Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Sean Chou]

While I do agree with the much repeated sentiment that a simple tool
which does one thing well is a "good thing" and "the UNIX way", I do
think that Yojimbo would benefit from a few changes that would address
some very frequently requested features without sacrificing
simplicity. From watching this list the past however many months
(maybe years), it seems that over 80% of the requests could be
addressed via three basic changes:

First, the true UNIX way is to embrace other tools and to allow them
via piping. Yojimbo could be very easily extended just by allowing the
data to be opened in an external application - automate the export,
open in external application, and save back to Yojimbo process.

Second, although I get the complexity of the hierarchical collections,
allowing a simple one-level of grouping would address well over 80% of
people's nested folders requests and most likely wouldn't require a
dramatic change to the Core Data implementation.

Finally, enhance the tagging implementation. There needs to be an
easier way to browse files by tags, get a tag count, and manage tags
(i.e. find and delete unused tags). One could imagine an iTunes-like
"browse" function to easily filter by tags, type, and label.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Scott J. Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Niels Kobschaetzki
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  Maybe they are doing it the Unix-way: one tool, does one task really
>  >  good and just that
>
>  I'm with you. Do one thing excellent rather than 100 things poorly.
>  I'd rather BareBones sticks with the, bare bones, and does it well.
>  Feature creep turns a small useful application into something coded by
>  a large company in Redmond.

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Scott J. Lopez]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Niels Kobschaetzki
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Maybe they are doing it the Unix-way: one tool, does one task really
>  good and just that

I'm with you. Do one thing excellent rather than 100 things poorly.
I'd rather BareBones sticks with the, bare bones, and does it well.
Feature creep turns a small useful application into something coded by
a large company in Redmond.

I'm very happy with what Yojimbo does, it's stability and it's price.
If I want features found in another application I buy that application
rather than ask it to be added into Yojimbo.

I have to wonder, are the people requesting added features into
Yojimbo posting on those other applications support resources and
asking to have Yojimbo features added?

No one can say they are blindsided by Yojimbo's features (or lack
thereof) as they are pretty clearly spelled out on the web site and
you can test it all out for yourself before you purchase.

As they say on woot: "If you don't get the crap you love, love the
crap you get." Though I hardly think Yojimbo is crap!

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Rhet Turnbull]

As others have suggested, I recommend Yep for PDFs. I would not store  
PDFs in Yojimbo. Yep stores the PDFs in the filesystem so your  
changes would get saved to back to the original file. It functions  
much like iPhoto does but for PDFs.  For more general file  
management, you might look at Leap from the same developers. Leap  
leaves your files in the filesystem--it does not use a database like  
Yojimbo does.  Leap is really a Finder from a different perspective  
that happens to manage tags.  It is not suitable for storing quick  
notes, passwords, etc. like Yojimbo. Both Yep and Leap do use a  
database for storing metadata such as tags but not the original files:


http://www.yepthat.com/

You might also consider EagleFiler.  It uses the filesystem to store  
your files so you could open the PDF in Preview or Skim and changes  
would get saved.  EagleFiler does support quick text notes too.   
Unlike Yojimbo, it supports hierarchical folders and multiple  
libraries.  But unlike Yojimbo, you can't encrypt individual items in  
a library...but you can encrypt an entire library. It also doesn't  
support true .Mac syncing but it can store it's library on an iDisk  
or other shared disk.  EagleFiler also works with TimeMachine and  
Yojimbo does not.


http://c-command.com/eaglefiler/

I have been using Yojimbo for a long time and evaluated all existing  
options at the time before settling on Yojimbo.  At the time, .Mac  
syncing was the selling point since I absolutely need access to my  
data on multiple computers and don't want to bother with manual  
syncing.  However, I'm seriously considering a switch to EagleFiler  
or some other system because of Yojimbo's lack of support for  
TimeMachine (and the developer's attitude that "it's Apple's  
problem") as well as the lack of hierarchical folders.  After giving  
tagging a good faith effort, I still prefer folders or a combination  
of the two -- especially since Yojimbo's Smart Collections are not  
very smart at all.  Based on traffic on this list, Yojimbo seems  
unlikely to support either better Smart Collections or hierarchical  
folders any time soon.


