[zbmethod] Re: Advanced Team BLD
Hi Bob, No, I haven't learned any of ZBF2L, apart from knowing a few tricks which I learned before ZBF2L was even heard of. I am a firm believer in the fact that to learn a giant amount of cases you need to chop it up into fine chunks. The way I learn is all about building pathways and extending out from what I already know, so I think that the most logical extension of VHF2L in the direction of ZBF2L is to learn the set of algorithms which covers first the case which I can't use VHF2L for (my algorithm for the F2L case is U2 R2 U2 R' U' R U' R2) - and then begin learning the ones which cover the most yucky cases. You are right to say that the C/E pair trapped in the F2L is a great place to start also, but for me it's not as useful because I almost always break the pair up while solving another pair first, and using the slot as an empty slot. So I don't have these cases very often at all. In fact, I'm sure they can always be avoided, and give you less ZBF2L algorithms to learn. But that's only speculation on my part :) Dan :) --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you learned all the ZBF2L for when the C/E pair is trapped in the F2L? This seems like the most logical first extension to the VH system. ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Advanced Team BLD
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you also get OLL skips with VHF2L, although I don't know if one is better for it over the other, maybe Chris would calculate it for us :) Shouldn't it also be 1/27? As long as you are always ending with all correctly oriented edges, since you are not doing anything special with the corners, it should be the same. There are, however, cases that cannot be done using VH very easily (certain yucky connected cases and such), but there are only a few of those. Do you break them up and do VHF2L in those cases, too, Dan? ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Advanced Team BLD
Sorry to harp on about it, but I think my naming scheme for the ZBLL case would be pretty useful. Using the 3 levels concept (orientation, COLL case, edge permutation) you could always call it very easily. The codes for the edges are easy to learn, and are always the same for each case (I mean you never get anything outside of the set of 12) Hey Dan, Sorry I didn't do this sooner, but I will soon be adding your naming scheme to my ZBLL pages. I think the block method is not enough to recognize quickly, and I think your idea for the edges is really good. I've got a million things to do on my list for school and cubing, but that is on my list. I don't think block recognition will work by itself, but will also require your edge technique to go with it. Chris team [zb] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Advanced Team BLD
It was unfortunate that Chris had to leave so early at our last meeting. I was hoping to get in some of those Advanced Team BLD solves with him as you call it. I know his numbering system better than he does. And we have very similar naming scheme for the ZBF2Ls. The only problem is that I recognize COLL by CP first. But I would be able to understant the CO categorization probably. Learned a lot of team BLD codes too... what a pity the closest person to me is JonM and he's 5 hrs away. Though he doesn't seem like the type to be into team BLD. Oh and ther's this BenK guy, but I've never really meant him. Hem... I do know Chris's ZBLL naming/code convention as well now. Though I pool all the inverses together: T1 and U1 are the same thing to me, as are A and AS cases, as are T3 and T4, etc. Speaking of which I am avoiding learning the T3/T4 cases. I think those will be one of the last of ZBLL I want to learn, the COLL is just so fast... For me next up is the Heise-subset... the portion of ZBLL where the edges are solved (About two per COLL category, but many of them non- standard COLL.). -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Chris, I was wondering what your opinion would be for an advanced Team BLD technique. It would be based around ZB. The first 3 pairs would be the same. Then for the 4th pair, for example, instead of C3, you could say C3 bad front, to indicate that all edges are flipped correctly except the front one. This would give a ZBF2L with almost no added cost (since the solves are longer, the small fraction of added recognition becomes less significant). Then you can call COLL for the next step. What I'm ultimately curious about, is if it would be possible to assign a simple system that you could use to distinguish among any case and easily decide what algorithm to use for full ZB. Any thoughts? ~ Bob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
