Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:i would suggest that you find out the ipnumbers of the users who arehaving problems. with that information, then search your logs forentries for their connections, and examine those. that way you'lllikely have a better idea of what to look at.Right, good idea :) Here are the beginnings of some of those numbers:66.185204.870.8512.161I opened Z2.log and tried to find those number like this:/66.185but nothing came of it. So I tried things like this:grep "66.185" /var/log/messagesand nothing came up that way either :( What do?[between your cookies and _javascript_ i did find the one site unusable -i default to having both off and your site just kept looping.]You must be using Firefox with plug-ins. I have the same problem, although people who use a more stripped-down version of FF apparently don't.Thanks,beno Original Message Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 07:34:26 AM -0700 From: beno - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: zope@zope.org Subject: POUND AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug! To summarize, I'm newly using Pound as a reverse-proxy for Zope. I'm using VHM mapping to pass the requests to the appropriate folders in Zope. I have some clients who can't see their sites, but I and many others can. They get this message: "Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi" which is my site (web.vi). I can see the sites just fine. And I can't find a bug anywhere!!! jens wrote: "Posted with no comments"?? You can read, can you? This is now the third time (read: 3) that I'm telling you that these entries are not errors. NotFound (or 404) is completely normal. Stop looking at them! Okay, okay, BUT JENS... It's been over a WEEK that my client can't see her site AND I DON'T KNOW WHY!! Here's what I'm doing: * Checking the error log for messages. The only ones I get are the ones you say are normal (even with those brackets "[" and "]", right?) * Checking the Z2.log and find nothing amiss. * What else should I check? I'm desperate! Please understand!! Here are examples (to which Jens complains) from Z2.log of client sites that apparently don't render for many people trying to hit them, but these examples look perfectly normal to me: 202.71.106.119 - Anonymous [16/Aug/2006:00:27:36 +] "GET /800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/marketItems/fetchPhotoThumb?s ku=F-0400 HTTP/1.1" 200 24163 "http://blackbeardale.com/800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/Main_fram e.pt?category=foxys_lager" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" 202.71.106.119 - Anonymous [16/Aug/2006:00:27:36 +] "GET /800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/marketItems/fetchPhotoThumb?s ku=F-0450 HTTP/1.1" 200 12894 "http://blackbeardale.com/800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/Main_fram e.pt?category=foxys_lager" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" 202.71.106.119 - Anonymous [16/Aug/2006:00:27:37 +] "GET /800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/marketItems/fetchPhotoThumb?s ku=F-0480 HTTP/1.1" 200 37165 "http://blackbeardale.com/800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/Main_fram e.pt?category=foxys_lager" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" 202.71.106.119 - Anonymous [16/Aug/2006:00:27:37 +] "GET /800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/marketItems/fetchPhotoThumb?s ku=F-0500 HTTP/1.1" 200 15901 "http://blackbeardale.com/800/s/c/x/en-us/EMarket/Our_Store/Main_fram e.pt?category=foxys_lager" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" To be honest, looking at the insane _javascript_ stuff that you invoke several times over before even showing any content I am surprised anyone can view the site. You should ditch all the useless code that tries several times over to guess screen sizes. If you actually paid someone to write that steaming pile of _javascript_ you need to get a lawyer.Sorry you don't like my JS, Jens. I'm happy with it. But I thought perhaps it might be somehow interfere with the rendering of the site for the client, even though it hadn't before I went to Pound. So I replaced it with a bare-bones DTML page for the index_html and it still didn't render for the client. 3 TIA, beno - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.-- End Original Message -- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
