couldn't... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3 Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element itself. P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Unobtrusive JavaScript (was: generate data)
Hi Chris Thought I'd let you know - I looked at your web page and the first two examples, when I clicked on the link, didn't work for me at all! No extra paragraph appearing (or disappearing!) and no time change. I'm on a Mac using Firefox 2.0.0.12 ... It sounds good - I'd like to access a version that works ... :) Cheers susie On 26/2/08 8:16 PM, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've written a small set of helper functions that will allow you to unobtrusively add JavaScript to a web page. It's built on the back off the prototype library so you'll need that as well. See the details here: http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/projects/performer/performer.html A couple of examples. 1) If you want to create a toggling element you can do this: pa href=# class=togger rel=toggleelementToggle the visibility of the toggleelement element/a/p div class=hider id=toggleelementThis element will be toggleable (is that a word?)/div The hider class on the toggleable element will hide the element only if JS is enabled, so if it's not the element will never be hidden. Of course you can add additional classes both to the link and the toggleable element, and you can set the href attribute of the link to whatever you want. 2) Loading remote content into an element (known as AJAX) pa href=# class=loader rel=targetelement rev=targetpage.phpLoad content/a/p p id=targetelementTarget element/p When the link with class loader is clicked the element with the id targetelement will be filled with the content from the targetpage.php page. If anyone needs any more information please get in touch. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Leventhal Sent: 25 February 2008 20:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] re: generate data tee wrote: Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses from Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question. I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a buzzword to me because I understand no JS. Can one recommend which JS library is more accessibility user-friendly (is there such word?!). I know the jquery, mootool, prototype, Dojo, Extjs, YUI libraries, and have recently used the jquery for accordion menu and prototype for glider (sliding gallery like the one in Panic.com), but I don't know enough to settle for one that is relatively small size and unobtrusive. Everybody claims he is unobtrusive, and I have difficulty to settle down with one. Thanks! Hi tee, An interesting thread indeed. I can't recommend any JS libraries as I'm only now cutting my teeth on JS, but I can wholeheartedly recommend a book on JS which focuses on graceful degradation and manipulation of the DOM: DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model by Jeremy Keith HTH, -Ray *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)
It'd also be interesting to know if it reads aloud in an American accent!! Or perhaps the better question would be, if there is ANY software like this that doesn't use an American accent ... Cheers susie On 4/4/08 10:00 AM, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Someone's asked me about software that will read aloud from a web page, in a user friendly way, to be used by secondary students whose reading age is low prevents them being able to access the content. I've found a few examples - anyone have experience using any of these, or other software that you would recommend? http://www.browsealoud.com/page.asp?pg_id=80002 http://www.readplease.com/ http://www.guangmingsoft.net/speakaloud/help.htm http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/ Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? If you just use Photoshop's normal Save functionality, selecting PNG as the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the Save for Web and Devices dialog instead and it will create much smaller files. HTH, Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Well, I've just run a 6120b png file through it and it reduced to 196kb, so I'm pleased about that!! :) On 17/4/08 9:49 AM, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susie, Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are still rather huge!! My version is CS3. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? If you just use Photoshop's normal Save functionality, selecting PNG as the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the Save for Web and Devices dialog instead and it will create much smaller files. HTH, Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
I do think we also shouldn¹t forget that there are a lot of people out there who need to find a webpage attractive in order to make them stay and read the content. And some Flash(y) content can be useful/attractive. (Emphasis on can¹!) Some people (probably a lot) really like that sort of stuff ... :) - susie On 7/5/08 5:03 AM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with your audience. thats how I see it too, content is king I myself often have javascript and flash diasabled, so long as the content is available to the audience. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
On 7/5/08 1:37 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using some unobstrusive js effects much the same (and or better) can be made without flash http://simonwillison.net/static/2008/xtech/ which advises making a standard site that functions with basic html and present it with css, and then add additional functionality not my own work but an example of the what I am talking about http://interiors.davroc.co.uk/ That¹s a nice-looking site! I guess all I was trying to say is that Flash is here and developers will use it. I would never make a fully Flash website personally and I do think it¹s a bad idea. But an occasional little bit of Flash is another matter (imho), depending on the circumstances/requirements of the site and it¹s owner. Sometimes it sounds like people think it doesn¹t matter what a site looks like as long as it is accessible. But it does matter to the majority of people. I know that content is the ultimate thing, but if the site isn¹t presented in an attractive manner then a lot of (sighted) people won¹t stop to look. I personally would rarely bother looking at a site that had no styles and/or looked like a Word document or list or something. I don¹t think I¹m alone here! Most of us live in a visual world. So we want/expect/need to see attractive things. I am not for one second saying we shouldn¹t be making websites that are accessible and easy to use for everyone. But I don¹t see that this means that developers shouldn¹t use other technologies that may not be accessible to everyone, as long as the main content of the website is accessible by the users that the website is being developed for. I¹m going to stop before a hail of comments come my way! And I¹m going to try and refrain from extending this conversation ... grin - susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem
Hi there I'm sure I should know how to fix this but I can't! http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/uctlc6.css That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has absolute positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it drops down. I've tried conditional comments taking out the vertical position on the image but it does nothing. Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? Thanks susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem
Thanks very much Gunlaug - that did work!
