Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-15 Thread Jon Spencer
Marc A. Schindler wrote:

> We could call it the Ketchikan Duty Free Zone, like they have in the
U.A.E.

JWR - what do you think of this?  is it a good idea?  If so, I could try to
get it on the North Carolina Republican Party platform.  :-)

[SNIP]

>Where there's a genuine cloud on the horizon is the Northwest Passage,
which has
>been too ice-choked to be considered as a serious alternative to the Panama
Canal.
>However, with global warming breaking up the ice pack, the NWP is ice-free
for
>longer and longer periods each year. Soon it will be completely navigable.
And
>we're not sure we want a "Valdez" sailing through our waters (again, the US
>considers it an international passageway). Oil tankers from Aberdeen and
Bergen
>could get to San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver and Los Angeles faster
through the
>NWP than they can through the Panama Canal. One compromise that has been
proposed
>is that every ship register with Ottawa, and be escorted through the
Passage by a
>Canadian coast guard vessel (this was concept-tested a few years ago with
the MS
>Manhattan, being led by an RCMP patrol and icebreaker ship.)

What cloud?  This is sew kewl!  The Chinese just wasted quite a lot of time
and money grabbing up the Panama Canal!  Fooled them, didn't we?  And this
will provide many, many jobs for the Canadians, what with all the escort
services they will have to provide.  (I hope this escort service doesn't
degenerate into the filth that other escort services have fallen to :-)

Jon

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Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-15 Thread Marc A. Schindler
We could call it the Ketchikan Duty Free Zone, like they have in the U.A.E.

Good news, incidentally. Our foreign minister, Graham Fraser, interceded directly
with Colin Powell, who made sure the 1990 letter which the INS had issued
guaranteeing Pohémétagook residents the right to access all parts of their town
(the only way in and out of this gas station, after all, is through Canada, unless
you're on foot and jump a fence), made it down to the New York DA's office, who
suddenly announced today that they were dropping their appeal of the granting of
bail to Mr. Jalbert. The INS also released him about the same time, without
explanation, and have allowed him to return to P'gook. His trial is scheduled in
Bangor for January.

There are a few oddities like this. Kids on a small peninsula that sticks down
from Vancouver are on U.S. soil, and have no school. They are bussed every day
into Canada, around the bay to White Rock, back into the U.S., to their Bellingham
school, and the reverse every evening. There's also the Northwest Angle, which is
a piece of land that sticks out eastwards from Manitoba into Lake of the Woods,
which is part of Minnesota. You cannot get there without driving through Manitoba.

A kind of reverse situation is a strait that separates the Queen Charlottes, which
are part of BC (Davis Inlet) and Prince of Wales Island, just south of JWR. The
border between Alaska and BC was only settled after a heated negotiation failed to
come up with a solution, so the two parties appealed to Britain as a neutral
party. Britain basically went with the US proposal, but one thing everyone
overlooked, or simply didn't know, was that the 54o40' line, which goes back to
the days of sorting out the Oregon Territory between four parties (Spain, Russia,
USA and Britain), comes so close to the southern tip of PoW Island that it's
actually in what would normally be domestic waters. Technically, you take a dory
ride off the island, and you're almost immediately in Canadian waters. The U.S.
has repeatedly tried to reopen this for negotiation, and Canada's response has
been "only when you recognize the Inside Passage" where at times Vancouver Island
is less than 3 km from the mainland "as Canadian domestic waters" (the U.S.
considers it an international waterway). So, impasse city. Kind of silly though.

In actual fact, the two countries cooperate. Canada ignores the Davis Inlet
problem, allows free access to Pt. Roberts WA and the Northwest Angle, and allows
Alaskan ferries and pleasure boats to sail the Inside Passage without customs and
immigration interference. After all, some of these ferries land in Canadian ports
for sightseeing stops, so it's good business for both sides.

