Re: [Xpert] KDrive[tinyx] Font problem
Man Xserver and look for -fp. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Savage 4
SSG Anybody knows about savage 4 support in Xfree ? Yes. Decent in 4.2.1 (sometimes crashes), absolutely perfect (as far as I can see) in CVS. SSG can i use Opengl ? You can use it, but it's not accelerated. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TrueType font rendering
AA 1. with freetype extension in XF86Config and making fonts.dir AA file with ttmkfontdir; AA 2. using a Font Server. I've found two servers: xfstt and xfs AA (integrated on XFree86). AA There are differences using first method instead of second? Which AA is the best way to do font rendering? The former is more stable, saves memory and gives better performance. The latter avoids a one- or two-second server freeze when rasterising large fonts. I use the former, and refuse to consider the latter. Some people that I do respect disagree. AA Which is the best font server? xfstt or xfs? Both are good. Xfs is standard and deals with all font formats, xfstt is simpler to use but only handles TrueType. If you decide to use xfstt, be aware that some of the XFree86 docs won't appply to your system. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]XFIXES extension proposal
KP Applications like the KDE 'klipper' monitor selection contents to save KP them and also perform actions based on them. Right now, this happens by KP having these clients contantly polling the selection. Why can't klipper take the ownership of the selection, as xclipboard does ? (I'm not arguing against this extension, as I think that making client-visible state changes observable is a Good Thing. Just idle curiosity.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]kdrive on freebsd?
YT Seems my mail got lost somehow... No, it didn't. I did reply. As far as I know, nobody is working on KDrive for *BSD. Porting the accelerated KDrive servers should be a triviality. Porting the generic server will be difficult until the FreeBSD folks either provide a framebuffer device or else document their vm86 calls. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=i386_vm86sektion=2apropos=0manpath=FreeBSD+5.0-current I quote: ``m86 mode is entered by calling sigreturn(2) with the correct machine context for vm86, and with the PSL_VM bit set.'' Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert] : Kdrive web browser
PRP Can anybody suggest me a small (less than 5MByte) free web PRP browser that works on Kdrive and with Java Script support? Dillo is brilliant. But no Javascript. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: Replacing X with a KDrive (P.R. Patil)
HB Does anyone know what the problem might be ? It is likely that your homebrew X server and your distribution- provided gdm disagree on the location of authorisation files; try disabling authorisation in gdm. (No, I cannot help you, I use xdm myself.) If that's not it, we need to see gdm's log. HB (Maybe you cannot use Gnom with KDrive ?) Yes, you can. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: Replacing X with a KDrive
HB Do you Think that a 4.2.0 KDRIVE will work with XFree 4.02 Libraries ? No problem. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Builtin font path fallback
KP Should I stick these into the regular server so that it will never again KP fail to start due to a lack of fonts? Yes. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]KDrive on freebsd?
YT Is anybody working on porting Kdrive to FreeBSD? Not to my knowledge. The generic drivers will be difficult to port until FreeBSD get their act together and either document their VM86 calls or else implement a framebuffer device. Porting the KDrive core and the accelerated drivers should be pretty much a triviality. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: About Ways to reduce the size of X (Juliusz Chroboczek)
HB 1. Where can I find information which accelerated drivers are HB available for KDRIVE ? http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xkdrive.1.html Sorry, they're not documented. HB 2. Is there a HOWTO on how to compile a KDRIVE with the HB accelerated driver ? xc/programs/Xserver/Imakefile HB 3. Will the KDRIVE be sufficient KDrive is a full implementation of X11R6 together with a number of common extensions. Any correct X11 clients should be able to run under KDrive. HB to run JBuilder 5 or 7 (Borland) Java Applications ? According to dpkg, version 1.3 of the jre requires 35 MB of disk space. But nothing prevents you from using it with a tiny X server. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: Ways to reduce the size of X
PP Pls give me hhe detailed procedure you followd to compile PP the kdrive. http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html PP I'm also trying for the same. Is if that only the kdrive server is PP sufficient to do every thing ??? Or does it require other library PP and font files??? Font files are not required. If it finds no font files, kdrive will automatically provide the fixed and cursor fonts. Of course, you'll need font files if you want to use fonts other than fixed. Client-side libraries are only required if you want to run applications ;-) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]About Ways to reduce the size of X
PPActually I'm using the frame buffer server where as the tiny x PP uses svga server which is not suitable for my application. There used to be a thing called Tiny X which was based on the SVGA server. It exists no more. There is nowadays a completely different trendily BiCapitalised thing called TinyX or KDrive. It uses a different DDX layer than the XFree86 server, and has support for VESA on i386 and framebuffer on Linux with freamebuffer. It also has a number of accelerated drivers. KDrive is a complete imlementation of the X11 protocol together with a number of common extensions. I've been happily running it as my only X server for a few months.* Juliusz * And then the power supply of the machine gave up. Keith claims it's unrelated. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access?