And Matljs - re the banner table, I work at a university where you are
supposed to use their template for university web pages. And the template is
all in tables!! Over time I have taken most of the template out of tables,
but to date have left the banner. This time I got the lefthand nav
successfully out! I'll have a look at using your solution next time but I
imagine it will take a while to get the banner to display the way it's
supposed to without being in a table.
And I've spent more time that I should have on this site already! At least
I've fixed up the lefthand nav so it holds together, and displays correctly
in IE6 (which is as low as we have to go here).
cheers
susie
On 15/5/08 6:13 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html
That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has
absolute positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it
drops down.
Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
You're trying to fixed-position a background, which I don't think you
really want since that means the background is positioned relative to
the browser-window - not the page.
Anyway, IE6 can't handle fixed backgrounds on regular elements inside
body, so it is absolute positioning that background.
Change to...
#entryContainer {
background: #FFF url(entry-bg.jpg) no-repeat 193px 0;
}
...and IE6 will line up with the other browsers - or rather the other
way around but with all parts in the correct places.
regards
Georg
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[WSG] Accessibility and Joomla
I¹m just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I¹m going to have to use it on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through some of the tutorials, I¹m wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in this area ... ? Obviously I¹m going to be doing my own stylesheets and taking it out of table layout. At the moment I¹m wondering if it¹d be easier to develop the site structure/CSS in Dreamweaver and then move it into Joomla. Cheers Susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and Joomla
I believe that with the new version (1.5) it is much easier to make sites accessible. And thanks William for your suggestion of DW extensions. I did a search and found one that looks really good. It's expensive ($US100) but has great reviews on the Joomla extensions site, and includes a 1 hour training video. And it's all about the Joomla 'template' which is where all the formatting/CSS is organised. My work will hopefully buy this for me (grin) We shall see ... :) On 23/5/08 12:19 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/22/08, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I'm going to have to use it on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through some of the tutorials, I'm wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in this area ... ? i saw a joomla site last night that had considerable accessibility issues with it. it didn't even pass the wai module in ff web dev tool bar. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus
Hi Georg
Thanks for that. I'll have a go. You always seem to help me - thank you so
much!!
Re the font-resizing - sigh!! For a lot of the websites we develop at the
university here, we're supposed to use this awful template, which includes
the lefthand menu like this. In the template it's all in tables!! I got the
way of doing this menu from http://demo.pixelsandpages.com/test_dual.html
and I thought it covered all problems!
I looked at your page about this. I already have the base body font size set
at 62.5%. Are you saying that if I add in html{ font-size: 100%;}
before that it will be OK?
Of course, I'm a Mac-user, who pretty much uses Firefox all the time. But I
do have XP and IE6 installed in Parallels so I check on that. But I guess
usually after I've developed in FF Mac ... :)
Thanks again
susie
On 10/6/08 1:18 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
But when the link has sub-menu items under it, all of those get the
same treatment! Because the styles are applied to the list item. Can
anyone think of a way to do this that would not affect the sub-menu?
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/stLucia.html
Add specificity to the selectors for sub-menu styles...
#lhnav #navcontainer li li a { ... }
#lhnav #navcontainer li li a:hover { ... }
...to make those styles override ACTIVE styles on first level.
BTW: font-resizing doesn't play well with that menu in any browser, and
IE/win's em font-resizing bug[1] doesn't help much either.