Where there's a genuine cloud on the horizon is the Northwest Passage, which has
been too ice-choked to be considered as a serious alternative to the Panama Canal.
However, with global warming breaking up the ice pack, the NWP is ice-free for
longer and longer periods each year. Soon it will be completely navigable. And
we're not sure we want a "Valdez" sailing through our waters (again, the US
considers it an international passageway). Oil tankers from Aberdeen and Bergen
could get to San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver and Los Angeles faster through the
NWP than they can through the Panama Canal. One compromise that has been proposed
is that every ship register with Ottawa, and be escorted through the Passage by a
Canadian coast guard vessel (this was concept-tested a few years ago with the MS
Manhattan, being led by an RCMP patrol and icebreaker ship.)

Jon Spencer wrote:

> I personally think that the land that Canada would cede to the US should
> instead be ceded to JWR.  He can then move there and live in peace, and not
> have to worry that he is invading Iraq.
>
> Jon
>
> Sandy Rabinowitz wrote"
>
> > My goodness.  How difficult would it be for the US and Canada
> > to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards?  Let
> > the pumps fly the Canadian flag, and if'll make the U.S.
> > happy, let them build their fences and their watchtowers
> > behind the filling station.  And if the US is concerned about
> > losing territory, maybe they can get a few hectares of land
> > in the Yukon annexed to Alaska, and then it's all even-steven.
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Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-15 Thread Jon Spencer
I personally think that the land that Canada would cede to the US should
instead be ceded to JWR.  He can then move there and live in peace, and not
have to worry that he is invading Iraq.

Jon

Sandy Rabinowitz wrote"

> My goodness.  How difficult would it be for the US and Canada
> to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards?  Let
> the pumps fly the Canadian flag, and if'll make the U.S.
> happy, let them build their fences and their watchtowers
> behind the filling station.  And if the US is concerned about
> losing territory, maybe they can get a few hectares of land
> in the Yukon annexed to Alaska, and then it's all even-steven.

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Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Its owners live in Canada, so you raise a very good question about taxation, and
I'm not sure what the answer is.

Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz wrote:

> My goodness.  How difficult would it be for the US and Canada
> to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards?  Let
> the pumps fly the Canadian flag, and if'll make the U.S.
> happy, let them build their fences and their watchtowers
> behind the filling station.  And if the US is concerned about
> losing territory, maybe they can get a few hectares of land
> in the Yukon annexed to Alaska, and then it's all even-steven.
>
> I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't ordinarily have an issue
> with our respective governments trying to enforce a border,
> but this is ridiculous!
>
> Incidentally, that makes me wonder...how is the gas station
> itself able to conduct business?  Must it file U.S. and
> Canadian tax returns?  What if the cash register is
> on the Canadian side of the line?  Does that mean customers
> then pay both Maine sales tax and the Canadian GST?  Is
> there a huge painted red line in the middle of the station's
> parking lot that says "Caution: US Border, cross at your
> own risk"?  And if our government is willing to do all this
> for a gas station, what might they do if a "Shopper's Drug
> Mart" occupied the same space?  Oh, the ideas that abound...
> /Sandy/
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Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-14 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
My goodness.  How difficult would it be for the US and Canada
to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards?  Let
the pumps fly the Canadian flag, and if'll make the U.S.
happy, let them build their fences and their watchtowers
behind the filling station.  And if the US is concerned about
losing territory, maybe they can get a few hectares of land 
in the Yukon annexed to Alaska, and then it's all even-steven.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't ordinarily have an issue
with our respective governments trying to enforce a border, 
but this is ridiculous!  

Incidentally, that makes me wonder...how is the gas station
itself able to conduct business?  Must it file U.S. and 
Canadian tax returns?  What if the cash register is
on the Canadian side of the line?  Does that mean customers
then pay both Maine sales tax and the Canadian GST?  Is 
there a huge painted red line in the middle of the station's
parking lot that says "Caution: US Border, cross at your
own risk"?  And if our government is willing to do all this
for a gas station, what might they do if a "Shopper's Drug
Mart" occupied the same space?  Oh, the ideas that abound...
/Sandy/

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