AA On checking, it appears that, apart from the lists for submitted patches, AA all the private lists are defunct except for one, the devel list. Or are there actual resons why outsiders can't read these lists? (copyright stuff and what not?) AA Officially, that is the only reason why the devel list still exists, AA but devel does still have a lot of traffic that could perfectly well AA be made public. With a few exceptions, though, nowadays most of the interesting traffic is on xpert. The private devel list is mostly used for urgent internal announcements (e.g. announcements of feature freezes), interesting information that we don't want to see on slashdot (``I met B. G. III in the lift and he told me that XFree86 sucks'') and, very rarely, internal disagreements. You are really not loosing much. But we do feel more comfortable with an internal list. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]VNC and freetype - please Help!
I don't know if the VNC X server supports TrueType fonts. If not, you could run an XFree86 font server and point your VNC X server at it. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Questions about TinyX (simultaneous monochrome color screen xserver)
MN 1. Can TinyX use monochrome buffer ( depth=1) in Linux even though the MN folder of mfb is not used? Yes. fb can deal with 1bpp framebuffers. MN 2. If the answer to above question is YES, what are steps to create it in MN Linux? Both Xvesa and Xfbdev will take depth one modes into account. The relevant code is in vesa.c:vesaScreenInitialize and fbdev.c:fbdevScreenInitialize respectively where fb[].visuals includes 1StaticGray and fb[].depth gets initialised to 1. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]private mailing lists - an archive or read only access?
AA I think the original idea was that the please help me stuff would AA be on newbie (although that name doesn't give the right impression) I fully agree. I would expect many people to feel offended at being forced to write to a list with such a name -- let him who's never been childish cast them the first stone. AA By not reading newbie I guess I've messed that up, but if we made devel AA public I'd be afraid of another round of mailing list inflation Let's face it -- it already takes A$1.8 to get a green note. I think it may be a good idea to move user support to ``xpert'', make ``devel'' public and move XFree86 development to it, and create a new ``private'' list for internal announcements only. Naming the new list ``private'' would have the additional advantage of reminding people what it is for. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]windows-1252 vs. iso-8859-1
HR the XFree86 entry page has charset=windows-1252. Would you be so kind as to explain what you mean? If you're speaking of the Content-Type of http://www.xfree86.org/, then you're wrong. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]colour mouse cursor
KP If you're running current XFree86 CVS, you should be seeing ARGB cursors KP all over your screen as Xlib has been hacked to use them in place of the KP stock cursor images. XCreateFontCursor ? Can that behaviour be disabled ? Are monochrome cursors with no non-integer alpha values automatically converted into hardware cursors ? If so, at what level does that happen ? I'm sorry for the silly questions, but I'm a little late w.r.t. CVS right now. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: windows-1252 vs. iso-8859-1
If you're speaking of the Content-Type of http://www.xfree86.org/, then you're wrong. HR meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1252 Sorry, my mistake -- I only checked the HTTP headers. HR meta content=MSHTML 5.50.4308.2900 name=GENERATOR Yep. And then it says Local variables: mode: sgml which seems to imply that MSHTML is based on Emacs or the other way around ;-) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]gzipped fonts with xft
XB I've got a segfault when running xftcache with your patch (on XB uncompressed fonts, in my Type1 dir). I'll send you a backtrace if I XB find the time to recompile it with symbols. It really is a first draft. I tested it exactly twice (once on a compiled PCF and once on a compiled BDF), and it never occurred to me to test it on an uncompressed font. As it stands, and unless I'm grossly mistaken, it also cannot possibly compile within the server-side FreeType backend. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Question about X protocol
JG though there is now a very interesting X library under development JG by Bart Massey and a student. The mention of M4 is a typo, right? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
[Xpert]Core fonts issues [was: Problems with Type1 big fonts]
DD Unless the old Type1 backend can unreservedly be replaced by the new DD FreeType2 backend, then it should be disabled, and maybe even a fake DD type1 font module created for the modular build so that existing DD configurations don't break. If there are still reasons for wanting the DD old backend, then it needs to be configurable, at least at build-time. DD If we want to provide more flexibility in allowing the user to control DD what font suffixes are handled by what backend, there would need to be DD some type of run-time configurability. I was looking into that when other things came up; I may very well be able to come back to this. Anyway, here's the plan I had. The idea would be to have a new interface, Bool FontFileRegisterRendererPriority(FontRendererPtr, int priority) where the existing FontFileRegisterRenderer interface in renderer.c is an alias for FFRRP with priority set to 0. Priority is an integer (positive or negative), and renderers with higher priority override renderers of lower priority. The Type 1 renderer would register with negative priority for both PFA and CID; in the absence of another CID renderer, it would render CID fonts, but PFA fonts would be handled by FreeType. FreeType would register with default priority for both PFA and TTF. X-TT would register with positivie priority for TTF. In a configuration in which all renderers are linked in, X-TT would handle TTF, FreeType would handle PFA, and Type 1 would handle CID. In a default configuration (no X-TT), both PFA and TTF are handled by FreeType. The advantage of that is that there are no new configuration mechanisms -- we simply leverage off the existing module loader. It's also easily extensible -- I expect to implement bitmap support in the FreeType backend after 4.3.0, and then you'll want the existing bitmap renderers to override