Re: [Zope] utf-8 vs. unicode question(s)
--On Freitag, 6. Mai 2005 19:40 Uhr +0200 Jürgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have set my python default encoding to utf-8, i always send http responses from zope as utf-8 My personal point on changing the default encoding of Python: don't do it (other people will see this different). As long as you are dealing with really only *one* encoding it might be ok. As soon as you mix different encoding (which happens easily with utf8 and iso-8859-X) you are doomed at some point within your application because you will never know why it some string with some encoding converted to whatever. My strategy if you need unicode: keep the default encoding as it is (ascii) and convert everything internally to Python unicode string - not to utf8 encoded string. Perform every operation internally using unicode strings. Only convert to utf8 on the presentation level (means when you send data back to the client or export data to the filesystem or whatever). Such a clean separation between internal Unicode representation and external representation saves you a lot of trouble. -aj pgpef3FW1knbO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is it possible to extend Zopes WebDAV authentication?
On May 6, 2005, at 23:52 , mark hellewell wrote: On 5/6/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it does not. You have no such thing like a session when all you have is webdav. I dont know if many dav-clients store cookies too - it may depend on your usecase. Yes the use-case is Windows Explorer users only. If this is supposed to use that Web Folder thingy in Windoze Explorer you might want to reconsider. That WebDAV implementation is seriously broken. Installing helpers like WebDrive on Windoze seems to make WebDAV access work for many people. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is it possible to extend Zopes WebDAV authentication?
Web Folders pass cookies around too, FWIW, so it's probably not strictly necessary to use http basic auth. But without using http basic auth, there is no way to log in unless you have them go to the web interface first, then launch a web folder, so maybe impractical. - C On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 06:31, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On May 6, 2005, at 23:52 , mark hellewell wrote: On 5/6/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it does not. You have no such thing like a session when all you have is webdav. I dont know if many dav-clients store cookies too - it may depend on your usecase. Yes the use-case is Windows Explorer users only. If this is supposed to use that Web Folder thingy in Windoze Explorer you might want to reconsider. That WebDAV implementation is seriously broken. Installing helpers like WebDrive on Windoze seems to make WebDAV access work for many people. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Debugging product init with zopectl?
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 12:48, J Cameron Cooper wrote: I agree, it would be nice to have zLOG work on startup, but I don't know how easy/possible that is. FWIW, the reason zLOG doesn't start writing to the log at an earlier time is that it waits until the process can switch effective users. If it didn't and Zope started by root (or another user that isn't the desired effective user), some log files might be written as root, and would become unwritable at a second startup (this used to be a FAQ before Zope 2.7 prevented it from happening). Probably some work can be done here to be smarter in cases where this doesn't matter. - C ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Security framework troubles
Anders Bruun Olsen wrote at 2005-5-6 18:19 +0200: ... security = ClassSecurityInfo() security.setDefaultAccess(deny) security.declareProtected(View Bookbase, index_html) ... When the template tries to access container/title an access denied expection is raised. With VerboseSecurity I get this explanaition: Unauthorized: The container has no security assertions. Access to 'title' of (Bookbase at /bookbase) denied. What exactly am I missing here? Up to Zope 2.8, you cannot protect access to objects of simple type (such the title attribute of type string) in an easy way. Access to such attributes are dually protected: By the Object Permission (set via security.declareObjectProtected) *and* the setDefaultAccess. setDefaultAccess can in fact take dictionaries and callables as arguments. Read the Zope Developper Guide for the types available for __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ and how they are interpreted. setDefaultAccess just causes its argument to be assigned to __allow_acc -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Debugging product init with zopectl?
J Cameron Cooper wrote at 2005-5-6 11:48 -0500: ... I agree, it would be nice to have zLOG work on startup, but I don't know how easy/possible that is. It would be very easy -- with the exception of people that run Zope as root (and later switch the process user). This silly silent logging during startup was only implemented to avoid problems occuring when Zope starts up as root and later switches. Zope could easily start logging as soon as it had read the configuration file and had seen that it is not going to switch users. In debug mode (the default) Zope fails when a Product fails to init. This is useful when running 'runzope' since you don't have to kill Zope. Without debug mode, Zope will start up, but the Product will be broken, and its failure listed in the Products section of the Control Panel. But unfortunately, there are errors that are not reported via the product's Traceback tab. The only reliable source is the logfile. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] A memory leak in Zope, PageTemplateFile and macros?
