Re: [ZION] Holy Spirit of Promise
Kent gives it as his opinion: The HSofP is the Holy Ghost. He seals/ratifies ordinances. Calling and Election Made Sure is to have diety tell you that it is so. It comes after testing to prove that you will never aposticise. It allows you to receive the 2nd comforter (personal visits from Christ) and receive the 2nd annointing ordinance. See TPJS pg 150 John W. Redelfs wrote: Is having ones Calling and Election Made Sure and being sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise the same thing? --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Nehors - Humanism
Kent Francis responds with a personal example: Let me introduce myself. My name is Kent Francis and I currently live in West Jordan, Utah. I grew up in the Bay Area of California and graduated with a Masters Degree in Cybernetics from San Jose State. I worked for IBM and Control Data for 18 years and in 1984 established my own computer software company. I have 5 children (the youngest is now 28 and so the fight has moved on to others). I offer my experiences in the hope that they may be useful to you in your attempt to teach your children proper principles, and your fight to protect them from people in the world who might do them harm. Sixteen years ago I wrote the following letter to all my children's teachers as a result of the pervasive influence of Humanism in their schools, and the destructive techniques that were being used to destroy the value system that we had tried so very hard to teach them. Dear Teacher, When we lived in California and Connecticut we were exposed to a new religion called Humanism. I say Religion because on at least two occasions the Supreme Court of the United States has judged it as such. It has a Manifesto I and II (what we would call Articles of Faith which states that there is no such thing as God, the soul, or immortal salvation, and that the Judeo-Christian religions and ethic systems are obstacles to human progress. In the areas of sexuality, they believe that intolerant attitudes cultivated by orthodox religions unduly repress sexual conduct. The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized. Mankind is the result of animal evolution and the ethic system which serves him best is one created by the principles of scientific method; there is no right or wrong, life is situational. In order to spread the concepts of their religion, they have turned to the secular channels of information; especially the educational system. Their champions are well known. John Dewey and Horace Mann, the fathers of modern education, B.F. Skinner of operant conditioning fame, J.L. Moreno who designed socioprogams, role playing and psychodrama, Maslow who created the Third Force Psychology, Dr. Carl Rogers of sensitivity training fame, Dr. Lester Kirkendall of SIECUS, Dr. Albert Ellis a leading champion of pre-marital sex, Dr. William Glasser of Reality Therapy and Schools Without Failure programs, Jerome Bruner author of the M:ACOS program, and Louis Raths and Dr. Sidney Simon - designers and promoters of Values Clarification and Values Changing curriculum. Lately the darling of educational circles is Lawrence Kohlberg of Harvard and the Center for Moral Education who calls for cognitive moral development. Because our children couldn't cope with the brainwashing, we gave up our career and retreated to the religious and conservative Utah, only to find that the local emphasis on education had allowed this atheistic religion and its values modification techniques to ingratiate itself with many of the unsuspecting educators. We were, however, pleased to learn that the Utah education code 53-14-4 and 10 specifically prohibits the teaching of atheistic religion and requires teachers to teach honesty, morality, courtesy, obedience to law, respect for parents and homes, respect for the constitutions of the US and Utah, the value of honest labor, and upright citizenship. Also it states that the importance and necessity of good manners, truthfulness, temperance, purity, patriotism and industry shall be given as instruction in connection with regular schoolwork. In addition the Hatch amendment to the US educational code specifically prohibits the use of these psychological testing techniques and practices without the express written permission of parents. Because you might not be aware of these things being a part of the curriculum or teaching materials you are using, we would welcome an opportunity to discuss them with you at your convenience. In the meantime, please do not expose our children to psychodramas, role playing, the values clarification program where they are asked to write journals which are made public, or class discussions on the values of our home and family. Especially to be avoided are moral dilemmas on who is to be chosen in life or death situations (10 people in a life boat with only room for 5...), advocacy of the new morality, and the supposed rights of students to govern their own lives without the interference of parents or other authority figures. My children are generally depressed and distressed by the whole tone of this religion, which dwells in excruciating detail on the dark side of life. Often in the name of examining the great questions of life, they emphasize inhumanity, immorality, deviation, death, disease and disfigurement. Although life is not easy, its more positive aspects have much to recommend them. We appreciate your dedication to the teaching of our children, and honor you for
Re: [ZION] Nehors - Humanism
Kent writes:
I make it a policy to stay out of boats in general {8^).
Actually I have been on and off the list for as long as there has been a
John Redelfs on the internet... usually I just lurk unless I feel I can make
a contribution.
Tom Matkin wrote:
Subject: Re: [ZION] Nehors - Humanism
Kent Francis responds with a personal example:
I think if I'm ever adrift in a 5 man lifeboat and 9 other people I want
one of them to be you! We could find a way to make it work. Thanks for
sharing your letter and experiences with us. Are you new to the list or
a long time lurker?