FreeType if they're linked in. The downside is that it's not completely flexible, not allowing for example to have TTF support using FreeType while using Type 1 for PFA. I don't think anyone cares. DD Also, I'd really like to see some resolution to the separate FreeType DD and X-TT backends for TrueType fonts. As it is now, if someone chooses DD X-TT, they will still need the old Type1 backend for Type1 fonts DD regardless of other considerations. Is it still not possible to resolve DD the issues that led to two TrueType backends in the first place? Here's my personal perception. X-TT contains support for embedded bitmaps, which FreeType 1 didn't have. The new FreeType backend fully supports embedded bitmaps. X-TT also contains a number of features such as fake bolding and automagic slanting, collectively known as TTCap. These should be handled at the toolkit level in my opinion, and at any rate implementing new features in the core fonts system at this point is pretty much pointless. Still, users of X-TT have become accustomed to these features being made available at the server level, and would probably not accept them being taken away. I shall not implement the said features in FreeType, which I want to remain a small and clean piece of code. I shall also not integrate myself the (existing) patches that implement TTCap in the FreeType backend. If there is a person interested in doing that, I'll be glad to help -- but only if said person commits to maintaining the code for the indefinite future. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Problems with Type1 big fonts
AH There's a problem with this at the moment. If you build a static AH server you get two font renderers registered to deal with .pfa/.pfb AH fonts. Solution Juliusz - is it just to disable Type1 for static builds AH because it's too buggy ? For now, all I can tell for sure is that I do disable Type 1 in my personal build. This has the side-effect of disabling support for CIDFonts. Details about my medium-term ideas on the subject are in a different message. I am sorry for not having done that yet, and I apologise in advance for not being able to do it right now. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]gzipped fonts with xft
XB Is there a way to make xft2 read gzipped fonts ? Currently it doesn't, XB and that makes all bitmaps fonts unusable. http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/fonts/2002-October/002203.html Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Problems with Type1 big fonts
U Does anybody know any solution around the problem of X crashing with U Type1 big fonts ? The current Type 1 backend will no longer be the default in 4.3.0. The new Type 1 backend does not have this problem. U Any other solution ? Get the new FreeType driver from XFree86 CVS and recompile it for your system. Or else switch to current CVS. Sorry, there are no easier solutions at this time. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Sticky key pass through under Linux...
SO It seems like the right thing here is that with xkbdisable turned on, SO X should just use my keyboard from Linux...including the sticky key SO mappings. There is no implementation of sticky keys in XFree86 outside of the one provided by xkb (AFAIK). Doing what you request would require reimplementing sticky keys from scratch. I think that a better approach would be to teach xkb to use the console keymap. But I don't think there's anyone around who simultaneously understands Xkb and is interested in implementing this. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyX / DGA / alphablending / shaped windows?
ET 1. XFree 4.2 has better support for Unicode layout engines (e.g. shares ETfont info with client) and it includes more unicode fonts. Does TinyX ETsupport these things? Yep. Keith actually develops ``these things'' for kdrive (Tiny X) first, and only then ports to the XFree86 server. ET 2. XFree 4.2 has support for shaped windows, but what about alphablending ETe.g. window shadow onto what's under each of the windows? Does TinyX ETsupport shaped windows Both XFree86 and kdrive support shaped windows. Neither supports translucent windows. Yet. ET 3. AFAIK DGA offers support for direct framebuffer access Kdrive does not support DGA as far as I know. KDrive does support the MIT-SHM extension, though, which is usually good enough for clients that wish to do their own rendering. ET 4. Does TinyX support the XFRee hw acceleration framework (XAA?), No. Which doesn't mean that kdrive drivers cannot be accelerated -- they just cannot use XAA. Note that kdrive comes with a bucketful of accelerated drivers. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Using MS Sans Serif
BC After upgrading to XFree86 CVS to get native support for Intel 845 ( BC works great now but that's a different story), my MS Sans Serif font BC looks really weird in Galeon - with lots on lines in between characters BC (see attached picture). It used to work fine with the 4.2.0 supplied BC with RH. Anyone has any clues ? Interesting. Can you reproduce the problem with xedit or xfd ? And which TrueType backend are you using ? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config
MM Note these arguments are the standard anti-xml arguments given by MM most idots.. The XML proposals I've seen have been of the form ``I've just met Goedel in the lift, and he told me XML is a good idea, so why don't you folks implement XML for the server configuration file.'' Yours is the first half-commitment to produce a sample implementation. None of us, I believe, are ``idots'' (whatever that means). We're also not anti-XML, but rather sceptics who want to see what a change of this magnitude in habits and configuration tools will bring. There is no doubt that a well-documented and well-written sample imple- mentation accompanied with rationale would do wonders to dissipate some of this scepticism. MM Xml provides off the shelf standard parsing and validation I know that. I also know how to write /ad hoc/ parsers (I believe that's usually taught in third year), so I'd like to see what exactly using XML will buy us. What exactly are you thinking about? Using off-the-shelf XML parsers in configuration tools? (Obviously.) Using XSLT within configuration tools? (Why not, after all?) Using some RPC-over-HTTP-over-TCP-over-IP for remote configuration? (Hmm.) Some other techniques that I haven't though of yet? In short, don't treat us like Neanderthals who haven't seen The One True Way. Give us something intelligent to disagree or perhaps even agree with. MM it usefulness is well proven in many areas. ... and I met Church in the lift and he told me it's useful. MM The XF86Config maps well to XML ... By design, any tree structure maps well to XML. And any tree structure maps well to SGML, and any tree structure maps well to Lisp S-Exps, and any tree structure maps well to the XF86Config format. (While we're off topic, any tree structure can be embedded within Cantor's space, which can be shown to be isomorphic to the real line.) MM If XFree is willing to accept it in the tree its trivial to MM implement. And it's not trivial to implement if XFree86 aren't? Aren't you putting something before something else, or whatever the idiom is? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Force Xvesa server