regards
Georg
[1]http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_13.html
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Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus
Thanks Thierry - I'm looking into that too! Just not clear if it will handle more than one level of menu items, waiting to hear back from them. Cheers susie On 10/6/08 2:55 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:45 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus Hi there I've been using the 456bereastreet.com method ( http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200503/setting_the_current_menu_state_ with_css/) to set the current menu state using css. Which is really great when there is only one level of menu items ... But I'm now trying to use it with 2 levels of menus, that incorporate background images for bullets and different colour schemes for the 2nd level ... (sigh - blame the graphic designer!) It works fine on the first level - see http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/contacts.html But when the link has sub-menu items under it, all of those get the same treatment! Because the styles are applied to the list item. Can anyone think of a way to do this that would not affect the sub-menu? I've tried applying the id to the 'a' tag but that did nothing! See http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/stLucia.html I did have a script that did this, but it didn't include background images, or separate colours/styles for the sub-menu items. And my javascript skills do not extend that far I'm afraid! Any thoughts would be great. I have spent too much time on this already, and need to know if I'm just trying to do something that will never be possible, and so should start again! In case you want to automate the process using a script: http://divahtml.com/products/divaGPS/current_menu_location.php There is a free version for DW users *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems
I look after a poetry ezine site ( http://www.foame.org/) and that¹s what I do. For a lot of poets, the look of their poem on the page is very important. Sometimes they want to make visual patterns with their stanzas ... always a bit hit and miss, depending on browsers/platforms etc. And then you get the poems with lines that are required to start under a specific word in the previous line have had to make use of a lot of non-breaking spaces to do that, and again it can¹t be precise. - susie On 20/6/08 2:42 AM, jody tate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd stress what Jon Tan wrote: My recommendation would be p for stanzas and br / line breaks for most verse. Stanzas are usually taught as the paragraph of poetry and verses are referred to as line breaks. Side note you're free to ignore: I'd argue most of the historical bits below are incorrect in the details, but are correct in general. Jonson's _English Grammar_ is a great snapshot of the period's grammar eccentricities, but hardly a guide that was followed--he didn't care enough to publish it while alive despite how careful he was about publication (I did a Ph.D. one Shakespeare and taught medieval, early modern and modern poetry for eight years before the siren call of web work). -jody -- Jody Tate Web Developer - UW Network Systems http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ On Jun 19, 2008, at 3:06 AM, Jon Tan wrote: Historically each stanza in a poem is a paragraph. Layout (new lines) began punctuating paragraphs in the later Middle Ages. Prior to that the lines ran into one another with punctuation used to indicate where breaths and breaks in the running text occurred [1]. Syntactic punctuation was not commonplace until after Ben Johnson's English Grammar in 1640. That means that layout /is/ punctuation for modern poetry, so markup needs to reflect that. My recommendation would be p for stanzas and br / line breaks for most verse. To do anything that returns stanzas to running text when CSS is disabled would break the syntax of the verse /unless/ lines are specifically punctuated with something other than a break at the end; a comma for example. pre is an alternative but does not punctuate line ends at all, except visually. It would be interesting to know how alternative browsers handle both br /s and single/double line breaks in pre blocks. Do they inject a pause or other aural boundary? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Please unsubscribe me
Ha ha and yes!! On 1/7/08 2:59 PM, Matthew Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Polly Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks Polly Templeton National Museum of Australia I don't know about you all but I'm maintaining a spreadsheet called People not to hire based on their ability to use the WSG list. .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Image gallery layout
I LOVE Lightbox! Only discovered it recently and am using it on a site I¹m working on. From an accessibility standpoint it is awesome. The only complaint¹ that another developer here found was that it doesn¹t detect the user¹s flash player version (as swfObject does), but that¹s a minor concern really ... Having said that, I¹m not clear how this would assist in Lyn¹s case, but I¹m interested to see/hear!! Cheers - susie On 7/7/08 1:21 PM, Srinivas Gattu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may help: http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/ On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Lynette Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning My client wants her image galleries to look the same (if possible) as on her Power Point Presentation. These images (in PPP) are positioned absolutely ie a certain cm measurement from top left in each case. The images are of paintings and are NOT of uniform size so I am working with different thumbnail sizes. I have made them a uniform maximum 150px high but of course some are a lot wider and do not reach 150px vertically. http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/sarwon/slightly.html CSS is ul#img I have tried giving them ALL a uniform height 150px regardless of width - see bottom 4 images - but of course I had to add a new bit of CSS - ul#img2 with a much wider ul#img2 li. I have explained that the site should look good at all screen resolutions and have managed to have it look OK as small as 800 x 600. What I am asking is if there is any other way to lay out an image gallery other than the way I have done (which I always use but with uniform thumbnails). I don't think she will mind if I tell her it is not possible to copy her PPP exactly as here we are dealing with a fluid background which needs to be able to change with different screen sizes but I want to be sure there is not another way I can accommodate her wishes. Thanks Lyn www.westernwebdesign.com.au http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/ Perth, Western Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6
I came upon this - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6 If Facebook (or the new¹ Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will really start to move IE6 out the door ... One can only hope anyway!! +++ Susie Gardner-Brown blog: http://susiegb/blogspot.com web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Learning JavaScript properly