Tom
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Re: [ZION] Thoughts On Diet
Kent clarifies: We don't remove ALL carbs as some have reported that the brain goes into stupid mode if it doesn't get some... we try to keep to less than 40 carbs (looking at a lot more labels now) mixed with major protein. Some carbs are better than others... Potatoes turn into 95% sugar while rice is only 55% converted. Beans are less than that. My doctor suggested that a few carbs for breakfast can be good so suggested we eat raw oatmeal(not cooked) with fruit and non-fat milk for breakfast... It goes right thru without being absorbed. At lunch I usually have chili (I like Cattle Drive) with a can of roast beef dumped in, with cottage cheese and a lettace wedge, and for supper a nice steak/chicken/fish with extra vegetables and a green salad. Sometimes Judy mixes up some jello no-sugar pudding with a few sliced strawberries ontop for dessert or a fresh pear. We were big ice cream fans so switched to Blue Bunny with a little fresh fruit instead of all the sauces. Judy makes the best pies in the world so it is a big sacrifice in that regard, but our tastes have changed dramatically and we find it easy to just say no and have a fresh apple instead. Stacy Smith wrote: You know, the more I think about it, I didn't quite experiment that way before. I had only protein for two meals and carbs for a third meal. But what is being proposed would be very hard to live with but I guess I'd have to find a tasty way. I don't remember God opposing bread and such, especially whole wheat, and diabetic educators never tell people to eliminate pasta, potatoes or rice from the diet, but if it means never going on dialysis or insulin I might have to try it. I don't know what I'd do about the traditional birthday, Christmas and Thanksgiving celebrations but they would be very few and far between. It's back to taste, I suppose, since I have a hard time tolerating most vegetables but not all. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Boyd K. Packer art exhibit
Kent Francis says: My wife and I went to the opening of the Boyd K Packer Art exhibit at the Church Art museum west of Temple square... it was incredible. There are about 70 pieces ranging from when he was a kid just learning thru his latest sculptures... the whole thing is very well done. Incidently you can see some of the pieces on the lds.org website by clicking on church history/church history museum/then on the exhibit icon. It lets you click/drag/rotate the bird sculptures... (be sure to click the ! icon on the right to get information popup about the sculpture). Besides sketches, pictures and sculptures of birds, there is a copy of his carved fireplace mantel and some furniture he has done... as well as paintings and drawings of landscapes and portrait studies. It will be there for a year. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] For Stacy other diabetics
Kent Francis writes: I went thru all the medications for a year e.g. Glucophage (Metformin HCL) 500 mg 3 per day- to increase insulin sensitivity in the muscle tissues decreases liver production - one of the oldest and most effective drugs Lipitor (Atorvastatin) 10 mg 1 per day lowers cholesterol Actos (pioglitazone) 45 mg 1 per day- increase insulin sensitivity Amaryl (Glimepiride) 4 mg 1 per day. Stim b cells in pancreas- sulfonylurea like glyburide and finally as my morning blood sugar levels climbed from 150 to 275 started a slow acting insulin at night called Lantus (insulin glargine)10 ml ... it wasn't working anymore and my doctor said that I had developed an insulin insensitivity and needed to control my weight. When the normal eat less/exercise more program didn't work we tried xenical (orlistat) 120 mg fat blocker which turns fat into motor oil (very messy). Finally he put me on a low-carb diet and cut back the meds (I stopped the Actos, and Amaryl). It is pretty simple - all the meat/dairy I want, plenty of salad/vegetables, some fruit. No pasta, potatoes, bread, peas, corn, desserts (except sugarless), sugar drinks (except diet)... The change was miraculous... in the last 3 months I lost 25 lbs and my morning sugar count went down to 110-130 levels again. My wife went on the diet with me and also lost 25+ lbs (it is helpful when everyone eats the same way). Our desire for sweet stuff is gone and we feel great. Chet Cox wrote: Stacy (don't anyone else look, y'hear?) asked where to find more diabetic products. Well if you believe the deputy sheriff from Brigham City, a place called Liberty will deliever diabetic supplies right to your door. For the rest of us, it's one of the first things I do when we move to a new town: check out what's available for diabetics. For the basics (glucose tablets, sugar-free cold medicines, skin lotion) the Reli-On products at Wal-Mart are great - and inexpensive. I cannot recommend their body wash more highly. Wal-Mart also carries the best healing lotion for diabetics I've found: Neoteric's Advanced Healing Cream. All the above is with the meters and test strips near the pharmacy in every Wal-Mart that exists. As for the not-so-basics, I guess it depends on what you're looking for. CVS pharmacies carry (or can order) teflon-woven socks which really help on foot maintenance. I always call up the local diabetic section of the closest hospital and find out what there is in the way of a local support group. And I always - ALWAYS - try to find a Safeway or a Wal-Mart Supercenter because those are the only two groceries which carry the world's best sugar-free ice cream (Blue Bunnie -- especially their sugar-free drumsticks). Your doctor or her staff ought to be able to point you towards some other helps. And I highly recommend logging onto Rick Mendosa's website (www.mendosa.com) for his monthly magazine Diabetes Update. Rick is the most prolific writer on diabetes out there, and usually has news and reviews of new products and developments before ADA's magazine does. Best of luck! (OK - the rest of you can peek now.) *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to know more about how to get more diabetic products because I can't find them in my local supermarket. Stacy. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Caral, Peru 2627 B.C.