NL Well I change that and I still can't get X to run on my clients. Are you using xdm (which is what I've assumed)? Xinit or startx? Or perhaps kdm, gdm or somesuch? If you're using xinit, you should put the path to Xvesa on the xinit command line, or else have the X symlink point at Xvesa. If you're running startx, edit the startx script. If you're running kdm or gdm, this is the wrong list. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Force Xvesa server
It's not XF86Config (which is not used in this case), it's the xdm config file. On my system, it's /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Hot corners
Ouch! You're tracking all motion events on the root window. X11 is not MacOS, and you should tell the server exactly what events you're interested in. In this case, I would create four small OverrideRedirect InputOnly windows and only track EnterNotify events for those four windows. You should be able to keep them on top by doing something on CirculateNotify. Note that since you're not a window manager you're only allowed to do that on OverrideRedirect windows. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]how to get access to Xlib headers/libs from xserver-side module
AA As a hint, Xlib code is in AA xc/lib AA and X server code is in AA xc/programs/Xserver Er, not quite. Some of the xc/lib code is used by the X server, notably xc/lib/font. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]X return segmentation fault when trying to start it
TK I would think about this in a different way. In my point of view, this TK is a code generation bug in the compiler (gcc?). In a perfect world, TK any piece of source code should compile and work perfectly even with TK the most exotic optimization flags turned on. Not necessarily. C9X allows a compiler to make a number of assumptions about aliasing (about whether two distinct pointers point at the same data in memory) which older C standards do not allow. X does a lot of pointer aliasing, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it violated some of the restrictions on aliasing in C9X. Recent versions of gcc do enable -fstrict-aliasing at higher optimisation levels. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]S3 Graphics Twister K Compaq
Does anybody know what shall I do to get my S3 Graphics Twister K Compaq card to work in XF86? KB And the Savage driver web page is at: KB http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html The important thing: as far as I know, no automatic configuration tools recognise the Twister K. After installing Tim's latest driver, you should manually configure XFree86 for *any* Savage card, and the driver will deal with the rest. While it doesn't directly apply to your machine, you may find the following collection of random information useful: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/presario/ Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyXserver framebuffer
MN 1. I cannot find which module (section of code/file) xserver uses to write MN data to the framebuffer after Pixblit routines. Where exactly does xserver MN write to framebuffer array? That's the code in Xserver/fb. See KdScreenInit in kdrive.c which sets up the Screen's methods with a blend of fb, mi and kd functions. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]FreeType font enginetreats 16bit fonts as 8bit fonts
RM Some comments: RM - Is it neccesary that the encodings.dir created by mkfontdir uses RM the full path to the encodings ? No, it can be a relative path. Mkfontdir uses an absolute path so that you can move the fonts directory (and leave the encodings in place) without rebuilding the files. RM and it would allow to copy or move the config to a different RM location without problems ... Use mkfontdir -p if you're installing in random places and moving the files later on. RM I suggest two things here: 1. The Xserver should print a error message RM (like Solaris Xsun). Done in the FreeType 2 backend (to be committed RSN -- hint, hint). RM 2. Matching fonts should only be open-able if the encoding file RM referenced by encodings.dir can be processed without problems RM (e.g. the font subsystem should refuse to open the font if there RM is an entry in encodings.dir but it cannot be processed for some RM reason) Not done -- the Word, as revealed through the mouth of David Dawes, is that fatal errors should be avoided. (Incidentally, this is a part of the Word that I happen to disagree with.) RM - Many fonts from Solaris 2.8 are still not recognised as 16bit fonts RM (such as the chinese 18030, thai and others; I can try to make a list on RM demand...) ... ;-( Make sure your encodings are known to fontenc; grep the encodings.dir files for the relevant encodings. If they aren't, add ALIAS lines to your .enc files, and send us a patch. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]A few questions regarding the XFree86-DGA extension
MV DGA really shouldn't be used and I regret that it's still in the MV X-server. I would like it to disappear in XFree86 5.0. Mark, I fully agree with your feeling, and I am sincerely sorry to say what I'm about to say. There is no denying, though, that there are applications that want to do client-side rendering -- and I think that's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. The obvious solutions (PutImage and ShmPutImage) either involve one copy too many, or else require you to put your rendering buffers in a shared memory segment. I may be mistaken, but as far as I can see, the only way to do a direct blit from a random client-specified buffer is DGA. Unless we provide a different way to do that, there is little chance of DGA going away with no loss. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]We have incomplete unicode glyphs in our Latin1 fonts.