Regards
--Rhet


On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:


Hi everybody,
just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would  
like to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo  
database. How to do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do  
all my changes, save the file to the hard disk and import this file  
once again into Yojimbo. Now I have duplicate and I need to delete  
the old one file from the Yojimbo database. Even if I use Print- 
>Save as PDF in Yojimbo" option from the Preview I will get  
duplicate inside the Yojimbo database.


I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time.  
Maybe someone can suggest something to make it easier?


Thanks a lot in advance,

All the best,
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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Niels Kobschaetzki]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On 2008-04-14, at 21:47, Scott J. Lopez wrote:
>
> > Yojimbo is a wonderful tool but it isn't meant to be the tool for
> > every job out there. What you're asking for is simply outside the
> > scope of this tool, what you need is a different tool for your job.
> >
>
>  Well, I almost getting in love to Yojimbo, but this feature may be extremly
> useful, isn't it?
>  Looking at the market, there is a lot of applications, but always one or
> another missed something what might put this application as a winner, why?
>  For passwords and web related staff I have found 1Password really nice!
> Yojimbo is also useful for different things, but almost, because a lack of
> some little features.
>  So just a question for Yojimbo conservative developers, maybe it's time to
> change things little bit and win a prize?!
>
>  Yojimbo is very stable, fast and reliable. Why do not just add some more
> features to it or at least extend somehow usability of this app? C'mon guys!

Maybe they are doing it the Unix-way: one tool, does one task really
good and just that

Niels

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-14, at 21:47, Scott J. Lopez wrote:

Yojimbo is a wonderful tool but it isn't meant to be the tool for
every job out there. What you're asking for is simply outside the
scope of this tool, what you need is a different tool for your job.


Well, I almost getting in love to Yojimbo, but this feature may be  
extremly useful, isn't it?
Looking at the market, there is a lot of applications, but always one  
or another missed something what might put this application as a  
winner, why?
For passwords and web related staff I have found 1Password really  
nice! Yojimbo is also useful for different things, but almost, because  
a lack of some little features.
So just a question for Yojimbo conservative developers, maybe it's  
time to change things little bit and win a prize?!


Yojimbo is very stable, fast and reliable. Why do not just add some  
more features to it or at least extend somehow usability of this app?  
C'mon guys! 


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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Scott J. Lopez]

The simple answer is there isn't any way (to accomplish this without
an ugly series of scripts, hacks and witchcraft). Yojimbo is meant to
simply store, organize (via tags/folders) and display PDF files. There
are no built in editing, annotating, or other facilities to alter PDF
documents within Yojimbo. It simply isn't meant as that type of
product. Anything you do to export a PDF and change it is going to
require re-importing the PDF and may lose any changes if they are not
stored within the PDF itself.

Yojimbo is a wonderful tool but it isn't meant to be the tool for
every job out there. What you're asking for is simply outside the
scope of this tool, what you need is a different tool for your job.

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Niels Kobschaetzki]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On 2008-04-14, at 21:32, Kenneth Kirksey wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
> >
> > > Does Skim integrates somehow with Yojimbo?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, in the sense that there's an Applescript that will allow you to open
> a PDF from Yojimbo in Skim. Like the "View with Preview" command in Yojimbo,
> it creates a temporary copy of the file, so any changes you make will not be
> saved in Yojimbo.
> >
> >
>  But I want to store all my changes inside Yojimbo as the same file. Maybe
> some Applescript plugin to do it and of course ask whether you want to
> override the existing one or save it as a new file. Guys from Barebones, do
> you hear our need??? ;-)

the problem will be the extended attributes skim uses to store the
annotations and stuff

Niels

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-14, at 21:32, Kenneth Kirksey wrote:


On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:

Does Skim integrates somehow with Yojimbo?