Kent Francis writes:
If we look at the Bible as history, the distances involved are less than 500
miles by 100 miles and the area was inhabited by Phoenesian, Philistines,
Syrians, Egyptians and other peoples in addition to the Israelites... who
were at various times in their history politically fractionated.
Why have we subscribed to the concept that all the native americans were
Nephite/Lamanites?
The various tribes of the Americas (from both genetic and language
groupings) are divided into groups:
1. The Eskimo-Aleut groups (10 languages 85,000 speakers)
2. The Na-Dene - (not related to groups 1 or 3-8)
North-Western Na-Dene - Haida, Tlingit, Athabaskan (30 languages)
Southern Na-Dene - Apache, Cree, Navaho (130,000 speakers) - arrived
in SW from the north about 1200 AD
583 Amerind languages and groups:
3. Northern Amerind
a1. Almosan - includes Kutenai, Algonquian, Cree, Ojibwa, and 3 other
languages - Canada NewEngland
a2. Keresiouan - includes Keres, Liouan, Iroquoian, Caddoan - Midwest to
Atlantic coast - Cherokee
b. Penutian - Oregon and Calif, SouthEast , Gulf group - Pima, Papago,
Nahua,
SouthernMexico group (Huava, Mixe-Zoque, Totonacan),
and the Maya in Yucatan and Guatamala same group in NewMexico = Zuni
c. Hokan - calif parts of Az
4. Central Amerind
a. Chibchan sw Mexico, central america south of Yucatan, Venezual
North Brazil includes Yanomame Guaymi.
b. Paezan (north Florida, Colombia coast, Ecuador, Chilean Andes/coast
5. 20 Andean languages (Quechua and Aymara - Inca empire) Mapuche =
Araucanians
6. Equatorial - Tucanoan 9 groups in western Brazil
7. Eqauatorial Caribbean islands, Uraguay, Venezuala, Ckolombia, Ecuador,
Peru, Central Eastern Brazil
8. Ge-Pano-Carib - Southern Brazil
By looking at the different distributions of blood allele's in the native
populations sampled, there is a high correlation with both geographical and
lingusitic factors that allow separations into distinct (non-related) groups.
Perhaps when someone dives into the data, we could identify a group that
might in fact qualify for the Nephites that we are looking for... if only
one of the three Nephites would drop by for a blood test {8^)...
well let me digress to a former posting I made:
First of all I am NOT claiming that Bolivia is the site for Zarahemla {8^).
I am like everyone else urging caution in jumping to conclusions - however,
I am looking for parallels and hints as a way of trying to understand who
the Book of Mormon Peoples might have been and where they might have lived.
I don't believe (as many of my ancestors did) that all indians are Lamanites.
I believe that the Book of Mormon may have been a localized account rather
than the history of all of North, Central, and South America. The rise of
the Olmec and Mayan civilizations do correlate to Book of Mormon Histories
of the Jaredites and Nephites/Lamanites; hence the attempt by many to build
a geographical correlation in Guatamala. What pointed me in the direction
of Bolivia is a chance statement from the Genome project which I have been
studying.
First of all, a related article in the popular press which some have reacted
to by stating that there are no Lamanites here.
(My research is a few years old so there may have been some advances in this
area)
Native Americans may be able to trace heritage to rare gene
Copyright (c) 1996 Nando.net
Copyright (c) 1996 San Francisco Examiner
SAN FRANCISCO (Jan 10, 1996 11:04 a.m. EST) -- All Native Americans
may be able to trace their heritage back to a rare genetic mutation
in one man, passed on about 30,000 years ago to his son and future
descendants, according to new Stanford University research.
A search of more than 500 DNA samples from populations around the
world revealed a mutation on the Y chromosome found only in Indian
populations in North and South America and in Eskimo groups.
This one-time mutation is a genetic footprint of our forebears'
prehistoric wanderings across the Americas -- and is still imprinted
in the genetic code of today's native Americans.
We think that somewhere back in human history, there was this
unique mutation event, lead researcher Peter Underhill, a research
associate in genetics at Stanford University, said Monday. It
probably happened only once, on one Y chromosome, and a faithful
copy (of the mutation) was passed on from this father to his son,
and all future offspring.
The mutation is found in samples of blood and hair of people
representing all three far-flung language groups of native
Americans, thought to have split up and gone their separate ways
long ago: Amerind, represented by South American Indians; Na-Dene,
represented by groups such as the Navajos; and Eskimo-Aleut.
Researchers say this suggests that the genetic mutation may have
occurred before the split and subsequent language differentiation --
perhaps among