ML I am using the LuciduxSans font. I am viewing content that ML contains #x2026;, #x2014; and so on. I've been informed ML by some of the folks working on Gnome 2.0 that these glyphs ML are present in Microsoft's fonts but appear to be missing from ML most of our XFree86 fonts. Is this something we can rectify? It's already been rectified in 4.2.0. Note that the Lucidux family is now called Luxi. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]FreeType font enginetreats 16bit fonts as 8bit fonts
RM I thought the font encodings from Solaris (in RM /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/) are sufficient... maybe I RM was wrong... The SI only exports scalable fonts in ISO 8859-1. The font encoding mechanism in XFree86 was developed independently from the one in Openwindows. I don't even know what format they use for encodings. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]abort() in libXfont 4.2.0 (was FW: remote DoS in Mozilla 1.0)
KW | is a bug; however, as I'm hoping to phase out the current Type 1 KW | backend in favour of one based on FreeType 2 in time for 4.3.0, I do KW | not intend to fix it. KW :( ETA for 4.3.0? Early 21st century. However, the new unified font backend (Type 1 + TrueType + OpenType/CFF) should be submitted for inclusion in CVS over the next weeks. KW The general idea has been that if the rendered font will be too KW big for the medium it is to be displayed on then the request KW should be dubbed, as you say, clearly invalid. Is such an KW approach feasible and doable at the common layer you speak of? To a certain extent. You cannot know a priori how large a 12 pt glyph at 75 dpi is going to be -- it could very well be much larger than the nominal 12 pixels. However, we could very well impose a limit on (ptsize * dpi) at the common layer. It's just that I'm wondering about the right cutoff value. Remember that at this point you do not know the size of the display yet. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]abort() in libXfont 4.2.0 (was FW: remote DoS in Mozilla 1.0)
From: Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bugtraq] remote DoS in Mozilla 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12 Jun 2002 08:51:49 +0100 MH Interesting problem reported on bugtraq: MH http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/276120 I see. Two bugs here. One is the dodgy error-handling in the Type 1 backend, which gives up by calling abort() (see the very end of curves.c). I agree that this is a bug; however, as I'm hoping to phase out the current Type 1 backend in favour of one based on FreeType 2 in time for 4.3.0, I do not intend to fix it. The other problem is that we do not fail a priori requests for very large fonts. I do agree that this should be done, and I think it should be done at the common layer (above the font backends); could anyone suggest at what point a request for a font is clearly invalid? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyX and Truetype
SZ Now I want to know whether Tiny X support Truetype font. Yes. #define BuildFreeType YES It may also be possible to use X-TT in Tiny X, but I don't know if anybody has tried it out. #define BuildFreeType NO #define BuildXTrueType YES SZ If so, what is the difference of the West and CjK font in TTF. None at all. That's one of the nice features of TrueType. (But please see the notes about `-c-' in the README.fonts document.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: Re: XIE and PEX5?