Marco Bizzarri wrote at 2005-5-6 22:35 +0200: ... However, if you access start_html, which uses the standard_template_html as a macro, you can see an increase. I saw a small one after thousands of requests. ... You're mentioning that these could be normal causes, but what are these causes? Small memory consumption increases can be caused by an effect known as memory fragmentation. The C runtime library (and Python on top of it) does not support memory compaction. Therefore, free memory areas can only be joined together if they are adjacent (and even then memory management may not do it). As a consequence, the free memory tends to be fragmented in a large number of small blocks. ... I've tried this both on 2.7.3 and 2.7.6, and in both cases I'm experiencing the problem. Do you have any suggestion on what I could possibly investigate? The usual approach in investigating memory leaks works as follows: * you flush the ZODB caches (Control_Panel -- Database Management -- your database -- Flush cache -- minimize). * you visit Control_Panel -- Debug information and update snapshot * you perform your test * you flush the ZODB caches * you visit Control_Panel -- Debug information and analyse the changes in reference counts (in the middle of the page). This allows you to recognize leaks at the level of instances (of classes). The LeakFinder product helps you with the above steps. I did this for your case and could not determine leaking instances. When instances of static types (e.g. strings, integers, dictionaries, ...) leak, they cannot be detected in this way. Neither can leaked caused by fragmented memory. Python can be build in a special way to analyse leaks of any Python objects. Note, however, that all C extensions (especially Zope) must be then build in a consistent way. Tracking down such leaks is even more expensive that those involving standard Zope objects. There are tools around to analyse leaks at the C level. I had used the commercial product purify once (a long time ago). Andreas (Jung) told me that some open source project (I think it was KDE) has built a similar tool. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is it possible to extend Zopes WebDAV authentication?
Am Samstag, den 07.05.2005, 12:04 -0400 schrieb Chris McDonough: Web Folders pass cookies around too, FWIW, so it's probably not strictly necessary to use http basic auth. But without using http basic auth, there is no way to log in unless you have them go to the web interface first, then launch a web folder, so maybe impractical. Well, in theory its possible if the client accepts cookie to just store the amount of wrong attempts via cookie (or id - which would be the same) and deny any password, be it even the correct one when it comes via basic auth. But I strongly believe this does not save from abuse because its just too easy to remove the cookie or just not accept it in the first place. So I'd say its not worth the work. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is it possible to extend Zopes WebDAV authentication?
On 5/7/05, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Folders pass cookies around too, FWIW, so it's probably not strictly necessary to use http basic auth. But without using http basic auth, there is no way to log in unless you have them go to the web interface first, then launch a web folder, so maybe impractical. That's exactly what's happening at the moment; the WebDAV access is linked to via the web interface after they log in (it's only one small part of a larger system). They log in via the web, gaining a cookie which is passed to the Explorer 'web folders' thing, so when they click on the link to the WebDAV part of the site the cookie is still valid and they don't have to log in to WebDAV. * All I'm trying to do is boost the security of the system overall by ensuring an attacker can't simply sidestep the 'three login failure lockout' just by repeatedly trying to log in via WebDAV. mark * A thought occurs to me after writing it like this. Might it be possible to forbid HTTP Basic auth logins to WebDAV, so that only cookies are the allowed authentication type? - C ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Is it possible to extend Zopes WebDAV authentication?