So...* I cannot find any IP addresses in Z2.log that these clients would be using to access their sites.* I can find plenty of examples of my own IP address, so I know it's logging correctly.Therefore, it would appear that the requests coming from these clients aren't reaching Zope. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT CONCLUSION?However, if they *aren't* reaching Zope, why do they receive a screen message like this: "Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi" where web.vi is my personal site?TIA,beno Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Aug 2006, at 11:35, beno - wrote: So... * I cannot find any IP addresses in Z2.log that these clients would be using to access their sites. * I can find plenty of examples of my own IP address, so I know it's logging correctly. Therefore, it would appear that the requests coming from these clients aren't reaching Zope. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT CONCLUSION? However, if they *aren't* reaching Zope, why do they receive a screen message like this: Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi where web.vi is my personal site? Instead of continuing to stab in the dark, which you have been doing the whole time, you need to spend the time to get familiar with the tools you are using and with basic troubleshooting techniques. You're just jumping from one unfounded conclusion to the next and waste your own and your clients time. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE4zxkRAx5nvEhZLIRAnbfAJoDMDXiYS4saPHVsIvKYa0tb7RHUQCgkGHc 4kBu/xEfvW65wly3/81+EKU= =Lbg3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
Could it be that the combination of Pound and VHM are mapping your client's connection to your personal website? Does your pesonal website have a splash screen that presents Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi? If so, you should be able to find the log enties and get a bit more information. Pound has several logging options which may also be helpful. As several folks here have noted, you need to approach this problem systematically. You need to try to trace what is happending using the tool that are available. On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, beno - wrote: So... * I cannot find any IP addresses in Z2.log that these clients would be using to access their sites. * I can find plenty of examples of my own IP address, so I know it's logging correctly. Therefore, it would appear that the requests coming from these clients aren't reaching Zope. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT CONCLUSION? However, if they *aren't* reaching Zope, why do they receive a screen message like this: Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi where web.vi is my personal site? TIA, beno - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
3Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Instead of continuing to stab in the dark, which you have been doing the whole time, you need to spend the time to get familiar with the tools you are using and with basic troubleshooting techniques. Wonderful, Jens. So, what do you suggest? I would have thought Z2.py and/or the error logs would help me out here, but they aren't. Apparently, these aren't the tools I should be using, but what are if these aren't?? Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Aug 2006, at 12:11, beno - wrote: Instead of continuing to stab in the dark, which you have been doing the whole time, you need to spend the time to get familiar with the tools you are using and with basic troubleshooting techniques. Wonderful, Jens. So, what do you suggest? I would have thought Z2.py and/or the error logs would help me out here, but they aren't. Apparently, these aren't the tools I should be using, but what are if these aren't?? You're still not reading or understanding what people tell you to do. It's like talking to a wall. I suggested using network traffic analysis with e.g. ethereal to analyze the traffic between your server and the problematic client's browser. Other posters also suggested browser tools like Mozilla/FireFox LiveHTTPHeaders and similar products for IE to analyze headers that are sent back and forth between the problematic browser and your server. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE40c2RAx5nvEhZLIRAhfJAKCFAZtCMThnwcQG2wZ+tfnMKzuimwCeKD2e gtsSTqkY4rbue48mLjLXVm4= =0kcZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: POUND/VHM AND ZOPE HELL!!! was: Re: [Zope] Can't Find This Bug!
On 16 Aug 2006, at 11:35, beno - wrote: So... * I cannot find any IP addresses in Z2.log that these clients would be using to access their sites. * I can find plenty of examples of my own IP address, so I know it's logging correctly. Therefore, it would appear that the requests coming from these clients aren't reaching Zope. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT CONCLUSION? Probably. (Note that Z2.log only includes requests for which a response is sent to the client. If for some reason a response is not sent (e.g. the zope thread hangs, or the client disconnects) nothing will be logged even though a request did reach zope. But this may not be relevant to your situation, I don't know.) I've not used Pound. Does it log IP addresses? Have you looked at that log? However, if they *aren't* reaching Zope, why do they receive a screen message like this: Zope \n Welcome to Web.vi where web.vi is my personal site? This is not a message that a default zope installation creates. So where does it come from? I've no idea. Is it possible that you've configured something other than zope to generate such a message? e.g. pound? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