MH Even moreso I hope nobody uses PEX. ;o) Could somebody smart explain why PHIGS was abandoned? Is that because OpenGL is strictly more expressive? (Not being argumentative here, but genuinely incompetent and curious.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Xinerama public review announcement
Congratulations. To what extent is the version of Xinerama that X.Org are proposing compatible with the XFree86 one? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]unicode input
JC Is there any good way to input arbitrary unicode characters via the JC keyboard in a en_US.UTF-8 locale? JC I cannot find any sign of an XIM server for this. Everything I've JC found seems to be targted to CJK input. XIM is not really suitable for Unicode input, as it is a locale- sensitive protocol that uses legacy encodings. It might be possible to coerce XIM to work for arbitrary Unicode text, but I'm not sure you'd want to do that. Sun have a new input method protocol which they claim to be more adapted to this sort of approach; I don't have the references handy, you may want to ask on i18n@. If you only occasionally need to input a character not on your keyboard, the UTF8_STRING protocol will allow you to cut and paste arbitrary Unicode characters. I've written a wee utility called UCM for my private use, you can get it on http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/files/ Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Reg. X Security Extensions
I've never seen anybody use the security extension, and have yet to feel the need for it. AA It seems to appear at the same time as the remote X extension, xrx, AA which makes me think that the idea something like this: AA You have a browser (netscape was one possiblility) with an xrx AA plugin, and browse my web site. Yep, that's what the XC claimed when X11R6.3 came out. Remarkably dumb idea. Shows a complete lack of understanding of what type of problems Java and the technologies based on Javascript and CSS (``dynamic HTML'') are trying to solve. (A wide-area round-trip for every expose event andevery keystroke. Sheesh.) Jim's example is more convincing, though. Are there any video projectors that embed an X server? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Reg. X Security Extensions
Are there any video projectors that embed an X server? JG Keith and I have been spending some time thinking about projector walls, Well, I was thinking about something much simpler. At every conference I've been to, we loose a good few minutes per hi-tech talk while the chairman (sweating with nervousness) tries to connect the speaker's laptop to the projector. Now that 16 Megs of memory and a MIPS or ARM processor come for free, and that every laptop has an Ethernet port, it would make sense to have X11 in the projector. Which, in turn, would create a market for Keith's ``run Windows over X'' software. Of course, the above is merely a workaround. The proper fix is to use OHP slides, as Real Men do. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
[Xpert]KDrive doesn't like my mouse
Hi Keith, So I've got this new laptop manufactured by Compaq. It has a touchpad manufactured by Synaptics, which looks to Linux like a PS/2 mouse. Under Windows, however, there's a specific driver with loads of cool functionality (like measuring the diameter of your thumb in real time). Running the KDrive server on this machine causes the touchpad to go all funny; the pointer is then stuck at the bottom of the screen (but still moves laterally). Leaving KDrive doesn't fix it, a cold boot is necessary. A wee bit of debugging shows that the Intellimouse probe is what breaks the touchpad; removing the first line from ps2Init in mouse.c (the one that says ``MouseWriteBytes(...intelli_init...)'') fixes the problem. So it looks like the Synaptics touchpad reacts to the Intellimouse initialisation sequence by switching to some weird protocol. Do you have any suggestions for fixing that, other than disabling Intellimouse support? Juliusz P.S. CC'd to xpert in case somebody has an idea. ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]ICE in xfree86 install in programs/luit
AS I get an internal compiler error in programs/luit during make install. Wow. AS Now I want to keep the preprocessed source files with -save-temps option of AS gcc but do not know where to add this option. I tried in adding it the AS Makefile in programs/luit but that didn't work.. $ cd luit $ make CDEBUGFLAGS=... luit Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TrueType fonts
XB http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no\bug=147898 Very curious. So you've got this freeze that you can only reproduce if you use Xinerama + FreeType + xfs? If any one of these is missing, everything works fine? XB be surprised. Indeed. I'd love to attempt to reproduce it, but the closest Xinerama machine I've got access to is roughly 1500 miles away. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]To xfs, or not to xfs? Is the question...(Was: Bug#147898: xserver-xfree86: freeze when using TrueType with Xinerama)
JF Ok. But, when not using RENDER, in the presence of xfs who does the actual JF rendering: the X server or xfs? In other words, does the xfs handle JF glyphs, or just the whole font files themselves to the X server? In the presence of xfs, core X fonts are rasterised by xfs which sends bitmaps to the X server. In the absence of xfs, core X fonts are rasterised by the X server. In both cases, it's the same code that does the actual rendering. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Keymap translation error?
CHT Alt_L + 1: ± [...] man xterm and search for metaSendsEscape. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TrueType fonts
BSI red that New X is supporting the TTF BSWhat does it mean ? http://www.xfree86.org/current/fonts.html Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TrueType fonts
http://www.xfree86.org/current/fonts.html XB Doesn't work too well with Xinerama though Er??? The FreeType backend is a font backend just like the others. It merely produces glyph bitmaps and doesn't know about what the upper layers of the server do with them. I would be very, very surprised if there were a font issue that only occurs in Xinerama configurations and that is specific to the FreeType backend. But if there is, please do provide more detail. (Sorry for the emphasis, but the less emphatic formulation caused an underfull hbox. And I don't know how to hyphenate ``occurs''.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyX (Xfbdev) not reading XF86Config?