On 5/7/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, in theory its possible if the client accepts cookie to just store the amount of wrong attempts via cookie (or id - which would be the same) and deny any password, be it even the correct one when it comes via basic auth. Store the incorrect login count client-side in a cookie?! No way! :) But I strongly believe this does not save from abuse because its just too easy to remove the cookie or just not accept it in the first place. So I'd say its not worth the work. Yes, I think it would be a bad idea. mark ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope stops responding on hpux
Dear list-members I am desperately trying to get our zope application run on hpux, and any help is greatly appreciated. I have the following problem: When I click on a tal-object (Page Template) to edit it, then zope stops responding. No error is logged, nothing. I even cannot stop zope anymore with zopectl stop or control-c if started with runzope. It seems that zope silently crashes... However, I can create a tal-object, it only happens when I try to edit. The last entries in tracert.log are: snip B 1087990040 2005-05-07T22:52:27 GET /temp_folder/tz/manage_workspace I 1087990040 2005-05-07T22:52:27 0 A 1087990040 2005-05-07T22:52:27 302 370 E 1087990040 2005-05-07T22:52:27 B 1087991560 2005-05-07T22:52:27 GET /temp_folder/tz/pt_editForm I 1087991560 2005-05-07T22:52:27 0 crash The last entries in Z2.log: snip 127.0.0.1 - admin [07/May/2005:22:51:57 +0200] POST /temp_folder/manage_addProduct/PageTemplates/manage_addPageTemplate HTTP/1.1 302 215 http://localhost:8080/temp_folder/manage_addProduct/PageTemplates/manage_addPageTemplateForm; Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3 127.0.0.1 - admin [07/May/2005:22:51:57 +0200] GET /temp_folder/manage_main HTTP/1.1 200 15638 http://localhost:8080/temp_folder/manage_addProduct/PageTemplates/manage_addPageTemplateForm; Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3 127.0.0.1 - admin [07/May/2005:22:51:57 +0200] GET /misc_/PageTemplates/zpt.gif HTTP/1.1 304 258 http://localhost:8080/temp_folder/manage_main; Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3 127.0.0.1 - admin [07/May/2005:22:52:27 +0200] GET /temp_folder/tz/manage_workspace HTTP/1.1 302 370 http://localhost:8080/temp_folder/manage_main; Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3 ---crash My configuration are: Python 2.3.3 compiled from source downloaded from the HP site: http://hpux.connect.org.uk/hppd/hpux/Languages/python-2.3.3/ This is the only python I manage to compile with-threads enabled. Zope 2.7.6-final compiled from source hpux version: $ uname -a HP-UX zuse B.11.11 U 9000/800 647349392 unlimited-user license Zope Version (Zope 2.7.6-final, python 2.3.3, hp-ux11) Python Version 2.3.3 (#40, May 3 2005, 09:18:26) [GCC 3.4.3] System Platform hp-ux11 I have also compiled and run zope versions 2.7.0/3/5, with no luck and always the same problem. Has anyone seen a similar problem with zope? Is anyone running zope successfully on hpux? Information on zope on hpux is very scarce, so I fear that I am very lonely in the field... Any hint is greatly appreciated where I can look at or how I could debug zope. Thank you very much Samuel ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: RSS feed: post-processing?
MILLER Eva evam at multcolib.org writes:
So far, I've written the following python script to accomplish what I'm trying
to do:
# Finds ISBNs in a link and creates a new link to search a library catalog
import re,string, urllib,urllib2
def librarylookup ():
href = open(booktest.txt)
line = href.read()
isbn = re.search ('(is[bs]n=)([0-9]*)',line)
lookup=a
href=\http://ipac.multcolib.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?index=ISBNterm=%sCheck the
catalog/a % (isbn)
print lookup
librarylookup()
---
My problem is the booktest.txt part. I'm just doing that to test the rest of the
script, which seems to work. What I actually need the script to do is read the
input from an RSS feed on pages like this one:
http://demo.plinkit.org/interestsideas/goodreads/sinList?synmap=HardcoverFiction
I want the script to insert a link to a public library catalog that searches for
this item. So, it has to read the RSS feed and leave behind the link. It would
have to be invoked for every ISBN, I guess. I'm using CMFSin to get the feeds.
I know I have to create this as an external method then call it. Kinda unsure
how to do that part, too.
Someone out there surely knows more than I do. Actually, almost everyone out
there knows more than I do. Help the poor librarian!
Eva
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Re: [Zope] Zope stops responding on hpux
On May 7, 2005, at 23:45 , Samuel Bieri wrote: Dear list-members I am desperately trying to get our zope application run on hpux, and any help is greatly appreciated. I have the following problem: I know this isn't really helpful, but when it comes to exotic operating systems like HP-UX you might be all on your own and there won't be many people to help. If you really want to use Zope it might be easier and cheaper in the long run to buy a i386-based commodity server and put Linux on it. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Find a object in a zope list
I have a fold and I used objectValues['Image'] to make a array list of images. I have rename each image using AUTHENTICATED_pic.jpg and want to use an if statement to find the image with the same name in the array list. Can someone tell how?? Is there a findObject function or something?? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Zope 2.8 on hold
Hi, in agreement with Jim Fulton and Brian Lloyd we decided to put the Zope 2.8 release on hold for now. There are several open issues related to running Zope on Windows (building, startup problems). Since we need to have a stable source code release and a stable windows release in sync, the next beta 2 will appear as soon as the major issues are fixed. This is maybe a good point for advanced Windows programmer to help out *wink* Andreas pgpAckJoeklPm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.8 on hold
Andreas Jung wrote: in agreement with Jim Fulton and Brian Lloyd we decided to put the Zope 2.8 release on hold for now. There are several open issues related to running Zope on Windows (building, startup problems). Since we need to have a stable source code release and a stable windows release in sync, the next beta 2 will appear as soon as the major issues are fixed. This is maybe a good point for advanced Windows programmer to help out *wink* +1 Are there collector issues for the release blockers? A list of release blockers might help to find volunteers. I'd like to nominate http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1776 Cheers, Yuppie ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/lib/python/Testing/ZopeTestCase/testInterfaces.py Test interfaces with verifyClass in addition to verifyObject.