Yes, in the sense that there's an Applescript that will allow you to  
open a PDF from Yojimbo in Skim. Like the "View with Preview"  
command in Yojimbo, it creates a temporary copy of the file, so any  
changes you make will not be saved in Yojimbo.


But I want to store all my changes inside Yojimbo as the same file.  
Maybe some Applescript plugin to do it and of course ask whether you  
want to override the existing one or save it as a new file. Guys from  
Barebones, do you hear our need??? ;-)





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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:

Does Skim integrates somehow with Yojimbo?


Yes, in the sense that there's an Applescript that will allow you to  
open a PDF from Yojimbo in Skim. Like the "View with Preview" command  
in Yojimbo, it creates a temporary copy of the file, so any changes  
you make will not be saved in Yojimbo.




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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
I ran into the same issue, and I came up with a very simple  
solution: don't use Yojimbo to store PDFs that you want edit or  
annotate. That's not what Yojimbo was designed for.


I've been using Leap



for storing PDFs I want to edit and have been very happy with it.  
As a bonus, Leap also acts like Yojimbo for all my files that won't  
or shouldn't go into Yojimbo.




So does it mean that you can also store quick notes and images in  
it? What kind of database it uses? You know it like to find the best  
app for your needs, but I don't want to have four apps for four  
simple tasks ;-) For me this app looks like perfect solution, but  
only for PDFs right?


Yojimbo is better for Quick Notes and some images.

You can use Leap to catalog and find _any_ file type, not just PDFs.   
I like using it for images over Yojimbo because leap has a thumbnail  
view. Here's what I use Yojimbo and Leap for:


Yojimbo
   Passwords
   Software Serial Numbers
   Short Text Notes (e.g. recipes reciepts, articles, lists)
   Clips from Web Pages
   Small PDF documents that I don't want to edit or annotate
   RTF Documents
   Web Bookmarks & Other URLS (FTP, etc.)

Leap
   PDFs that I want to edit or annotate
   Images
   Filemaker
   MindManager
   Numbers
   OmniGraffle
   OmniOutliner
   Videos
  (Basically and document format that Yojimbo doesn't support)

Yojimbo is superior to leap in the quick entry department. Between  
these two programs I have what I think is the ultimate data  
organization system. YMMV, of course.:)




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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Niels Kobschaetzki]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Krzysztof Maj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On 2008-04-14, at 21:01, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
>
> > Or use Bibdesk (http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/) for managing your
> > pdfs and Skim (http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/) for doing the
> > annotations w/out changing actually the PDFs. Both are open source
> > (and Bibdesk can show Skim notes)
> >
>
>  Does Skim integrates somehow with Yojimbo?

not that I know of

Niels

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-14, at 21:01, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:

Or use Bibdesk (http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/) for managing your
pdfs and Skim (http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/) for doing the
annotations w/out changing actually the PDFs. Both are open source
(and Bibdesk can show Skim notes)


Does Skim integrates somehow with Yojimbo?


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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

On 2008-04-14, at 20:53, Kenneth Kirksey wrote:


On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would  
like to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo  
database. How to do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do  
all my changes, save the file to the hard disk and import this file  
once again into Yojimbo. Now I have duplicate and I need to delete  
the old one file from the Yojimbo database. Even if I use Print- 
>Save as PDF in Yojimbo" option from the Preview I will get  
duplicate inside the Yojimbo database.


I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time.  
Maybe someone can suggest something to make it easier?


I ran into the same issue, and I came up with a very simple  
solution: don't use Yojimbo to store PDFs that you want edit or  
annotate. That's not what Yojimbo was designed for.


I've been using Leap



for storing PDFs I want to edit and have been very happy with it. As  
a bonus, Leap also acts like Yojimbo for all my files that won't or  
shouldn't go into Yojimbo.