QP hw/kdrive/linux, but i didn't have any luck to find the code relevant to QP killin X with ctrl-alt-BS. Sorry, my wrong. That's KdCheckSpecialKeys in kdinput.c. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyX (Xfbdev) not reading XF86Config?
QP OH! does that mean it does not use XF86Config at all? it's weird cuz i QP recall TinyX setup and configuration involved modifying a XF86Config file.. QP well, that's okay as long as i can make X behave the way i want. so, how do QP i: QP 1. make X get not killed with ctril+alt+BS pressed? (Dont Zap, correct?) Remove the relevant code from the keyboard driver (somewhere under hw/kdrive/linux). (Keith, shall we make it command-line configurable?) QP 2. specify FontPath? Either recompile specifying a specific fontpath in your host.def, or else read the Xserver manual page (-fp). QP 3. enable NumLock and ScrollLock LED toggle? ??? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Source for Building KDrive
BC But some of the url says you need to have a Frame buffer support BC and Xfbdev will not work other wise You need framebuffer support in your Linux kernel -- nothing to do with XFree86 sources. Xvesa (the other generic KDrive server) should work on all x86 machines, independently of framebuffer support. BC and for this you need to XFree86-Xfbdev.rmp source.. No, you don't. That's probably the legacy 3.3.* Xfbdev server. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Fonts
BSIf run a Xapplication from remote machine, the Xapplication BStakes the fonts from local machine or remote machine ? In XFree86, we have two types of fonts: traditional core fonts and the new ``Xft fonts''. Core fonts are provided by the server and come from font files on the server side. It is now believed that they are not suitable for complex scripts such as Arabic and Devanagari. We are currently moving towards a new font framework (due to Keith Packard), which has been designed to be more efficient for fonts with large numbers of glyphs and to suppor ``smart'' font technologies, such as OpenType, which are needed for complex scripts. Issues related to the new font framework are best discussed on the render list. Hope this helps, Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]limitations of TinyX?
SP Is there any paper anywhere that talks about TinyX and the limitations SP behind it? Not to my knowledge. Contrary to what some believe, KDrive (TinyX) is a complete implementation of X11R6.5. There are three limitations of KDrive that you're likely to notice. First, it's currently Linux-only (but should not be difficult to port). Second, it doesn't have the XAA layer, which makes writing drivers for it much more tedious than for XFree86; whence the small number of drivers for it (although for many of the expected applications of KDrive the generic fbdev or vesa drivers should be enough); in addition, the KDrive drivers tend to accelerate fewer operations than their XFree86 counterparts. Third, it doesn't support the XFree86 module loader. By default, KDrive only contains some of the font backends and extensions that are available. For information about building KDrive with more renderers/extensions, please see http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html Regards, Juliusz Chroboczek ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Xinerama
MV Xinerama is merely an extension that makes two X screens look like MV one. Merely? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]virtual resolutions kdrive
TH X is running fine using the tiny-x xfbdev [...] is there a way to TH set up a virtual resolution or is this not implemented in the TH server? I don't think so; or at least I don't recall seeing any relevant code in kdrive. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]TinyX
MG I have managed to compile a XvesaServer, Congratulations. MG After starting this server, I try to run an application, and I get the MG error message: MG Can't do 4 bits_per_pixel colormap. What do I have to take into MG account when programming for TinyX? (because this app worked under a MG normal SVGA Server) For some reason, the X server decided to run in 16 colour mode, and your application doesn't like the visual that it offers. Try to configure Xvesa to use an 8 bit or more mode. man Xvesa man Xkdrive and search for -listmodes and -screen. MG and, what is the best server to use with a ChipsTech69000 / 69030?? Xvesa of course ;-) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: Memory Leak / suggestions please?
MV I can't even think of a case where Xlib can behave differently MV depending on an X driver. I don't think it's possible for this to MV be a driver specific problem. The cost of some server-side data structures depends on the driver, right? So in principle a client-side leak of server-side resources could be noticeable with one driver but not with another. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
[Xpert]Request for help: security in luit: BSD ptys, priviledges on FreeBSD
Hello, For a few weeks now, the XFree86 CVS has included a new utility ``luit'' under xc/programs/luit. Luit does not cause any obvious security issues on systems with SVR4 ptys (SVR4, Linux 2.2 with libc 2.1.0 or later). On systems without SVR4 ptys, however, luit falls back to using BSD ptys. If it is run as an ordinary user, luit is unable to set the pty's permissions (this is an intrinsic limitation of BSD ptys). On such systems, luit should be run suid root. While I have tried to make this secure, I am a perfect newbie as far as security is concerned, and would be very, very grateful if somebody competent could go search through luit's startup code for security issues. (In 4.2.0, luit will *not* be installed suid root. Hopefully somebody can confirm that making luit suid root is safe in time for 4.3.0.) There is an additional issue: luit will only accept to run as root on systems with _POSIX_SAVED_IDS defined, as these are the only systems on which I know how to reliably drop priviledges. I am told that this is not the case of FreeBSD, which provides different (non-POSIX) means of dropping priviledges. Thus, I would be grateful if some FreeBSD person could add the necessary support. This should be a simple matter: just add a suitable version of ``droppriv'' in luit/sys.c. Thanks a lot, Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Fonts]Re: [Xpert]X cvs has a problem with the fixed font?