Stefan H. Holek wrote: Log message for revision 30296: Test interfaces with verifyClass in addition to verifyObject. [...] +self.failUnless(verifyClass(IProfiled, Profiled)) Does failUnless make any sense here? verifyClass() is either True or raises an Exception. Cheers, Yuppie ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.8 on hold
--On Samstag, 7. Mai 2005 10:15 Uhr +0200 yuppie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: in agreement with Jim Fulton and Brian Lloyd we decided to put the Zope 2.8 release on hold for now. There are several open issues related to running Zope on Windows (building, startup problems). Since we need to have a stable source code release and a stable windows release in sync, the next beta 2 will appear as soon as the major issues are fixed. This is maybe a good point for advanced Windows programmer to help out *wink* +1 Are there collector issues for the release blockers? A list of release blockers might help to find volunteers. I'd like to nominate http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1776 At least the following are important (besides the problem with the Winbuilder) http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1763 http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1728 http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1711 Fix what you can :-) I am mostly ignorant on Windows issues and don't have an environment for doing any tests are whatever...so it is basically up to the people with windows expertise to work on these issues...I am just trying to crack the whip :-) Andreas pgpACC19kKiMG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.8 on hold
--On Samstag, 7. Mai 2005 12:56 Uhr -0400 Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Andreas Jung] At least the following are important (besides the problem with the Winbuilder) What WinBuilders problem? I keep hearing there's a problem there, but don't know what it is -- and I had no problem using WinBuilders for Zope 2.8. I know only that Christian had problems (according to his posting some days ago). I can not comment and can not value these issues. But there seems to be something. Note that these two aren't about Zope 2.8, they're about Zope 2.7.6: http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1763 http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1711 Both appear to be due to that Zope 2.7.6 on Windows shipped with a wrong (too old) version of pywin32, and continued to repackage pywin32 in the old (certifiably insane 0.7 wink) flat way. Mark Hammond submitted patches to install a correct version of pywin32, and in a correct way. Those patches were incorporated into WinBuilders, so it's hard to understand how Zope 2.7.6 on Windows got built the way it did. Can only guess the installer was built using an out-of-date WinBuilders checkout, with an out-of-date pywin32, applied to an up-to-date Zope checkout. Christian should know...as I said...I have no idea about how this windows stuff works and what it does...so I depend on the competence of you windows guys :-) -aj pgpauGqIyDdN0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope 2.8 on hold
[Andreas Jung] At least the following are important (besides the problem with the Winbuilder) [Tim Peters] What WinBuilders problem? I keep hearing there's a problem there, but don't know what it is -- and I had no problem using WinBuilders for Zope 2.8. [Andreas] I know only that Christian had problems (according to his posting some days ago). I can not comment and can not value these issues. But there seems to be something. If you're talking about his posts to this list, those were all addressed some time ago, and all the problems in Zope 2.8's setup.py he was hitting have been repaired. If Christian still has problems, I haven't seen anything about them (neither on this list nor anywhere else). Note that these two aren't about Zope 2.8, they're about Zope 2.7.6: http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1763 http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1711 Both appear to be due to that Zope 2.7.6 on Windows shipped with a wrong (too old) version of pywin32, and continued to repackage pywin32 in the old (certifiably insane 0.7 wink) flat way. Mark Hammond submitted patches to install a correct version of pywin32, and in a correct way. Those patches were incorporated into WinBuilders, so it's hard to understand how Zope 2.7.6 on Windows got built the way it did. Can only guess the installer was built using an out-of-date WinBuilders checkout, with an out-of-date pywin32, applied to an up-to-date Zope checkout. Christian should know...as I said...I have no idea about how this windows stuff works and what it does...so I depend on the competence of you windows guys :-) It would help if Christian said something wink. I'm not sure the point of the above got across: the subject of this thread is Zope 2.8 on hold, but the two issues identified above are not Zope 2.8 issues. They're Zope 2.7.6 issues. Zope 2.8 shouldn't have any problem with those. Zope-2.7.6-final-win32.exe from zope.org has those problems; they're not holding up 2.8. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