So does it mean that you can also store quick notes and images in it?  
What kind of database it uses? You know it like to find the best app  
for your needs, but I don't want to have four apps for four simple  
tasks ;-) For me this app looks like perfect solution, but only for  
PDFs right?


Leap is expensive ($59) but worth it in my book. If you don't want  
to spend that much money, look at Yep ($39):




It just works with PDFs.

Hope that helps.



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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Patrick Gilmour]

Hi Krzysztof,

I uses the same method as you do - and feel the same need!!

Pat



On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:

Hi everybody,
just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would  
like to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo  
database. How to do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do  
all my changes, save the file to the hard disk and import this file  
once again into Yojimbo. Now I have duplicate and I need to delete  
the old one file from the Yojimbo database. Even if I use Print- 
>Save as PDF in Yojimbo" option from the Preview I will get  
duplicate inside the Yojimbo database.


I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time.  
Maybe someone can suggest something to make it easier?


Thanks a lot in advance,

All the best,
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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Niels Kobschaetzki]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Kenneth Kirksey
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
>
> > just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would like
> to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo database. How to
> do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do all my changes, save the
> file to the hard disk and import this file once again into Yojimbo. Now I
> have duplicate and I need to delete the old one file from the Yojimbo
> database. Even if I use Print->Save as PDF in Yojimbo" option from the
> Preview I will get duplicate inside the Yojimbo database.
> >
> > I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time. Maybe
> someone can suggest something to make it easier?
> >
>
>  I ran into the same issue, and I came up with a very simple solution: don't
> use Yojimbo to store PDFs that you want edit or annotate. That's not what
> Yojimbo was designed for.
>
>  I've been using Leap
>
>  
>
>  for storing PDFs I want to edit and have been very happy with it. As a
> bonus, Leap also acts like Yojimbo for all my files that won't or shouldn't
> go into Yojimbo.
>
>  Leap is expensive ($59) but worth it in my book. If you don't want to spend
> that much money, look at Yep ($39):
>
>  

Or use Bibdesk (http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/) for managing your
pdfs and Skim (http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/) for doing the
annotations w/out changing actually the PDFs. Both are open source
(and Bibdesk can show Skim notes)

Niels *who is not keeping PDFs in Yojimbo because of several reasons -
annotations are one*

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Re: Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Krzysztof Maj wrote:
just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would  
like to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo  
database. How to do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do  
all my changes, save the file to the hard disk and import this file  
once again into Yojimbo. Now I have duplicate and I need to delete  
the old one file from the Yojimbo database. Even if I use Print- 
>Save as PDF in Yojimbo" option from the Preview I will get  
duplicate inside the Yojimbo database.


I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time.  
Maybe someone can suggest something to make it easier?


I ran into the same issue, and I came up with a very simple solution:  
don't use Yojimbo to store PDFs that you want edit or annotate. That's  
not what Yojimbo was designed for.


I've been using Leap



for storing PDFs I want to edit and have been very happy with it. As a  
bonus, Leap also acts like Yojimbo for all my files that won't or  
shouldn't go into Yojimbo.


Leap is expensive ($59) but worth it in my book. If you don't want to  
spend that much money, look at Yep ($39):




It just works with PDFs.

Hope that helps.



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Easy annotate and save PDF in Yojimbo

[Krzysztof Maj]

Hi everybody,
just a simple question. I have PDF file inside the Yojimbo. I would  
like to annotate/rotate it and save it once again into Yojimbo  
database. How to do it? Now I have to open this file in Preview, do  
all my changes, save the file to the hard disk and import this file  
once again into Yojimbo. Now I have duplicate and I need to delete the  
old one file from the Yojimbo database. Even if I use Print->Save as  
PDF in Yojimbo" option from the Preview I will get duplicate inside  
the Yojimbo database.


I think it's irritating process just a bit and take a long time. Maybe  
someone can suggest something to make it easier?


Thanks a lot in advance,

All the best,
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