Dr Andrew C Aitchison writes: AA I thought (hoped?) that the scalable font renderers could cope with AA unusual dot pitches. The scalable renderers will indeed handle reasonable font pitches fine. The only issue I can see is the one of delta hints in TrueType fonts. Delta hints apply to one particular resolution, and the hints will typically only be present for a small set of common sizes. If you're using an atypical pitch, you're going to loose all benefit of delta-hinting. (Another potential issue is that of rounding behaviour, which may be ungood with unusual pitches; if so, that's a bug and will be fixed.) AA If we snap to standard values there is no incentive for AA applications to be fixed. I would tend to agree, but I don't feel strongly either way. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Copy and paste in XTerm
SG 2. Copy and paste fails in an XTerm window. However, I can paste a SG selection from an XTerm window into an RXVT window or into Emacs. Does Shift-Button2 work? (In case the application running within XTerm is mouse-aware.) If not, upgrade your XTerm. The latest versions should have no selection conversion problems. http://dickey.his.com/xterm/xterm.html (What locale are you running in?) SG (5. One last, and possibly unrelated piece of data: twm (the window SG manager that comes with XFree86) fails with a segmentation fault. ) The only known crash in twm has been recently fixed, and only happened with buggy clients. If upgrading doesn't solve your problem, could you please send a stack backtrace? SG Is it possible that XTerm pasting has been disabled in some SG configuration file? I don't think so. The selection conversion code in XTerm has undergone a reworking to get it properly internationalised; in the process, I introduced a bug. The latest versions of XTerm should fix all known selection conversion-related bugs. (I do not recall what the status of stock 4.1.0 is; however, the Debian version of 4.1.0 fixes all known bugs.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Re: 320x204 resolution
LdS where can I find this vesa driver and Xvesa server. LdS thanks... In XFree86 4.1.0 and later. The vesa driver is built by default, and is documented in its manual page. The Xvesa server is *not* built by default; for information about it, please see http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html and read its manual page too. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]xkb Turkish (ISO8859-9) Unicode Symbol Problems
Is your locale set correctly? Assuming you're running Linux/glibc, what does the ``locale'' command yeidl? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Loss of Fonts on Netscape Menu Bars in 4.1.0
I tried to upgrade to Xfree 4.1.0 from 4.0.1, and now my Netscape comes up with the words on the Toolbars as little squares instead of letters, looks like a loss of Fonts. This just a guess, but make sure you're running everything 4.1.0, in particular the font server if you're using one. MVActually, it sounds more like a driver problem with color MV expansion acceleration. To me, it sounds more like the well-known Motif bug that makes it do weird things if a 16-bit fonts gets selected in an eight-bit locale. Michel's advice sounds reasonable. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]pre-allocated colormap?
On an eight-bit visual, XDPS will allocate a 9-level gray ramp, and a 4x4x4 colour cube, for a total of 73 colourmap entries. (Colour allocation happens on the client side in XDPS.) Can RENDER deal with such a configuration? KP RENDER must have the colors allocated within the server; there's no KP provision for the extension to use a client-provided colormap. I understand that. I was asking whether RENDER can deal with a gray ramp of a different size than the diagonal of the colour cube. The 9 + 4 x 4 x 4 scheme gives excellent results (to my eyes) while leaving a lot of colour cells free. I was suggesting that you should try implementing a similar colourmap for RENDER, and see what the results look like. if you happened to create a colormap compatible with DPS for Render Just like you, I consider 8 bit colour displays to be obsolete, and I am not interested in putting much effort into making DPS work well on those. (8 and even 4 bit grayscale displays are quite nice, on the other hand.) Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]pre-allocated colormap?
On an eight-bit visual, XDPS will allocate a 9-level gray ramp, and a 4x4x4 colour cube, for a total of 73 colourmap entries. (Colour allocation happens on the client side in XDPS.) Can RENDER deal with such a configuration? Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
Re: [Xpert]Stopping and restarting X from a script..
BB This is fine for the initial deployment, but there is a BB requirement to have a button that kicks off a script that will BB kill off X and then restart it. BB I have the restarting working just fine, but wondered if there was BB a safe, reliable way to kill X from a script? You could start X from a script which will save the pid somewhere. Actually, you may want to replace that script with a real program that communicates with the X server using the same protocol as xdm. Juliusz ___ Xpert mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xpert