I've been using 'Javascript: A Beginner's Guide' (2nd Edition) by John Pollock and have found that pretty useful. - susie On 19/09/08 11:34 AM, William Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint as well. I used it in combination with some of their other javascript books. William Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can personally vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint. Very good book for the beginner level. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 8:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon skrev: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, Learn the basics first - then libraries: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/learn_javascript_before_tast ing _the_library_koolaid/ Mozilla Developer Central is a nice resource. All Sitepoint books are great as well. PPK's books i also very good. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 5:07 PM __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG2 in govt
I don¹t work in government as such, rather a big university. We (my group within the Uni, which is one that supports teaching and learning, makes websites etc) are going with WCAG2 well, the first two levels anyway. We¹ve been developing a wiki with suggestions for different groups of users within our group and then the wider university community (graphic designers, web developers, programmers, instructional designers, lecturers, admin staff etc). And basing it on WCAG2 ... Of course we can¹t force anyone to take any of this up, but we are aiming to do so ourselves insofar as the recommendations relate to the expected users of the University. - susie On 30/09/08 12:15 AM, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know WCAG2 is being considered in Western Australia. There is a debate to wait for it to reach W3C Recommendation status and spend our resources working on other issues now. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible popup help
Here¹s a couple (well, 3) links to creating accessible popups to check out: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html The ever-popular Lightbox - http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/projects/lightbox2/ And from Accessify - http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/the-perfect-popup/ Cheers susie On 3/03/09 10:21 PM, clarele...@halifax.co.uk clarele...@halifax.co.uk wrote: Hi there, We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS? Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help? Thanks -- --- Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial Services Authority. == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] 3 column layout issue
Have a look at this: http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo/ This is a 3-column layout with care taken for lots of different browsers ... Cheers susie On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Naveen Bhaskar naveenbhas...@ymail.com wrote: Hi, I have a 3 column layout structure. My issue is the content of the center column is shifting down . pls help me to fix this.. thanks a ton in advance.. thanks and regards Navii Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/invit e/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] more on fonts
Don't see how it could be any clearer Paul ...
:)
On 23/06/09 8:39 AM, Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.com wrote:
At 6/22/2009 05:00 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
well, the subject that i was taking, and the web page for pinciples of
visual design, my professor, said i have to had fonts, in the style sheet.
that was the requirmenet of this site i was doing for a fruit shop.
Just as a reality check, let me go over how this works.
You don't have to have any particular fonts on your own computer in
order to designate them in a web page.
You create a web page on your computer, upload it to the server, and
after that each visitor who sees the page downloads it to their
computer where it is displayed (rendered). It is the fonts installed
on each visitor's computer that determine how the text will be
displayed on their screens.
If you specify font-families in the stylesheet, you're not DICTATING
what font must appear, you're only SUGGESTING which fonts you'd like
to appear. If a font you've requested isn't installed, it doesn't
show up; that simple.
If you use the stylesheet to ask that some text be rendered in a very
common font such as Arial, it will be displayed in Arial on the vast
majority of visitors' computers. If you use a more unusual font, only
a small number of visitors might have that font and see it on the
page. Everyone else will see your 2nd or 3rd choice font for that text.
For example, if your stylesheet says:
h1
{
font-family: Gothic Rare, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
}
...then the visitor's browser checks to see if it can find a match
with any of the fonts in the list. Gothic Rare will not be found
anywhere because I just made it up. Helvetica is far from universally
installed, but Arial is extremely common so most people will see the
text in Arial. If none of those three fonts is found, 'sans-serif'
tells the browser to use whatever its default sans serif font is
which might easily be different on every computer.
A sans serif font is a font with no serifs. See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_serif
Does that help clarify any of this?
Regards,
Paul
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Juniper Webcraft Ltd.
http://juniperwebcraft.com
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[WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
Hi there I¹d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ it¹s really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Trip down memory lane
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Re: [WSG] fonts
Hi Marvin You're not stating the fonts for you, but for the people who read your website. That's why you usually declare 2-3 fonts, so if they don't have the first one on their computer, it will go to the second. So you don't need to download anything. And they (your audience) shouldn't need to either ... :) Cheers susie On 2/02/10 2:28 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. i have verdana. and it reads the name. but only have got Arial Blakc. not just plain Arial what is the correct name for Arial Black. or where can i download the Arial font. marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Poetry needing block format but with line-breaks
Hi there I¹m doing a poetry zine. Quite a lot of poets want to set the way the poem looks as well as sounds; and one poem needs to be in block format, but with lines breaking at specific words, so I have to use the line-break ... Any suggestions on how I can do this? Otherwise I may have to put it in as a pdf image unfortunately (with a link to a page with the poetry in regular html but formatted as required) ... Cheers susie gardner-brown *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: Poetry needing block format but with line-breaks
Oh, thanks Jens I forgot about that option!! I¹ll give it a go . And Brad yes I am using the br / tag, but that stops it being block-formatted ... Cheers susie On 17/02/10 8:40 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff jko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote: I¹m doing a poetry zine. Quite a lot of poets want to set the way the poem looks as well as sounds; and one poem needs to be in block format, but with lines breaking at specific words, so I have to use the line-break ... Hi Susie, did you try using pre to preserve whitespace (which includes line breaks)? Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
